Can you check if the new 2020 stainless steel Jotter's barrel would fit the old brass threaded cap from the older Jotters? That means we can interchange them and get an all metal construction.
believe it or not i was just cleaning my uncle's van from the 80's that he just got for some restoration and I was just sitting in the driver's seat thinking how crazy it looked like 40 years ago and then i checked the glovebox, note that the car was all in dust and spider webs but that stainless steel pen there, it was just shining and already got my attention on the first sight, it looked clean like brand new, I couldnt resist from not taking that pen, because i know when the car is gonna be cleaned, then this pen will be lost so i took it and damn, its somewhere from the 80's too but in a perfect condition, im not a guy who knows or has interest about pens, but this pen is so simple yet brilliant, Its simple but cool at the same time, just wanted to share this story
This might be true for many people the Parker jotter was the first pen that actually sparked my interest in pens. My fifth grade teacher always used a Parker jotter and I loved it. It was the first pen that I ever specifically noticed. I pick them up whenever I see them at estate sales and thrift stores. I'm also now building a collection of the paper mate style pen that my father used to use.
Yeah, the Parker Jotter was what sparked my interest in pens, as well. I write all the time for my job, so I looked up a good steel pen, and found the jotter. Then I went down the rabbit hole of refills, and that led me to fountain pens, and the story goes on... I am now a pen enthusiast, but it all started with the Jotter.
I find the plastic jotters far easier to grip than the metal versions. Despite owning several metal jotters it's the plastic ones I reach for most often.
I love the brushed metal ones, however the plastic barrel ones in the different colours are a joy to collect, as they are more of a challenge to find in good condition from the 1960's , 1970s and 1980s. I love to find jotters with brass threads.
@@Robert_Manners I just found one in a thrift store brand new in the original packaging. Red plastic but old enough to have the brass threading. Now I’m kinda wondering if I shouldn’t have removed it from the packaging. Would that have made it worth anything?
I’ve been using Jotters since 1967. The Jotter is still my favorite pen. I have about 10 Jotters in different colors which I keep in all my jackets and work bags. Add a Schmidt Easy Flow 9000m refill and it writes smooth as silk.
I'm inclined to agree with you. The Jotter is a good for collections. I managed to get a three pack with a gel, ball point and mechanical pencil with extra refills for extremely cheap.
I carried a stainless steel Jotter with me every day for 20 years when I was in the military. Rock solid pen! Never failed me. Had to watch it like a hawk when anyone borrowed it, though! The pen had a habit of “walking away”, if you weren’t vigilant. I stopped using it when I discovered gel pens (Pilot G2). But recently I discovered that Parker makes an excellent gel refill-the Parker QuinkGEL! The Jotter’s back, baby!!😆
Sorry to be an annoying nerd, but I love Jotters, and actually the vast majority of the models aren't represented here. You have a great find in that you have one of the "first year" models from 1954, which was also offered in all steel (called a "custom" a the time), with a unique mirror finish section right at the barrel/cap joint. For just ONE year following, 1955, they made a big jump -- added the ferrul to the plastic version (and stopped the nylon), took away the mirror part on the flighter, and changed the clip from the "v-clip" to a smooth ball-catch clip. The next year, they stabilized to one of the a few long stretches of what we all know with the arrow clip. (Brass threads the whole time of course.) In 1973, the button was changed from the dome-top to the dish-top with the little logo. Then (sadly) in 1980 they switched to plastic threads (I think you have one or two of those). Those last three phases are the vast majority of jotters. Manufacturing origin also started to shift around in this phase, you can see different stamps and date codes that look very different. Various newfangled shenanigans have been afoot as of late, they're not really my interest. I think the 1956 - 1972 is my favorite version with the domed button, and also the 1955 version. You should definitely seek out some of those! There were also different versions of the mechanical pencil jotter, but I don't really pursue them (and they are often in poor repair in a used bargain lot). Thank you for the video! And again, apologies for being the huge Jotter geek!
Glad to know that my avid interest of Jotters is far from unique. Love the body, and Schimdt/Quink refills. All reliable, and never failed on me. Hawkeyes required, most stolen pen, if lent out to someone.
Jotter is a great choice. I have a bunch, both metal and plastic barrels, made in both France and India. I like them all. The metal barrel versions look great and feel good when you pick them up, but can also be a bit slippery. The plastic barrels are ABS plastic and very grippy and comfortable. Plus, you can get any kind of refill you want. My personal favorite is the fine point .55mm Parker gel. P.S., how is the Jotter "known" as an all-metal pen? Most of them are plastic, and as you mention, the very first Jotters were not all metal but nylon.
The German made Senator Point ballpoint is a nice jotter style. BTW, the plastic barrel of the Senator has the exact length and taper as the Ohto Ray's. The whole pen is the same length. I just purchased an ultra rare Paper Mate Profile Trio Husky grip from 1964. Unused, still on the card. It came with a free roll of Scotch Magic Tape. A 39 cent value! The pen retailed for $1.95 in 1964.
If given the choice of a single pen out of all pens, fountain, ballpoint, rollerball, whatever ... it's the Jotter (all metal version) I would choose. Simple, elegant, and even though you'd think it's too small, somehow it isn't.
Omg! I knew I remembered my old one having a flat top with a logo! I thought I was going crazy lol! Still happy with the new one I got but I'm happy someone confirmed it!
I bought a Parker 75 Classic on ebay and the seller threw in an extra Jotter for some reason. The clip was bent up and the ancient ink cartridge was completely dry. I took it apart and discovered it was all metal. Before getting too excited, I tested the click mechanism and it just kept jamming. Disappointed, I focused on the clip and managed to flex it back into place on the first try, with only one small mark as a result. I then replaced the ink cartridge, but it still kept jamming. I oiled up the click mechanism, but upon removing the spring, I discovered it had a kink in it, so the cartridge would exit the bottom at a small angle. I replaced the spring and BAM, as good as a modern Jotter. I cannot tell you how happy I am owning an all metal Jotter! It went from a throw away freebie to now residing in a protective sleeve on my desk, waiting to be used any chance I get. You gotta love this hobby!
The metal tip protector is called a ferule. Most of the Jotters I have had (and we're talking about 20 to 40 years ago) had plastic barrels. The only one I had that was all stainless was a hood operator. I'm sure I have one in the bottom of a drawer somewhere but now I have a Jotter fountain pen. Thanks for the memories.
I'v got a SS one with old chevrons and domed top without logo, and SS pencil with old chevrons and domed top with parker-style letter P, both made in France, bought together in 2013
As you mentioned, the earlier parkers have a better build quality compared to the parkers of today but the quality is still there. I can just imagine how the build quality will change in 50 years from today. Probably a lot more plastic and as usual a higher cost. I can just see a lot more pen manufacturers changing the way their refills are made from metal to plastic as Zebra did. A great video and thanks for your time and effort for posting.
I'd think that as day to day writing becomes less popular we will see a return to quality from the nicer pens and a drop in quality from the cheap stuff (somewhat offset by technological improvement), and then not much in the middle. But just my take!
@@unsharpen .........Very interesting, I think you have a point there ( No pun intended ) my wife was at a bord of education meeting last year and one of the topics on the agenda was to drop script as low as the 2nd grade. What is this world comming to.
It had already been refuted that writing will become obsolete. Even for us younger generations even handwriting on tablets is subpar compared to normal writing (learning-wise). Plastic is also a huge issue right now
I've had a number of Jotters, however, my current favourite is the Bond Street Black. The bottom section is a matte metal finish and it's just superb to write with. I ordered a Schmidt G2 refill for it last night, so interested to see how that changes the characteristics of the pen when it arrives.
Nice look at such an iconic pen! The Jotter is definitely in my top 3 EDC pens. Been picking up some more Jotters (and Ohto Rays!) myself lately. Just got the Portobello Purple one and the Victoria Violet is next on my list. They really are fun to collect.
Excelent vídeo. I am Jotter big fan. Schneider refils are great!! I Love them. Schneider produces a pressurized model and you can write in any position with it like the Fisher pens.
I've got one of the old Parkers that was made in Wisconsin as my daily writer. I use an Ohto dry gel refill in it. Parker pens have subtle differences depending on where they were made. Jotters made in England wrote better than the new ones now made in France. The Jotters that are contract made in India by Luxor are better writing pens than either the American, British, or French made copies IMHO. Let a French made Jotter set idle for more than 3 months, and you will have a rough time getting it to write smooth again. I buy Parker pens for the barrel and mechanism. I buy Ohto and Schneider refills to make it write like the pen it's supposed to.
I have a metal brushed Parker jotter with brass threads that looks rather average, however on the cap where the information on where the pen was made is, it just has R.S.A, does anyone know what country or place it was produced in please?
@Eye in the Sky Yes thanks, a few other sources confirmed that for me as well. Its become a favourite of mine to use, as I live in England in the Northern Hemisphere they are not very common and it has brass threads and the old style button.
Now i want one too..🤔🤔 Got spare refills anyway from getting rotring 600 after watching your vids. The first year's so cool! Love the original clip, the way it uses the least material for the less complex yet solid shape
Got a plastic one for free at some conference a few years ago, it does has a company brand on the plastic part, but it's a nice looking Jotter nonetheless. Still use it a lot and it's nice you can easily get refills, making it a nice every day carry pen.
In India Parker jotter is quiet cheap. Silver is about $4. I have a copper, silver, silver gold trim, gold, and red plastic metal type. Others are insignia, frontier gold, matte black, and silver gold trim ( all ink pens ), vector matte black, silver and gold ( roller pens ), IM ball and ink pen ( ball is matte blue and ink is glossy black ), a red vector ink pen, beta silver and gold, odyssey white gold trim ball, and classic matte brown, blue, black and other colors like silver and gold, and finally aster blue, black (matte), and red (ink pens) Edit : I have all these They all work like charm
Great video ! I have one from 1995 which has the code IIIT. I also have one from 1982 which has a code of A1. I purchased the 1995 one still in a sealed package off of Ebay. It's stainless with a gold clip. I think that USA manufacturing of these stopped around 1999. They shifted production to UK then France. Probably some Chinese ones by now too :) The old ones with the metal internal threading are the best IMO.
Great video. I like my Jotter ballpoint and fountain. I’d like a vintage pen from the 50s, but I do like the metal nib protector on the newer ones. To me it just adds a nice professional and finished look.
I have four old half plastic / half steel jotters in various colours. Three were made in France with plastic threads inside the barrel. Another was made in Canada with with brass threads. I love them as sort of a fetish. They still feel better in the hand than any other contemporary pen.. Looking back decades ago, I recall three brands that vied for the market: Parker, Eversharp and Papermate. Of all them, I liked the Papermates the best. For my taste, they were the smoothest writers and started on paper better than any other pen refill. There are still many people on the net who recall and miss the ink that was in genuine Papermate refills. Papermate was bought by Rubbermaid. At some point the ink formula was changed, and the pen was never the same. I now live in Japan. There is no end of pens with really excellent, smooth and reliable oil and gel refills to choose from. Sadly, they do not fit my Jotters :((( A good review of an old, friendly design - thanks! If only Parker would recreate the Papermate ink formula!
Classic, hassle free workhorse pen that should last a lifetime. Big fan of the G2 "Parker style" refills, as there are many good options to choose from, and they are readily available almost everywhere. I find that the grip area is too thin for long writing sessions, but I have other pens for those occasions.
Excellent video thanks for sharing. Something interesting I found it is that the original 1954 jotter (at least the all steel flighter as that is what I own) has a smaller hole than my 1960s jotters which results in less wobble when writing. The refills also were slightly wider in the 1960s but then for some reason were slimmed down to what they are today as my 1970s jotter refills are comparable to the modern ones. I have a theory that this was done for the Parker 75 Classic (the really thin ballpoint) as the wide 1960s refills do not fit in the Classic.
Yes, very pleased I wasn't imaging it and you have found the same. The older ones seem better. Like a lot of Parker products, their older stuff is better quality and seems to have had more thought put into any design elements. This is a shame. Great review, thank you.
I love the Parker Jotter XL more than the regular Parker Jotter. Both are nice, but I find the XL fits my hand better. I got the all black version of the XL.
I'm currently collecting the old ones. They are easy to acquire, and are really far superior. The older Jotter pencil 0.5 with flattop and without the indentations (i believe from the 70s) is really good, and has a different mechanism. The click is more like a Jotter ballpen, it really is my favorite pencil tbh
Please don't take this as an insult or "mean" criticism since it is no way meant as such. All I wanted to say is that as someone who makes videos with his hands in frame/focus you might want to consider a manicure or just taking better care of your nails in general. This is coming from someone who used to bite his on the regular to the point that I am now making weekly efforts to try to restore the natural length and shape of my fingers and nails. Also, thank you for your great videos. They have helped me make purchase decisions on more than one occasion.
Mine has all the build of the older version with a rounded button BUT it has the logo engraved in it. It's a bit worn as I've had it for almost 20 years, but it still clicks perfectly. It also says Made in the UK. I know they had a plant in England that closed in 2010, and I bought my pen in 2002.
I just picked up a vintage Jotter pencil from an antique shop today for about $5. The pencil cartridge it came with is different than the ones in your video and I don't think it still works. I'm not even sure how you'd load lead into it. Anyway, I just swapped it out for a Schmidt refill and made it a ballpoint. It has the older arrow clip design and brass threads, but is also a navy blue plastic. There's also a logo printed on the barrel I don't recognize, a big gray S with a smaller D and R. I assume it's some sports team or university or something.
I totally agree with this review as I have a 10 year old Jotter Made In France and I just bought a new XL one from Amazon a few days ago, and the surprise was the pen was made in China with more or less clear points as this video clearly shows between an old and a new pen. If you really want a the strong feel of a genuine Parker just get a vintage one for sure the old stuff is way often better regardless.
I recently acquired a brass threaded, stainless steel Jotter ballpoint, marked "Made in USA". So far, just an average pen. But... the plunger in the cap has the 6 rings pressed into it, just like that pencil you have there. Cosmetically, it's near perfect and I paid $15 for it. I have read that Parker have been known to use old component stock to use up inventory and create the occasional "frankenpen" and I've certainly not seen this variation before or since. 💙
I have had a few Jotters in my life. There has been the USA version, quite a few UK versions and now the France version. I must say that the feeling of a quality pen in hands has decreased considerably. The newest Made in France is lighter in hand, sort of cheap. The parts are still here, but the feeling of solidity is not any more. Clicking is softer and flimsier, the plastics seem thinner. The next Jotter will most likely be the used one made before 2010 and preferably before 1980 when brass threads were discontinued.
@Eye in the Sky I don't doubt that. There were so many wariations during the production, who would know all of them. All I wanted to say is the production before was better. Can not say when exactly. I was not satisfied with the UK examples, although it seem to me better than this France made. I had one or two Jotters made in USA. The tip of the pen did not wobble, the click was much smoother and I would say had more "noble" in its action. The whole pen had more silid feel in hand. And the ink flowed more consistently on the paper.
On my Jotters (France) the ballpoint tip fits way too loose in the barrel tip. You can hear it and feel it move everytime you put pen to paper. The Parker refill is the worst ballpoint refill I ever used. It forms massive ink boogers and isn't smooth. Above the clip there is a thin piece of steel that retains the clip on the barrel and it can be sharp on some pens. Like you mentioned the clicking mechanism is unpleasant. IMO this is the most over-rated pen, and sadly Rubbermaid is using the iconic design to sell a poor quality product.
I have a 3 types of buttons: 1: old; 2: new without logo; 3: looks like new, but with logo on the top of it. And all three pens have a old type of clip.
after browse the store for 1 hour I end up choosing the plastic black Jotter. It has a better grip I guess due to the glossy finish plastic compared to the stainless one and it's half of the stainless price. Nice pen!
Ballpoint pens skip unlike the gel pens. I purchased a couple of premium Pilot pens and while they write smoothly, they still skip a tiny bit. Same with any other ballpoint.
It was mase in the third quarter of 1989, III first quarter/ II second quarter/ I third quarter/ N = 1989. I have one U.II (second quarter 2001) it has the P (from Parker) in the push button top, instead of your parker arrow and halo logo, I enjoyed your video TY.
Sure ohto is a fantastic brand but the rays is clearly inspired but the Parker, unless my timelines are massively wrong. Their history page doesn’t even mention the Rays www.ohto.co.jp/english/timeline/.
I have the jotter in stainless steel and a all metal matt finish black one and the plastic and metal combination one as well i like them. But i wasn't aware of the jotter pencil i think i need to get one for myself. Nice video and it was was a helpful one. Thanks.
i had so many of these over hte years, and I am disappointed in the colored metal ones. I had a dark green (metallic) one, and one with stainless steel top, copper-metal bottom, and with all the metal ones which are not fully stainless steel, the surface did not last more than a few weeks. the finish would start coming off around the tip (next to the writing nib) and get scratched. this happened to multiple of them, so i would not buy them again. i like the fully stainless steel one, or the stainless steel top and regular plastic bottom ones, since the plastic is the same color through and through even if it gets a scratch it doesn´t really show and it will look good for years.
I have the brushed stainless steel jotter, its too slim and slippery. The jotter XL is superior, I customised it by putting a rubber grip on it because the matt finish was still too slippery. Too bad the clip broke off. Im using a zebra F-402 now with a zebra 701 tip so I can use it with fisher refills, lets hope the clip lasts longer.
Nice video on the Jotter. Learned something. You have the Jotter as a pencil ✏️ too. In twist or with a special pencil G2 refill. Maybe even more versions. Can you make a video on that too?
At their lake home my grandparents had a box full of these we would use once in a while. A couple were broken however most all worked well and were nice condition. 1976-1987. About 75-100 were in the box. They are mine now, I had no idea they had/have any value. Guess I’m gonna find out soon. I do know there are several 1st gens in there. I remember using them as a kid
the first generation was made for only one year 1954 easily identified as the lower plastic body has vertical lines scribed in the plastic other than that most consider any jotter that has brass threads to be of value and made in USA if you twist the top cap and bottom and separate them look inside the click part and you will either see brass threads or plastic
@@heyitMeMcFlyunfortunately most have the brass. They are all from various restaurants, bars, supper clubs, tourist attractions from all over the us. Found out my grandma was a pen collector. We played Yahtzee and other old school games with them. Thanks!
I really like the old style. Wish they would bring back the classic. The click top had the engraving that I adore and I like the slimness. I more of wish they would have kept the arrow from the classic and the click top engraving. The arrow chevrons seem cheap to me. It’s a cheap pen but the old style felt quite premium and I keep them close for that.
@@heyitMeMcFlyunfortunately I’ve found a few vintage that I’ve bought since then. They’re great and they look hardly used. They are relatively inexpensive. I can say that will be true in another 10 years when stock runs lower.
Hello, I'm pretty familliar with jotters but i bought an old onejust recently which has a pretty normal made in england stamp, except the font looks slightly horizontally 'stretched'. Also the button is domed outwards to a fairly smooth central point, and both the button and clip look way newer than the beat up barrel (like uncannily perfect). Questioning if it's fake, the main thing is the button as all the made in englands ive had have the domed inward button with the oval arrow logo.
Everything you need to know about the Parker Jotter ballpoint pen: Throw the Parker filler away and replace it with a Schmidt EasyFlow 9000 Hybrid Ballpoint Pen Refill. That's it.
I have two these pens. In this video at time 5:46 showing the logo. One of my pen showing the exact logo as the video shows but the other pen is showing a slanting p symbol. Can anyone please say are both of my pens are original parker itself.
I need a smooth fine point pen with dark ink for work. I do paperwork that requires me to write really small. My deposit record has very small boxes to write in. Initially I thought I wanted a rollerball as I like them best, but not sure if that's what I need in this situation. What would you recommend? Thank you.
If you are looking for a refill for your Jotter, I'd recommend the Ohto flash dry gel. Very thin line and very smooth. www.jetpens.com/Ohto-Flash-Dry-Gel-Pen-Refill-Black/pd/22302
I'm so confused I have one with the dome top and black inside and it's made in france, but the clip looks exactly like the old one you showed at 4:16 (with more lines and stuff)
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Can you check if the new 2020 stainless steel Jotter's barrel would fit the old brass threaded cap from the older Jotters? That means we can interchange them and get an all metal construction.
believe it or not i was just cleaning my uncle's van from the 80's that he just got for some restoration and I was just sitting in the driver's seat thinking how crazy it looked like 40 years ago and then i checked the glovebox, note that the car was all in dust and spider webs but that stainless steel pen there, it was just shining and already got my attention on the first sight, it looked clean like brand new, I couldnt resist from not taking that pen, because i know when the car is gonna be cleaned, then this pen will be lost so i took it and damn, its somewhere from the 80's too but in a perfect condition, im not a guy who knows or has interest about pens, but this pen is so simple yet brilliant, Its simple but cool at the same time, just wanted to share this story
wow that's cool
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This might be true for many people the Parker jotter was the first pen that actually sparked my interest in pens. My fifth grade teacher always used a Parker jotter and I loved it. It was the first pen that I ever specifically noticed. I pick them up whenever I see them at estate sales and thrift stores. I'm also now building a collection of the paper mate style pen that my father used to use.
Yeah, the Parker Jotter was what sparked my interest in pens, as well. I write all the time for my job, so I looked up a good steel pen, and found the jotter. Then I went down the rabbit hole of refills, and that led me to fountain pens, and the story goes on... I am now a pen enthusiast, but it all started with the Jotter.
My next pickup will definitely be a Jotter. They're too iconic to not own.
@@bikingmustardrace9642 And, maybe even a court stenographer!
I have over 100 of them😁
I find the plastic jotters far easier to grip than the metal versions. Despite owning several metal jotters it's the plastic ones I reach for most often.
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Those are the fake ones.
@@eriangelino7800 no, they're not.
@@eriangelino7800 what exactly do you mean by fake?
I love the brushed metal ones, however the plastic barrel ones in the different colours are a joy to collect, as they are more of a challenge to find in good condition from the 1960's , 1970s and 1980s. I love to find jotters with brass threads.
@@Robert_Manners I just found one in a thrift store brand new in the original packaging. Red plastic but old enough to have the brass threading. Now I’m kinda wondering if I shouldn’t have removed it from the packaging. Would that have made it worth anything?
I’ve been using Jotters since 1967. The Jotter is still my favorite pen. I have about 10 Jotters in different colors which I keep in all my jackets and work bags. Add a Schmidt Easy Flow 9000m refill and it writes smooth as silk.
I'm inclined to agree with you. The Jotter is a good for collections. I managed to get a three pack with a gel, ball point and mechanical pencil with extra refills for extremely cheap.
I carried a stainless steel Jotter with me every day for 20 years when I was in the military. Rock solid pen! Never failed me. Had to watch it like a hawk when anyone borrowed it, though! The pen had a habit of “walking away”, if you weren’t vigilant. I stopped using it when I discovered gel pens (Pilot G2). But recently I discovered that Parker makes an excellent gel refill-the Parker QuinkGEL! The Jotter’s back, baby!!😆
thing about gel - it lasts only for couple weeks. Quinkflow lasts for months, even years.
Do they still sell this pen and this refill?
Yes, biggest drawback to the Jotter, once lent out, hard to get it back. Have disposables ready to lend out, Jotters are for personal use only!
Love the iconic Jotter! I wish Parker would make a XL model in all stainless steel.
And I'm wishing they made the standard in the green the XL comes in, but I did just win a jade green Jotter.
With the magic of being from the future, Parker now has a XL jotter
have a modern jotter and one from the ‘90s. you can tell the build quality is night and day just by the click.
Fantastic pen....I wish they made the XL version more economical....double the price a non-stainless for 7% more size seems like a rip-off.
Sorry to be an annoying nerd, but I love Jotters, and actually the vast majority of the models aren't represented here. You have a great find in that you have one of the "first year" models from 1954, which was also offered in all steel (called a "custom" a the time), with a unique mirror finish section right at the barrel/cap joint. For just ONE year following, 1955, they made a big jump -- added the ferrul to the plastic version (and stopped the nylon), took away the mirror part on the flighter, and changed the clip from the "v-clip" to a smooth ball-catch clip. The next year, they stabilized to one of the a few long stretches of what we all know with the arrow clip. (Brass threads the whole time of course.) In 1973, the button was changed from the dome-top to the dish-top with the little logo. Then (sadly) in 1980 they switched to plastic threads (I think you have one or two of those). Those last three phases are the vast majority of jotters. Manufacturing origin also started to shift around in this phase, you can see different stamps and date codes that look very different. Various newfangled shenanigans have been afoot as of late, they're not really my interest. I think the 1956 - 1972 is my favorite version with the domed button, and also the 1955 version. You should definitely seek out some of those! There were also different versions of the mechanical pencil jotter, but I don't really pursue them (and they are often in poor repair in a used bargain lot). Thank you for the video! And again, apologies for being the huge Jotter geek!
Glad to know that my avid interest of Jotters is far from unique. Love the body, and Schimdt/Quink refills. All reliable, and never failed on me. Hawkeyes required, most stolen pen, if lent out to someone.
Jotter is a great choice. I have a bunch, both metal and plastic barrels, made in both France and India. I like them all. The metal barrel versions look great and feel good when you pick them up, but can also be a bit slippery. The plastic barrels are ABS plastic and very grippy and comfortable. Plus, you can get any kind of refill you want. My personal favorite is the fine point .55mm Parker gel.
P.S., how is the Jotter "known" as an all-metal pen? Most of them are plastic, and as you mention, the very first Jotters were not all metal but nylon.
The German made Senator Point ballpoint is a nice jotter style. BTW, the plastic barrel of the Senator has the exact length and taper as the Ohto Ray's. The whole pen is the same length. I just purchased an ultra rare Paper Mate Profile Trio Husky grip from 1964. Unused, still on the card. It came with a free roll of Scotch Magic Tape. A 39 cent value! The pen retailed for $1.95 in 1964.
If given the choice of a single pen out of all pens, fountain, ballpoint, rollerball, whatever ... it's the Jotter (all metal version) I would choose. Simple, elegant, and even though you'd think it's too small, somehow it isn't.
My Mom was always super proud of her T Ball Jotter she had in the early 80's. She gave me an interest in Parker pens that I still have 40 years later
Omg! I knew I remembered my old one having a flat top with a logo! I thought I was going crazy lol! Still happy with the new one I got but I'm happy someone confirmed it!
I bought a Parker 75 Classic on ebay and the seller threw in an extra Jotter for some reason. The clip was bent up and the ancient ink cartridge was completely dry. I took it apart and discovered it was all metal. Before getting too excited, I tested the click mechanism and it just kept jamming. Disappointed, I focused on the clip and managed to flex it back into place on the first try, with only one small mark as a result. I then replaced the ink cartridge, but it still kept jamming. I oiled up the click mechanism, but upon removing the spring, I discovered it had a kink in it, so the cartridge would exit the bottom at a small angle. I replaced the spring and BAM, as good as a modern Jotter. I cannot tell you how happy I am owning an all metal Jotter! It went from a throw away freebie to now residing in a protective sleeve on my desk, waiting to be used any chance I get. You gotta love this hobby!
Nice pickup!
The metal tip protector is called a ferule.
Most of the Jotters I have had (and we're talking about 20 to 40 years ago) had plastic barrels. The only one I had that was all stainless was a hood operator. I'm sure I have one in the bottom of a drawer somewhere but now I have a Jotter fountain pen.
Thanks for the memories.
I'v got a SS one with old chevrons and domed top without logo, and SS pencil with old chevrons and domed top with parker-style letter P, both made in France, bought together in 2013
As you mentioned, the earlier parkers have a better build quality compared to the parkers of today but the quality is still there. I can just imagine how the build quality will change in 50 years from today. Probably a lot more plastic and as usual a higher cost. I can just see a lot more pen manufacturers changing the way their refills are made from metal to plastic as Zebra did.
A great video and thanks for your time and effort for posting.
I'd think that as day to day writing becomes less popular we will see a return to quality from the nicer pens and a drop in quality from the cheap stuff (somewhat offset by technological improvement), and then not much in the middle. But just my take!
@@unsharpen .........Very interesting, I think you have a point there ( No pun intended ) my wife was at a bord of education meeting last year and one of the topics on the agenda was to drop script as low as the 2nd grade. What is this world comming to.
It had already been refuted that writing will become obsolete. Even for us younger generations even handwriting on tablets is subpar compared to normal writing (learning-wise).
Plastic is also a huge issue right now
I've had a number of Jotters, however, my current favourite is the Bond Street Black. The bottom section is a matte metal finish and it's just superb to write with. I ordered a Schmidt G2 refill for it last night, so interested to see how that changes the characteristics of the pen when it arrives.
Excellent review! I've had jotter for 26 years. My everyday pen.
Nice look at such an iconic pen! The Jotter is definitely in my top 3 EDC pens.
Been picking up some more Jotters (and Ohto Rays!) myself lately. Just got the Portobello Purple one and the Victoria Violet is next on my list. They really are fun to collect.
What does EDC stand for?
@@raymondbrooke4816 In this context, "EDC" stands for "Everyday Carry." It means a pen that is frequently used.
it's endearing that you care so much about pens.
Excelent vídeo. I am Jotter big fan. Schneider refils are great!! I Love them. Schneider produces a pressurized model and you can write in any position with it like the Fisher pens.
I've got one of the old Parkers that was made in Wisconsin as my daily writer. I use an Ohto dry gel refill in it. Parker pens have subtle differences depending on where they were made. Jotters made in England wrote better than the new ones now made in France. The Jotters that are contract made in India by Luxor are better writing pens than either the American, British, or French made copies IMHO. Let a French made Jotter set idle for more than 3 months, and you will have a rough time getting it to write smooth again. I buy Parker pens for the barrel and mechanism. I buy Ohto and Schneider refills to make it write like the pen it's supposed to.
I have a metal brushed Parker jotter with brass threads that looks rather average, however on the cap where the information on where the pen was made is, it just has R.S.A, does anyone know what country or place it was produced in please?
@Eye in the Sky Yes thanks, a few other sources confirmed that for me as well. Its become a favourite of mine to use, as I live in England in the Northern Hemisphere they are not very common and it has brass threads and the old style button.
Now i want one too..🤔🤔 Got spare refills anyway from getting rotring 600 after watching your vids. The first year's so cool! Love the original clip, the way it uses the least material for the less complex yet solid shape
Got a plastic one for free at some conference a few years ago, it does has a company brand on the plastic part, but it's a nice looking Jotter nonetheless. Still use it a lot and it's nice you can easily get refills, making it a nice every day carry pen.
In India Parker jotter is quiet cheap. Silver is about $4. I have a copper, silver, silver gold trim, gold, and red plastic metal type.
Others are insignia, frontier gold, matte black, and silver gold trim ( all ink pens ), vector matte black, silver and gold ( roller pens ), IM ball and ink pen ( ball is matte blue and ink is glossy black ), a red vector ink pen, beta silver and gold, odyssey white gold trim ball, and classic matte brown, blue, black and other colors like silver and gold, and finally aster blue, black (matte), and red (ink pens)
Edit : I have all these
They all work like charm
Great video ! I have one from 1995 which has the code IIIT. I also have one from 1982 which has a code of A1. I purchased the 1995 one still in a sealed package off of Ebay. It's stainless with a gold clip. I think that USA manufacturing of these stopped around 1999. They shifted production to UK then France. Probably some Chinese ones by now too :) The old ones with the metal internal threading are the best IMO.
Great video. I like my Jotter ballpoint and fountain. I’d like a vintage pen from the 50s, but I do like the metal nib protector on the newer ones. To me it just adds a nice professional and finished look.
I have four old half plastic / half steel jotters in various colours. Three were made in France with plastic threads inside the barrel. Another was made in Canada with with brass threads. I love them as sort of a fetish. They still feel better in the hand than any other contemporary pen.. Looking back decades ago, I recall three brands that vied for the market: Parker, Eversharp and Papermate. Of all them, I liked the Papermates the best. For my taste, they were the smoothest writers and started on paper better than any other pen refill. There are still many people on the net who recall and miss the ink that was in genuine Papermate refills. Papermate was bought by Rubbermaid. At some point the ink formula was changed, and the pen was never the same.
I now live in Japan. There is no end of pens with really excellent, smooth and reliable oil and gel refills to choose from. Sadly, they do not fit my Jotters :(((
A good review of an old, friendly design - thanks! If only Parker would recreate the Papermate ink formula!
Classic, hassle free workhorse pen that should last a lifetime. Big fan of the G2 "Parker style" refills, as there are many good options to choose from, and they are readily available almost everywhere. I find that the grip area is too thin for long writing sessions, but I have other pens for those occasions.
Excellent video thanks for sharing. Something interesting I found it is that the original 1954 jotter (at least the all steel flighter as that is what I own) has a smaller hole than my 1960s jotters which results in less wobble when writing. The refills also were slightly wider in the 1960s but then for some reason were slimmed down to what they are today as my 1970s jotter refills are comparable to the modern ones. I have a theory that this was done for the Parker 75 Classic (the really thin ballpoint) as the wide 1960s refills do not fit in the Classic.
Good info, thanks!
After Rose Anvil, Unsharpen is my favorite YT Channel.
Thanks!
Yes, very pleased I wasn't imaging it and you have found the same. The older ones seem better. Like a lot of Parker products, their older stuff is better quality and seems to have had more thought put into any design elements. This is a shame. Great review, thank you.
I really like the style of the Jotter but the non-concentric crossover between the two body parts bother me a lot. I also really like our reviews!
Please, do a video with weight comparison. Without refills. Just empty pens itself. New pen feels much lighter 🤔
Just picked one up today! I've been using Pilot G2's for years, but the Jotter feels so nice in hand. I'll be ordering a gel insert soon lol.
Same!
I love the Parker Jotter XL more than the regular Parker Jotter. Both are nice, but I find the XL fits my hand better. I got the all black version of the XL.
jotter stainless is my only pen,,, lives in my only notebook, use them every day
Love my Parker Jotter. Thank you for the detail!
I'm currently collecting the old ones. They are easy to acquire, and are really far superior. The older Jotter pencil 0.5 with flattop and without the indentations (i believe from the 70s) is really good, and has a different mechanism. The click is more like a Jotter ballpen, it really is my favorite pencil tbh
Please don't take this as an insult or "mean" criticism since it is no way meant as such. All I wanted to say is that as someone who makes videos with his hands in frame/focus you might want to consider a manicure or just taking better care of your nails in general. This is coming from someone who used to bite his on the regular to the point that I am now making weekly efforts to try to restore the natural length and shape of my fingers and nails.
Also, thank you for your great videos. They have helped me make purchase decisions on more than one occasion.
Appreciate the feedback.
Mine has all the build of the older version with a rounded button BUT it has the logo engraved in it. It's a bit worn as I've had it for almost 20 years, but it still clicks perfectly. It also says Made in the UK. I know they had a plant in England that closed in 2010, and I bought my pen in 2002.
Good video, huge fan of the Jotters!
Thanks!
I thought it was an indian brand. It is still an iconic pen.
I have a dozen Parker Pens.
I just picked up a vintage Jotter pencil from an antique shop today for about $5. The pencil cartridge it came with is different than the ones in your video and I don't think it still works. I'm not even sure how you'd load lead into it. Anyway, I just swapped it out for a Schmidt refill and made it a ballpoint. It has the older arrow clip design and brass threads, but is also a navy blue plastic. There's also a logo printed on the barrel I don't recognize, a big gray S with a smaller D and R. I assume it's some sports team or university or something.
I totally agree with this review as I have a 10 year old Jotter Made In France and I just bought a new XL one from Amazon a few days ago, and the surprise was the pen was made in China with more or less clear points as this video clearly shows between an old and a new pen. If you really want a the strong feel of a genuine Parker just get a vintage one for sure the old stuff is way often better regardless.
I'm a big fan! I think they are the most perfect shape and size, nice slick design. Greta video you made! Really detailed!
I recently acquired a brass threaded, stainless steel Jotter ballpoint, marked "Made in USA". So far, just an average pen. But... the plunger in the cap has the 6 rings pressed into it, just like that pencil you have there. Cosmetically, it's near perfect and I paid $15 for it. I have read that Parker have been known to use old component stock to use up inventory and create the occasional "frankenpen" and I've certainly not seen this variation before or since. 💙
I have had a few Jotters in my life. There has been the USA version, quite a few UK versions and now the France version. I must say that the feeling of a quality pen in hands has decreased considerably. The newest Made in France is lighter in hand, sort of cheap. The parts are still here, but the feeling of solidity is not any more. Clicking is softer and flimsier, the plastics seem thinner. The next Jotter will most likely be the used one made before 2010 and preferably before 1980 when brass threads were discontinued.
@Eye in the Sky I don't doubt that.
There were so many wariations during the production, who would know all of them. All I wanted to say is the production before was better. Can not say when exactly. I was not satisfied with the UK examples, although it seem to me better than this France made. I had one or two Jotters made in USA. The tip of the pen did not wobble, the click was much smoother and I would say had more "noble" in its action. The whole pen had more silid feel in hand. And the ink flowed more consistently on the paper.
@eyeinthesky247so have you seen any difference?
On my Jotters (France) the ballpoint tip fits way too loose in the barrel tip. You can hear it and feel it move everytime you put pen to paper. The Parker refill is the worst ballpoint refill I ever used. It forms massive ink boogers and isn't smooth. Above the clip there is a thin piece of steel that retains the clip on the barrel and it can be sharp on some pens. Like you mentioned the clicking mechanism is unpleasant. IMO this is the most over-rated pen, and sadly Rubbermaid is using the iconic design to sell a poor quality product.
I have a 3 types of buttons: 1: old; 2: new without logo; 3: looks like new, but with logo on the top of it. And all three pens have a old type of clip.
after browse the store for 1 hour I end up choosing the plastic black Jotter. It has a better grip I guess due to the glossy finish plastic compared to the stainless one and it's half of the stainless price. Nice pen!
At 7:47 The date code is IIIN, which makes it either an '89 or a '99 first quarter pen.
I still have all my Fathers Jotters from his time on the NYPD.
Ballpoint pens skip unlike the gel pens. I purchased a couple of premium Pilot pens and while they write smoothly, they still skip a tiny bit. Same with any other ballpoint.
I have four, black, blue, red, stainless steel.
Those little symbols, the ones you mentioned looked like they said "in" are actually Parker's way to date their pens. Looks like a 80s-90s?
Yes that is a code that tells the year was made
It was mase in the third quarter of 1989, III first quarter/ II second quarter/ I third quarter/ N = 1989.
I have one U.II (second quarter 2001) it has the P (from Parker) in the push button top, instead of your parker arrow and halo logo, I enjoyed your video TY.
Ohto invented the rollerball pen. It’s not some random copycat. In the pen and pencil world, Ohto has just as huge a legacy as Parker, if not more so.
Sure ohto is a fantastic brand but the rays is clearly inspired but the Parker, unless my timelines are massively wrong. Their history page doesn’t even mention the Rays www.ohto.co.jp/english/timeline/.
You must own hundreds of pens! I thought I was bad! I have only 120 bic pens! I love the retractable bic pens!
You are on your way to the pen hobby. I like Bic pens. Cheap but very reliable.
I am guilty of stretching out the springs to give the clicks of a pen more tension
Yeah, me too. Amateur pen engineering.
I have the jotter in stainless steel and a all metal matt finish black one and the plastic and metal combination one as well i like them. But i wasn't aware of the jotter pencil i think i need to get one for myself. Nice video and it was was a helpful one. Thanks.
Nice all in review Sal. Ty
i had so many of these over hte years, and I am disappointed in the colored metal ones. I had a dark green (metallic) one, and one with stainless steel top, copper-metal bottom, and with all the metal ones which are not fully stainless steel, the surface did not last more than a few weeks. the finish would start coming off around the tip (next to the writing nib) and get scratched. this happened to multiple of them, so i would not buy them again. i like the fully stainless steel one, or the stainless steel top and regular plastic bottom ones, since the plastic is the same color through and through even if it gets a scratch it doesn´t really show and it will look good for years.
does the pilot g2 refill fit the jotter?
No. The Parker style (iso g2) fits this pen.
I have the brushed stainless steel jotter, its too slim and slippery. The jotter XL is superior, I customised it by putting a rubber grip on it because the matt finish was still too slippery. Too bad the clip broke off.
Im using a zebra F-402 now with a zebra 701 tip so I can use it with fisher refills, lets hope the clip lasts longer.
Good day mate, do you know how to disassemble the plastic threaded part and take it out?
Nice video on the Jotter. Learned something.
You have the Jotter as a pencil ✏️ too. In twist or with a special pencil G2 refill. Maybe even more versions. Can you make a video on that too?
Yea I’ll have a think on it. I dont have many of these so it would be a tougher video to make. Good idea though
Is the old one called Jotter London?
At their lake home my grandparents had a box full of these we would use once in a while. A couple were broken however most all worked well and were nice condition. 1976-1987. About 75-100 were in the box. They are mine now, I had no idea they had/have any value. Guess I’m gonna find out soon. I do know there are several 1st gens in there. I remember using them as a kid
the first generation was made
for only one year 1954
easily identified as the lower
plastic body has vertical
lines scribed in the plastic
other than that
most consider any jotter
that has brass threads
to be of value and
made in USA
if you twist the top cap
and bottom and separate
them look inside the click
part and you will either see
brass threads or plastic
@@heyitMeMcFlyunfortunately most have the brass. They are all from various restaurants, bars, supper clubs, tourist attractions from all over the us. Found out my grandma was a pen collector. We played Yahtzee and other old school games with them. Thanks!
Is there no way to take apart the clicking mechanism?
Not that I know of
@Unsharpen you should take a look at Inoxcrom B-55
Please do a review on the Pentel RSVP. they have a cult following.
I really like the old style. Wish they would bring back the classic. The click top had the engraving that I adore and I like the slimness. I more of wish they would have kept the arrow from the classic and the click top engraving. The arrow chevrons seem cheap to me. It’s a cheap pen but the old style felt quite premium and I keep them close for that.
ebay has originals
for just a little more
than the cost of a
new france made
jotter
@@heyitMeMcFlyunfortunately I’ve found a few vintage that I’ve bought since then. They’re great and they look hardly used. They are relatively inexpensive. I can say that will be true in another 10 years when stock runs lower.
I'm a pen collector. Jotters don't do it for me. Thanks for sharing
What’s your go to then?
Most expensive pen at Staples .
But my parker is a twist barrel to extend the writing tip. Any ideaas of the parts list?
I have a Parker jotter ballpoint pen (mini version) with a missing metal clip. Where can I find a replacement metal clip? Thanks.
The plastic part of my Parker pen always tore off and fell apart after that the open were useless
this is the best pen
Hello, I'm pretty familliar with jotters but i bought an old onejust recently which has a pretty normal made in england stamp, except the font looks slightly horizontally 'stretched'. Also the button is domed outwards to a fairly smooth central point, and both the button and clip look way newer than the beat up barrel (like uncannily perfect). Questioning if it's fake, the main thing is the button as all the made in englands ive had have the domed inward button with the oval arrow logo.
Everything you need to know about the Parker Jotter ballpoint pen: Throw the Parker filler away and replace it with a Schmidt EasyFlow 9000 Hybrid Ballpoint Pen Refill. That's it.
Where so do I go to find more information about dating, brass threading, packaging? I know Im looking for USA but I’m wrong let me know.
unsharpen.com/pen/parker-jotter-ballpoint-pen/ might help?
@@unsharpen thank you. Solved a few puzzle pieces.
Fantastic video , great.
How is that Schneider refill in there?
Quite good!
I have two these pens. In this video at time 5:46 showing the logo. One of my pen showing the exact logo as the video shows but the other pen is showing a slanting p symbol. Can anyone please say are both of my pens are original parker itself.
i think vintages parker pens are more durable than modern parker todays
$8-$12?… yeah this must be before COVID 😂😊😅
Yeah, the prices on most videos have not aged well :/
The jotter is getting more n more “cheaper “ feel compared to to what I have 50years ago
Picked one up because of your last Parker review and loved it until I picked up a Rotring 600. Never looked back.
Are the plastic barrel interchangeable to the metal barrel?
the first year model only had a nylon barrel
I need a smooth fine point pen with dark ink for work. I do paperwork that requires me to write really small. My deposit record has very small boxes to write in. Initially I thought I wanted a rollerball as I like them best, but not sure if that's what I need in this situation. What would you recommend? Thank you.
If you are looking for a refill for your Jotter, I'd recommend the Ohto flash dry gel. Very thin line and very smooth. www.jetpens.com/Ohto-Flash-Dry-Gel-Pen-Refill-Black/pd/22302
Where do you buy a 1st year jotter stainless steel ballpoint pen?
Usually eBay is the only route but there are some parker specific vintage pen sellers
I'm so confused I have one with the dome top and black inside and it's made in france, but the clip looks exactly like the old one you showed at 4:16 (with more lines and stuff)
Sometimes people customize them and then there are always prototypes floating around.
the modern jotter made in france
is 'retro' so they made it like
the earlier jotters which is why
the top is rounded and the
clip is the way it is
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