Things You Forgot About Warriors Arc 1: The Prophecies Begin
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'what the fuck cloudkit' is the best line i've heard in my life
Agreed
leafpool brought it up somewhere in the second or third series after the move to the lake that the new apprentices are lucky they dont have to go visit the moonstone to become a warrior, then it completely forgotten
20 years later, and I still think Scourge and BloodClan were the absolute best villans in the series.
the fact that scourge took away every single one of tigerstar's lives is so hardcore it's so hard to top that moment
Darktail and the Kin do way more damage
@@Shadowfate93 true, however I personally find Scourge to be more iconic.
@@myamomxi dont think Tigerstar actually got his nine lives from StarClan
@@Cinderpelt_lover.honestly……I’ve never thought about that, but I think you right!
One thing I realized while rereading the first arc was how close the Queens’ relationships with Bluestar was. They were often by Bluestar’s side when she was ill and were some of the only cats to be invited into her den (which was described as a great honor in the first arc)
I always headcanon the reason why first arc feels different is bcs it's from Fireheart's pov, an outsider, who probabily didn't noticed family relations within the clan members, bcs tbh even in later arcs families wont interact with each to publicly, even if you know that Snowbush is his kits' father, he would not interact with them anyway
One thing i remember being taken aback by when i reread one of the 1st series books was how often cat noises were like. Phonetically transcribed in dialogue. Cats were just herr saying "Mrrow" in the middle of conversations
You are a medicine cat apprentice until your mentor dies even if you get your med name, it was said by Jayfeather in Power of Three
nvm should have litsend futher
6:25 Vicky mentioned that the reason for the first arc not taking into account the family structures or the kits parents and their relationships with them is because they never expect the series to take off as it did, which is why in the newer arcs, the kits parents are noted and their relationship with them.
The first arc is absolutely amazing. I still remember stumbling upon Into The Wild while trying to find a book for a school assignment. Still can't fathom that Warriors is 21 years old, thats older than probably over half the Fandom
On the topic of queens having multiple litters at once: Goldenflower had 2 litters! Bramblekit and Tawnykit were Tigerclaw's, but she also was the mother of Swiftpaw, whose father was Patchpelt! Patchpelt isn't ever mentioned explicitly as Swiftpaw's father in the arc, but it is said that Swiftpaw is *not* Tigerclaw's son. (Patchpelt was confirmed as his father later by the Erins, and it's mentioned on the wiki)
8:37 On this note about Frostfur’s kits, I am pretty sure they are from the same litter. They are Cinderkit, Brightkit, Thornkit, and Brackenkit, they were either born before Firepaw joined the clan or very soon after, I can’t remember. Cinderpaw and Brackenpaw are apprenticed before 6 moons because Bluestar wanted Fireheart and Greystripe to have apprentices.
Also a cat pregnancy is 2 months, and I can’t imagine not taking a break between litters, so It typically is just one litter per mother.
True! That’s also the reason Cinderpelt got into that accident, i’m pretty sure? She shouldn’t have been an apprentice yet.
Apprentices journeying to the Moonstone is mentioned in Power of Three, when the three go to the mountains to help the tribe cats. Leafpool says: "We seem to have left that tradition behind, but I think there's value in apprentices making a long journey, to see what lies beyond their territories."
Also the fact that leaders would usually mentor deputy kits so Bluestar meantoring fireheart was seen as taboo.
It's not really a taboo thing the elders just say that bluestar has only mentored deputies kits although this is not shown in the prequels
Bluestar explicitly mentions that she's apprenticing Cinderpaw and Brackenpaw early in Fire and Ice after Graystripe says none of Frostfur's kits are six moons. While it isn't impossible Frostfur had two litters close together it isn't really on-page either. Bluestar apprenticed Fernpaw and Ashpaw late so it is possible Brightpaw and Thornpaw were also apprenticed late, though this is also not on-page.
i misremembered that the apprentice ceremony for cinderpaw and brackenpaw was immediately after that interaction with bluestar, for some reason i thought there was time between that, so i am less sure that they could be seperate litters, thanks for pointing that out! i do think that the wording "two of" her kits are almost ready and "none of frostfur's kits" instead of just "frostfur's kits" being too young could be implicative of multiple litters, but obviously that's super nitpicky and could mean nothing haha. if they are the same litter, i do think it's interesting that they decided to apprentice cinderpaw and brackenpaw early but not brightpaw and thornpaw
I feel like a lot of this can be explained by the first arc not fleshing out the world and perhaps being just standalone. We didnt have a medicine cat POV so it was only when we did that they had to flesh that out. Fireheart wouldnt have been very aware of medicine cat culture being a warrior from outside the clan. Its only the second arc in which we go into full detail with the medicine cat ceremonies.
It wasnt until the second arc where they had to actually solidify the customs. And also the other clans being mysterious is because the POV is from an outsider who wouldnt know the other cats. They were also in a period of war amongst each other from the time sunstar was leader. Id love to see some more full series books based on the time between dawn of the clans and the first arc. with a completely new host of characters and picking on a new leader from between thunderstar and redstar.
As a person who constantly re-reads the books because she dosent have any money or way to obtain the newer books, I forgot some of this tbh.
For Cinderpelts naming, I always explained it in my had as a naming ceremony and medic ceremont being different? Where once a cat become 12 moons old, they get their full name - but medics continue their training otherwise. But this doesnt happen in other books even though it couldve been coold, I remember Featherwhisker being an apprentice with a full name too (under Goosefeather)
Sometimes the UA-cam algorithm just doesn't disappoint :))
Personally, I think a lot of the customs that were mentioned in the first arc probably still happen, they just happen in the background. The first arc, this world was completely new to us, we had no idea what was going on or why things were done the way that they were. The reasons were then introduced to us through specifically mentioning them. After things are already established, though, it would just end up being a broken record of repeating same ceremonies and customs over and over.
One example I have are the warrior vigils (I forget the exact name or if that’s it, but after they’re promoted from apprentice to warrior, the silent watch they keep over night). We see this happen in the first arc, but to my knowledge we don’t see it happen very often after then. I do believe however that in one of the later arcs, someone mentions having to keep their vigil later that night. So it never stopped happening, but only so much can be done with that before it becomes a boring plot point to go through, if it can even be called that. At least, that’s my take on it!
I do agree that the moonstone visits did actually stop, at the very least they definitely stopped once they moved territories and had the moonpool instead. I wish that had been kept, I think that is a super interesting thing that they did and makes sense for the culture they have of holding Starclan as an authority.
this is fair! some of them do only happen in really specific circumstances (deputy before moonhigh thing) so it makes sense we don't hear about those as often
The Journey to the Moonpool does pop up in a few books - Bluestar, Crookedstar, Tallstar and Yellowfang's super editions all show the respective cat's journeys. And Crowpaw mentions making the journey with his mentor in Midnight and in the same book Squirrelpaw is mentioned to be freightened of far territories because she hadn't made it yet.
In "Crookedstars promise" the travel to the Moonstone is also present and if I remember correctly quite important. But yes, it fades quite soon and mostlly is forgotten
I'm saying lore wise maybe it changed because they moved territories and left the moonstone and decided not to keep the same customs with the moonpool for some reason I can't say for the prequel books though as crookedstar's is only one I read
They do this in Tallstars Revenge too
Fireheart only trained 2 and a half moons at best. Making him roughly 8 and a half or nine moons old when he became a warrior
I always thought that he was around 7 or 8 moons when he joined thunderclan 😅
Idk if someone mentioned it before but the trip to the moonpool is mentioned few times in The power of three, especially in Outcast because they take the trip to the mountains as something like a trip to the moonpool, and I think it's sometimes mentioned just like the senior warriors talking about the trip to the moonpool and stuff. I don't know if it is also in other arcs in my language, the books that are translated is only Power of three
I think Frostfur had one litter of four but just didn't thought that Brightkit and Thornkit weren't ready enough. But i could be totaly wrong becouse the books gave us two different age gaps between the four siblings.
1. When they were taken by Clawface, all of them are the same age (visualy stated in Exile from Shadowclan comic)
2. In the little comic at the end of Yellowfang's secret super edition. We can see that Cinderpaw is prepairing for her medicine cat ceremony and two of her mentioned siblings are still kits
I personaly think all of them are the same age but yeah it's pretty confusing
Yeah I think so too! I think another thing in the first arc is that there are no definitive times set on like, when someone becomes an apprentice and then a warrior. (I.e. Sandstorm and Dustpelt becoming warriors later than Greystripe and Fireheart, as well as Brightpaw and Swiftpaw being “held back” by Bluestar in a way)
So it could easily be “ok these two are ready for apprenticeship (as in, they’re a bit more mature and developed compared to the other two, they’re mentally and physically ready for it), the other two not quite yet” instead of every kit without fail being apprenticed at 6 moons. 6 moons is a MINIMUM age someone has to be before being apprenticed, not a requirement of when someone starts. (And also, there’s a big difference between “just turned 6 moons” and “6 moons, about to turn 7 moons” in terms of development)
With frostfur's kits I'm not sure if there is two separate litters. At least my interpretation was that Cinderpelt, Brackenfur, Brightheart, and Thornclaw were part of the same litter, and I think there was a lack of apprentices at the time, leading them to apprentice Cinderpaw and Brackenpaw a little early. And while I know the wiki isn't always a credible source, it also suggests that they are all one litter. The main text evidence I have is that it is said that frostfur's kits are stolen at one point by clawface and in the manga version of this scene, they are all relatively the same size. Considering that cat gestation is around 65 days , or two moons, I would think that they would have a large size difference to be two separate litters. However, I am also intrigued by your interpretation of this, as I think it would be interesting for there to be two litters by the same queen in the nursery.
yeah this was one of those things where it was mainly an assumption, but i think them being separate litters makes more sense. before brightpaw and thornpaw's apprentice ceremony it's mentioned that cinderpaw and brackenpaw were made apprentices a few moons before, which would mean (if they were all the same litter) cinder + bracken were apprenticed at least 2 moons early, which personally i think is unlikely considering how horrible thunderclan thought it was that brokenstar was making kits apprentices really early. i think a few moons age difference is entirely possible, but it's also purely speculation so there's a chance i'm way off haha :)
What always confused me about Cinderpaw and Brackenpaw was that they were canonically apprenticed early--considerably so. Bluestar defended it by saying that ThunderClan had few warriors/warriors-in-training, but it always stuck out to me because this was *right* after they helped ShadowClan get rid of Brokenstar, who was notorious for the same thing.
They never say who father of Cinder, Bracken, Thorn, and Bright are, but the wiki says they're all Lionheart's kits? And that's the implication I got from the text too, at least, since all four of the cats are always referred to as siblings, and half-siblings almost never get that attention (Swiftpaw and Bramblekit are never mentioned as brothers, for example)
This will be such an awesome series!!
You read it ~ she definitely mentions the time she went to the moon stone after yellow fang is gone. She has a naming ceremony in star clan essentially
My mind completely blocked out the Cinderpelt thing, I had no idea she had a naming ceremony twice
Am I the only one who remembers that the only reason Rusty joined the clan was because he didnt want to get spayed??
Same!
Bro I hardly remember anything from warriors, it’s like a fever dream. I’ve spent too much time watching and participating in MAPs lol
I actually think Cinderkit, Brackenkit, Thornkit and Brightkit were of the same litter in TPB! Bluestar admits Cinderkit and Brackenkit aren't old enough to begin training but are "otherwise ready". It makes me think Thornkit and Brightkit were late bloomers or something lol
For the kits allowed out of camp stuff, it is true.
In Bluestar’s Prophecy Sunfall bring Bluekit out of camp to take a look at the territory. Yes, she was already six moons (she gets her ceremony when she comes back from her trip), but still a kit. Perhaps kits specifically six moons can go out of camp? Nah, that’s odd.
Not allowing kits out of camp could be something they started doing after reaching the lake territories, and were still unsure of what dangers there could be? It could have just sticked to them like that.
Anyways, i feel like most of these errors/misunderstandings/changes are because the books are written by a team of people and not just 1, they could’ve had different ideas or just forgot/were not informed about certain things.
Ok real talk this video was really good, i love your humor and style, 10/10 good shit
I can't belive I missed the Cinderpelt part as I thought I'd notice that, that is very intresting.
Loved this video!! You have such a calming presence. I really enjoy when people compare the older arcs to the newer arcs. There's sooo many differences that I feel aren't talked about enough. Thanks for making this :D
Uh oh.
You got me back into Warriors.
Loved this one! The first arc brings a lot of pleasant feelings and also frustration at times
9:30 funfact in the spanish translation her name doesn’t change she is called the same as an aprentice and medicine cat
Arc 1 just hits different compared to the rest of the series
It'd be lovely if you made more of these videos!! You're such a rare find :)
10:25 I have a little head cannon where CinderPelt was called that even though still being an apprentice was because of some strange forgotten and unmentioned rule that arc 1 forgot was a medicine cat apprentice could be named but they wernt like a full medicine cat untill the medicine cat retiered or died
The medicine cat apprentice thing is normal! Cats apprenticed to full medicine cats stay their apprentice til they die, even with a full name, Leafpool and Jayfeather as example, Jay is now a full medicine cat and Alderheart is still an apprentice:)
please make more of these! This was wonderful and i love your voice!
EXACTLY THE SAME FOR ME I’m 21 now and I started at 11. I literally cannot break free from wc and I’ll probably never stop going back. I’m planning on rereading arc one too
This was a lot of fun! I hope you make more Warriors content in the future!
This is such a good video, I love the info and the nostalgia, plus the cats playing in the back Omg 🥺
8:58 while this could imply that, I also think it could imply that sometimes kits form the same litter become apprenticed at different times if their mother doesn’t think they’re ready. However that would also imply that kits are being prepared and such while still in the nursery so 🤷 🤷♀️ 🤷♂️
This was a really great video! Having to hold myself back from infodumping in everything discussed in the video 😂
was it ever mentioned that tigerclaw's least favorite prey is squirrel because he doesn't like their fur? i've had this tidbit in my head ever since i first started reading warriors (~2013) and i literally can find no mention of it anywhere
I grew up with warrior cats. Yellowfangs secret was my favorite one
I also noticed that moonstone thing! I'm currently re-reading the books and aside from a few mentions of the moonstone trip existing, the last one in midnight just when brambleclaw and others were leaving I think, no one ever goes there:D? Did they just forget a clan custom?
When you start thinking about the Hunters writing these it starts to seem like that saying about cooks and kitchens:D
3:54 I just finished reading Tallstar's Revenge, and when Tallpaw gets apprenticed he goes to the moonstone. But besides that I don't remember it ever happening other than that one time in the first arc.
Ive been meaning to reread the first arc. its just sitting there on my shelf. (I have all the books organized in chronological order.. nerdiest thing ever i know)
The moonpool thing got brought up again very recently (I think in Wind?) but it's always bothered me too
Also I never knew that about Cinderpelt!?
oooo i haven’t gotten that far yet and i know it’s wild the kinds of stuff that weren’t caught in the first series LOL
the newer series will never be as good as the first arc it hits different 😩
Inr! The cinderpelt thing got me so confused!
crazy to see so many warrior cats kids’ recent resurgence. like what gives? why did i one day (last year) decide to read the entire series??? probably some grand cosmic alignment
Fun fact: Ashfur was in Arc 1 too, no, no, not the one in Thunderclan. The Shadowclan elder.
i love this video sm :3
thank you i appreciate that so much :D
@@myamomx np!
Wild to see a real life person talking about warrior cats and not a lil cartoon cat drawing. My brain is struggling to process the fact that real people read these books (as if i am not a real person).
But for real, so much happens in the first arc it's ts crazy. I do like the newer arcs but there's quite a bit of their unique culture that got lost throughout the series and i wish they had kept.
Yay WC content. Norm I’m just watching MAPs and stuff but I rarely see non-art related vids on it.
I’m pretty sure cinderpelt is only considered a “medicine cat apprentice” because yellowfang is alive? I could be completely wrong but i’m pretty sure in later arcs medicine cats are still considered “apprentices” (even though they are full medicine cats) if their mentor is still alive ? But i cant for the life of me remember where this was said/implied or if i’m making it up so take this with a grain of salt!!
I think you're right in that second medicine cats are considered apprentices to their mentors but I can't remember that for sure either haha, when I said she's still considered a medicine cat apprentice I meant she hadn't become a full medicine cat yet, which normally apprentices become full medicine cats while their mentor is still alive :)
This is correct. I had to do some digging on where this came from because I couldn't remember and it's on a few books like Bluestars prophecy, it's also mentioned in main series books but I couldn't find which ones but I believe it's mentioned during leafpaws apprenticeship
I'm still reading and rereading them and I'm 30...it goes to show how a series can stick with you for a VERY long time. xD
8:14 I believe Whitestorm was mentioned as a father too? I can't remember with who though unfortunately
i’m pretty sure you’re right lol
Yes, and the mother was Willowpelt, and the kits were Sootfur, Rainwhisker, and Sorreltail.
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8:42 No…you’ve made a mistake here I think. I believe Cinderkit/pelt and Brackenkit/fur were the same age as Brightkit/heart and Thornkit/claw but were made apprentices earlier
@@StarseekertheNightwing13 to me it makes more sense if they were different ages because there was 2 or more moons difference between when cinder and bracken were apprenticed and when bright and thorn were apprenticed, which i feel it’s unlikely cinder and bracken would be apprenticed that much earlier if they were all one litter because the situation where brokenstar was apprenticing kits early was pretty recent & everyone thought it was horrible, but i could be wrong as it’s just speculation, it’s not explicitly explained either way :)
@@myamomx Yeah it’s not explained, but I think Kate Cary said something about…but I could be wrong that’s just what I thought
I think in Tallstar's Revenge one of the apprentices went to the Moonstone? I might be COMPLETELY wrong because I havent read the book in quite a bit, but im thinking Barkpaw and whoever his sibling was went to the Moonstone for some reason (idk if it is their apprentice thing or a different reason
3:59 Besides med apps I think
This was a fun video
Has anyone noticed the cats in the backround?
I loved the forest era of warriors, i dont like the lake. The territories r awkward, the lakes size is questionable, wind clan became the new shadow clan and the maps r so weird it looks like they have very little room for hunting. There r like over 30 cats in thunder clan so it doesn't feel like they have enough to go around on a good day let alone in leafbare. I do wish they kept the idea of the apprentices going to the moonstone. Or in this case the moon pool. It would be an important part of their culture for each of them to know where to see starclan.
Ive been recently revising the first arc as well, and I noticed that the terminology has also changed. The first arc uses queen to mean any she-cat rather than a pregnant one, like later on. Silverpelt is no longer a term that the cats use.
This video is awesomee!!!!! 💚💚💚💚💚💚💚
thank you :D
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@@penumbra__ glad to have you
yes more yes more
13:27 It was a lot more realistic
These books are so disturbing as they went on. Like sexism, ableism, weird relationships and so much more.
Before starting this video, I actually uhm did nott forget as I still am in the warriors community, thank you, I came from a Moonkitti video.(im being a smart allek)