Valve designs a system to reward every day players with value. Their intention is obviously to reward those who actually play the game instead of deep pocket investors. Botters and bug abusers reduce that value. And somehow you don't see the harm in that? Just imagine, if you unboxed a blue gem only to find out they were getting botted to death making yours useless, you'd be pretty upset. It's real money and value lost to your average player. AKA your average viewer
The community doesn't care or think about that either. Calling a vote kick for obvious dm bots and there's a 5050 chance nobody votes f1 or they vote f2
training a model to detect it with no false positives would require a ton of labeled training data and I assume the bot farmers would just modify however they are farming to get around it lmao. AI is by no means a good solution
@@me7474. AI would only detect, not eradicate. AI could be used to detect the largest and most prominent low hanging fruit farms and humans could later do a manual deep dive investigation.
And it's not like doesn't know about this. These bot farmers run rampid in ZA lobbies with pings of 200. Deathmatch is unplayable. Numerous people complained about this and logged tickets but nothing happens. Feedback received: send profile links which further investigations will be performed. Guess I'll spend the next 500 years copying links then
what do you mean high prices will hurt cs in the long run xD 1. most people came because of the 1000 dollar skin the dragonlore 2. the high prices have been in the "long run" since years already
Cheaper cases would be giving us a few extra active duty cases a year, bot farming is not the solution, are you insane? They RUIN the game when they join casual or deathmatch. Like, there might only be one server and they took it over. Dude, wtf.
that video is pretty much just a witch hunt and pending on steam is not about duping stickers it have been happening for a long time. Steam uses the fund pending period to allow for the completion of the transaction, including any potential disputes or issues that may arise. This period gives both the buyer and seller a window to resolve any problems with the transaction before the funds are finalized
I had a 6/7 year break from csgo, last month i played cs2 for the first time and couldnt believe how much the market had skyrocketed! i remembered opening a cobblestone package for like £10, now theyre thousands its mental!
when you repeatedly have to give the benefit of the doubt for MULTIPLE different things it changes from benefit of the doubt to outright ignorance of what is happening lol
10:40 - Yesterday I was kicked out from a Arms Race game and right before I got kicked, I thought the lobby seemed weird because there wasn't many people shooting so the game was silent and no one was writing on chat before they kicked me. Usually they would write something nasty before kicking me out. I think they were on my T base waiting for other people to respawn, but the respawned people wouldn't shoot back, so that's why it was so silent. Honestly now it makes sense this lobby was just full of bots and they kicked me out because I was winning super fast and that would give them less XP.
case price going up is good for everybody that invested , valve might drop a new game case soon to create more selection and supply. new players rarely buy expensive skins as they are young and broke, all the cs2 stuff is held by the rich so hold your cases.
L take. Just 'cus they're not scamming anyone except valve doesnt mean there isnt harm to the game for the rest of us. Wanna play Deathmatch? too bad, you'll get kicked by bots. Casual? kicked. get a case dropped and wanna sell it? well its only worth half as much cus bots are flooding the market. wanna flex your service medal? well some highroller who barely knows the game bought an account with a better medal than you, barely knows how to play and pretends to be skilled with private cheats. Speculators are cancer on what is supposed to be a fun game.
@@miklykCS2? Are you a child? If you said that about the f2p release in 2018 you would have been more objectively correct. Or said it about the Perfect World release in 2017. Or the Arms Deal update. Hell even CSGO's release and the introduction of MM would have more basis as the end for just playing the game for fun. Room temperature IQ ass comment.
@@HerbaceousM8 Yeah, those case farming studios follow a daily working routine, I think they could start from GMT+8 10:00 late into the night GMT +8 2:00 , cuz for some botting methods they use it's not fully automated and requires someone to control all bots from 1 PC
@@arielballejo3917he and other streamers purposely played on glitched deathmatch servers. Servers were manually set up by someone to run team on team deatmatch that is not normally possible in cs2. Team on team deathmatch generated more XPs for armory then any other modes and was inacessible normally so therefore it was illegal way of farming stars.. Got slapped
how dare you writing such an misleading title? this shit was done live on ohne his stream with the other guy idk his name, fam u watching the video of them and write a title like you did the research lol
Also had this thought a while ago. Sure, prices go down by stuff like botting and duping, etc. But this is more consumer friendly, as skin prices get cheaper. High skin prices for higher tier stuff basically just makes rich people who already own those richer. At the end people could just afford more skins again, but it would make them less rare of course. Just imagine valve posted a tweet saying karambits are 200 bucks from now on. I think the whole community would cheer, except the ones with insane quadruple 0 blue gem karambits.
i dont own a karambit and id hate for them to be a set $200. That sounds like some valo stuff lol. You sorta just described a totalitarian company who would manipulate/crash their own market for the sake of the poor. Did you watch this video? 4 million for 1 skin, at the very least. I'll keep opening cases and hope for a house to come rolling by. If the max win was $200 for a case, they'd be ruining everything they've built for a decade. Botting/duping is not consumer friendly. It might look like it. But think of a shady company using illegal ways to create their product off shore and sell back in America. Someone gets hurt, and as long as the people keep buying, they'll always be a problem. How does someone get hurt in the duping? Well, watch this video and the last from Flarey. How does someone get hurt from a bot farm? Try and q early in the morning where ever youre located for a casual match and see what happens.
Setting a price for anything doesn't fix anything. If anything they could easily purchase many of them and you still don't own one. But if you unbox one now, you're set and happy.
Listen, as someone who sold a katambit for 100 flat in 2014, I like where the values are at. what you are asking for is like hoping bitcoin becomes worthless, so you can own one. Much like how I should've bought property instead of being on the playground in 2008, you should've bought skins in 2013-2015.
Horrid take on the botting, in the long run the new cases will be the affordable collections and older will rise, this has been a thing since forever starting with the dlore. Getting into the game you can get the armory pass collection skins and the gallery case for very cheap, you don't need $4 gammas. Think of it like old battle passes in other titles. I've grinded over 1,000 stars legit in DM and have seen hundreds of bots while doing this, really demotivating to spend my time getting stars while knowing someone in China is just afk farming 100x what I can manually. From an economical standpoint this devalues the armory even more than it should be and therefore can cause some distrust in the market which is NEVER good long term. The botting situation needs to be stopped for a multitude of reasons.
@Camon-w9g not out of thin air. The capsules are still getting used. The supply is still going down. In 5 years no one will care about these “free” stickers. All the skins are still unique.
use vpn and conect ot dubai .play a deathmatch on hostage maps .all bots farming .and kick you if you join a team .discusting and it is like that all the time .looking at those buts ping all of them are from china ..
Thx for dumming it down for me bro ❤️ I tried to watch Onhe's video wich was just to long for my extremely short attention span and I gave up before the 5min mark...
That flarey video is actually a bunch of nothing. We knew about everything in the video. That guy just grasps for strings trying to become an ohne pixel. Brother u will never be ohne you cannot speak clearly and are not funny.
Steam puts the weight on sellers. Why do I have to wait 2-3 days for a sold skins money yet buyers can INSTANTLY go use the gun? Should also lock the skin for the same time, but they wont because EVERYONE would freak out then and they would have to change EVERYTHING themselves....
"We cant do 128tick, we have too many botfarms to run"
- VALVe
Just imagine, you start a game and bots kick you from the team 😂
and we aint even able to kick cheaters from our matches, this literally isn't our game anymore
I hate sticker dupers. Unless the duper was me.
this guy gets it xd
me
nothing wrong with dropping the prices of pixels in my opinion
logically
@@TheDirtymikenation That's probably what the federal reserve thinks about real USD lol.
Its legal to farm with 100 accounts manually to get weekly crates but once you start to automate it with botting then it becomes bad and bannable
Valve designs a system to reward every day players with value. Their intention is obviously to reward those who actually play the game instead of deep pocket investors. Botters and bug abusers reduce that value. And somehow you don't see the harm in that? Just imagine, if you unboxed a blue gem only to find out they were getting botted to death making yours useless, you'd be pretty upset. It's real money and value lost to your average player. AKA your average viewer
But clearly valve doesn't care enough to stop the Botting. Pretty sad tbh
The community doesn't care or think about that either. Calling a vote kick for obvious dm bots and there's a 5050 chance nobody votes f1 or they vote f2
@@PopsiccDesignsit's gonna be difficult to get rid of the bots. If cheaters are always out there then bots are too
they still get rewarded tho and a blue gem is profit nonetheless and will stay like that
Well said.
BOT farms should be absolutely trivial to detect using AI.
training a model to detect it with no false positives would require a ton of labeled training data and I assume the bot farmers would just modify however they are farming to get around it lmao. AI is by no means a good solution
@@me7474. AI would only detect, not eradicate. AI could be used to detect the largest and most prominent low hanging fruit farms and humans could later do a manual deep dive investigation.
And it's not like doesn't know about this. These bot farmers run rampid in ZA lobbies with pings of 200. Deathmatch is unplayable. Numerous people complained about this and logged tickets but nothing happens. Feedback received: send profile links which further investigations will be performed. Guess I'll spend the next 500 years copying links then
11:00 Calc is short for calculator, chat, I'm using slang.
thank you so much, i have wondered what it meant for years! I didnt know i was going to find it out in Arrows video. You are a saviour!
"what told on reddit is to promote the game, reporting via email is usless because we don't care about your opinions" - Valve Dandalf
what do you mean high prices will hurt cs in the long run xD
1. most people came because of the 1000 dollar skin the dragonlore
2. the high prices have been in the "long run" since years already
Cheaper cases would be giving us a few extra active duty cases a year, bot farming is not the solution, are you insane? They RUIN the game when they join casual or deathmatch. Like, there might only be one server and they took it over. Dude, wtf.
I wish no good for bot farmers, they are the literal pest of the game.
I hate when they farm with kicking people.
that video is pretty much just a witch hunt and pending on steam is not about duping stickers it have been happening for a long time. Steam uses the fund pending period to allow for the completion of the transaction, including any potential disputes or issues that may arise. This period gives both the buyer and seller a window to resolve any problems with the transaction before the funds are finalized
Because they redirected Farm Bots on armory that is may be why cases are going crazy XD lol
Say goodbye to your eyebrow… Valve has no imagination.
How do they get 80% sticker value with goofy placed stickers?
Indeed, I don't get that. For me the OG placements are worth way more.
@@Gurupimp10 because they sell to other collectors who don't care about the placement either. they wont even use those skins.
@ So why collect Trash then? If its worth Less, but somehow Worth more, so confusing, mindboggling.
Arrow : naw they cant be doing the armory
oops.
wow watching a youtube video and going over information already stated in that video. really going deeper, bro.
I like how we ignore the existence of Navaja & Gut Knife and skip straight to Shadow Daggers as cheapest knife to buy.
I had a 6/7 year break from csgo, last month i played cs2 for the first time and couldnt believe how much the market had skyrocketed! i remembered opening a cobblestone package for like £10, now theyre thousands its mental!
there are only 800ish deagles with 490 pattern. this might be an investment tbh.
New players constantly getting kicked from death matches from bot farmers is way worse than knife prices being so high.
when you repeatedly have to give the benefit of the doubt for MULTIPLE different things it changes from benefit of the doubt to outright ignorance of what is happening lol
No Ak but we have Five-seven, deagle, usps.... glock case hardened comes next 🙌
Valve doesn't care about the 10% from the market if it comes to cases xDD their business model is keys and now the armory pass
10:40 - Yesterday I was kicked out from a Arms Race game and right before I got kicked, I thought the lobby seemed weird because there wasn't many people shooting so the game was silent and no one was writing on chat before they kicked me. Usually they would write something nasty before kicking me out. I think they were on my T base waiting for other people to respawn, but the respawned people wouldn't shoot back, so that's why it was so silent. Honestly now it makes sense this lobby was just full of bots and they kicked me out because I was winning super fast and that would give them less XP.
they kick you so you dont have time to report
god W man. that last bit hit so hard
you are too deep in CUH, pull out CUH
Ooooouuguughhhh 🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤
case price going up is good for everybody that invested , valve might drop a new game case soon to create more selection and supply. new players rarely buy expensive skins as they are young and broke, all the cs2 stuff is held by the rich so hold your cases.
All of this would've been fine if there didn't exist BS like credit card refunding. Credit card TXs should be irreversable.
if you sell cases , you can have your money right away to use in the steam market .
bro needs to shave that stash not his eyebrow lmao XD
L take. Just 'cus they're not scamming anyone except valve doesnt mean there isnt harm to the game for the rest of us. Wanna play Deathmatch? too bad, you'll get kicked by bots. Casual? kicked. get a case dropped and wanna sell it? well its only worth half as much cus bots are flooding the market. wanna flex your service medal? well some highroller who barely knows the game bought an account with a better medal than you, barely knows how to play and pretends to be skilled with private cheats. Speculators are cancer on what is supposed to be a fun game.
this game stopped being one when cs2 came out. sell your skins while able
@@miklykCS2? Are you a child? If you said that about the f2p release in 2018 you would have been more objectively correct. Or said it about the Perfect World release in 2017. Or the Arms Deal update. Hell even CSGO's release and the introduction of MM would have more basis as the end for just playing the game for fun. Room temperature IQ ass comment.
Game? Its a slot machine with an fps mini game for your gambling downtime.
When few own the total supply, they will choose the price.
bot farming is ruining deathmatch and casuals, all aiming bots
what region you from> we tried getting into one of them on arrows stream but couldnt find one in NA
@@romaakaev NA bots are on when no one is playing, you gotta remember that China is in a different timezone
@@HerbaceousM8 Yeah, those case farming studios follow a daily working routine, I think they could start from GMT+8 10:00 late into the night GMT +8 2:00 , cuz for some botting methods they use it's not fully automated and requires someone to control all bots from 1 PC
@@romaakaev East Asia cuz most pass farmers here
How can I Start case farming
FTL soundtrack is goated
Flarey said he wuldnt make a 2nd video?? 😂😂😂😂
Love the FTL tunes, great game
why would valve unban you?
its just a joke
i also got a blue gem on my second pull in MW
Thats why the Caseprices will go higher, the bots dont do them anymore (the must Farms not all)🎉🎉🎉🎉
why do u have that trade lock for that long
He abused armory pass star glitch😂
@@sflx4 didnt he play on botted servers?
@@arielballejo3917he and other streamers purposely played on glitched deathmatch servers.
Servers were manually set up by someone to run team on team deatmatch that is not normally possible in cs2. Team on team deathmatch generated more XPs for armory then any other modes and was inacessible normally so therefore it was illegal way of farming stars.. Got slapped
thank you🙏
Please do not reject this man's application to art school.
how dare you writing such an misleading title? this shit was done live on ohne his stream with the other guy idk his name, fam u watching the video of them and write a title like you did the research lol
case profit is like 4eur now per pass xd
money in gaben !!!!
i got a teir 1 bluegem deagle battle scarred :,)
soon Valve comes with KYC ;) if you buy pass or trade ect ;)
even better paypal allows the refund ASAP and u just make a new paypal and steam acct
did i miss something why is he german and why is his suit huge
Also had this thought a while ago. Sure, prices go down by stuff like botting and duping, etc. But this is more consumer friendly, as skin prices get cheaper. High skin prices for higher tier stuff basically just makes rich people who already own those richer. At the end people could just afford more skins again, but it would make them less rare of course. Just imagine valve posted a tweet saying karambits are 200 bucks from now on. I think the whole community would cheer, except the ones with insane quadruple 0 blue gem karambits.
i dont own a karambit and id hate for them to be a set $200. That sounds like some valo stuff lol. You sorta just described a totalitarian company who would manipulate/crash their own market for the sake of the poor. Did you watch this video? 4 million for 1 skin, at the very least. I'll keep opening cases and hope for a house to come rolling by. If the max win was $200 for a case, they'd be ruining everything they've built for a decade. Botting/duping is not consumer friendly. It might look like it. But think of a shady company using illegal ways to create their product off shore and sell back in America. Someone gets hurt, and as long as the people keep buying, they'll always be a problem. How does someone get hurt in the duping? Well, watch this video and the last from Flarey. How does someone get hurt from a bot farm? Try and q early in the morning where ever youre located for a casual match and see what happens.
You fundamentally don't understand how economics functions and I'm assuming you're 15. Otherwise immediately start reading books.
Setting a price for anything doesn't fix anything. If anything they could easily purchase many of them and you still don't own one. But if you unbox one now, you're set and happy.
Listen, as someone who sold a katambit for 100 flat in 2014, I like where the values are at.
what you are asking for is like hoping bitcoin becomes worthless, so you can own one. Much like how I should've bought property instead of being on the playground in 2008, you should've bought skins in 2013-2015.
Horrid take on the botting, in the long run the new cases will be the affordable collections and older will rise, this has been a thing since forever starting with the dlore. Getting into the game you can get the armory pass collection skins and the gallery case for very cheap, you don't need $4 gammas. Think of it like old battle passes in other titles.
I've grinded over 1,000 stars legit in DM and have seen hundreds of bots while doing this, really demotivating to spend my time getting stars while knowing someone in China is just afk farming 100x what I can manually. From an economical standpoint this devalues the armory even more than it should be and therefore can cause some distrust in the market which is NEVER good long term. The botting situation needs to be stopped for a multitude of reasons.
Why would i even invest, if people dupping items ? 😂😂😂
They arnt. They are getting stickers for free from steam. There is no duplication going on. They are just saying that as a click bait title.
@Bozopack they crrate items for free? No matter if its duping or not. Getting itrms out of air. Or am i missunderstanding ?
@@Bozopack *Were. They WERE, and they had to apply them.
@Camon-w9g not out of thin air. The capsules are still getting used. The supply is still going down. In 5 years no one will care about these “free” stickers. All the skins are still unique.
@@shouygui4955 yes this stopped awhile ago
Im so sick of watching the same flarey videos on every single channel because nobody makes original content 😂
I think that guy should be ban for bot farming degals
bro needs to shave his mustache to look like a certain somebody it would be 10/10
0:08 seconds in had me thinking of Bobby Shmurda
Invasion of Poland 1939 Holy!
I like that green tea you are holding ;)
1 minute ago is crazy
use vpn and conect ot dubai .play a deathmatch on hostage maps .all bots farming .and kick you if you join a team .discusting and it is like that all the time .looking at those buts ping all of them are from china ..
im getting cases off the armory , because i think they will go up in value over the years like any other case.
them Deagles fixin to get banned lol
@valve PLEASE give us an ak heat treated 😭
karambit for 800??? WHERE????
lowest price karambit is 600$ cash
Probably the ones w good float/finish
Banning people for cheating? ❌❌❌
Banning for armory pass?✅✅✅
Thx for dumming it down for me bro ❤️ I tried to watch Onhe's video wich was just to long for my extremely short attention span and I gave up before the 5min mark...
ahahhahahaah cs2 the best game ever!!!!!!!
good morning
That flarey video is actually a bunch of nothing. We knew about everything in the video. That guy just grasps for strings trying to become an ohne pixel. Brother u will never be ohne you cannot speak clearly and are not funny.
Nice alt
i call it now, m4a4 Heat Treatend !!!!
Steam puts the weight on sellers. Why do I have to wait 2-3 days for a sold skins money yet buyers can INSTANTLY go use the gun? Should also lock the skin for the same time, but they wont because EVERYONE would freak out then and they would have to change EVERYTHING themselves....