EU4 An Opening Strategy as Timurids - Surviving the 1444 Start Date
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Here's an opening strategy for playing as Timurids in 1.25 Rule Britannia Europa Universalis 4!
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"You dont have to take the extra 150 military points from the estates"
WHO ARE YOU
masonery123 I think you mean incorrectly.
Low Voltage Ace we all know the real arumba can't pronounce non English place names
Nathan Holstrom which is better, real arumba or this guy
God I'm glad they fixed estates. So tedious
Ah yes, "kicking the can down the street." Famous idiom from days long gone.
Excuse me, with wich Dlc you can do this Lenient Taxation?:D
Cradle of Civilization I think
Archduke Franz Ferdinand Thank you!
@@floriansur6277 no problem
Steps unclear, became emperor of HRE.
I legitimately laughed.
Instructions unclear dick stuck in the keyboard
@@Flueeeee *Laughs in 100 legitimacy*
Plus 4x10e aggressive expansion
Not titling it "Averting the Timplosion"? Oh well, strategery over catchy titles I suppose.
It looks like arumba enjoyed playing timurids too much in the other campaign
I just tried it in Dharma, and utilising part of your strategy it can even be easier. Considering your vassals outnumber the first war, just detach a group of 2 units and give it your general. Then use the neat little button that allows them to stack on that army.
Subsequently start beating the enemies in the war, and dont care about attrition or fights that might give you alot of losses, since it is your vassals menpower anyways.
Now when you have can demand 100% warscore, just grab as much cores as you can + Humiliate Ajam.
Think i peaced out within 4-5 years or so, and all my vassals had 24% liberty desire at best even though my original ruler died.
The extra territory that instantly cores + the massive attrition + 200 relationships you have is more than enough to last you to 1454.
Hell i even had time to get my relationships with the ottomans and instantly get an alliance after the war, sure you bleed some diplo points, but its only icing on the very juicy cake.
good to hear it worked :) And gz on beating it
It took me 7 tries to get Shah Rukh to live past 9 months and then on try 8 he manages to live for 6 1/2 years. RNGebus has a weird sense of humor.
I don't know how but the first time i played Timurids in the new update Shah Rukh died after like 4 months but i still managed to fuck everyone
In my first game he got 84 years old
i started the war started really well and RGN went nein
Correction, leader being assigned to an army increases death chances aswell. Just less than them participating in siege/battle. So no, try to avoid having your ruler/heir assigned to an army unless you really have to or want them dead.
COINCIDENCE? I THINK NOT!
Love the video Arumba. Timurids have a cool start now, and can be a very fun coutnry to play. Fully agree on Lenient Taxation, it's basically a must as the Timurids in the start. The point at which the initial ruler dies is very significant in determining how smooth or how rocky the Timurid start goes. The first few times I did Timurid after they were changed out from being a horde he lived for long enough to make it a breeze, but the most recent time he died just months after declaring war on Ajam and thus all my subjects had not lost troops in the war yet and I was forced to develop in them to keep them loyal enough to the 10 minute mark. It hurt, but since you are developing your own cores you do get that development without paying annexation cost for it too.
timmy was gonna be my next campaign so this will help ALOT thanks man :D
Roses wait until the next patch. They're redoing the whole India area, and as Timurids that's the direction you want to expand to form Mughals.
im aware of that :D thanks anyway
I usually just develop my cores in their lands. At least in Transoxiana, which I then integrate first.
Little tip, if you time it right you can integrate them all at the same time, so you don't have to deal with constant -3 dip rep.
you prolly know this tho.
Considering you have 5 subjects and 3 diplomats I find this highly improbable.
you dont even have to time it, just send them all at the same time
Afghanistan and Sistan aren't entirely your cores though. Best to get Khorasan, Transoxiana, and Fars all at the same time then worry about the Pakistanis.
What a tease! I wanted to see them all become one big red blob! I demand the blobing! 😭
This ONLY works, if you have DLC that gives that Lenient Taxation at the beginning... I tried 10 times in a row, it's just not possible without it
Since I'm a fucking idiot, I tried for an other 30 times, and even if you are realasing Sistan at the very beginning, it's not possible to make it. Like i was not even close. Without the Lenient Taxation modifier, this is just a diceroll of when the Shah dies
If you dont have the DLC the best strategy is to declare war on Transoxiana and annex the majority of their land, after this the remaining vassals should be loyal
You have cores on all of Ajam
4:15 what if you dont have that dlc
Played a MP game as Timurid's in Rule Britannia, and my ruler died after a month. And I immediately asked for a re-host ^^
this is why you never play timmy in multiplayer, because you somehow have the most luck dependent start of all nations
Well second time I tried, my ruler died in year or two. Just having royal marriages with every one stops AI from declaring independence war. But I never tested that after the game. Even if some one brakes free, you still have cores on them.
Mine Shah Rukh died right after the pop-up telling the player about the 50% LD reduction of Shah Rukh. Lol what a useless message by then.
24:58 you just described taxes.
Followed your guide, had to restart a few time (due to shah Rukh dying early). I am now eating India as the Mughal empire.
Personally I wait with annexing Transoxiana until I give his norhtern cores back (after annexing the other four). This way you'll get less rebels and save admin points.
I don't even have this game, why do I keep watching these?
Is it still possible to form Persia as Timurids?
I'm only comfortable doing this because I hear you ask Paradox all the time to add shit, but I know an awesome way to improve this series. After the set up, play it out for like an hour and edit it to show the results. Or at least do like a time-skip where we see you actually integrate everyone. Hey, if you get to ask Paradox to do more work, than I should be able to ask you as well :P
eh, we pay paradox, we watch arumba's content free of charge.
That's fair, though I do use Red. Still, you totally right. I was certainly reaching, trying to find a justification for shitty behavior out of guilt. Who doesn't want to feel justified when they yell at their tv? XD
I'm wondering about the focus setting for your subjects. I've found that Siege rarely works, as they don't besiege/occupy provinces, but Aggressive does just that instead, but they never "seek out" combat, as per the tooltip. Are these settings bugged, or are there some hidden factors that I'm missing? Basically, if I want my subjects to occupy territory and besiege fortresses, I have to set them to Aggressive. If I set them to Siege, they don't seem to do anything in particular (similar to No Focus). Is it just me?
It looks like Timurid start is far easier than I thought. I didn't even think about the Iqta options.
So the only real problem is getting lucky and ruler lasting long enough.
This relies too heavily on Shah Rukh not dying in the first 2-3 years which is too unreliable. 90% of the time he dies within the first year and there is no way you'll get your vassals in check in such a short amount of time.
Heh, before the modifier on him got added I got the Why Won't you die achievement with him, he lived to 90, and was a 0,0,1 or something equally bad.
I started to fall asleep and imaged you baking as you played
Arumba, you should have done this on the Dharma pack. I'm waiting it to play as the Timmy, and the pack may change some things and your start guide may become a little bit outdated.
It can be adapted to it tho. But this will surely help me in my next Ironman. So, thanks.
Maybe you should make some short, full-ish campaigns of the countries you most enjoyed from Schizoprenic Sovereignty on Twitch. I would really like it at liste!
It's the thing where you don't get the trade power from a subject unless you have a merchant in their node again.
An efficient way to control your vassals armys is to put them on support and make some 1k units with the support button activated.
I'm new to this game
>Plays Austria
>Take fuck ton of Venice right off
>Saltzburg annexed
>fucking allies declare war
>Lose my army
>Hungary becomes junior partner
>Fuck ton of rebels forgot about stability
>Army Is DESTROYED
> Gets ready to annex rest of Venice ottomans killed the rest of their army.
This is me so far 0__0
I'd love to see a follow up video of when you are able to integrate, and how well that turns out.
Or, you know, you could just ally the Ottomans and Dehli and a few others around you. The only vassal that would be rebellious after your guy dies would be transoxiania, in 1954 you can insta diplo annex Fars and Sistan which will drop the transoxiania below 50. Btw, the mamluks can't support your subjects independence because they can't reach them. And if you ally the ottomans no one around you that could reach your subjects would dare support them against your alliance.
Why transoxiana with liberty desire under 50% has supported independence by uzbek before 11 Dec in some games? What to do then?
Current Timmy even if bit random at times is much easier than old Red Blob which was a damn horde on area with shit-ton of mountains so your army bonuses were meager at best, 50% religious unity and Persians ready to break free at alarming rate.
So What if I only bought the Art of war DLC because I have 90h in EU4
Gintare Kuku get common sense as well, it's rather important
Destrik sorry am broke my is 15 jahre alt
Just take as much from Ajam in the beginning?
I am posting short follow up video soon; I did end up peacing out for 100% returned cores, but I waited until I was confident I could buy down loans the subjects had. Check the next video for more info!
everything went well and then my ruler kicked the bucket mid war causing everyone to go home
I had the worst luck. Shah Rukh died the first day of my campaign
Ideas group for multiplayer game? With 21 players.
He lived for 3 full years in my game lul
Transoxiana? Oh, you mean Transxpfklsmfls
Timurids seemed really easy when I played. So, I'm very interested to see Arumba's optimal play.
what is scutage? what dlc is that from? ive never seen it
Well, I did try to play Timurids some days ago, I confess, I'm not as machiavellous that you are XD
I mean, I just tried to placate and build relations with my subjects, I commited into war, and finally I just release Transoxia to have peace. But it was actually a good start, not as good as this one seems to go, but it's fine ^^
The only problem is that letting a subject free cancal all your cores :x
I don´t get Guides where everything went perfect. This WOULD be a guide when the fucker died within months but he didnt die the whole fuckign video.
just restart if they die that early
Just attack ajam and take as much as you can't take and then improve relations and royal marriages everyone. Do that for 2-3 years and you are good to go. No need for a 28 min long video. It's all about how long does Shak live for.
I tried this run a few months ago and consistently my ruler died during the first war vs. Ajam, wrecking my game... Then I tried the easy way... allying Ottomans. Enven after monarch death, the subjects wont declare on you. In the meantime you can make stronger, integrate de smaller ones, reducing disloyalty in the others. A bit rough, buy super simple.
Anyone have any suggestions for forming the Mughals? I am allied with Mewar and Janpur, but Delhi has 4 (2 of whom have force limits around 20) allies. I usually don’t like declaring wars unless Me and my allies have at least 1.5x the troops that our enemy has.
Does war-weariness affect the liberty desire calculation (or at least their willingness to act on that desire)? This would only apply if your leader dies late. Also, is there a different tipping point than 10 years if your leader survives longer? Or is it just a question of being able to build up more resources for the 10 year mark?
The strategy is rather simple imo
Circle between conquests while meanwhile fabricating, be always at war and improve relations with Fars, try all you can to get him specifically loyal
After ten years peace out and annex Fars, some vassals (not Transoxiana though, screw Transoxiana) will be less rebellious, continue the war circle, improve, annex, at some point all your vassals will behave
You can stop, annex, and relax for a moment before again getting some new vassals in Arabia and India
Then go and grace the world with that beautiful Dark Green
You really don't need to destroy your vassals that much, especially if you are going to keep one or two around as fighting dogs later on. Just do the war against Ajam, while fabricating claims on Baluchistan and/or Hormuz. Stay at war for ten years. Start by integrating Afganistan (the only one which have a province u don't already own as a core, so the only not instantaneous one, and the one that opens the door to India). On the last month of Afganistan integ, annex Transox and Fars as well. And roll over the world.
A good strat is to ally Bengal and/or Bahmanis, and go for Delhian provinces, become Minghals. Then go north-west and form Russia. It will give you a lot of claims, and once you are done with a mission tree, just get another one.
Tried this strategy and if your ruler dies at start of war before you bleed any money they stay to strong to ever get below 50% I also had neg prestige events so could never placate and losing money since no vassals paying for my stuff. So I feel he needs to live long enough that they waste their troops and have a low balance.
Am I the only one who finds this tutorial super unnecessary? I don't see why people claim the Timurids are difficult or hard to manage. Invade Ajam day one. Get full force limit. Wait around and then use all your diplomats to annex as many vassals at once as possible.
Thank you Arumba I have now formed the Mughals for the first time ever thanks to this video, and did it before 1500 even! :D
One thing that might make fighting the first war easier: put 1 or 2 vassals on supportive and have them attach to a 1k stack. For a tiny sacrifice of manpower, you can actually direct them into battles or sieges.
u just need to get millitary technology and vassals wont disloyal, so u actually need to take the extra 150 military points :) and go for focus of millitary development.
This has proven to be quite effective, and Im an absolute beginner ._.
...I believe I also done fucked up with selecting my idea groups
Wouldn't it be easyer to just turn transoxiana into a Marc??
Nah, you wanna annex them asap.
Mate, I just have to say thank you. I just tested your strategy, and as a beginner to this game, I must say it worked perfectly! Thanks from France!
You should do a timurid challenge run. Where you do as few of these as possible! Iv been wanting a new EU 4 series to watch😁
once you got 100% cored back, they will be a lot less rebellious... especially when you integrate Fars/transoxiana
Works like a charm. Thanks for the tip about the diplo rep dude. I probably wouldn't have noticed that gem.
You can make a series out of this... so that means... play as the timurads and probably conquer the world. It will sound very fun
Doesn’t work, you should’ve made the video showing if the ruler doesn’t last a luckily long time. When your vassals all go disloyal after he dies in the war you won’t have the money to support your army
What i usually do is this: fight ajam, as soon as i peace out, afghanistan and transoxiania have no money so they mothball forts: place units on them. ally chagatai and jaunpur, miltech up as soon as your vassals declare. Cash money from your vassals in peace deal
You could also just declare reconquest on Transoxiana. It cost some stab but the subjects quickly shut up and I gained a lot of power really fast.
Hey Arumba, got any ideas on how to get capital in europe now that 1.28 requires 50% dev in Europe?
This strategy does NOT work if you don't have the cradle of civilization DLC
should probably make the biggest guy supportive and designate a 1 stack to lead his army around to kill enemies.
I found its better to let your vassals after the war with ajam attack you win the war and take provences from each one y peacing them out seperatly
What dlcs do you have and which ones are required in your opinion as i do not have any but want to get some, but not the stupid ones
I always survive in timurids even in very hard, just goddamn murder transoxiana and literally win the game
Were timurids Mongolians ?
Don't territory with your cores get integrated automatically when diploanex?
I don't have the required dlc to do all the subject stuff. What do you suggest?
I would just release the transoxionia guy and take him out after I integrate everyone else
Wow, your emperor actually lived for more than 2 years, that is impressive
for some reason i can't annex ayone until 1454. why is this?
You can’t annex a vassal until 10 years after the game start/ when they get vassalized. This is is to prevent vassals from being immediately integrated.
Im 30+ years old, but still laughed when I saw the provence semnan
I just lost Shah Rukh on the 18th of November, 1444...
For being someone who has played the tims for 800 hours I cant watch this
What should I do if Ajam goes for my capital? Do I fight a battle ?
I thought that whenever your leader is leading an army, he has an increased chance to die.
My king keeps dying before i even get the event explaining liberty desire.
Could you do a denmark guide
I actually did a Timurids>Mughals game a few months ago. I was constantly taking cores from my vassals until they got to the point where they couldn't rebel, and if they did they were easily crushed. It worked well for me but the war or two that I had weren't optimal. Still, it worked for me and I had a good time.
i did a timurids->Yuan->mughals run, all those sweet, sweet permanent claims were fuckin' delicious, quickly turned into an attempt to WC. which, to be fair, are most of my games
Sadism
I think you can also get trust with your vassals by killing rebels in their lands
That raises opinion, but not trust iirc
Question, what should I do with religion? Convert Shia? Leave them be? What about like a 100 years after. I already survived the start date. Dunno what to do With all the Shia. I left it and got humanist. But optimally what would you do with the religion?
Convert shia, keep every other religious group IMO. Shia can't be assigned to the Dhimmi, and it's hard to get high tolerance of heretics without going for a specific idea group to earn it. The Dhimmi are my favorite estate in the game, so I never convert if I have access to them.
I wish diplo-annexing only cost 3 dip. It costs 8!
Thank you ^^
Nice job! Some of your tips were really helpfull
I tried Timmy four times. The longest Shah Rukh survived was 3 years. I swear the game doesn't want me to do a fun Tim run.
Ekin il Valentino You don't need him to survive at all, it's quite easy to keep the subjects Liberty desire down without him
My Government tab seems to be different from yours, as there are none of those bubbles that allow "lenient tax" and "efficient tax farming" and the others.
it require dlc i think
In my game timurids survived and formed mughols
This is a super cowardly strategy and I love it.
What DLC do you have on this gameplay?
I never understood why people say timmies are hard when the AI seems to have a perfectly easy time never collapsing.
I think its because people find it too painful to let some of their vassals go. You can let transoxiana go and that will lower the other subjects liberty desire but you essentially let go of a subject you could have potentially instantly annexed and people hate that.