To be honest I found this video really helpful! Always was struggling to bent the wire and looks like I was doing a mistake cos I was trying to bend it at the same time when was fitting main bar and I was feeling that doing something wrong 🤦♂️ Thank you for this video! 👍
Thank God, 4 u and ur instructions, I'm having my ceiling done because the old form tile has fallen out, people just want money and what u 2 go with their idea, I have my own....Thank you, I know now what he is talking about...
Great video on the how-to! Gives me better insight. Thanks for the tutorial. Cracks me up, though...the beginning of the video recommends safety glasses, yet at the 4:40 mark we're told to bend suspension wires at a 90 degree angles. So when safety glasses REALLY should be worn to prevent an eye being poked out, the demonstrator isn't wearing any. 🙃
While hanging these ceilings is not rocket science, it does involve a lot of fiddling. That is something that I cannot stand doing. That's why I hired someone to do it :-p
Are they saying you can set the actual ceiling height at 3" below joists to bottom of wall molding, or are they saying 3" from bottom of joists to the top of the wall molding?
So I have a room that is exactly 12 feet wide. If I understand correctly. I have to trim off a few inches of the main tee. This makes my main tee too short, and so I have to add a small section to every main tee. Who is the genius at Armstrong that did not design the 12 foot long main tee to fit a 12 foot wide or long room so that 6 2x2 tiles can be evenly spaced? Why are there no holes starting 24 inches from the factory edge? Please explain.
Well done. Thanks for the video! Is there a video on tips for cutting around protrusions? Installing a ceiling light? I'm doing a small laundry room and the furnace vent(s) need to be cut around.
by how much would you say this would reduce noise coming from upstairs Neighbours who are remodeling their apartment, doing a lot of moving, breaking things and using electric tools?
I always cut the perimeter tiles in first and then clip them down from above. This is a must over doorways as the wind and suction will move them about overwise. Then I put the full tiles in after
@@steveannetts9909 no it can’t man, long as you Rivet one side so it can’t pull, you put your full tiles in first, I set my half tiles that I use for border in, obviously can’t fit cause they aren’t cut right? So then I’ll use a long razor and trace scribe against my grid, I used to experience the same problem so I just wanted to weigh my own experience hoping I help someone else! Not knocking you!
@@TJPIZAZ No worries TJ. I was just thinking that if tile clipped then it will also mean no rivits if the grid is cut tight enough. Someone mentioned they didn't like the rivits in the chat. And there's also more than one way to skin a cat
@@steveannetts9909 always more than one way , but there’s always a more efficient way, but it takes trial and error rather than an opinion , though a trial from an opinion could take someone further, with great surprise as well. However as I’ve learned and was thought when I first began, you always put full tiles in first. You only really need to pop rivet when you’re taking out a section of ceilings
9:21 it's recommended to trim the main beams further if the grid is not square, but didn't we wire them into place already? Do we have disassemble everything we've built to achive this? Any help is appreciated! My square is off by about a half inch.
Setting a leveling wire to make the hangers all the same length only works if your joists are 16" on center. It doesn't work with a pre-engineered floor joist system where they can be 20" on center.
Wonderful summary; I wish, though, that it was slowed down just a bit - I had to stop, back up and restart several times to meld the narration and video. But then, I'm old.
@@chrismargarum6863lmao this comment though. So people should just never try to learn anything ever eh? Lol we need less people like this and more people trying to figure it out themselves. People charge way to much when sometimes they watching a video saves tons of money from the carpenter that just over changed them bc they didn’t know haha 😂
Or you could set a laser 7/8 above cieling hieght. Mark all the hangers with a black marker at once. Bend them on that point . Then all you have to do is throw in all your mains.
What if you want a drop ceiling but already have plasterboard on the ceiling and therefore cannot mount the brackets on the sides of the joists? I am planning a basement renovation project that will turn the room into a home cinema and so I am trying to add mass to the ceiling to dampen sound and a drop ceiling creates an additional air gap which helps with isolating sound. But if I don't have access to the sides of the joists is there an alternative for hanging ceiling of this type?
You have to push in/flatten one (or both) "teeth" that are keeping it locked in...that's the click you hear when you install it. There's one per side. Then wiggle it out and up a little and on a slight angle and it should come out. If you take one out and need to reinstall it, make sure to push/re-shape those "teeth" back out so they snap back in during reinsertion. Good luck!
Try your 45 cuts (unless you lap square with the factory hemmed edge) hemmed by cutting past the 45 and hemming with hands steamers for a hemmed 45, no rough miter cuts Leave your cuts or gold or laps away from main line of sight do your eye skips over the lap or miter, not mainly looking at the lower underlapping section of wall angle
💥💥 Maybe with a ceramic tile patten in a small shower but 1:18 in a good size ceiling no one will ever pick that up looking up at a drop ceiling. I do fine finish work and that’s not critical.
@@robmespeedy It goes between the floor joists above you. If you already have a finished ceiling, and you want to insulate, you may want to remove the finished ceiling first. If this is for noise and the ceiling is not already insulated, you'll end up with basically a hollow drum and will have to work that much harder to reduce the noise. If the existing ceiling is already adequately insulated and is an interior surface with conditioned air on both sides, and you are doing this for noise reduction, then you could use straps or netting to hold insulation up and still give yourself room between the new hanging ceiling and the insulation to run cables, insert/remove tiles, etc. If this is going in an attic or something else where the ceiling is an exterior surface/roof, you have other insulation concerns to deal with first. You don't want moisture trapped in between old drywall and new insulation (especially if existing insulation has a vapor barrier already). I'm not an insulation expert/pro, so consult someone who is in that case. In my basement office/studio, I've insulated between the joists above me, and am also using the 2x2 ceilume acoustic panels which have 2x2 foam sound insulation which sits on top of them. They are very lightweight, so no concerns holding that load up with a suspended grid, and because they are already 2x2, there's no need to maneuver odd-sized insulation batts around between hangers.
@@Psychlist1972 thank you so much for your detailed reply. I guess I should have been more specific with what I’m working on. My garage literally has no ceiling, it only has 4 beams going across. It looks almost impossible to frame it to add drywall so I was looking for an alternative for a ceiling and came upon this. The only thing is my garage gets extremely hot. So I’m kinda lost with how to go about insulating it.
@@robmespeedy Something like that is worth having a pro come in and at least make a recommendation to you. Just be clear on what you are requesting. Your options are going to vary based on how the roof is vented and whether or not you want to use the space up there. A drop ceiling is not a substitute for insulation. It won't really get you want you want there. Personally, I like high density spray foam directly on the inside of the roof (after adding in the appropriate vent channels), but again, it depends on your construction and venting. Insulation is one of those things that, if you don't know what you are doing, you can create a world of problems with moisture, mold, and more. The way one might frame for drywall, if you wanted that approach (after appropriate insulation) is to run furring strips perpendicular to the beams and attach the drywall to that. Or, you insulate the roof and have a cathedral ceiling (again, drywall) with some open beams below it. And, just to be clear again, I am not a pro. I've done a bunch of remodeling in my home, workshop, etc. but this is not my trade.
This is a good video, and thumbs up. You showed me just what an an immense hassle and faff this sort of ceiling is. I'm well and truly put off, so this was useful but probably not how you'd imagined. Despite and yet because of that, good video.
Yeah, you'll probably want an easier process hanging, taping, mudding, sanding drywall over 3 coats. Then all u have to do is put a coat of drywall primer and paint it, all above your head. This drop ceiling is a huge pain. 😆
Flee that Communist sht hole while you can. I fly out there once a year to visit the in laws, and have to scrub the filth of Communism off with steel wool when I get home.
If you’re looking for more details, you can read our full set of installation instructions here: www.armstrongceilings.com/content/dam/armstrongceilings/residential/installation/drop-ceiling-instructions-en.pdf
Best tip yet... Do not install drop ceiling everyone I've seen got ripped out, I personally ripped out three of them if it's in the basement leave it exposed you'll need to access your ductwork electrical and plumbing any other area just put wood paneling or tongue and groove it, ect nobody can stand the look of a drop ceiling and it will decrease your home's value
Really old ceiling tiles can sag for sure, especially if there's moisture. The rest here is just not true, or at least has no supporting evidence. I use the ceilume tiles in an armstrong grid. They look great, and are perfect for noise isolation.
The instruction is bad, if the room is out of square or bows and it bellies in the walls you would be pretty screwed, which is at least 95% of all rooms in my experience lol And you sentence is good enuff for you tube!! Imo
Do not buy this crap. I paid double the normal ceiling tiles because I thought they were more durable and I couldn’t be more wrong. It’s impossible not to chip them and scratch them. They mark just by leaning one against the wall. If you make a mistake you might as well throw the tile away. This world has gone from building made of granite to cheap paper houses that cost an arm and a leg. Do yourself a favour hire a dry waller. At least you can repair it and paint it.
@David li it's faster if you use a laser, makes things go faster. Wrapping those wires is mainly not allowed anymore. Most municipalities require a tighter group wrap.
To be honest I found this video really helpful!
Always was struggling to bent the wire and looks like I was doing a mistake cos I was trying to bend it at the same time when was fitting main bar and I was feeling that doing something wrong 🤦♂️
Thank you for this video! 👍
Thank God, 4 u and ur instructions, I'm having my ceiling done because the old form tile has fallen out, people just want money and what u 2 go with their idea, I have my own....Thank you, I know now what he is talking about...
Very useful now I know I shouldn’t do this myself
great video I'm an interior architecture student and am watching this to understand how suspended ceilings work. Very helpful
Thanks so much for this video! Showed me exactly how to hang the ceiling!
Great video on the how-to! Gives me better insight. Thanks for the tutorial.
Cracks me up, though...the beginning of the video recommends safety glasses, yet at the 4:40 mark we're told to bend suspension wires at a 90 degree angles. So when safety glasses REALLY should be worn to prevent an eye being poked out, the demonstrator isn't wearing any. 🙃
While hanging these ceilings is not rocket science, it does involve a lot of fiddling. That is something that I cannot stand doing. That's why I hired someone to do it :-p
Perfect video with awesome instructions 👌 thanks a million
Drop ceilings make it easy to rewire devices and check for leaks etc. Just keep some tile spare in case you dont find them later in stock.
Very good suggestions. I will keep that in mind.
Thanks for this instructional video! I'm ready to start working on my basement.
Thanx for the clear instructions. Im installing my first false ceiling today. Will let u know how it went. Greetings.
Well, how did it go?
@@3Gdogger hey....it went great!!! Thanx for the support by posting this video!!! Awesome help fro u!!
I just came here to figure out out to get the tiles in the ceiling, they would not fit in! Thanks for showing how to tilt them, im such an idiot 😂
this is a good job as ive seen old drop cielings be not square because ity was probaly installed loose
Are they saying you can set the actual ceiling height at 3" below joists to bottom of wall molding, or are they saying 3" from bottom of joists to the top of the wall molding?
So I have a room that is exactly 12 feet wide. If I understand correctly. I have to trim off a few inches of the main tee. This makes my main tee too short, and so I have to add a small section to every main tee. Who is the genius at Armstrong that did not design the 12 foot long main tee to fit a 12 foot wide or long room so that 6 2x2 tiles can be evenly spaced? Why are there no holes starting 24 inches from the factory edge? Please explain.
Well done. Thanks for the video! Is there a video on tips for cutting around protrusions? Installing a ceiling light? I'm doing a small laundry room and the furnace vent(s) need to be cut around.
by how much would you say this would reduce noise coming from upstairs Neighbours who are remodeling their apartment, doing a lot of moving, breaking things and using electric tools?
Helpful video, but I was searching for hints on hanging a heating and cooling vent through the ceiling tile.
If you have cracks coming in a few of the tiles can you remove it of come you tape it with clear tape ?
You just gave me an idea that I was struggling with. Thank you.
i have concrete walls. is there a way to put up side moldings without having to drill into the cinder block? Good video. ty
you can either use a nail gun but besides that probably not
I always put the middle tiles first, then at the end the edges, this will ensure that the ceiling is square and everything fits without pressure
Why
I always cut the perimeter tiles in first and then clip them down from above. This is a must over doorways as the wind and suction will move them about overwise. Then I put the full tiles in after
If you frame it right your tiles don’t move from anything , if you frame the borders too loose that happens
@@TJPIZAZ It has to be just right though or over cutting them and wedging them in pushes the grid out of square
@@steveannetts9909 no it can’t man, long as you Rivet one side so it can’t pull, you put your full tiles in first, I set my half tiles that I use for border in, obviously can’t fit cause they aren’t cut right? So then I’ll use a long razor and trace scribe against my grid, I used to experience the same problem so I just wanted to weigh my own experience hoping I help someone else! Not knocking you!
@@TJPIZAZ No worries TJ. I was just thinking that if tile clipped then it will also mean no rivits if the grid is cut tight enough. Someone mentioned they didn't like the rivits in the chat.
And there's also more than one way to skin a cat
@@steveannetts9909 always more than one way , but there’s always a more efficient way, but it takes trial and error rather than an opinion , though a trial from an opinion could take someone further, with great surprise as well. However as I’ve learned and was thought when I first began, you always put full tiles in first. You only really need to pop rivet when you’re taking out a section of ceilings
9:21 it's recommended to trim the main beams further if the grid is not square, but didn't we wire them into place already? Do we have disassemble everything we've built to achive this? Any help is appreciated! My square is off by about a half inch.
Your work is really good
Thanks to show, how to fix grid ceiling.....
Very good work
Good job explaining
And now I know. And knowing is half the battle!
Setting a leveling wire to make the hangers all the same length only works if your joists are 16" on center. It doesn't work with a pre-engineered floor joist system where they can be 20" on center.
Wonderful summary; I wish, though, that it was slowed down just a bit - I had to stop, back up and restart several times to meld the narration and video. But then, I'm old.
Has nothing to do with being old I'm 25 and I had to restart the video more times than that😁
lol im 22 years old. and i do exactly as you do. we just hide is well.
I'm running it at .5 speed as it's too fast for anybody to follow.
Were you planning on doing the entire job in 13 min and 28 seconds?
Lot of thanks
Good morning....thank you..its nice tutorials.
I learned a lot!
Great video. Thank you!
These videos always make me laugh. Make it so much harder for people actually trying to do this
Not being a SmartAss but is there a better video?
Wasn't that hard for me, if you dont ha e any basic carpentry skills maybe you should just hire someone. It's pretty basic to me.
Put your gloves and safety glases on
Yeah , how about you make us a good video, it will be much appreciated sir !
@@chrismargarum6863lmao this comment though. So people should just never try to learn anything ever eh? Lol we need less people like this and more people trying to figure it out themselves. People charge way to much when sometimes they watching a video saves tons of money from the carpenter that just over changed them bc they didn’t know haha 😂
Or you could set a laser 7/8 above cieling hieght. Mark all the hangers with a black marker at once. Bend them on that point . Then all you have to do is throw in all your mains.
Good idea thanks
Does not come out perfectly flat their are geometric indications of planning failure
informative. Thank you.
Does this get rid of foot steps upstairs?
What if you want a drop ceiling but already have plasterboard on the ceiling and therefore cannot mount the brackets on the sides of the joists?
I am planning a basement renovation project that will turn the room into a home cinema and so I am trying to add mass to the ceiling to dampen sound and a drop ceiling creates an additional air gap which helps with isolating sound. But if I don't have access to the sides of the joists is there an alternative for hanging ceiling of this type?
Plaster spikes for your wires?
Same problem
I suppose youve found your solution?
excellent
How do you remove a two-foot damaged cross frame? I know they “click” when installed, however I can’t seem to get it out.
You have to push in/flatten one (or both) "teeth" that are keeping it locked in...that's the click you hear when you install it. There's one per side. Then wiggle it out and up a little and on a slight angle and it should come out. If you take one out and need to reinstall it, make sure to push/re-shape those "teeth" back out so they snap back in during reinsertion. Good luck!
Try your 45 cuts (unless you lap square with the factory hemmed edge) hemmed by cutting past the 45 and hemming with hands steamers for a hemmed 45, no rough miter cuts
Leave your cuts or gold or laps away from main line of sight do your eye skips over the lap or miter, not mainly looking at the lower underlapping section of wall angle
Thanks you teacher
💥💥 Maybe with a ceramic tile patten in a small shower but 1:18 in a good size ceiling no one will ever pick that up looking up at a drop ceiling. I do fine finish work and that’s not critical.
Very good 👍🤠
Great video 🙂thks
Do the ones on either side of the corner first then the corner of revel tile
Simple and clear 👍👍
What if you want to add insulation above it? How would you go about that?
Do that first.
@@Psychlist1972 but doesn’t the insulation rest above the ceiling?
@@robmespeedy It goes between the floor joists above you. If you already have a finished ceiling, and you want to insulate, you may want to remove the finished ceiling first. If this is for noise and the ceiling is not already insulated, you'll end up with basically a hollow drum and will have to work that much harder to reduce the noise. If the existing ceiling is already adequately insulated and is an interior surface with conditioned air on both sides, and you are doing this for noise reduction, then you could use straps or netting to hold insulation up and still give yourself room between the new hanging ceiling and the insulation to run cables, insert/remove tiles, etc.
If this is going in an attic or something else where the ceiling is an exterior surface/roof, you have other insulation concerns to deal with first. You don't want moisture trapped in between old drywall and new insulation (especially if existing insulation has a vapor barrier already). I'm not an insulation expert/pro, so consult someone who is in that case.
In my basement office/studio, I've insulated between the joists above me, and am also using the 2x2 ceilume acoustic panels which have 2x2 foam sound insulation which sits on top of them. They are very lightweight, so no concerns holding that load up with a suspended grid, and because they are already 2x2, there's no need to maneuver odd-sized insulation batts around between hangers.
@@Psychlist1972 thank you so much for your detailed reply. I guess I should have been more specific with what I’m working on. My garage literally has no ceiling, it only has 4 beams going across. It looks almost impossible to frame it to add drywall so I was looking for an alternative for a ceiling and came upon this. The only thing is my garage gets extremely hot. So I’m kinda lost with how to go about insulating it.
@@robmespeedy Something like that is worth having a pro come in and at least make a recommendation to you. Just be clear on what you are requesting. Your options are going to vary based on how the roof is vented and whether or not you want to use the space up there. A drop ceiling is not a substitute for insulation. It won't really get you want you want there.
Personally, I like high density spray foam directly on the inside of the roof (after adding in the appropriate vent channels), but again, it depends on your construction and venting.
Insulation is one of those things that, if you don't know what you are doing, you can create a world of problems with moisture, mold, and more.
The way one might frame for drywall, if you wanted that approach (after appropriate insulation) is to run furring strips perpendicular to the beams and attach the drywall to that. Or, you insulate the roof and have a cathedral ceiling (again, drywall) with some open beams below it.
And, just to be clear again, I am not a pro. I've done a bunch of remodeling in my home, workshop, etc. but this is not my trade.
What about cutting diagonal border tiles with a scribe
This is a good video, and thumbs up. You showed me just what an an immense hassle and faff this sort of ceiling is. I'm well and truly put off, so this was useful but probably not how you'd imagined. Despite and yet because of that, good video.
Yeah, you'll probably want an easier process hanging, taping, mudding, sanding drywall over 3 coats. Then all u have to do is put a coat of drywall primer and paint it, all above your head. This drop ceiling is a huge pain. 😆
Very good
Good job !!
good one
so professional!
I tried to; repair popco;rn ceiling using HOMAX CEILING TEXTURE got my hand covered with the crap but nexer touched the ceiling
Moito bom amigo, bom trabalho!!
i like how my wall trim didn't have any pre-drilled holes :/
wow really good
Dewalt laser level 150 dollars will help the job way more I been doing grid for 8 years
Looks like a nightmare for a more uneven basement like I have to do.
Have you heard about Teg Tabs?
nice job sir
thank you
What is the purpose of the string line at time stamp 7:40?
To keep the main straight
good
What if I have a 12' 6" x 12' 6" room. The main beams are only 12 feet long.
You cut another main you can connect mains together as long as you want
You can go 50 feet if you want
Wow super
terima kasih
Nice,
it seems easier and faster putting drywall
This instalation, is not up california, building, code.
Flee that Communist sht hole while you can. I fly out there once a year to visit the in laws, and have to scrub the filth of Communism off with steel wool when I get home.
The ceiling became so low 😢
gracias desde honduras
Wheres the sound?!
مممتاز احسنت
Tooop
Main Beam.
Cross Beam.
Cross Ts
bien
هوا سقف ثانوي عادي ليش كل هالصعوبه بالعمل
Beacause they do Professional job that last long not crapy jobs
Is it safe when earthquake occur?
Depends, but if current municipality laws are followed yes.
I couldn't drag the HDMI cable from Point A to Point B over the Ceiling. By the time I lift the first ceiling, I couldn't do it.
WTF are joists? My ceiling is reinforced concrete :D
Totally lost
Difficulty : EASY
😘
Those wire ties are not right those loop are terrible ......amatuersss
Yeah they will never hire an actual professional to video these installations
That's how u do it at ur jobs dont lie
@@shanoemichael4439 sure
@@dukethekiddjr.russell8831 who u work 4
@@shanoemichael4439 I work for a company owned by me and my Son
Pop rivets - you must be joking. What a mess that will look.
It would be so much better if the narrator would talk twice as fast, skip even more details, and show even less important footage.
You can speed it to twice as fast through the YT controls.
If you’re looking for more details, you can read our full set of installation instructions here: www.armstrongceilings.com/content/dam/armstrongceilings/residential/installation/drop-ceiling-instructions-en.pdf
Lmao
Hello no good pas terrible la pose du plafond Armstrong beaucoup de choses cloches . Un poseur à la retraite bye
Very complicated
uh...drywall instead of this.
Best tip yet... Do not install drop ceiling everyone I've seen got ripped out, I personally ripped out three of them if it's in the basement leave it exposed you'll need to access your ductwork electrical and plumbing any other area just put wood paneling or tongue and groove it, ect nobody can stand the look of a drop ceiling and it will decrease your home's value
Really old ceiling tiles can sag for sure, especially if there's moisture. The rest here is just not true, or at least has no supporting evidence.
I use the ceilume tiles in an armstrong grid. They look great, and are perfect for noise isolation.
69th comment 😎😎😎
Looks like a pain in the arse , I'm just gonna frame an open grid with strips of wood 10x easier than this madness
I think this instruction is bad. Your specific recommendations would make more sense if you communicate what the objectives are.
The instruction is bad, if the room is out of square or bows and it bellies in the walls you would be pretty screwed, which is at least 95% of all rooms in my experience lol
And you sentence is good enuff for you tube!! Imo
With an idiot's call me
Fucking garage ceiling ....
Do not buy this crap. I paid double the normal ceiling tiles because I thought they were more durable and I couldn’t be more wrong. It’s impossible not to chip them and scratch them. They mark just by leaning one against the wall. If you make a mistake you might as well throw the tile away. This world has gone from building made of granite to cheap paper houses that cost an arm and a leg. Do yourself a favour hire a dry waller. At least you can repair it and paint it.
😫🤣🤣🤣😰😰😰😰.... no! This is slow and not code compliant
@David li it's faster if you use a laser, makes things go faster. Wrapping those wires is mainly not allowed anymore. Most municipalities require a tighter group wrap.
Why tf am I watching this