I loved how Isha immediately latches onto Jinx despite very much picking up on the dangerous aura she exudes, just like Jinx once did with Silco. And also, the fact that Jinx dismantled the boxing game machine that she so associated with Vi in order to build Sevika's new arm feels like her intent is for Sevika to fill that hole of "big sister" in her heart left by Vi. And between this gesture and seeing Jinx's grief for Silco, Sevika finally realized that Jinx isn't just the irreverent loose canon she always saw her as.
I do think the dismantling of the machine is significant. Rather than filling the hole with sevika thou. I think it's more so jinx is learning to be independent from her sister.
@@newbielongboarder And this is so sad, that Vi was robbed of this by circumstance, stolen away from Powder and placed in prison for the next 7 years.
"the hope to repair things set against the shame of breaking them" What a beautifully poignant, simple and elegant way to put it. Barely 2 minutes in and I'm already sold lol!
One of the things that struck me about the bit where she tells Isha “if you ever need to curse a sibling […] a society” was this wasn’t just Jinx being a ‘villain’ intro… this was Jinx beating herself up, these are her core beliefs as my psychiatrist would put it. She believes she’s a jinx, a curse, that all everything she touches, everything that gets close to her, everything she cares about, is cursed, is jinxed. It’s not said with bravado. It’s said with resignation as if it is merely a fact and on offer should someone need it because that’s all she’s good for. At her core, this is what Jinx believes herself to be and that’s what she accepted at the end of season one when she sat down in that chair and told Vi “I thought you could love me like you used to, even though I’m… different. But you’re different too. So here’s to the new us.” Does she want desperately to fix things? Yes, there’s something in her that still is driven to fix things “it was something I could fix”, but every time she tries things get worse and this reinforces her core belief that she is a jinx and she’s now accepted this and is numb and ‘dead inside’, ready to die “I’m ready”, passively suicidal “no matter what I do, I just can’t seem to die”… But there is also something else of that acceptance and that is an ability to move on from certain things, a steadiness she didn’t have before because she hadn’t accepted herself wholly, had clung so strongly to the past. In letting go of Powder and embracing Jinx, accepting herself and that she truly had changed and could not go back, she found herself, she might not like or love herself, but she found herself… Is that steadiness only caused by her numbness? We don’t yet know, but so far her breaks from reality are far less than in the previous season. Thank you for the wonderful video. 💙💜
Brilliant point! I'd argue it is still bravado as well as beating herself up. The bravado bit is the defence of "but I don't really care" when she definitely does, but this is a beautifully written comment
@@mylittlethoughttreeI agree, bravado can definitely be seen in that moment with the tone itself being less than. Put up the wall, say the words, hope others don’t see through them to the core of you, to your pain. And perhaps I hear the sigh of resignation in the scene more clearly because it resonates so strongly to me. I look at Jinx and I see a reflection of my feelings, the ones I can never find words for, staring back at me. The ones 25 years of therapy have helped me surface and begin to understand, but that I still struggle with. And thanks, I try hard to find words… writing them is much easier than actually speaking them. I look forward to more of your videos.
another cool small detail that i read somewhere that someone pointed out was that in LoL when jinx dies she falls down and her braids form a heart on the floor, and just before she lets go of silco her braids also start forming a heart, pretty much like she's dead inside in that moment
I love how everyone was bracing to get smashed with emotional trauma in s2 act 1 with PTSD from how s1 act 1 ended but instead the character development so far has been much more... subtle in its presentation (except for Caitlyn lol). Definitely agree, she outwardly is apathetic to the chaos around her and is perhaps putting on a front of not caring about fixing Zaun when clearly she actually does. The one thing I DO truly believe she gave up on at the end of last season though is the hope that Vi would love her like she loved Powder.. that things could go back. I loved the symbolism of her taking apart the boxing machine, a symbol of inadequacy and childhood trauma from last season (see the scene where she tried to beat Vi's score), and using it to create something chaotic, sure, but thoughtful and nice for Sevika. To me that scene, the fact that we never saw Mylo hallucinations, and her mostly calm/present demeanor shows that she really has gotten over that PART of her childhood trauma.
@@mylittlethoughttree 😂 Spoilers for Star Trek V: Sybok was a Vulcan, and was Spock's half-brother. Instead of embracing logic, as most Vulcans do, Sybok embraced emotion, and used his mind-meld powers to cleanse others of their pain and anguish. He amassed a small army in the process. (A major point of the movie is a repudiation of this, with the idea being that we need our pain to make us who we are. ...Come to think of it, while it's mostly a bad movie, that idea might be worth discussing...)
Me and a few others with BPD have honestly never really felt like we were seen before Jinx and while I’m not armchair diagnosing her, she does come off as more bpd than schizophrenic but either way having a character with mental health portrayed in not a complex way is so good Also would make a worldanvil but I already did that last time you made a video and mentioned it! Love it!
I see her as showing signs of both BPD as well as schizoaffective disorder (Schizophenia + severe Depression) or just Schizophenia, if the reocurring depressive episodes and harming intentions are more corelated to the BPD acting up. Thinking patterns and beliefs can be (but don’t have to be) pretty similar between Schizophenia and BPD…
13:13 did you say Zuko's plan instead of Silco? 😂 would be funny given how both have facial scar given by their loved ones and the experince changing them and putting them on a villain arc and becoming gray characters😂😂
13:44 I think another cool thing about the depiction of mental illness in Arcane, is that it doesn't makes oversimplifications of a single diagnosis or condition. As a matter of fact, it specifically seems to me that the writers purposefully resist giving any character consistent symptoms of a definitive diagnosis. I've seen discussion threads where people do try to pigeon-hole Jinx; as bipolar or BPD, or schizoaffective; and it struck me that none of them fit exactly, there are always scenes that contradict anything conclusive. I can't imagine this could be accidental. It also fits because real patients can't and shouldn't be reduced to their condition.
This episode convinced me to get the rumored new Jinx Hot Toy. Trauma and anguish and damage-prone to the point of numbness has never been so well drawn, and her runny mascara and micro changes in her expressions built on the special rig are so subtle, she looks more human than anyone else in the show or any animated character created. As someone with inattentive ADHD, exhaustion caused by the costant anguish and guilt of messing up and breaking things and not being able to hold my own and do simple tasks right, Jinx is a trooper. Also, I never noticed almost every background frame showing where she’s headed has green spray painted hourglasses somewhere on it🤔
I think if Jinx does realize she needs to put everything back together, to "fix" what she has broken, it makes sense she would team up with Sevika after their talk in Silco's office. Jinx does not know how to fix the undercity, so she is avoiding caring about the problem. But then she sees Sevika trying her best to put it all back together, and that gives Jinx an idea: "If I team up with Sevika, she can show me what I need to do and I can help her achieve it." This is in line with Jinx's character throughout season 1. Vi knew what to do, Powder helped her do it. Silco knew what to do, Powder/Jinx helped him do it. Now Sevika knows what to do, so she once again has someone to guide her to the solution. I think season 2 will be about Jinx coming to the realization *she* is the one responsible for coming up with what she has to do, and allowing other people to help her do it, a complete reversal of her role in season 1.
cant wait for the video about ep3 have you ever thought about doing full episode breakdowns for this show? i know those take A LOT of time and work so its understandable why you might not want to do them but i think they'd be really enjoyable to watch (+ other viewers might think so too!!)
I would love to at some point! Even now, I'd have loved to make full episode breakdowns but when they're releasing 3 episodes each week, and it'd take me a week to do that in depth, I'd fall behind in time. But definitely want to make some bigger, more general videos about certain characters or themes
what a brilliant revelation about the paradox of Jinx's character! I certainly didn't think of it in such eloquent terms, but I was also thinking how interesting that for all the bad she was not being as bad as she thought. I have such conflicted feelings about Jinx/Powder...perhaps it's because I have dealt with some mental issues myself (thankfully not to such an extent, without so much, umm, death...) But being alone due to your own actions is still lonely. Maybe she doesn't deserve one, but I wonder if we are going to see a redemption arc (or something cooler and more original) for her...
Isha is deaf. She can't hear the scary things Jinx says and she follows her because she saved her. So what the show tells us is "don't listen to what Jinx says, read her face and see what she does and you will be able to see her as she really is". Most teenagers are like that. Harsh words in order to appear strong but kind and vulnerable inside.
I would marry Jinx and we take that kid and start a family. Then Cait and Vi get together and we all move somewhere. That would be fun. Like that table scene but we all get along maybe for weekly dinners.
0:19 this is so annoying... Why we as a fandom have collectively accepted one of the reasons Viktor leaves is because Jayce has created hextech weapon?? This is not true! In this scene we see him reaching out and taking Skye's notebook! This is about her! The papers we see next to it are just sheets of (now Vi's) gloves - which were already created in act 2! If Viktor is unhappy with something related to hextech, it's only that Jayce didn't destroy the hexcore. Y'all people want to believe your own narrative so bad
It's definitely about Skye, yeah, the show is quite clear in showing us shots of her, but that doesn't mean it's exclusively that. I don't see why we need to take a black and white approach to it, Viktor takes a moment to look at the blueprints. He comments on the two of them having taken different paths. Making weapons is Jayce's path far more than not destroying the hexcore. He didn't destroy it solely because he panicked about Viktor dying and wanted to save him, that wasn't an act done with thought about his path for the future. The weapon blueprints are an important signal to show how much more Jayce has changed beyond just wanting to save his friend
Also I will say as a person with mental health issues... Jinx is the best portrayal of what I go through that I have ever seen! When people ask what it's like to deal with the delusions I have I immediately point them to arcane season 1. The way they depict reality falling apart is so accurate I cried when I first watched because it did what my words never could.
There's two options: either she loses yet another person due to her actions, or she finally breaks the 'Jinx' curse and this is the reason why that hype teamup towards the end happens as she finally forgives herself.
@@Sergioshi_ I really hope it's the forgiving herself option... But I don't see it going that way... I just keep going back to the fiddlesticks line from the game "all your fault all your fault!"
Personally I think Jinx is the cliqué “I am sooooo crazy!” character. The things she goes through on series one aren’t enough to have become what she becomes. The guilt hallucinations are so corny I couldn’t even handle it. On top of that, she has to constantly act up the “look how crazy I am! I’m so quirky x d”.
If "crazy" is all you associate with Jinx's character, I can only imagine how shallow everyone else seems to you. Most of her "quirky" moments aren't written to be that. There's no humor in the writing, and she's not performing for anyone in most of those scenes.
@crazy13alex Everytime she leans into the "I'm crazy" thing, she's just falling into how others view her. People constantly talk about how unstable she is and I feel like she intentionally plays it up to validate her self loathing. But she is also genuinely playful which is somewhat separate from her other issues and is just how she is.
I don't think you realize just how wrong you are, especially when it comes to comparison between Jinx and other portrayals of madness in other titles. I also wonder if you're saying this as a non-League of Legends player/enjoyer, rather just a tourist, because everyone who's got a background in LoL expected very specific things of Jinx and got all of that yet so much more.
The things we see her go through are more than enough i think. We can also see she already wasn’t very okay mentally and self esteem wise. Moreover, the things we see her go through are one thing, but Silco most definitely played a part in who she is now. We can see he has been molding her all those years she was with him. I think “the cliche quirky crazy girl” is so wrong and shows you just really didn’t get it…
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I loved how Isha immediately latches onto Jinx despite very much picking up on the dangerous aura she exudes, just like Jinx once did with Silco. And also, the fact that Jinx dismantled the boxing game machine that she so associated with Vi in order to build Sevika's new arm feels like her intent is for Sevika to fill that hole of "big sister" in her heart left by Vi. And between this gesture and seeing Jinx's grief for Silco, Sevika finally realized that Jinx isn't just the irreverent loose canon she always saw her as.
I do think the dismantling of the machine is significant. Rather than filling the hole with sevika thou. I think it's more so jinx is learning to be independent from her sister.
I love this.
Great point!
She is her big sister. She saw Jinx grow. She was present. More time than Vi ever was
@@newbielongboarder And this is so sad, that Vi was robbed of this by circumstance, stolen away from Powder and placed in prison for the next 7 years.
I CAN'T BELIEVE I forgot to mention how good her voice acting is this season. It's impeccable
Yes! She is amazingly good bro
So true very good
"the hope to repair things set against the shame of breaking them"
What a beautifully poignant, simple and elegant way to put it. Barely 2 minutes in and I'm already sold lol!
One of the things that struck me about the bit where she tells Isha “if you ever need to curse a sibling […] a society” was this wasn’t just Jinx being a ‘villain’ intro… this was Jinx beating herself up, these are her core beliefs as my psychiatrist would put it. She believes she’s a jinx, a curse, that all everything she touches, everything that gets close to her, everything she cares about, is cursed, is jinxed. It’s not said with bravado. It’s said with resignation as if it is merely a fact and on offer should someone need it because that’s all she’s good for. At her core, this is what Jinx believes herself to be and that’s what she accepted at the end of season one when she sat down in that chair and told Vi “I thought you could love me like you used to, even though I’m… different. But you’re different too. So here’s to the new us.” Does she want desperately to fix things? Yes, there’s something in her that still is driven to fix things “it was something I could fix”, but every time she tries things get worse and this reinforces her core belief that she is a jinx and she’s now accepted this and is numb and ‘dead inside’, ready to die “I’m ready”, passively suicidal “no matter what I do, I just can’t seem to die”…
But there is also something else of that acceptance and that is an ability to move on from certain things, a steadiness she didn’t have before because she hadn’t accepted herself wholly, had clung so strongly to the past. In letting go of Powder and embracing Jinx, accepting herself and that she truly had changed and could not go back, she found herself, she might not like or love herself, but she found herself… Is that steadiness only caused by her numbness? We don’t yet know, but so far her breaks from reality are far less than in the previous season.
Thank you for the wonderful video. 💙💜
Brilliant point! I'd argue it is still bravado as well as beating herself up. The bravado bit is the defence of "but I don't really care" when she definitely does, but this is a beautifully written comment
@@mylittlethoughttreeI agree, bravado can definitely be seen in that moment with the tone itself being less than. Put up the wall, say the words, hope others don’t see through them to the core of you, to your pain. And perhaps I hear the sigh of resignation in the scene more clearly because it resonates so strongly to me. I look at Jinx and I see a reflection of my feelings, the ones I can never find words for, staring back at me. The ones 25 years of therapy have helped me surface and begin to understand, but that I still struggle with. And thanks, I try hard to find words… writing them is much easier than actually speaking them. I look forward to more of your videos.
another cool small detail that i read somewhere that someone pointed out was that in LoL when jinx dies she falls down and her braids form a heart on the floor, and just before she lets go of silco her braids also start forming a heart, pretty much like she's dead inside in that moment
I love how everyone was bracing to get smashed with emotional trauma in s2 act 1 with PTSD from how s1 act 1 ended but instead the character development so far has been much more... subtle in its presentation (except for Caitlyn lol).
Definitely agree, she outwardly is apathetic to the chaos around her and is perhaps putting on a front of not caring about fixing Zaun when clearly she actually does. The one thing I DO truly believe she gave up on at the end of last season though is the hope that Vi would love her like she loved Powder.. that things could go back. I loved the symbolism of her taking apart the boxing machine, a symbol of inadequacy and childhood trauma from last season (see the scene where she tried to beat Vi's score), and using it to create something chaotic, sure, but thoughtful and nice for Sevika. To me that scene, the fact that we never saw Mylo hallucinations, and her mostly calm/present demeanor shows that she really has gotten over that PART of her childhood trauma.
Her letting Silco to just drown/go was heartbreaking, I just can't imagine her pain
"Victor turning into Moses"
Y-yeah! Moses! I wasn't gonna go with 'Sybok' or anything
Y-yeah! I'm hearting the comment because my star trek knowledge is impeccable and I definitely know who that is 😆
@@mylittlethoughttree 😂
Spoilers for Star Trek V:
Sybok was a Vulcan, and was Spock's half-brother. Instead of embracing logic, as most Vulcans do, Sybok embraced emotion, and used his mind-meld powers to cleanse others of their pain and anguish. He amassed a small army in the process. (A major point of the movie is a repudiation of this, with the idea being that we need our pain to make us who we are. ...Come to think of it, while it's mostly a bad movie, that idea might be worth discussing...)
Me and a few others with BPD have honestly never really felt like we were seen before Jinx and while I’m not armchair diagnosing her, she does come off as more bpd than schizophrenic but either way having a character with mental health portrayed in not a complex way is so good
Also would make a worldanvil but I already did that last time you made a video and mentioned it! Love it!
as another bpd haver I def agree
I see her as showing signs of both BPD as well as schizoaffective disorder (Schizophenia + severe Depression) or just Schizophenia, if the reocurring depressive episodes and harming intentions are more corelated to the BPD acting up. Thinking patterns and beliefs can be (but don’t have to be) pretty similar between Schizophenia and BPD…
13:13 did you say Zuko's plan instead of Silco? 😂 would be funny given how both have facial scar given by their loved ones and the experince changing them and putting them on a villain arc and becoming gray characters😂😂
I heard zilko lmao 😭
13:44 I think another cool thing about the depiction of mental illness in Arcane, is that it doesn't makes oversimplifications of a single diagnosis or condition. As a matter of fact, it specifically seems to me that the writers purposefully resist giving any character consistent symptoms of a definitive diagnosis. I've seen discussion threads where people do try to pigeon-hole Jinx; as bipolar or BPD, or schizoaffective; and it struck me that none of them fit exactly, there are always scenes that contradict anything conclusive. I can't imagine this could be accidental. It also fits because real patients can't and shouldn't be reduced to their condition.
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This episode convinced me to get the rumored new Jinx Hot Toy. Trauma and anguish and damage-prone to the point of numbness has never been so well drawn, and her runny mascara and micro changes in her expressions built on the special rig are so subtle, she looks more human than anyone else in the show or any animated character created. As someone with inattentive ADHD, exhaustion caused by the costant anguish and guilt of messing up and breaking things and not being able to hold my own and do simple tasks right, Jinx is a trooper. Also, I never noticed almost every background frame showing where she’s headed has green spray painted hourglasses somewhere on it🤔
I think if Jinx does realize she needs to put everything back together, to "fix" what she has broken, it makes sense she would team up with Sevika after their talk in Silco's office. Jinx does not know how to fix the undercity, so she is avoiding caring about the problem. But then she sees Sevika trying her best to put it all back together, and that gives Jinx an idea: "If I team up with Sevika, she can show me what I need to do and I can help her achieve it." This is in line with Jinx's character throughout season 1. Vi knew what to do, Powder helped her do it. Silco knew what to do, Powder/Jinx helped him do it. Now Sevika knows what to do, so she once again has someone to guide her to the solution. I think season 2 will be about Jinx coming to the realization *she* is the one responsible for coming up with what she has to do, and allowing other people to help her do it, a complete reversal of her role in season 1.
I love Jinx so much, she's my favourite character
Me when Vi
cant wait for the video about ep3 have you ever thought about doing full episode breakdowns for this show? i know those take A LOT of time and work so its understandable why you might not want to do them but i think they'd be really enjoyable to watch (+ other viewers might think so too!!)
I would love to at some point! Even now, I'd have loved to make full episode breakdowns but when they're releasing 3 episodes each week, and it'd take me a week to do that in depth, I'd fall behind in time. But definitely want to make some bigger, more general videos about certain characters or themes
@@mylittlethoughttreeplease do!
I love your chanel and this video was very insightful about Jinx, I really didn’t catch the irony at first. Thank you!
I love these vids! Great work.
what a brilliant revelation about the paradox of Jinx's character! I certainly didn't think of it in such eloquent terms, but I was also thinking how interesting that for all the bad she was not being as bad as she thought.
I have such conflicted feelings about Jinx/Powder...perhaps it's because I have dealt with some mental issues myself (thankfully not to such an extent, without so much, umm, death...)
But being alone due to your own actions is still lonely.
Maybe she doesn't deserve one, but I wonder if we are going to see a redemption arc (or something cooler and more original) for her...
Isha is deaf. She can't hear the scary things Jinx says and she follows her because she saved her. So what the show tells us is "don't listen to what Jinx says, read her face and see what she does and you will be able to see her as she really is". Most teenagers are like that. Harsh words in order to appear strong but kind and vulnerable inside.
I dont think jinx is a villain
I’m watching this while making my jinx cosplay
this was great, i'm so glad you gave arcane a shot!!
I loved this video ❤️❤️
Love this type of vids
I would marry Jinx and we take that kid and start a family. Then Cait and Vi get together and we all move somewhere. That would be fun. Like that table scene but we all get along maybe for weekly dinners.
I also S2 Arcane!! wait...
Silco's funeral 😢
0:19 this is so annoying... Why we as a fandom have collectively accepted one of the reasons Viktor leaves is because Jayce has created hextech weapon?? This is not true!
In this scene we see him reaching out and taking Skye's notebook! This is about her! The papers we see next to it are just sheets of (now Vi's) gloves - which were already created in act 2!
If Viktor is unhappy with something related to hextech, it's only that Jayce didn't destroy the hexcore. Y'all people want to believe your own narrative so bad
It's definitely about Skye, yeah, the show is quite clear in showing us shots of her, but that doesn't mean it's exclusively that. I don't see why we need to take a black and white approach to it, Viktor takes a moment to look at the blueprints. He comments on the two of them having taken different paths. Making weapons is Jayce's path far more than not destroying the hexcore. He didn't destroy it solely because he panicked about Viktor dying and wanted to save him, that wasn't an act done with thought about his path for the future. The weapon blueprints are an important signal to show how much more Jayce has changed beyond just wanting to save his friend
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I know what's going to happen but I really don't want it to.... Jinx is going to kill that little girl isn't she... Or at least get her killed.
Also I will say as a person with mental health issues... Jinx is the best portrayal of what I go through that I have ever seen! When people ask what it's like to deal with the delusions I have I immediately point them to arcane season 1. The way they depict reality falling apart is so accurate I cried when I first watched because it did what my words never could.
Yeah, jinx is gonna get her killed and be all the more broken by it. Probably.
There's two options: either she loses yet another person due to her actions, or she finally breaks the 'Jinx' curse and this is the reason why that hype teamup towards the end happens as she finally forgives herself.
@@Sergioshi_ I really hope it's the forgiving herself option... But I don't see it going that way... I just keep going back to the fiddlesticks line from the game "all your fault all your fault!"
Jinx is going to turn that girl into a hamster, isn't she...
Personally I think Jinx is the cliqué “I am sooooo crazy!” character.
The things she goes through on series one aren’t enough to have become what she becomes.
The guilt hallucinations are so corny I couldn’t even handle it. On top of that, she has to constantly act up the “look how crazy I am! I’m so quirky x d”.
If "crazy" is all you associate with Jinx's character, I can only imagine how shallow everyone else seems to you. Most of her "quirky" moments aren't written to be that. There's no humor in the writing, and she's not performing for anyone in most of those scenes.
@crazy13alex Everytime she leans into the "I'm crazy" thing, she's just falling into how others view her.
People constantly talk about how unstable she is and I feel like she intentionally plays it up to validate her self loathing.
But she is also genuinely playful which is somewhat separate from her other issues and is just how she is.
She literally killed ALL her family including Silco
I don't think you realize just how wrong you are, especially when it comes to comparison between Jinx and other portrayals of madness in other titles. I also wonder if you're saying this as a non-League of Legends player/enjoyer, rather just a tourist, because everyone who's got a background in LoL expected very specific things of Jinx and got all of that yet so much more.
The things we see her go through are more than enough i think. We can also see she already wasn’t very okay mentally and self esteem wise. Moreover, the things we see her go through are one thing, but Silco most definitely played a part in who she is now. We can see he has been molding her all those years she was with him.
I think “the cliche quirky crazy girl” is so wrong and shows you just really didn’t get it…