Discovery 4 Engine Rebuild Complete - Land Rover / S5-EP25

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  • Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
  • We completed our 2016 Land Rover Discovery 4 engine rebuild and took it on a first road trip.
    We are not liable for any harm you do to your car, your engine, your surroundings or yourself. Use the information given in this video at your own risk.
    Thanks for watching,
    Vera & Christian
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 476

  • @waterpowerspaniels
    @waterpowerspaniels 3 місяці тому +73

    You two inspired me to buy a Disco 4 with 170000 miles with no service history with a knocking noise low down in engine. What could possibly go wrong 😅

  • @AW-Services
    @AW-Services 3 місяці тому +25

    Another one saved and great job completed. Christian must be the only person desperately searching marketplaces for another broken Landrover to keep him busy

    • @derekgray1705
      @derekgray1705 3 місяці тому +2

      He will likely find many.😃

  • @justinsmith6296
    @justinsmith6296 3 місяці тому +46

    Ohhhh A coffee and LR Time, what a perfect way to start a Sunday 😊

  • @gordonbritton3215
    @gordonbritton3215 3 місяці тому +30

    Thanks guys for another humorous and informative Sunday morning tonic takes my mind off stupid politics! 😅

  • @doneB830
    @doneB830 3 місяці тому +14

    Vera is a brilliant project manager around a workshop job, l love your show, thanks guys.

  • @governmentnwankwo9906
    @governmentnwankwo9906 Місяць тому +2

    Christian is a real automobile expert, I real appreciate his skills when it comes to mechanical issues in cars.

  • @philipmoores5202
    @philipmoores5202 3 місяці тому +9

    Well done Vera & Christian, another brilliant job done.

  • @davidparfitt925
    @davidparfitt925 3 місяці тому +63

    Aaah..Land Rover, built in Britain, perfected in Germany...

  • @boatingsibbingandwandering3262
    @boatingsibbingandwandering3262 3 місяці тому +3

    You 2 are an inspiration to all Landy owners

  • @gottfriedmathis7356
    @gottfriedmathis7356 3 місяці тому +6

    I wish you many hours of intersting landscape driving tours.
    Congratulations for your great work!!!

  • @johnwoodhead4059
    @johnwoodhead4059 3 місяці тому +7

    Many Many hours precision labour that is a joy to watch and listen to. LR TIME== Love Laughter/Romance .The spanner work is not bad ether 🥰😃 HOPE for many more videos

  • @7mallorca
    @7mallorca 2 місяці тому

    My wife and I have watched 5 episodes, and we are in admiration of Christian's skill, and Vera's help and patience love the German wit

  • @FERRARIlegend1
    @FERRARIlegend1 Місяць тому +2

    Please keep making this content we in the Uk love how informative and brilliantly you make this content you know more about these cars than landrover it seems. most of tbe dealers plug in an obd reader and when tbey cant find a problem, they tell you the cars ok. They dont seem to understand this is part of the process of locating a fault and when there is a fault, they only want to replace part after part, hoping they'll find the solution. Presenting a bill of £10000000000000.00 😂😂 your content found my issue and helped resolve it thank you so much.

  • @martiniv8924
    @martiniv8924 3 місяці тому +5

    LR4 for all its faults, I would vote it as the best all round vehicle ever built to date (dynamically) it ticks all the boxes! 👌🏻😎

    • @Vera_and_Christian
      @Vera_and_Christian  3 місяці тому +5

      We absolutely agree😅👍🙋‍♀️

    • @jamesrebbechi5247
      @jamesrebbechi5247 3 місяці тому +5

      As do I here in Australia. 2010 2.7 tdv6 320k’s. Two compressors but nothing else. Regular servicing on time since new except for change to 5w 40 Magnatec every 5000km courtesy these 2 wonderfully comedic German People!

    • @hughmarcus1
      @hughmarcus1 3 місяці тому +1

      @@jamesrebbechi5247that & no frequent DPF regens that thin the oil.

  • @thindo
    @thindo 3 місяці тому +18

    There we go again... Christian at his best when he goes on an unhinged tirade... "If you think your Government is Stupid ours is One more Stupidier than Yours".... I still think there is a lot of Competition out there 😂😂😂

  • @kennymcallister2523
    @kennymcallister2523 3 місяці тому +6

    Yous are an inspiration to us all and always fun videos ❤it 😂 Yous Convinced Me After over 46 hot hatches I bought my first landy a 2012 lr4 hse sdv6 with 186,000 miles on it traded in my golf r32 ps asterix obelix I was brought up on their story’s 😜 ❤

  • @63apw
    @63apw 3 місяці тому +2

    The new disco 4 looks and sounds really nice, hope my 3 sitting on the drive don't get jealous , another job well done,great videos to watch,thanks again

  • @tonysmith3182
    @tonysmith3182 3 місяці тому +4

    Splendid, top Sunday morning entertainment, thanks again to you both.

  • @thomaskeane429
    @thomaskeane429 3 місяці тому +2

    Great Result I NEVER Doubted you VERA AND CHRISTIAN.
    You make it look so simple, I guess it's easy when you know discovery 4 inside out 😂

  • @sarnieken
    @sarnieken 3 місяці тому +1

    This video is making me really miss my black Discovery 4. :(

  • @-zerocool-
    @-zerocool- 3 місяці тому +1

    JLR added quite a few extras to the facelift that I dont have with my 2013 HSE. Love the content.

  • @frednetherlands887
    @frednetherlands887 3 місяці тому +9

    Gut gemacht. Schönen Sonntag 🎉❤

  • @treywilder8630
    @treywilder8630 3 місяці тому +2

    Congrats on the rebuild! What a gorgeous car. Vera is right, how can you not get excited when you see another LR - you know here in the states it is customary for new Defender drivers to wave to other Defender drivers on the road. Love that. Oh and I think our Govt. has your's beat for stupidity, hands down!

  • @garycavanagh7342
    @garycavanagh7342 9 днів тому

    You two are my new favorite thing to watch. Thanks very much

  • @chrisd924
    @chrisd924 3 місяці тому +1

    Many congratulations on the great job you've both done.
    Have a great Sunday and a better week ahead to you both.

  • @m_atrix
    @m_atrix 3 місяці тому

    Hi Vera and Christian,
    Congratulations on the excellent repair of this beautiful car, in my opinion many services can learn from you the accuracy and comprehensive approach to the issue. As always, it's great to watch you, all the best for you a both.

  • @tedted5767
    @tedted5767 Місяць тому

    Great channel. So much useful information/knowledge and love the chat between you two.

  • @williamhowie4121
    @williamhowie4121 3 місяці тому

    Another great video of returning a Disco 4 to tip top condition from a destroyed condition. Enjoy my Sunday mornings watching in awe at the different projects succesfully completed.

  • @hashemjamalzadeh9865
    @hashemjamalzadeh9865 Місяць тому

    It's such a joy watching you working on the engine.

  • @BentleyOnABudget-mp8jj
    @BentleyOnABudget-mp8jj 3 місяці тому

    You guys amaze me. I just started my own channel for owners of Bentley Continental GTs based on my limited experience fixing my own car and it takes me hours to create a simple five-minute video. I can only imagine what goes into making yours so good but certainly the chemistry you create together is so entertaining. Thank you for being such an inspiration ♥♥🥰

    • @Vera_and_Christian
      @Vera_and_Christian  3 місяці тому +1

      🙏🙏At least 10 to 15 hours of editing go into every single video, plus 2 hours for the thumbnail often. 👍👌🙋‍♀️

    • @BentleyOnABudget-mp8jj
      @BentleyOnABudget-mp8jj 3 місяці тому

      @@Vera_and_Christian It certainly shows guys, thank you for making such entertaining videos. I think I need a Vera! :)

  • @AndySnap
    @AndySnap 3 місяці тому

    Christian n' Vera, like Sarah n' Tuned, such fun to watch, and I love the precision and cleanliness of the work done on your cars 🙏👍

  • @jamiepower4626
    @jamiepower4626 3 місяці тому

    LR TIME produces my FAVOURITE content on the entire internet!!!

  • @simon-mouse8739
    @simon-mouse8739 3 місяці тому

    I usually watch this in bed in Scotland with a cup of tea. However, today I watched you guys at the side of the Seine in the Rouen valley. What a joy to watch this in the glorious sunshine 😎loved the video as always and especially the humour and the reference to the Asterix and the place that sends you mad😂. Well done on getting a clean TuV just a few bits left and you can sell the Queen 😮

  • @ege-hoj2918
    @ege-hoj2918 3 місяці тому

    What a great video series again, from a perforated engine block to a super nice running Disco 4! Super well done! Vera & Christian - thanks a lot for letting us participate.

  • @OracleFP
    @OracleFP 3 місяці тому +1

    The best way to spend a Sunday❤

  • @PaulC-2M0YZT
    @PaulC-2M0YZT 3 місяці тому +1

    Look forward to seeing these videos every week but it makes me lomng for the days of my Discovery 4

  • @stevezodiac575
    @stevezodiac575 3 місяці тому

    I really enjoy your videos! I'm so impressed by your practical and hugely capable approach to problem solving. And I have to say, Vera is an absolute delight! Together you are an exceptional team. And you Sir, are a very lucky man!! As I'm sure you know. Keep up the great work together!

  • @eddieMurphy11111
    @eddieMurphy11111 3 місяці тому +1

    I often wonder if LR mechanics follow you and think yes that's the problem and then fix the customers car I would not put it past them and you have made a very good job on that car you and Vera should be proud of your self's thanks for the very good video

    • @Vera_and_Christian
      @Vera_and_Christian  3 місяці тому

      They probably think: darn, they found and fixed it. Let’s hide that new issue better…. Christian

  • @lukakosir235
    @lukakosir235 3 місяці тому

    Beautiful! A perfect symphony of parts conducted and played out by the LR super couple yet again, congratulations.

  • @TimaGoncharov
    @TimaGoncharov 2 місяці тому

    I was blown away when you mentioned that auto start stop is good because bicyclists and pedestrians will smell less of the exhaust in the city. German people are way more considerate than us Americans. I only thought of it as saving gas/money.

  • @edwardgrimes8572
    @edwardgrimes8572 3 місяці тому

    You make it look so easy, Christian! And Vera as a great cheerleader...what a team! Now if only my LR3 project would cooperate........😅

  • @duplicitousdemocracy2246
    @duplicitousdemocracy2246 3 місяці тому

    Great to see your hard work, extensive skills and enthusiasm paying off in what became a very risky and expensive repair, while at the same time providing some fascinating content (even for those of us who have never even sat in a Land Rover). Fortune favours the brave! Congratulations and very well done!

  • @LeonardGomes1
    @LeonardGomes1 3 місяці тому

    This car looks running so nice, unbelievable job. Hope this new Disco brings lots of good moments to you!
    I'm looking now to approve my C3 in DETRAN inspection before a full engine rebuild and clutch replacement done by myself in my garage with a few and simple tools. It's a similar buricratic inspection TUV needed for burried cars, before a several fail. It's funny recognize some closing solutions in this TU3JP engine to the Lion 2.7 and 3.0 engine, like the oil filter and case (in this car it's was placed near by the oil pump), the tensioner of the accessories belt, pins on the head pulley for the timing, some impossible tools access to put and remove bolt... Almost a Land Rover (but not).

  • @clemclemett5312
    @clemclemett5312 3 місяці тому

    That 2-post lift is worth its weight in gold! Certainly LR's expectation for 'serious maintenance' is that the body can, and will, be separated from the chassis.

  • @martinturner8546
    @martinturner8546 3 місяці тому

    I enjoy your videos; thank you. I am on my 4th Land Rover at the moment. Started with an old Defender 110 from 1958. Then a P38 2.5 DSE, then a Sport 2.7TDI HSE and now a later Sport 3.0 STD Autobiography. I try and do what servicing and repairs I can, but wish I had better facilities; I'm envious of your hydraulic lift! Thank you for your inspiration - regard from England.

  • @HoodyR6
    @HoodyR6 3 місяці тому

    Stunning stuff you guys!
    Very very well executed too,
    & looking forward to the "final touches"......... 👌

  • @ianlowe9310
    @ianlowe9310 3 місяці тому

    U guys did it again. Always putting a smile on my face on Sunday evening getting me geared up towards Monday morning. 👏👍

  • @HairHelmet
    @HairHelmet 3 місяці тому

    Watching your rebuilds makes me thankful for my German swapped OneTen, the ONLY electronic device on my vehicle is the glow plug relay.

    • @Vera_and_Christian
      @Vera_and_Christian  3 місяці тому +1

      Lol. That must be a reliable vehicle 👍

    • @HairHelmet
      @HairHelmet 3 місяці тому

      @@Vera_and_Christian it takes a beating and smiles back!

  • @pfp200
    @pfp200 3 місяці тому

    Great job you two. Yes I enjoyed this series, thank you. Dave Greg

  • @davidpattison5860
    @davidpattison5860 3 місяці тому

    Hi guys
    Congratulations on getting your Land Rover up and running again , it will now be living its best life with you looking after it , I have had my Toyota hilux for 1.5 years and not yet put washer fluid in it yet , maybe the Toyota dealer added it when it went in for service , but living in Thailand my windscreen doesn’t really get that dirty and washing the car weekly keeps it really clean , love watching your videos and your banter between you ,
    Regards Davy 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇹🇭

  • @RickRolling-tc7vb
    @RickRolling-tc7vb 3 місяці тому

    Purrs like a kitten. Good job and very entertaining. I think maybe I have spent more time watching you repair land rovers than I have have maintaining mine!

  • @johnlegros1586
    @johnlegros1586 3 місяці тому

    so nice to see vera's car back on track, but this was a good way to teach what we call DIY for her!! have good miles with both !! wife an d LR IV

    • @Vera_and_Christian
      @Vera_and_Christian  3 місяці тому

      😅it‘s Christians Disco, I love my Disco 3 and would not trade him for a Disco 4. only did that last year so I had a car while my Disco was being restored.👌🙋‍♀️

  • @Ninoy2059
    @Ninoy2059 3 місяці тому

    Job well done. Vera, stop panicking, You got your Land Rover all good to go. Thanks to Christian. Love your Videos.

    • @Vera_and_Christian
      @Vera_and_Christian  3 місяці тому

      That is not my Disco, will only be driven by Christian.👌👍🙋‍♀️

  • @_marcus_does_
    @_marcus_does_ 3 місяці тому

    The 7 P's. Prior Preperation and Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performances! Well done guys ❤

  • @gwbaker
    @gwbaker 3 місяці тому

    Absolutely love Land Rovers. Have owned one Discovery and 6 Range Rovers. The LR4 (&3) are beautiful and timeless! We don't get Diesels in California. 😞

  • @Marklions
    @Marklions 3 місяці тому

    Enjoyed it immensely. Carry on the good sense of humour and excellent work.

  • @bluewater7211
    @bluewater7211 3 місяці тому

    You guys are the best.
    Appreciate your videos. The escape from my reality for a bit and can get a smile .
    Thanks guys.

  • @tekpic04
    @tekpic04 3 місяці тому

    Vera is a very precious diamond and Christian is the new Land Rover Messiah.👈

  • @MrRedfreds
    @MrRedfreds 3 місяці тому

    Brilliant well done, looking forward to Sunday.

  • @Mrtallguy76
    @Mrtallguy76 3 місяці тому

    Another fabulous video, it has been an interesting series. On to the next one 😂

  • @ccconlan2670
    @ccconlan2670 3 місяці тому

    Good afternoon.what a fantastic rebuild.to hear that engine start up and just hummmm.what a beautiful sound.this is the perfect rebuild to date.congradulations you should be very proud😊😊😊

  • @hubertthibaut
    @hubertthibaut 3 місяці тому

    Great job as usual 👍👍👍. So glad to see your new Disco on the road again.

  • @RayMacSween
    @RayMacSween 3 місяці тому

    Fabulous 👏👏👏 great to see this discovery 4 back on the road 👍☘️

  • @CPsGarage
    @CPsGarage 3 місяці тому

    Crazy the engine sounds louder than the F150 and my Range Rover Sport. Glad to see it everything came together well.

  • @scotiajinker8392
    @scotiajinker8392 3 місяці тому +4

    With all the sand that was in that car you should call the car Alexander, in Scotland Sandy is short for Alexander.

  • @Discovery_Dad
    @Discovery_Dad 3 місяці тому

    Fine job... again...!! 👍
    My concern with the D4 is the DPF location being far away from the turbo. This may limit how effective passive regenerations are and regular active ones are the enemy of your engine oil. I would look on the Queen and try to find the DPF there, and if it's where it should be, in the engine bay close to turbo exhausts, then I would keep the Queen unless you need something that is EU6 compliant.
    For your next project, try buying a Discovery Sport with a 2.0L Ingenium diesel with a rattling timing chain... A tear down and rebuild of that would be very interesting on wear etc.. Compression test the engine first though... if compression is bad the engine may not be repairable...

  • @rockcrusher4636
    @rockcrusher4636 2 місяці тому

    Excellent, congrats. Cheers.

  • @FreddieandMia
    @FreddieandMia 3 місяці тому

    Congratulations to you both❤ best team since Fred and Wilma!!!! Hope you have great fun in the most comfy 4x4 by far 👌

  • @jrnmller1551
    @jrnmller1551 3 місяці тому

    Owning 1 LR where I live would, make me a millionare, and you own 3?????? Exellent content, congrats on job well done!

    • @northpaw80
      @northpaw80 3 місяці тому

      Elect Jeremy Corbyn, then you'll have 10 LR's.

  • @bobevansIW
    @bobevansIW 3 місяці тому

    Great work you two! Sounds really smooth too 👍. btw, I also have a resident spider living somewhere in my D4, I think it came from Solihull 😉. Looking forward to next week.

  • @johnwillis9534
    @johnwillis9534 3 місяці тому

    The sun is shining in the UK I'm watching this, you got to get your priority's right.

  • @johnlydon533
    @johnlydon533 3 місяці тому

    Great video guys. Well done. Enjoyed watching. 👍🏼👍🏼

  • @wookiewookster1214
    @wookiewookster1214 3 місяці тому

    Excellent rebuild, thank you 🙏 the best of channels👍

  • @davidcoombe1811
    @davidcoombe1811 3 місяці тому +1

    a brilliant job well done

  • @richardmildon2020
    @richardmildon2020 3 місяці тому

    Well done you two great team work a job very very well done once again thank you

  • @adrianward362
    @adrianward362 3 місяці тому

    I love a story with a happy ending!

  • @raycollington4310
    @raycollington4310 3 місяці тому

    Great series here guys, thank you as ever.

  • @mikecooke1733
    @mikecooke1733 3 місяці тому +1

    I had a 2015 top of the range Disco 4 and a year ago ...sold it to a neighbour ....I can see it parked in his driveway....I now have an Audi Q5..........wish they still made the Disco 4 ....best one made yet....latest ones are not .........I do regret selling mine..........He enjoys waving at me when he goes pass.........

  • @LionTheHeart
    @LionTheHeart 3 місяці тому

    Great video!
    If ever you wanted a choice of Land Rovers ... there is a field in Wales somewhere and there are hundreds to choose from...it's on you tube!
    Cheers

  • @johnwillett4086
    @johnwillett4086 3 місяці тому

    A really interesting video - thanks - I really enjoyed it 👍😘 I did swap out my licence plate lights for the sealed LED ones as they are more reliable - I also swapped out the rear fog and reversing lights for LED the reversing ones are much brighter and are like little headlights when reversing so you can clearly see what's there. A couple of days ago I swapped out the indicator lights on the wing mirrors for the LED sweep ones - much nicer and more visible in daylight - all bought frpm Simon at PowerfulUK of course. 👍

  • @jamesjudd6577
    @jamesjudd6577 3 місяці тому

    Congratulations guys. Well done!

  • @steveenglish15
    @steveenglish15 3 місяці тому

    Steve in Ukraine, i was inspired to deal with the squealing parking brakes. When i borrowed a socket set & the 12 point socket, 90 year old torque wrench (yep 90 years old) and set about getting it done. i watched your LR 3 video for Veras EPB repair. Unfortunately, i wasnt able to carry out any repairs, the cable has corroded and stuck, split and the end is torn off. so the solution was to pull the brake pads & springs etc. and chuck them away. full repair, if the vehicle survies in Ukraine, will come later. this car a 2009 Disco 4 TDV6 goes like a dream and even after suffering Ukraine! so it will one day get some tlc...

    • @Vera_and_Christian
      @Vera_and_Christian  3 місяці тому

      The cables are replaceable aftermarket but painful to get out. Not expensive. I Hope there will be peace soon. Christian

  • @free2chasehappy
    @free2chasehappy 3 місяці тому

    Thank you for the Sunday upload!

  • @molsky13
    @molsky13 3 місяці тому

    nice fix guys

  • @2madre505
    @2madre505 3 місяці тому

    Vera making those shorts and jeans look 👀 good

  • @simonwoods3827
    @simonwoods3827 3 місяці тому

    Christian
    Just had a problem with a neighbours disco 4 tail gate actuator it turns out that the acctator is from a Ford fiesta mk 4 perhaps you could in form your followers as it might be a cheaper fix than buying the parts from land rover its self main dealer cost a lot more....
    Definitely a oh my god Vera moment when he could not open the top half of the tail gate😊😊😊😊
    Love the channel keep the content going it's great.

  • @Tubeguru89
    @Tubeguru89 Місяць тому

    I love these two ,

  • @cecilwilson5442
    @cecilwilson5442 3 місяці тому

    I used lanoguard ,,for my RR sport tdv8 and it is getting two new lower front wishbones 120000 miles,,love landrovers 30 year's,,off owning various models,,all poor mans 😁😁😁☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️ from northern Ireland

  • @davidG-kg5xz
    @davidG-kg5xz 3 місяці тому

    Well done to the both of you another excellent job ….

  • @Harry-zz8qn
    @Harry-zz8qn 3 місяці тому

    Fantastic LR TIME! What a great day out mountain biking 🚵‍♀️

  • @markymark802
    @markymark802 3 місяці тому

    You guys are the best i love your videos

  • @petermclaren7276
    @petermclaren7276 3 місяці тому

    I’d like to see more of your firewood store please

  • @Pesmog
    @Pesmog 3 місяці тому

    Vera, give your mountain bike brake discs a rub with isopropyl alcohol. That pretty much always cures the squealing. 👍

  • @jrgenfriborg3508
    @jrgenfriborg3508 3 місяці тому

    Congratulations. Very well done 👍

  • @BundyToo
    @BundyToo 3 місяці тому

    So enjoy these video's ..... and I still don't own a Land Rover.😃

  • @petercantremember253
    @petercantremember253 3 місяці тому

    All Desktop mechanics have to wait for the next Disco buy...Will they buy a Toyota?...What a debacle!!! Great job guys!

  • @ralphcooling7583
    @ralphcooling7583 3 місяці тому +1

    It was great to see you both get the LR4 back on the road , Vera will you have the LR4 and get rid of the 3 and Christian can keep the Queen? .
    Ralph in the UK

    • @Vera_and_Christian
      @Vera_and_Christian  3 місяці тому +2

      No😅our Disco 3 will never be sold.👍🙋‍♀️

  • @dodin78
    @dodin78 3 місяці тому

    Immer wieder schön zu sehen wenn es auch andere Menschen mit diesem Hobby gibt.😂
    Für euer nächstes Projekt: mit einem reservierten Kennzeichen und einer eVB Nummer sind alle Fahrten die der Zulassung dienen zulässig. U.A. auch die Fahrten zur Hauptuntersuchung.
    Daher könnt ihr euch die Kurzzeitkennzeichen sparen 😊

    • @Vera_and_Christian
      @Vera_and_Christian  3 місяці тому

      Da liegst Du aber komplett Falsch. Das war mal vor Jahren so. In unserem Zulassungsbezirk ist das Verboten. Christian

    • @dodin78
      @dodin78 3 місяці тому

      @@Vera_and_Christian Gemäß Par. 12 (4) FZV (Fassung vom 20.07.23) gilt das auch weiterhin.
      Ob es Zulassungsstellen gibt die Bundesrecht außer Kraft setzen können weiß ich natürlich nicht🤷

    • @Vera_and_Christian
      @Vera_and_Christian  3 місяці тому

      @@dodin78 Ja, die Regelung stammt von der Webseite der Zulassungsstelle und die haben es ja auch in den temporären Fahrzeugschein gedruckt. Meine Versicherung hat es auch bestätigt und der Tüv in Darmstadt auch. Christian

    • @dodin78
      @dodin78 3 місяці тому

      Deutsche Regelungswut 🙃

  • @nickb5391
    @nickb5391 3 місяці тому

    I like it, 'Wish, Wash Fluid' ☺

  • @doneB830
    @doneB830 3 місяці тому

    You have made a lovely car our of basically a scrap item, wow.