WOW!! At 30:40 mention is made of an absolutely stunning automobile,, the 1953 Dodge Storm V250. What an amazing car! We see so many later model cars from many, many other auto manufacturers in the way ahead of it's time Fred Zeder Jr. styling in that car. The very distinctive open, flared wheelwells, the raked headlights ( recognize the 1965/66 GTO anybody?),, the split front bumper ( 1971 Camaro??), the low slung hood scoop, the push button door release (no door handles), and we're sure there were many, many other awesome features you did not have time to share I really want to learn more about that beautiful car that Chrysler tossed in the ideas can. They really blew it didn't they. Didn't matter the cost as I would bet many would have been built. Ohh well.
I noticed the Lander / Coronet hood and yes the gto style front. It definitely has the Italian coachbuilt feel. It was one of my highlights in this video.
Had never heard of or seen that car prior to seeing this vid. Thanks for pointing it out, I zoomed right to it, goggled a bit, then backed up and watched the rest of the vid. Amazing car. But although the body was nice, I don't see why it HAD to be built in Italy, it didnt look beyond the capabililty of American factories, and that kind of cost excess no doubt helped kill the concept. Shame!
@@johnshelton1141 I KNOW!!!!!!----THEY WOULD HAVE SOON SPLIT-UP!!!!!!!!!!! BECAUSE KAISER HAD AN EXPERIENCED CAR EXECUTIVE IN JOE FRAZER; --THE KAISER-FRAZER was named after him-& their MOST expensive product!!! JOE was INTERVIEWED BY THE MAGAZINE "COLECTABLE AUTOMOBILE in the 1980's, I OWN A COPY;---- MR. FRAZER basically said that HENRY J. KAISER would NOT TAKE HIS ADVICE!!!!!!!!! The most IMPORTANT advice was for KAISER to DEVELOP their OWN OHV -V-8; LIKE CADILLAC, OLDS, LINCOLN, & CHRYSLER , ALREADY HAD!!!!!!!!! KAISER was BUYING a 6 CYLINDER 110 Hp. GENERATOR engine-for a car in THE OLDS, & CHRYSLER price range; THOSE haveing 150 to 175 Hp., & increasing YEARLY!!!!!!!!! INSTEAD HENRY INSISTED upon modern styling & a compact car; --FRAZER QUIT HIM, BEFORE KAISER's MISTAKES caused the unavoidable sales COLLAPSE!!!!!!!!! TUCKER would have LEFT KAISER EARLIER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hardly, I know the story about Tucker, and this guy is not only ignorant, he is incredibly stupid. Being indicted for something doesn't mean you are guilty of anything as we see in the case of Tucker, the government was unable to prove a single thing against him, and not only that, the government shut his company down and ruined the man, for nothing. And since apparently a lot of people are ignorant and stupid they all did not understand how it happened or how the justice system works and so most people thought he was guilty of something.
I had a Corvair in the 1960s. It was one of the best cars I ever had of that era. The only other car that edged it out was the Volkswagen. The Corvair had a much better road feel than anything from Ford.
I had a couple corvairs (60 and 66) and a 62 Nova. In total the 62 Nova was much better than the 60 corvair. For handling/performance the 66 Corvair was best. If I put myself in the position of what most informed car buyers of the time who only have one car would want overall it would be the Nova because it did everything well. Our family also had a 64 Chevelle (283HO) which I would rank as one of best most balanced car designs of the era.
In the early sixties you could get a Corvair with a 150 horsepower turbo charged Flat 6 air-cooled motor what did Porsche have? An anemic four banger with 60 horsepower. Second generation Corsa came with either four carburetors or 180 horsepower turbo. A very Advanced car like nothing else in the United states.
It opens up an interesting conversation doesn't it? How about the Trabant? Truly one of the world's technically worst cars yet it gave transportation to millions.
The Corvair was one of the primary targetsipf Ralph Nader's "Unsafe At Any Speed" book which torpedoed several "targets" in the American auto industry.
Fantastic tour! I had the good fortune to visit the museum in 2007..to my surprise, many of the cars on display then - are in the vault now! Elvis's Pantera, Elton's Delehaye, the black Ferrari gifted to Henry Ford...great memories re-kindled. Thank you!
This presenter is the best of all of them. He really knows his stuff and shares a lot of very interesting facts about the cars and the companies. I hope he does more of these. Great show!!
I look forward to all your videos. Those of us who love classic cars, design, and history are really enjoying your tours during this time. Just fantastic. Thank you!
Daniel Burgess thanks, good thought:::: I am from WARSAW INDIANA, KIND Of a STUDEBAKER FAN( Nice Museum in S BEND In)......sneaking of business failures, etc.
Agreed, a few isolated examples of engineering (or more often, "not actually doing the engineering") failures, primarily business failures or outright fraud. Still loved the tour!
It's all the same thing. The lesson to be learned here is, to be a success in the car business takes a whole lot of different elements to come together: engineering, art, sentiments of the buyers, changing times, investment money, legal issues, competition, and even someone like Ralph Nader can destroy a car that otherwise is a success by convincing most people of something that isn't true. Countless things can lead to failure. Failure is indeed defined by whether profits exceed expenses. Without that, the project dies. Fails.
was this all done as one take? im impressed that you don’t seem to be using notes. i like the informal style. a lot of people would have ruined this with music and unnecessary editing. p.s. ok, now ive seen a cut. but i still get the feeling that it was just some walking footage that got cut.
Well done. A few were new to me. All had fascinating stories. Bravo! Most sound like they were created by Homer Simpson. "All my life, I have searched for a car that feels a certain way. Powerful like a gorilla, yet soft and yielding like a Nerf ball. Now, at last, I have found it. Homer, The Car Built for Homer."
I drove 1200 miles to go to this museum a few years ago! Went by myself and looked at every single car and read every placard.. I took hundreds of pictures!! Maybe the best place I've ever been to!! I did not go into the vault as it wasn't open, so these vids the last few days are awesome!! If you haven't been to the Peterson museum and you like cars, you need to go here at some point in your life.
Great presenter and educational. Didn’t know 3/4 of these and I thought “I knew” cars. Nope, just scratched the surface. And for Jason to talk without skippin’ a beat was awesome! Cheers from Maine 🍻
Thank you for posting this video. This guy is great! Jason is a wealth of information. I am so glad I watched this video. Please post more videos about the cars in your museum.
Thanks Jason and everyone at the Petersen! So interesting! I'm Learning so much from your tours and videos! And what an amazingly rich and varied collection of cars you have! ❤️ the Zeder .. so beautiful .. kind of logical that the firm behind such sublime styling, Bertone, would go on to be responsible for the Miura and the Countach .. but so sad that it exists now really in name only, not designing cars any more the way they used to .. so in another sense keeping with the today's theme. Isn't the world a richer place for all the adventurous souls following their dreams and making these cars real! 'til next time, take care everybody ... 😀 .. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 ... P.S. So looking forward to the Cars & Coffee next weekend !!!
The Peterson Museum has the most impressive collection. This cellar tour makes it even more impressive. I also saw a pipe organ display that was unexpectedly beautiful. I am sure to go back there again.....too many to see in one day.
Re: the Edsel. A friend of mine said his father won an Edsel by selecting the 7 LAST PLACE Horses at a Southern California horse racing track! Probably a joke by the race track promoters. I know my friend was driving his father's Edsel up until at least the 1970"s.
That last crazy story of the Dale/Revette sounds like it needs to be a Hollywood movie! Trying to push some lesser car, has it featured on the Price is Right, murder, flees to Texas, pushes it again, cease and desist, disappears, used to be a man, what? WHAT?!
Fascinating. I agree that the Zeder is exceptional, obviously influenced by the likes of Ghia, Pininfarina and Zagato, and unfortunately proof that the US car-buying public was too susceptible to the marketing whims of the majors and their excesses of flashy chrome, absurd body designs and multicolored paint jobs. I would love to see this car in action. Thanks for the tour.
Edsel was, really, not a bad car. My home town in Michigan used a '58 Edsel Villager station wagon as an ambulance until about '67. A family friend put over 100,000 miles on a '59 Edsel station wagon. The Edsel was often called "Mercury sucking a lemon" because of the horse collar grill. I also drove a second generation Corvair that belonged to a friend. I would never have bought one just because of how light on the front end it felt at only 65 MPH. Down right scary.
Edsel is just a rebodied Fairlane and those are completely reliable. I drive a 57 with 292 and adapted 5 speed. There's a Corvair resto shop near me. The owner has told me most people weren't aware they're supposed to run low (10psi?) In the front apparently 🤷♂️
The first-generation Corvair looks amazingly like an NSU Prinz. The second generation was a handsome and pleasant machine, especially when the engineers defeated the bean-counters and installed a double-jointed axle, rather than the crude but cheaper single joint.
I had a '66 Corvair Corsa with the turbocharged engine. Handled like a dream with some added weight in the trunk. The real drawback of the 'vairs was that they all leaked oil like a sieve.
What a collection!! You even have an International Scout!!! Truly impressive!!! I had never even heard of the Dodge Storm, and its a beauty. Thank you so much for sharing some of the cars with us.
@@janknuckey Hey, now! Don't mess with the mighty Pacer. Best of all was going to the local hang out in the Levi's edition especially when a cute pair of skin tight blue jeans was sitting on the hood. ;-) Better still was slipping away to some quiet and dark spot to watch "the falling stars" through that ginormous rear window. Stars, a few beers you stole from dad while listening to Venus and Aquarius on Rockin' AM and you were assured of at least second base! God, I miss bench seats and station wagons.
Very good and enjoyable presentation. Wouldn't have known all these stories,!! amazing and quite informative and all in one place. Brilliant.. Also, if I just couldn't see the video, only hearing the audio , I would have thought it is Tom Hanks (him of 'Angels & Demons' fame) speaking!!🤗
Thought you would have mentioned the Stanley Steamer. They refused to adapt to the demands for internal combustion engines by continuing to produce external combustion engines (steam), and fought back against other companies by putting out ads calling then "internal explosion engines".
Great video ! Thank you ! Excellent camera work! the camera guy pans to other cars that are fascinating even though their not part of this presentation. GM corrected the swing axle by making it double jointed, but after Unsafe At Any Speed was published, the damage was done. Any car can roll over; a double jointed axle Corvair can certainly out handle a lifted Jeep! and people still drive those....
I noticed all of your cars either have the convertible roof off or the windows down. Do you always leave them this way? How do you keep them from getting coated with a layer of dust? The inside and outsides all look very clean.
I didn't catch it, but was working for the "exclusive" san francisco dealership that was owned by one of his big investors. After checking it out and talking to Mike Corbin, I started asking a lot of questions on how it was going to be under $13K if each car had nearly $30K in it, he gave a speil about how many he's be building within a year and a bunch of other crap. Our demo car rolled over while the shop owner was driving, and the car was badly damaged. I knew the entire corbin motors was just a scam when he was showing a mockup of an engine being developed, one from the same company another scammer back in the early 90's was trying to sell off as the new Indian motorcycle company. That bastard Mike Corbin was lucky to keep his motorcycle accessory company after all that.
Great video, Great ending! I thought the failure of the Corvair was most people didn't know the front tires only took 10 pounds of air pressure. They would put in 28-32 pounds or more and lose control, especially in wet conditions.
@garth locklin Please! Ten pounds, give me a break. Any car with 10 lbs pressure in the front would be undrivable and dangerous. If you were attempting a joke, it wasn't funny. Try harder. If trolling then you got a response. Anyway, fascinating trip around an amazing car collection! Thanks! On to Corvairs... My first Corvair was a '62, the one with the swing axles. I upgraded the car with Fitch Sprint aftermarket springs, quick steering arms and better dampers. The recommended tire pressures were way too low. According to pro test drivers, If you put a lot of side loading on the rear tires, they would roll under and sometimes pop the bead, causing the wheel rim to dig into the pavement and flip the car. The car was happiest with thirty two lbs all around. In the races held as part of the Lake George Winter Carnival, in my very first race of any kind, I started the weekend last in class and finished the Sunday finale second in class after chasing the winner who was also driving another first gen, Corvair, I had just turned twenty one and the winner was probably in his late thirties. He was not amused when I went over to him to offer my congratulations. I managed to get the swing axles fully extended when I got cut off on a highway entrance ramp. I hit a sloping curb with the right side tires. After nearly flipping, I experienced the mother of all tank slappers as the swing axles ratcheted back down to their normal position. The rubber marks on the pavement were, ummm, interesting! It would have been ironic had I crashed it as I was to pick up an MGB the next day. For the few years I drove the MGB during spring, summer and fall, and drove the Corvair during the winter. I did get stuck in the Corvair one winter. The snow was over the hood though. During the seventies I ice raced three second generation Corvairs that I also drove on the road with not a single spin. Corvairs owned the rear engine rear wheel drive class. My Corvairs were not specially prepared for the ice like the faster Corvairs which were towed to the venues and were always up front. I ran around the upper part of the mid field runners. A pressure of about 28 to 32 lbs. was the "sweet spot" depending upon the ambient temperature and the concomitant pressure increase. In any event these cars were just fine in the rain and even better in the ice or snow. Incidentally, the rear suspension on the second version is pretty close to the rear suspension found on the Corvette. However the half shaft angles are incorrect. When driven hard, the outboard universal joints had to be replaced roughly every fifteen months or so. In total I owned probably five or six Corvairs over the years. Fun fact, for many years the SCCA D Production NE Division champion drove a Yenko Stinger. He generally buried the rest of the DP field back in the day. After the success with the 850 I quit ice racing to concentrate on racing formula cars in SCCA competition at such venues as Watkins Glen, Thompson, Speedway, Lime Rock Park and Bryar Motorsports park. I also took a Skip Barber three day racing school course and a three day advanced course. One of the students in the advanced course was Wally Dallenbach Jr. Operating on a shoestring budget, I only won one race in my Brabham BT-28/35 ex 1 liter F3 car, lots of top fives though. Later in Formula Ford my best finish was a third. After developing the car further my lap time increased to match the times of regional race winners. Then two races after setting up the car properly, the motor blew up at about 130 mph, my career took an down turn and I was out of racing. -dave
Zeder! Up the street from where I grew up a family had 2 Edsel's! Both white and turquoise, one sedan and one wagon. I never saw them move, parked in an open front car port and one day they where gone...
Be still my heart... That might be my old Corvair! Right color, right year... Ralph Nader was media seeking. GM fixed most, if not all of the identified issues. The 67 Corsia was awesome.
In 1980, I was fortunate to visit the Harrah's Auto collection in Reno, Nevada. Great collection that , unfortunately was scattered after Bill Harrah passed away.
The Dodge Zeder reminds me of the French Facel Vega and that car has a Chrysler V8 engine. Beautiful body work on the Zeda and the Chrysler gas turbine cars driven by the public also had their bodies made in Italy.
The Edsel was a committe design. I believe they were an OK car. But from a market viewpoint a bit like the "Srewdriver - hammer- compass- flashlight tool". Love the Dodge Zeder. (UK)
No, they weren't oK. My dad inherited a new Edsel when his father suddenly died in 1958. The AC went out the first month and the car would flood and stall more often than start cleanly. It got horrible gas mileage and was very much in the vein of the "American Barge" auto design. All around, a real turkey.
Man, what a great video! Quite a collection of wonderful and odd cars. I was going to watch a different vide but this one kept me glued to it. Thanks for the presentation, I learned a lot.
In my opinion the GenII Corvair 2dr Hardtop is one of the most attractive and best looking American cars of the mid 60s. Clean lines. Nothing overdone, still looks good today. The Dale. AMC door handles. I wonder what boneyard they dug those out of
Information is great. I love the info. The camera person needs to stop moving around so damn much. Its making me sea sick. Your shooting a documentary not a award winning movie. Stop with all the moving around zooming on and out. I don't need to see the ceiling or the floor just stand still or show the vehicle. Damn.
Early Corvairs only had one CV joint per side. That was a huge issue, would bury the rim into pavement on some turns. Later and converted models were fine
I'm seeing a lot of cars that failed for business reasons, not mechanical flaws and poor designs. In that sense, the cars didn't fail but rather the car companies. The video title is a little misleading.
The Cisitalia 202 Gran Sport was later revised and modernized in the 1970s and redesigned to fit atop Fiat 128 tooling as the Fiat Sport. It sold in far greater numbers than the 202 and it was aimed at the Opel Manta, Ford Capri and Toyota Celica. A Capri-like fastback came first, followed by a 3-door hatchback coupe with identical styling from the doors forward. Chevrolet replied to this Fiat 128 Sport with the Monza, during 1974, using basic Vega mechanical tooling.
The Porsche Typ 360 was a fully functioning Grand Prix car, not just an engine. It was based on ideas Porsche had for for Auto Union's 1940 season, which never happened of course. The car featured a mid-mounted 1.5L supercharged flat-12, a motorcycle-style sequential manual transmission and selectable all wheel drive. Porsche later rescued it from Argentina and is now restoring it and an unfinished second chassis.
34:00 Ford positioned the entry-level Edsel Ranger squarely between the most basic Ford and the step-up Fairlane, and the top-line Edsel Citation was priced between the highest-price Mercury model and the lowest-price models from Lincoln. The first-year Edsel basically competed with all of Ford's popular-price models from those competing with mid-line Plymouths to those competing with the Buick Roadmaster 75. Add Edsel's hideous styling and trouble-prone gadgets, and you have a recipe for failure.
Selden's 1877 patent is front wheel drive. So I think that qualifies as the first American front wheel drive car. Of course he didn't actually build a working one until he got into a patent dispute with Henry Ford.
Interesting. I remember the Dale saga when it played out originally. Looking at the prototype, I noticed that the "turn signals" up front are actually the Marelli front side marker lights on my Alfa! There's a pair of red ones in the back, too.
WOW!! At 30:40 mention is made of an absolutely stunning automobile,, the 1953 Dodge Storm V250. What an amazing car! We see so many later model cars from many, many other auto manufacturers in the way ahead of it's time Fred Zeder Jr. styling in that car. The very distinctive open, flared wheelwells, the raked headlights ( recognize the 1965/66 GTO anybody?),, the split front bumper ( 1971 Camaro??), the low slung hood scoop, the push button door release (no door handles), and we're sure there were many, many other awesome features you did not have time to share I really want to learn more about that beautiful car that Chrysler tossed in the ideas can. They really blew it didn't they. Didn't matter the cost as I would bet many would have been built. Ohh well.
I just got an Austin Martin DB feel from it... the only difference being, the DB has a more understated front...
I noticed the Lander / Coronet hood and yes the gto style front. It definitely has the Italian coachbuilt feel. It was one of my highlights in this video.
Had never heard of or seen that car prior to seeing this vid. Thanks for pointing it out, I zoomed right to it, goggled a bit, then backed up and watched the rest of the vid. Amazing car. But although the body was nice, I don't see why it HAD to be built in Italy, it didnt look beyond the capabililty of American factories, and that kind of cost excess no doubt helped kill the concept. Shame!
@@davidschmidt6013
Designed in Italy. We, the USA, can build it. But, the Italian coachbuilders were on another level.
Designed by Bertone
The level of detail from the presenter - without cue cards or crib notes - was VERY impressive!
What if Henry Kaiser had meant Preston Tucker?
@@johnshelton1141 There would be a Kaisier Tuckerente....instead we have Kaiser Permanente.
@@johnshelton1141 I KNOW!!!!!!----THEY WOULD HAVE SOON SPLIT-UP!!!!!!!!!!!
BECAUSE KAISER HAD AN EXPERIENCED CAR EXECUTIVE IN JOE FRAZER;
--THE KAISER-FRAZER was named after him-& their MOST expensive product!!! JOE was INTERVIEWED BY THE MAGAZINE "COLECTABLE AUTOMOBILE in the 1980's, I OWN A COPY;---- MR. FRAZER basically
said that HENRY J. KAISER would NOT TAKE HIS ADVICE!!!!!!!!!
The most IMPORTANT advice was for KAISER to DEVELOP their OWN
OHV -V-8; LIKE CADILLAC, OLDS, LINCOLN, & CHRYSLER , ALREADY HAD!!!!!!!!! KAISER was BUYING a 6 CYLINDER 110 Hp. GENERATOR
engine-for a car in THE OLDS, & CHRYSLER price range; THOSE haveing
150 to 175 Hp., & increasing YEARLY!!!!!!!!!
INSTEAD HENRY INSISTED upon modern styling & a compact car;
--FRAZER QUIT HIM, BEFORE KAISER's MISTAKES caused the unavoidable
sales COLLAPSE!!!!!!!!!
TUCKER would have LEFT KAISER EARLIER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Agreed! This gentleman is VERY knowledgeable about so many of the cars. Most impressive. I can barely keep track of my minuscule collection.
Hardly, I know the story about Tucker, and this guy is not only ignorant, he is incredibly stupid. Being indicted for something doesn't mean you are guilty of anything as we see in the case of Tucker, the government was unable to prove a single thing against him, and not only that, the government shut his company down and ruined the man, for nothing. And since apparently a lot of people are ignorant and stupid they all did not understand how it happened or how the justice system works and so most people thought he was guilty of something.
This guy knows his stuff, impressive! I subbed. He's done his homework!
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More incredible than the cars them selves is our wonderful guides knowledge of said cars. Brilliant! Zip~
That Tucker is a beautiful looking thing , m’kay? The Dodge Storm is just fantastic!
I had a Corvair in the 1960s. It was one of the best cars I ever had of that era. The only other car that edged it out was the Volkswagen. The Corvair had a much better road feel than anything from Ford.
I had a couple corvairs (60 and 66) and a 62 Nova. In total the 62 Nova was much better than the 60 corvair. For handling/performance the 66 Corvair was best. If I put myself in the position of what most informed car buyers of the time who only have one car would want overall it would be the Nova because it did everything well. Our family also had a 64 Chevelle (283HO) which I would rank as one of best most balanced car designs of the era.
In the early sixties you could get a Corvair with a 150 horsepower turbo charged Flat 6 air-cooled motor what did Porsche have? An anemic four banger with 60 horsepower. Second generation Corsa came with either four carburetors or 180 horsepower turbo. A very Advanced car like nothing else in the United states.
Seems a bit tough to call the Corvair a failure when they built 1.8 million of them.
It opens up an interesting conversation doesn't it? How about the Trabant? Truly one of the world's technically worst cars yet it gave transportation to millions.
I agree.
The Corvair was one of the primary targetsipf Ralph Nader's "Unsafe At Any Speed" book which torpedoed several "targets" in the American auto industry.
I thought the Corvair was a great car.
Many older Porches are tricky at speed, but belong in a niche market. I believe R.N. probably was right with regard to a mass market product.
Fantastic tour! I had the good fortune to visit the museum in 2007..to my surprise, many of the cars on display then - are in the vault now! Elvis's Pantera, Elton's Delehaye, the black Ferrari gifted to Henry Ford...great memories re-kindled. Thank you!
Very informative and interesting. One of the few 45 minute long UA-cam videos I've seen where I find myself wishing it had been longer.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This presenter is the best of all of them. He really knows his stuff and shares a lot of very interesting facts about the cars and the companies. I hope he does more of these. Great show!!
I look forward to all your videos. Those of us who love classic cars, design, and history are really enjoying your tours during this time. Just fantastic. Thank you!
Thanks so much for this video. I was surfing videos and found nothing of any interest, until this came along. Excellent! Thank you!
Should be titled "WORST CAR BUSINESS FAILURES." Most of those cars were good to very good.
Daniel Burgess thanks, good thought:::: I am from WARSAW INDIANA, KIND Of a STUDEBAKER FAN( Nice Museum in S BEND In)......sneaking of business failures, etc.
Agreed, a few isolated examples of engineering (or more often, "not actually doing the engineering") failures, primarily business failures or outright fraud. Still loved the tour!
It's all the same thing. The lesson to be learned here is, to be a success in the car business takes a whole lot of different elements to come together: engineering, art, sentiments of the buyers, changing times, investment money, legal issues, competition, and even someone like Ralph Nader can destroy a car that otherwise is a success by convincing most people of something that isn't true. Countless things can lead to failure. Failure is indeed defined by whether profits exceed expenses. Without that, the project dies. Fails.
@@DonTruman If a project is successful UNTIL it dies, is it really still a failure?
was this all done as one take? im impressed that you don’t seem to be using notes. i like the informal style. a lot of people would have ruined this with music and unnecessary editing.
p.s. ok, now ive seen a cut. but i still get the feeling that it was just some walking footage that got cut.
Love the Zeder- one of the most beautiful cars of all time, IMO. Thanks for sharing its story.
I thought it had a touch of Barris, no? Definitely a fave of mine in this tour, that and the '32 Ford.
I'd never heard of it, but it is a gorgeous car.
Well done. A few were new to me. All had fascinating stories. Bravo!
Most sound like they were created by Homer Simpson. "All my life, I have searched for a car that feels a certain way. Powerful like a gorilla, yet soft and yielding like a Nerf ball. Now, at last, I have found it. Homer, The Car Built for Homer."
I drove 1200 miles to go to this museum a few years ago! Went by myself and looked at every single car and read every placard.. I took hundreds of pictures!! Maybe the best place I've ever been to!! I did not go into the vault as it wasn't open, so these vids the last few days are awesome!! If you haven't been to the Peterson museum and you like cars, you need to go here at some point in your life.
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Great presenter and educational. Didn’t know 3/4 of these and I thought “I knew” cars. Nope, just scratched the surface. And for Jason to talk without skippin’ a beat was awesome! Cheers from Maine 🍻
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for posting this video. This guy is great! Jason is a wealth of information. I am so glad I watched this video. Please post more videos about the cars in your museum.
WOW..... This man knows his stuff! Absolutely amazing detailed knowledge! Bravo my friend, bravo!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks Jason and everyone at the Petersen! So interesting! I'm Learning so much from your tours and videos! And what an amazingly rich and varied collection of cars you have! ❤️ the Zeder .. so beautiful .. kind of logical that the firm behind such sublime styling, Bertone, would go on to be responsible for the Miura and the Countach .. but so sad that it exists now really in name only, not designing cars any more the way they used to .. so in another sense keeping with the today's theme. Isn't the world a richer place for all the adventurous souls following their dreams and making these cars real! 'til next time, take care everybody ... 😀 .. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 ... P.S. So looking forward to the Cars & Coffee next weekend !!!
Thank you Jason for this amazing tour. Very interesting stories behind these cars.
Awesome Video!!! Jason does an awesome job explaining this beautiful knowledge!! Thank you for sharing!!!
Very thorough and well put together tour, thank you so much!
Fantastic video! The Kaiser Darrin and Tucker Torpedo were both fantastic designs in their own way. Sad that neither were profitable:(-John in Texas
The Peterson Museum has the most impressive collection. This cellar tour makes it even more impressive. I also saw a pipe organ display that was unexpectedly beautiful. I am sure to go back there again.....too many to see in one day.
Awesome video!! Thanks for sharing your collection.
Thanks for watching!
Re: the Edsel. A friend of mine said his father won an Edsel by selecting the 7 LAST PLACE Horses at a Southern California horse racing track! Probably a joke by the race track promoters. I know my friend was driving his father's Edsel up until at least the 1970"s.
My favorite vault tour video. I like the perspective of what works and what doesn't work in the innovation of the changing automobile industry.
Very joyful afternoon watching this cool video!
Cool videos lately. I've been to the museum twice and loved it.
That last crazy story of the Dale/Revette sounds like it needs to be a Hollywood movie! Trying to push some lesser car, has it featured on the Price is Right, murder, flees to Texas, pushes it again, cease and desist, disappears, used to be a man, what? WHAT?!
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@@M4DesignUSA Wow.That really is quite the story.Straight out of daytime soaps meets mystery movie of the week.
Then disappeared and a TRANSVESTITE was arrested who impersonated both of them.
Great stories. Especially the last one.
This was fantastic! Thanks so much for the content we want!
I hope to make it over one day soon from the east coast!
Fascinating. I agree that the Zeder is exceptional, obviously influenced by the likes of Ghia, Pininfarina and Zagato, and unfortunately proof that the US car-buying public was too susceptible to the marketing whims of the majors and their excesses of flashy chrome, absurd body designs and multicolored paint jobs. I would love to see this car in action. Thanks for the tour.
Who wouldn't like to spend an entire day walking around there.
Thanks for the tour love all the cars in the background to
Edsel was, really, not a bad car. My home town in Michigan used a '58 Edsel Villager station wagon as an ambulance until about '67. A family friend put over 100,000 miles on a '59 Edsel station wagon. The Edsel was often called "Mercury sucking a lemon" because of the horse collar grill.
I also drove a second generation Corvair that belonged to a friend. I would never have bought one just because of how light on the front end it felt at only 65 MPH. Down right scary.
Edsel is just a rebodied Fairlane and those are completely reliable. I drive a 57 with 292 and adapted 5 speed.
There's a Corvair resto shop near me. The owner has told me most people weren't aware they're supposed to run low (10psi?) In the front apparently 🤷♂️
Amazing spectacle, very well presented.
You must be the smartest and knowledgeable car person I have ever listened to. Thanks for a lot of knowledge
I still have brochures of the Dale car. Their headquarters, the 2oth Century Motor Car Company was located on Ventura Blvd in Encino, Ca.
The first-generation Corvair looks amazingly like an NSU Prinz. The second generation was a handsome and pleasant machine, especially when the engineers defeated the bean-counters and installed a double-jointed axle, rather than the crude but cheaper single joint.
I had a '66 Corvair Corsa with the turbocharged engine. Handled like a dream with some added weight in the trunk. The real drawback of the 'vairs was that they all leaked oil like a sieve.
Great presentation , great narration , fantastic knowledge about cars. Thank you!
What a collection!! You even have an International Scout!!! Truly impressive!!! I had never even heard of the Dodge Storm, and its a beauty. Thank you so much for sharing some of the cars with us.
Far out headlights on the Ruxton at 6:05. Thanks for the tour.
I could spend days in there, awesome.
Maybe should have included the Delorean.
The Petersen hot rod museum has one there. It's on display 2nd floor above.
Or the Bricklin SV-1
I was waiting for a Pacer to be in there!
@@janknuckey Hey, now! Don't mess with the mighty Pacer. Best of all was going to the local hang out in the Levi's edition especially when a cute pair of skin tight blue jeans was sitting on the hood. ;-) Better still was slipping away to some quiet and dark spot to watch "the falling stars" through that ginormous rear window. Stars, a few beers you stole from dad while listening to Venus and Aquarius on Rockin' AM and you were assured of at least second base!
God, I miss bench seats and station wagons.
The Toronado . I was expecting it 100%.
@25:24 I agree Cisitalia 202 is lovely :)
Very good and enjoyable presentation. Wouldn't have known all these stories,!! amazing and quite informative and all in one place. Brilliant.. Also, if I just couldn't see the video, only hearing the audio , I would have thought it is Tom Hanks (him of 'Angels & Demons' fame) speaking!!🤗
Thought you would have mentioned the Stanley Steamer. They refused to adapt to the demands for internal combustion engines by continuing to produce external combustion engines (steam), and fought back against other companies by putting out ads calling then "internal explosion engines".
Great video ! Thank you ! Excellent camera work! the camera guy pans to other cars that are fascinating even though their not part of this presentation. GM corrected the swing axle by making it double jointed, but after Unsafe At Any Speed was published, the damage was done. Any car can roll over; a double jointed axle Corvair can certainly out handle a lifted Jeep! and people still drive those....
Thank you very much!
Yep, but unlike a Jeep, it looked like it may go round the odd corner, without too much near death.
Corvair was a sales success..more than 1,000,000 copies made...Nader did not kill the Corvair..It was Mustang with a hot V-8 for less money..
Very impressive tour and so educational! I haven't seen the Corvair in a long time glad you mentioned it on this tour.
Thanks for the tour Jason 👍
I noticed all of your cars either have the convertible roof off or the windows down. Do you always leave them this way? How do you keep them from getting coated with a layer of dust? The inside and outsides all look very clean.
You didn't mention the Corbin.
It's the little pinkish red bubble like thing beside the large pink and purple front drive car.
I didn't catch it, but was working for the "exclusive" san francisco dealership that was owned by one of his big investors. After checking it out and talking to Mike Corbin, I started asking a lot of questions on how it was going to be under $13K if each car had nearly $30K in it, he gave a speil about how many he's be building within a year and a bunch of other crap. Our demo car rolled over while the shop owner was driving, and the car was badly damaged. I knew the entire corbin motors was just a scam when he was showing a mockup of an engine being developed, one from the same company another scammer back in the early 90's was trying to sell off as the new Indian motorcycle company. That bastard Mike Corbin was lucky to keep his motorcycle accessory company after all that.
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Amazing classic cars, and very interesting, thankyou very much for the video :)
That was a lot of fun. Beautiful cars. Thank you so much.
I really enjoyed visiting the Petersen collection when I was in LA in August 2019.
Great video, Great ending! I thought the failure of the Corvair was most people didn't know the front tires only took 10 pounds of air pressure. They would put in 28-32 pounds or more and lose control, especially in wet conditions.
never had that problem
@garth locklin
Please! Ten pounds, give me a break. Any car with 10 lbs pressure in the front would be undrivable and dangerous. If you were attempting a joke, it wasn't funny. Try harder. If trolling then you got a response.
Anyway, fascinating trip around an amazing car collection! Thanks!
On to Corvairs...
My first Corvair was a '62, the one with the swing axles. I upgraded the car with Fitch Sprint aftermarket springs, quick steering arms and better dampers. The recommended tire pressures were way too low. According to pro test drivers, If you put a lot of side loading on the rear tires, they would roll under and sometimes pop the bead, causing the wheel rim to dig into the pavement and flip the car. The car was happiest with thirty two lbs all around.
In the races held as part of the Lake George Winter Carnival, in my very first race of any kind, I started the weekend last in class and finished the Sunday finale second in class after chasing the winner who was also driving another first gen, Corvair, I had just turned twenty one and the winner was probably in his late thirties. He was not amused when I went over to him to offer my congratulations.
I managed to get the swing axles fully extended when I got cut off on a highway entrance ramp. I hit a sloping curb with the right side tires. After nearly flipping, I experienced the mother of all tank slappers as the swing axles ratcheted back down to their normal position. The rubber marks on the pavement were, ummm, interesting! It would have been ironic had I crashed it as I was to pick up an MGB the next day. For the few years I drove the MGB during spring, summer and fall, and drove the Corvair during the winter. I did get stuck in the Corvair one winter. The snow was over the hood though.
During the seventies I ice raced three second generation Corvairs that I also drove on the road with not a single spin. Corvairs owned the rear engine rear wheel drive class. My Corvairs were not specially prepared for the ice like the faster Corvairs which were towed to the venues and were always up front. I ran around the upper part of the mid field runners.
A pressure of about 28 to 32 lbs. was the "sweet spot" depending upon the ambient temperature and the concomitant pressure increase. In any event these cars were just fine in the rain and even better in the ice or snow.
Incidentally, the rear suspension on the second version is pretty close to the rear suspension found on the Corvette. However the half shaft angles are incorrect. When driven hard, the outboard universal joints had to be replaced roughly every fifteen months or so.
In total I owned probably five or six Corvairs over the years.
Fun fact, for many years the SCCA D Production NE Division champion drove a Yenko Stinger. He generally buried the rest of the DP field back in the day.
After the success with the 850 I quit ice racing to concentrate on racing formula cars in SCCA competition at such venues as Watkins Glen, Thompson, Speedway, Lime Rock Park and Bryar Motorsports park. I also took a Skip Barber three day racing school course and a three day advanced course. One of the students in the advanced course was Wally Dallenbach Jr.
Operating on a shoestring budget, I only won one race in my Brabham BT-28/35 ex 1 liter F3 car, lots of top fives though. Later in Formula Ford my best finish was a third. After developing the car further my lap time increased to match the times of regional race winners. Then two races after setting up the car properly, the motor blew up at about 130 mph, my career took an down turn and I was out of racing.
-dave
That citrus orange/yellow color is fantastic.
Zeder! Up the street from where I grew up a family had 2 Edsel's! Both white and turquoise, one sedan and one wagon. I never saw them move, parked in an open front car port and one day they where gone...
Be still my heart... That might be my old Corvair! Right color, right year... Ralph Nader was media seeking. GM fixed most, if not all of the identified issues. The 67 Corsia was awesome.
In 1980, I was fortunate to visit the Harrah's Auto collection in Reno, Nevada. Great collection that , unfortunately was scattered after Bill Harrah passed away.
The Dodge Zeder reminds me of the French Facel Vega and that car has a Chrysler V8 engine. Beautiful body work on the Zeda and the Chrysler gas turbine cars driven by
the public also had their bodies made in Italy.
Jason rules! This might be my all-time favorite take on the vault tour.
Great presentation. Very educative and entertaining.
Interesting automotive history lecture. Well done Sir!😎🏁
The Edsel was a committe design. I believe they were an OK car. But from a market viewpoint a bit like the "Srewdriver - hammer- compass- flashlight tool". Love the Dodge Zeder. (UK)
No, they weren't oK. My dad inherited a new Edsel when his father suddenly died in 1958. The AC went out the first month and the car would flood and stall more often than start cleanly. It got horrible gas mileage and was very much in the vein of the "American Barge" auto design. All around, a real turkey.
Man, what a great video! Quite a collection of wonderful and odd cars. I was going to watch a different vide but this one kept me glued to it. Thanks for the presentation, I learned a lot.
Edsel....ultimate example of general public giving corporate hype a reality check.
Wow. It’s been years since I’ve been to the Petersen Museum and I obviously need to pay a visit soon. Thanks for the great stories on these cars.
Our pleasure!
Very interesting tour. Thank you Jason!
1975 Dale made by Liz Carmichael was on Unsolved Mysteries by Robert Stack and Aired on April 26 1989.
Very interesting tour.
In my opinion the GenII Corvair 2dr Hardtop is one of the most attractive and best looking American cars of the mid 60s. Clean lines. Nothing overdone, still looks good today.
The Dale. AMC door handles. I wonder what boneyard they dug those out of
The dale lol
yeah the Edsel also had every receding design trend, which didn't help. Looks amazing today, though, wow
You have my dream job! What a fascinating place to work, with so many exciting vehicles.
Information is great. I love the info. The camera person needs to stop moving around so damn much. Its making me sea sick. Your shooting a documentary not a award winning movie. Stop with all the moving around zooming on and out. I don't need to see the ceiling or the floor just stand still or show the vehicle. Damn.
Great Tour JASON!!!
Early Corvairs only had one CV joint per side. That was a huge issue, would bury the rim into pavement on some turns. Later and converted models were fine
I loved my 64 2 door , and 65 convertible 140 horse.
That was due to low tire pressure. 1962 Corvair spider, turbo charged and highway capable.
My favourite was the Ruxton. Very cool looking and yes, I'm sure those headlights would have been... disappointing.
I'm seeing a lot of cars that failed for business reasons, not mechanical flaws and poor designs. In that sense, the cars didn't fail but rather the car companies. The video title is a little misleading.
Well... that's what the presenter said
I really enjoyed the information from this video. I learned so much.! Thank You!
I hope when this gentleman was a child, someone asked him what he would like to be when he grows up and he described exactly this.
Fantastic. Very well done.
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Ok. I need about a 10 hour tour with you on these same cars....want to know more details of the cars themselves. Very intriguing!
The Cisitalia 202 Gran Sport was later revised and modernized in the 1970s and redesigned to fit atop Fiat 128 tooling as the Fiat Sport. It sold in far greater numbers than the 202 and it was aimed at the Opel Manta, Ford Capri and Toyota Celica. A Capri-like fastback came first, followed by a 3-door hatchback coupe with identical styling from the doors forward. Chevrolet replied to this Fiat 128 Sport with the Monza, during 1974, using basic Vega mechanical tooling.
See the Fiat 128 Sport. It was similar to the Cisitalia 202 Gran Sport but more modern in styling and it was far cheaper to build.
Great Video! Very educational and interesting, I did have to laugh every time he said okay because I felt I was on a guided tour by MR Mackey! 🤣
The purple-and-lavender car, gave me a chuckle, when he mentioned an Archie Andrews.
6:15 Ruxton?
Yea!..I started picturing a blundering buisnessman with red crosshatched hair!
Yeah I thought about the old comic books.
The Porsche Typ 360 was a fully functioning Grand Prix car, not just an engine. It was based on ideas Porsche had for for Auto Union's 1940 season, which never happened of course. The car featured a mid-mounted 1.5L supercharged flat-12, a motorcycle-style sequential manual transmission and selectable all wheel drive. Porsche later rescued it from Argentina and is now restoring it and an unfinished second chassis.
34:00 Ford positioned the entry-level Edsel Ranger squarely between the most basic Ford and the step-up Fairlane, and the top-line Edsel Citation was priced between the highest-price Mercury model and the lowest-price models from Lincoln. The first-year Edsel basically competed with all of Ford's popular-price models from those competing with mid-line Plymouths to those competing with the Buick Roadmaster 75.
Add Edsel's hideous styling and trouble-prone gadgets, and you have a recipe for failure.
Very interesting piece - thanks!
That Fisker Karma behind the Corvair is easy example of a modern failure. The Low sales and fire risk, cool car though
I don't care if Cisitalia is a failure but I would chose it over any Porsche. That is a artpiece on wheels.
33:30. one of my all time favorites...Frankenstude. What a goddamn waste that it's buried down there...with so many other gems
I always loved it too.....!
That's a damn good eye. My favorite wasn't mentioned either but it's in the vid. The jonkheere rolls.
Selden's 1877 patent is front wheel drive. So I think that qualifies as the first American front wheel drive car. Of course he didn't actually build a working one until he got into a patent dispute with Henry Ford.
What good car stories especially the "Dale" one!
Interesting. I remember the Dale saga when it played out originally. Looking at the prototype, I noticed that the "turn signals" up front are actually the Marelli front side marker lights on my Alfa! There's a pair of red ones in the back, too.
Best presentation i have seen from Petersens. You should do more. I have seen some i have had to turn off . If i hear ah ah ah i am gone LOL