Personally I think dealing with and recycling waste is always great to see as well! The topics dont get shown or talked about on youtube all that much. Great video man!
Tip: levitate your thermocouple a bit above the bottom, and do not let it touch the sides - else you'll form local hotspots. Edit: hell yeah i wanna see the hydrazine waste disposal!
Great timing! I am just waiting on urea. I'm interested in making luminol as well (glowing stuff is always fun). That's a gorgeous product, btw, really nice prep. Also, I would love to see you deal with the waste! It's super interesting to see a toxic material be slowly converted into something manageable.
The probability of a suck-back or overflow is directly proportional to the danger it will cause. +1 to the previous comments asking for a clean up video. Being able to clean up the waste and any accidents properly is what people need to think about most before comtemplating use of hazardous materials.
I just discovered your chanel and she's very great. Thanks for the partage! But, when do you plan to make the video where you determine the purety of the hydrazine sulfate obtained?
The basic peroxide process is MEK, acetamide, a smaller amount of ammonium acetate with EDTA to stabilize the 30% peroxide and ammonia. You add the peroxide slowly allowing it to warm to about 50 C.
To liberate the hydrazine from the ketazine use diluted hydrochloric acid and distill off the butanone and water leaving hydrazine dihydrochloride and then use calcium hydroxide and heat until uniform then distill the hydrazine hydrate in the fume hood with your ground glass joints sealed with Teflon tape with argon flushed inside the unit.
To make hydrazine, there are several methods espoused online, bleach and ammonia which makes a small amount using a huge excess of ammonia, another uses a variation of Hoffman on urea using bleach and hydroxide which if you can get it to work is better molar ratios, but if you want higher yields and reproducibility, you make the ketazine directly with an oxidizer - one is peroxide, another is a catalyst combo with air.
Have you thought of making Hydrazine chloride by reacting calcium chloride salt? Plating copper to the glass I did that with Silver, sugar, and lye with Ammonia it forms explosives compounds. However, I would never mess with Hydrazine salts.
@Edward Elizabeth Hitler The N2H4 Chloride is very soluble in water (much more than the sulfate) so it’d be a nightmare to drop it out of the NaCl, NaCO3, and NaClO solution.
@Edward Elizabeth Hitler you're exactly right, I messed up the name. Is it him that did the hydrazine hydrochloride video? Whoever did it was making it for either reactivechem or DBX labs.
Nice! I'm going to be doing this synthesis soon, though I'm doing it to make a small amount of nickel hydrazine nitrate primarily, but I think I'm going to make a copper mirror for my mother in law as well.
That's real chemistry now! The good old [Bucket] Cutopencanister chem! Just the way I like it! Btw, I'm aming for The Ring (Tetrazole) now, do you know how to turn guanidine into aminoguanidine? I've followed a different root from Ex&F, I made guanidinium nitrate from ammonium nitrate and urea and I'm stuck there. Any ideas? Maybe I could make it from hydrazine and GN, but how to make N2H4 without any bleach and with shitty glassware? (Any project with bleach I did falied).
@@chemistry-experiments78 The most accessible way is likely direct animation of Guanidine nitrate with hydrazine to form AG, DAG, and TAG (those being Aminoguanidine, diaminoguanidine, and triaminoguanidine). In that case you’d have to tune the reaction to favor AG. Alternatively you can dehydrate Guanidine nitrate to nitro Guanidine and reduce via electrolysis or ZnCl2
Also you can do the hydrazine reaction in any PP or HDPE container as long as it stays below around 90C. Bleach concentrations around 10% are best but have lots of foaming
If you wanted hydrazine rather than its sulfate, could you have not isolated it by gently heating the mixture rather than adding sulfuric acid? I found out hydrazine forms a hydrate that boils at 120C in water so it should be possible to just gently evaporate the water, raising the N2H4 concentration, then you can just filter out the NaCl and Na2CO3 as it crashes out of the liquid. As you increase its purity it might be possible to use freezing to concentrate it further as it apparently freezes early, at about 2 C. What do you think?
too much water. for the hydrate you should much rather make the sulfate, react it in a different vessel with aqueous NaOH and boil that off. stay safe this is very dangerous so don´t try.
@@THYZOID Hey thanks for answering, very cool of you. I don't really have need for N2H4, I just wondered if that would work. Why does too much water create a problem? I've seen vids where people concentrate H2O2 from boiling off water, so I thought it would (eventually) work? As for combining with NaOH, that is a smart idea. I figure you'd get H2O (from the acid/base reaction) + Na2SO4 + N2H4. Pretty smart, since having the hydrazine sulfate is much easier to extract as you said.
no. keep the sulfuric acid step in mind. you would precipitate calcium sulfate alongside the product and besides that the reaction would be very unclean. you can use potassium hypochlorite if you don´t have sodium hypochlorite
How will you protect the copper mirror? From what I know it its not at all durable. I'm wanting to try this but not until I have a solution to this problem
I’ll first make the copper mirror and then I’ll rinse the test tube with acetone before drying it shortly. Then we are going to spray some clear lacquer into the test tube to protect the thin copper mirror from oxidation. I don’t know if this will work but it’s very likely that it will.
@@THYZOID I was thinking it will flake off upon touch, just from the UA-cam videos I've seen it doesn't bond like the tollens reagent silver mirror does. I imagine it would be quite difficult to pre coat the glass with something to help it bind and still have an optically smooth and clear finish. I'm on the last stage of making this hydrazine sulphate. Hope it works
@@THYZOID BTW I wish I had watched this before the nilered one. He gives little warning about massive overflow when adding the urea. Must have spilled 300 to 400ml of hydrazine solution in my kitchen/lab lastnight 🤦♂️
Personally I think dealing with and recycling waste is always great to see as well! The topics dont get shown or talked about on youtube all that much. Great video man!
Tip: levitate your thermocouple a bit above the bottom, and do not let it touch the sides - else you'll form local hotspots.
Edit: hell yeah i wanna see the hydrazine waste disposal!
Great timing! I am just waiting on urea. I'm interested in making luminol as well (glowing stuff is always fun).
That's a gorgeous product, btw, really nice prep.
Also, I would love to see you deal with the waste! It's super interesting to see a toxic material be slowly converted into something manageable.
Subscribed!
Please do a video on how to deal with all the toxic waste. Looking really forward to the copper mirror project.
Beautiful white crystal :)))
Good video
The probability of a suck-back or overflow is directly proportional to the danger it will cause.
+1 to the previous comments asking for a clean up video. Being able to clean up the waste and any accidents properly is what people need to think about most before comtemplating use of hazardous materials.
Excellent👌
Excuse me, is it possible to use 5.5% bleach?
I just discovered your chanel and she's very great. Thanks for the partage!
But, when do you plan to make the video where you determine the purety of the hydrazine sulfate obtained?
Would be interesting to see if agar also works, for making vegan hydrazine
It isn’t a chelating agent therefore agar wouldn’t work. EDTA works as a chelating agent though.
Thanks for the tutorial :) I'm doing this for my middle school science project
The basic peroxide process is MEK, acetamide, a smaller amount of ammonium acetate with EDTA to stabilize the 30% peroxide and ammonia. You add the peroxide slowly allowing it to warm to about 50 C.
To liberate the hydrazine from the ketazine use diluted hydrochloric acid and distill off the butanone and water leaving hydrazine dihydrochloride and then use calcium hydroxide and heat until uniform then distill the hydrazine hydrate in the fume hood with your ground glass joints sealed with Teflon tape with argon flushed inside the unit.
To make hydrazine, there are several methods espoused online, bleach and ammonia which makes a small amount using a huge excess of ammonia, another uses a variation of Hoffman on urea using bleach and hydroxide which if you can get it to work is better molar ratios, but if you want higher yields and reproducibility, you make the ketazine directly with an oxidizer - one is peroxide, another is a catalyst combo with air.
If you're curious, the carboxylic acid intermediate is called "carbazic acid".
Thanks!
Have you thought of making Hydrazine chloride by reacting calcium chloride salt? Plating copper to the glass I did that with Silver, sugar, and lye with Ammonia it forms explosives compounds. However, I would never mess with Hydrazine salts.
That’s a good idea
@Edward Elizabeth Hitler The N2H4 Chloride is very soluble in water (much more than the sulfate) so it’d be a nightmare to drop it out of the NaCl, NaCO3, and NaClO solution.
@Edward Elizabeth Hitler I think there's a video on UA-cam of the hydrochloride salt. Maybe it was the HgN3 channel?
@Edward Elizabeth Hitler you're exactly right, I messed up the name. Is it him that did the hydrazine hydrochloride video? Whoever did it was making it for either reactivechem or DBX labs.
I would like to see how you process hazardous waste
Nice! I'm going to be doing this synthesis soon, though I'm doing it to make a small amount of nickel hydrazine nitrate primarily, but I think I'm going to make a copper mirror for my mother in law as well.
Waste processing is always important for the responsible chemist please make a video if you haven't already
Pure gelatin? Where did you obtain it pure
Grocery store. You can get unflavored gelatin used in recipes.
Yes, I will be looking more carefully for it, in other stores as well. Thank you!
Exactly
No taste test?
Would you be interested to show how you would chelate zinc to produce zinc bisglycinate chelate?
many astroneer fans were probably looking for this.
Super! Thank you very much!
That's real chemistry now! The good old [Bucket] Cutopencanister chem! Just the way I like it!
Btw, I'm aming for The Ring (Tetrazole) now, do you know how to turn guanidine into aminoguanidine? I've followed a different root from Ex&F, I made guanidinium nitrate from ammonium nitrate and urea and I'm stuck there. Any ideas? Maybe I could make it from hydrazine and GN, but how to make N2H4 without any bleach and with shitty glassware? (Any project with bleach I did falied).
Unfortunately I don´t know but theres probably a paper on that somewhere
@@THYZOID I didn't find any, nobody makes it this way, everyone makes it from CaNCN and N2H4.
@@chemistry-experiments78 The most accessible way is likely direct animation of Guanidine nitrate with hydrazine to form AG, DAG, and TAG (those being Aminoguanidine, diaminoguanidine, and triaminoguanidine). In that case you’d have to tune the reaction to favor AG. Alternatively you can dehydrate Guanidine nitrate to nitro Guanidine and reduce via electrolysis or ZnCl2
Also you can do the hydrazine reaction in any PP or HDPE container as long as it stays below around 90C. Bleach concentrations around 10% are best but have lots of foaming
@@exigent7904 I don't know about the electrolysis process, but everyone I know that has done the zinc reduction has gotten absolutely abysmal yields.
I really want to make some NHN . . . but I am nervous fuckin with hydrazine.
WHAT CAN HYDRAZYNE GIVE WITHE SCL2 (di chlorure de soufre)
If you wanted hydrazine rather than its sulfate, could you have not isolated it by gently heating the mixture rather than adding sulfuric acid? I found out hydrazine forms a hydrate that boils at 120C in water so it should be possible to just gently evaporate the water, raising the N2H4 concentration, then you can just filter out the NaCl and Na2CO3 as it crashes out of the liquid. As you increase its purity it might be possible to use freezing to concentrate it further as it apparently freezes early, at about 2 C. What do you think?
too much water. for the hydrate you should much rather make the sulfate, react it in a different vessel with aqueous NaOH and boil that off. stay safe this is very dangerous so don´t try.
@@THYZOID Hey thanks for answering, very cool of you. I don't really have need for N2H4, I just wondered if that would work. Why does too much water create a problem? I've seen vids where people concentrate H2O2 from boiling off water, so I thought it would (eventually) work? As for combining with NaOH, that is a smart idea. I figure you'd get H2O (from the acid/base reaction) + Na2SO4 + N2H4. Pretty smart, since having the hydrazine sulfate is much easier to extract as you said.
@@LFTRnow because of the azeotrope you will loose a lot of hydrazine before hitting the target temperature
Can I substitute bleach for calcium hypochlorite?
no. keep the sulfuric acid step in mind. you would precipitate calcium sulfate alongside the product and besides that the reaction would be very unclean. you can use potassium hypochlorite if you don´t have sodium hypochlorite
Forbidden beer! XD
Could it be used calcium hydroxide instead of sodium hydroxide?
It’s less soluble so no
Aww dang bro why didn't you say it's dangerous sooner, I've already inhaled 50 grams of homemade hydrazine
can I be use sodium hydrogen sulfate (NaHSO4) instead. i don't have sulfur acide
That cannot be used…
Are you planning to make sodium azide?
Currently I’m not
❤ good luck
How will you protect the copper mirror? From what I know it its not at all durable.
I'm wanting to try this but not until I have a solution to this problem
I’ll first make the copper mirror and then I’ll rinse the test tube with acetone before drying it shortly. Then we are going to spray some clear lacquer into the test tube to protect the thin copper mirror from oxidation.
I don’t know if this will work but it’s very likely that it will.
@@THYZOID I was thinking it will flake off upon touch, just from the UA-cam videos I've seen it doesn't bond like the tollens reagent silver mirror does.
I imagine it would be quite difficult to pre coat the glass with something to help it bind and still have an optically smooth and clear finish.
I'm on the last stage of making this hydrazine sulphate. Hope it works
@@THYZOID BTW I wish I had watched this before the nilered one. He gives little warning about massive overflow when adding the urea. Must have spilled 300 to 400ml of hydrazine solution in my kitchen/lab lastnight 🤦♂️
@@SodiumInteresting I’ve had the same problem the fists two times we tried it. After that this huge container proofed to be the perfect choice.
@@THYZOID check it out, not the purest white but it still may be acceptable ua-cam.com/video/2faDclRjWA4/v-deo.html
I dont have the tools to test my bleach
Is it okay to use excess bleach ?
It would produce chlorine gas but it would work. Only do this if you know what you are doing.
@@THYZOID thank you so much
Nice! Have fun then
Just use a 200ml beaker
dein yield wäre höher hättest du EDTA anstatt Gelatine used als catalyst, hatte bei meiner ersten Synthese 85% yieldd
Hallo Pyrochems:)
@@chlorhendl4304 Lügenlord
@@nichaen-9902 Meddl Leude
Waste disposal, please!
Totally cool hahahahaha
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