@@anjelica948 Jess of the Shire has an excellent video titled 'Bards: The Most Misunderstood Class' that I would highly recommend watching to both learn some interesting history and to hopefully gain some inspiration.
@@user-mu8ok5xf8d Yep. Signs point to College of Tragedies Bard and either a Oath of the Ancients or Oath of the Watchers Paladin. Reason being because he cast Moonbeam, which is a spell both 5th level OotA and OatW paladins can get
He makes the cast feel complete. Which is weird as I never thought they were missing anything before, yet he fits in so well that I fully believe they’ll feel incomplete without him in the future.
@lindseysharon259 I find it interesting how the man that in Guilty Gear, plays the guy who knows too much and is the reason everything is how it is, but I find it fun to see one of my favorite fighting game character's voice actor be in something else I enjoy: DnD
@@sparksjedi0694Looking into all their voice acting careers yields some pretty fun results. My personal favorite is Laura and Travis in Full Metal Alchemist. I won't go into what it is because of spoilers, but realizing that a married couple voiced those two specific characters is kind of amazing.
Yes! While I'm of course so glad that Sam is okay and well enough to return to the main show, I hope this doesn't mean that Robbie will just be another brief guest appearance. This session especially sealed how much he's been missing from the group and his presence adds!
I read over the spell. It doesn’t require an initial saving throw. It just happens 😭 so they couldn’t use a legendary resistance even if it wanted to lol
@@sanchez.25 That's absolutely false. Casting Irresistible Dance prompts a Wisdom Save from the target, per the spell description. Matt should have used a legendary resistance. Read correctly next time.
@@Beau74 Wrong. Otto's Irresistible Dance just happens, the Wisdom saving throw is an action the affected creature has to take on its turn to end the spell effect.
Man, if I hard a nickel for every time a bard on Critical Role used magic to force an incredibly powerful outerworld entity to riverdance, I'd have two nickels! Which isn't a lot, but it's weird it happened twice!
very fun considering brennan is gonna be now the other flying city i wonder how fun that'll be that brennan is like pre calamity games whilst aabria is like side dlc adventures
Matt and the players didn't realize this, and I don't blame them because it's so unusual for a spell in 5e, but there _isn't_ an initial save for _Irresistible Dance._ Hence, "Irresistible". The target just starts dancing.
@@J-Vasa the main show will always be using D&D rules. they are only using their own rules for a new show they started. they will never fully abandon D&D or that would be like financial suicide. Theyde lose the majority of their fans.
@@J-Vasa Nah they just didn't fully read and forgot the spell this time. Sam did this spell as Scanlan before in Search for Grog episode and in that battle he actually read the spell so realised that there was no initial saving throw to resist it. It's not so much that they don't stick the rulebook but rather they just don't remember all the rules and spells, and more often than not, don't fully read their spells and items. Also they are usually using DND beyond and other tools to help with their games, those tools have had mistakes before such as when in Campaign 1, Marisha had Keyleth used Wind Walk to turn them all into clouds, but the casting time was wrong in the tool she was using vs the PHB.
I'd probably forgive Robbie on this one. It's probably stressful keeping that one on track as a (technically) new player and being in his first liveshow 😅
This was such a spoiler as I'm still massively behind on episodes, but it was so worth it. I love Dorian as a character and Robbie is adorable as player on the table. If we get a new campaign after this one, I actually hope he is able to be a permanent member. Which is incredible difficult with schedules, but he is such a joy to watch.
I think besides Exu: Calamity, this may be the best thing they've done. This is definitely my favorite live show with Marisha's Beau being eaten and buried as the second favorite. Because that "Please don't kill me at a live show!!!" followed by "and then he burrows into the ground." Is just.....perfect.
YEEEEESSSS!!! I knew someone would make this a clip!!! I gave myself a timestamp in the comments just to watch this scene over and over! Thank you!!! I love you!❤
this right here is exactly why not only Dorian is an amazing addition to Bells Hells but also Robbie himself is an even better addition to the whole group
Otto's Irresistable Dance doesn't have a saving throw when you cast it. It automatically works which is why the spell is so good. The creature doesn't get a saving throw until the end of their turn which means they spend the entire turn dancing. Therefore even creatures with Legendary Resistance have to skip that turn which is absurdly strong. (Although this is changing in 2024 player's handbook.)
I mean the ruled otto’s irresistible dance wrong but hey that’s still badass. Why you don’t always need to get all the rules right to have epic moments.
@@hunter559I might pay or I might not pay. It's up to them to change my mind. What they are doing now is straight out gatekeeping practices. Fans have already supported them by taking the costs of producing the animated show on their shoulders. CR is earning the LoVM revenue at no cost of production. No other company has that luxury.
DC = 8 + spell level (6) + casting modifier (apparently only +2) meaning either a 14 or a 15 in his casting skill. Don’t you need your skill to be a high enough level to cast, I.e. 16 to cast 6th level spells? Or am I missing something/conflating my more extensive 3.5 knowledge with 5e?
Yeah nah I think you're mixing it up with something else. 5e spell save DC is just 8 + proficiency + spell casting modifier (charisma in this case), and spell levels are tied purely to class level (i.e. full casters get 6th level spell slots at level 11)
Yeah you are wrong. As others said it is 8+ PB + spellcasting ability mod. For Bards, Paladins, Sorcerers, and Warlocks it is Charisma. So at level 13 it would be 8 + PB (5) + Charisma Mod (16, so 3), so 16. To Counterspell or Dispel Magic (both 3rd level spell), automatically stop spells of an equal or lesser level. If you try to stop a higher level spell (say a 5th level spell) the DC is the level of the spell + 10. The player roles an ability check (D20) and adds their spell mod. You can always up cast Counterspell and Dispel Magic at a higher slot if you have them.
@@TinW00dsmanInOz how would that be broken??? Having a negative modifier for your main casting stat would be shooting yourself in the foot with a freaking Mossberg 500, especially when your high enough level to cast 9th spells, all your spell attacks and spell DCs would be abysmal, you would miss attacks all the time and every enemy would succeed your spell saves. Granted, most 9th levels spells don't require either of those, but for the few that does, like Meteor Swarm and Blade of Disaster, it would be disastrous. So no, it would not be broken, it would be absolutely asinine to have a caster with negative modifiers as a casting stat, 9th level spells be damned.
Robbie saying “I’m a bard I’m a bard” I felt that as someone that has played a bard 😂
Gets me hype to play a bard
SAME!😂
I really want to see Laura play a bard in Campaign 4!
As someone who wants to play a bard but is terrified to do so (bc my IRL charisma is low), this resonates Deeply.
@@anjelica948 Jess of the Shire has an excellent video titled 'Bards: The Most Misunderstood Class' that I would highly recommend watching to both learn some interesting history and to hopefully gain some inspiration.
Sam being the first College of Tragedies Bard is so in character
Did he do a paladin bard
@@user-mu8ok5xf8di believe so yes
@@user-mu8ok5xf8dfrom the sounds of it, yes. Cause he did use lay on hands to heal Orym.
@@user-mu8ok5xf8d Yep. Signs point to College of Tragedies Bard and either a Oath of the Ancients or Oath of the Watchers Paladin. Reason being because he cast Moonbeam, which is a spell both 5th level OotA and OatW paladins can get
I always thought it would be Liam but this makes much more sense in hindsight 😂
God I hope Robbie stays as a permanent addition to the cast, this is AMAZING
the GOAT.
He makes the cast feel complete. Which is weird as I never thought they were missing anything before, yet he fits in so well that I fully believe they’ll feel incomplete without him in the future.
@lindseysharon259 I find it interesting how the man that in Guilty Gear, plays the guy who knows too much and is the reason everything is how it is, but I find it fun to see one of my favorite fighting game character's voice actor be in something else I enjoy: DnD
@@sparksjedi0694Looking into all their voice acting careers yields some pretty fun results. My personal favorite is Laura and Travis in Full Metal Alchemist. I won't go into what it is because of spoilers, but realizing that a married couple voiced those two specific characters is kind of amazing.
Yes! While I'm of course so glad that Sam is okay and well enough to return to the main show, I hope this doesn't mean that Robbie will just be another brief guest appearance.
This session especially sealed how much he's been missing from the group and his presence adds!
"He forgets to use his Legendary Resistance" such a kind and benevolent DM
I read over the spell. It doesn’t require an initial saving throw. It just happens 😭 so they couldn’t use a legendary resistance even if it wanted to lol
@@sanchez.25 That's absolutely false. Casting Irresistible Dance prompts a Wisdom Save from the target, per the spell description. Matt should have used a legendary resistance. Read correctly next time.
@@sanchez.25wait you’re do right, it’s an action to shake off lol
@@Beau74 Wrong. Otto's Irresistible Dance just happens, the Wisdom saving throw is an action the affected creature has to take on its turn to end the spell effect.
@@Beau74 You're not just wrong, you were rude about it. Maybe you should read spell descriptions before commenting on youtube.
After the whole “Dance Bitch” scene I think anyone who has the ability to make the guy fail felt obligated to help the bad guy fail
Marisha had a silvery barbs on standby I think, just in case.
You have to just on principle, that moment can NOT be lost.
@@stingerjohnny9951Yeah that whole sequence almost demanded the guy to fail for our sweet and prized blue boy
Man, if I hard a nickel for every time a bard on Critical Role used magic to force an incredibly powerful outerworld entity to riverdance, I'd have two nickels! Which isn't a lot, but it's weird it happened twice!
It was also so kind of Matt to forgot to use a Legendary Resistance to nullify it
i have to admit i love that sam went: ok so gods are a hot topic right now....im going to worship arguably the most evil god
You know, that does seem like a Sam thing to do. 😂
very fun considering brennan is gonna be now the other flying city i wonder how fun that'll be that brennan is like pre calamity games whilst aabria is like side dlc adventures
Arugmeble??
Arugmeble, the newest Zambian word
Argueably
Matt and the players didn't realize this, and I don't blame them because it's so unusual for a spell in 5e, but there _isn't_ an initial save for _Irresistible Dance._ Hence, "Irresistible". The target just starts dancing.
“As an action, a dancing creature makes a Wisdom saving throw to regain control of itself. On a successful save, the spell ends.”
@@J-Vasa Yes, but that doesn't happen when the spell is cast, like most spells. You don't get a free save, you have to spend an action resisting it.
@@66Rosesyeahh but they don’t entirely stick to the rulebook, they have been slowly moving away from 5e and using their own rules
@@J-Vasa the main show will always be using D&D rules. they are only using their own rules for a new show they started. they will never fully abandon D&D or that would be like financial suicide. Theyde lose the majority of their fans.
@@J-Vasa Nah they just didn't fully read and forgot the spell this time. Sam did this spell as Scanlan before in Search for Grog episode and in that battle he actually read the spell so realised that there was no initial saving throw to resist it. It's not so much that they don't stick the rulebook but rather they just don't remember all the rules and spells, and more often than not, don't fully read their spells and items.
Also they are usually using DND beyond and other tools to help with their games, those tools have had mistakes before such as when in Campaign 1, Marisha had Keyleth used Wind Walk to turn them all into clouds, but the casting time was wrong in the tool she was using vs the PHB.
“SIXTEEN TO SAVE! DANCE B1TC#!!!!!”
when they animate this they should have him fumbling and readying the mandolin like a AR before shooting the spell
That would be INSANE! 😂
That save roll isn't rolled until the targets turn in the initiative. They dance until their turn. Not even a Legendary Save can get around that!
Yeah, absolutely correct. Made for a very cool moment, though. Sometimes the best situations arise from mistakes.
And on top of that, actually being able to roll that save takes an action on your turn. That's why the spell is 6th level.
In the nine year history of Critical Role, no one has ever actually read a spell and they ain't gonna start now :P
I'd probably forgive Robbie on this one. It's probably stressful keeping that one on track as a (technically) new player and being in his first liveshow 😅
My favorite part of all of this......Otto's Dance automatically happens for a turn because it's Irresistible. But Robbie plays such a great bard.
No? It doesn’t.
@@D_Booneplay a bard, it definitely does. It’s a save to get out of it but they just start dancing. It’s irresistible :)
Matt's face at 3:08 going from full-on laughter to locked-in seriousness in .02 seconds slays me every time.
Ever since Robbie came in to the CR group he just elevates everyone. And seeing everyone get giddy for him it just wonderful as well :)
Please don't get rid of Robby's character.
I'm pretty sure they wont. He's staying till the end of the campaign unless he's dies or something
Why would they?
Please don’t get rid of robbie period 😂
But think of the emotional damage! Delicious…
Please don't give Matt ideas😂😂😂@@mortimeir_9540
2 bards in a group can by very op with single tgt stacking buff debuff
"Paint THAT Frazetta"
Just looked him up, that’s such a Liam Art Dad pull
Braius and Dorian are gonna be a menace in future battles for sure!
They'll be unstoppable 😂
This was such a spoiler as I'm still massively behind on episodes, but it was so worth it. I love Dorian as a character and Robbie is adorable as player on the table. If we get a new campaign after this one, I actually hope he is able to be a permanent member. Which is incredible difficult with schedules, but he is such a joy to watch.
The best part is "This song is only one minute long!"
2:18 So it’s the Toothless dance meme
I think besides Exu: Calamity, this may be the best thing they've done. This is definitely my favorite live show with Marisha's Beau being eaten and buried as the second favorite. Because that "Please don't kill me at a live show!!!" followed by "and then he burrows into the ground." Is just.....perfect.
YEEEEESSSS!!! I knew someone would make this a clip!!! I gave myself a timestamp in the comments just to watch this scene over and over!
Thank you!!! I love you!❤
BARD HELP BARD
I love them both💖💖
this right here is exactly why not only Dorian is an amazing addition to Bells Hells but also Robbie himself is an even better addition to the whole group
THIS SONG IS ONLY ONE MINUTE LONG
Sam's first time with this character and already making clutch plays
Bard on bard action. I like it 😊
Okay but how did I know the demon would start riverdancing before Matt gave us the visual?
Because it's Matt's go-to for Otto's Irresistible Dance. He used that same dance in "The Search For Grog."
Otto's Irresistable Dance doesn't have a saving throw when you cast it. It automatically works which is why the spell is so good. The creature doesn't get a saving throw until the end of their turn which means they spend the entire turn dancing. Therefore even creatures with Legendary Resistance have to skip that turn which is absurdly strong.
(Although this is changing in 2024 player's handbook.)
If ever they animate this episode, it'll be fun to see Dominox shuffle and cut shapes 😂 *plays Party Rock Anthem
Sam is clutch as usual.
0:47 I need this on a shirt
1:03-Liam praying to the Matron of Ravens...
It's a dance off, bro.
Making a GRAND DEMON dance is straight out of Baldur’s Gate 3 😂😂
Love that he brought out the Akechi screeching
bards supporting bards
Danke schön für das Video! 🇩🇪
gods i havent heard the name frank franz in a looooong time. i cant be the only one the remember heavy metal mag back in the day
So that's the power of the college of tragedies bard.
Sam being clutch as always. Best player at the table.
Sam coming in clutch once again
Did anyone else hear the hook from million dollar baby kick in at this moment?
Liam's look in his eye when his husband and in game love interest pretend to kiss loool
Came because I thought the thumbnail was Robby and Louis C K
Watching Robby ask Sam for consent before going to hug/kiss him is just one of the reason he's such a great addition to CR
I mean the ruled otto’s irresistible dance wrong but hey that’s still badass. Why you don’t always need to get all the rules right to have epic moments.
Top-tier video, for sure.
Bard Bois FTW
Doesn't matter what Sam plays.
He is the Patron Saint of Bards lol
Imma be real
Hope Robbie becomes a permanent member. I absolutely adore him
How do you think this video compares to the previous ones?
I was screaming when this was happening (*/▽＼*)
A level 13 Bard with a DC 16 spell save? I spit out my coffee at how bad that was
Well considering his Charisma isn’t as high as it could be, it makes sense.
Can't believe the full episode is not yet published on the official channel...
Monday friend. I can't wait either.
Wait till tomorrow or get beacon. Its $6 a month
or use your free twitch sub if you got prime
It is not like it has been their pattern of upload for like 6 or more years. Twitch sub or Beacon sub. Support creators you like
@@hunter559I might pay or I might not pay. It's up to them to change my mind. What they are doing now is straight out gatekeeping practices. Fans have already supported them by taking the costs of producing the animated show on their shoulders. CR is earning the LoVM revenue at no cost of production. No other company has that luxury.
What spell did Sam use to change it to Charisma?
He said it during the video. A custom feat Matt made called Sorrowful Fate.
@@halodude7167 I wasn't sure. Thank you for helping!
Wait, I just got that. Does Liam believe in JOE HENDRY????
i hate to be that guy but the irresistible dance spell has no save on the cast and they only get a chance to save by burning an action
What’s your opinion on this?
😂😂😂❤❤❤👏👏👏
DC = 8 + spell level (6) + casting modifier (apparently only +2) meaning either a 14 or a 15 in his casting skill. Don’t you need your skill to be a high enough level to cast, I.e. 16 to cast 6th level spells? Or am I missing something/conflating my more extensive 3.5 knowledge with 5e?
Yeah nah I think you're mixing it up with something else. 5e spell save DC is just 8 + proficiency + spell casting modifier (charisma in this case), and spell levels are tied purely to class level (i.e. full casters get 6th level spell slots at level 11)
Yeah you are wrong. As others said it is 8+ PB + spellcasting ability mod. For Bards, Paladins, Sorcerers, and Warlocks it is Charisma. So at level 13 it would be 8 + PB (5) + Charisma Mod (16, so 3), so 16. To Counterspell or Dispel Magic (both 3rd level spell), automatically stop spells of an equal or lesser level. If you try to stop a higher level spell (say a 5th level spell) the DC is the level of the spell + 10. The player roles an ability check (D20) and adds their spell mod. You can always up cast Counterspell and Dispel Magic at a higher slot if you have them.
Fair enough, seems odd a caster with negative casting modifier could do a 9th level spell. Broken even
@@hunter559 nothing you stated was new information, you just used a lot of words to tell me ‘yes, that’s 3.5 not 5e’
@@TinW00dsmanInOz how would that be broken??? Having a negative modifier for your main casting stat would be shooting yourself in the foot with a freaking Mossberg 500, especially when your high enough level to cast 9th spells, all your spell attacks and spell DCs would be abysmal, you would miss attacks all the time and every enemy would succeed your spell saves. Granted, most 9th levels spells don't require either of those, but for the few that does, like Meteor Swarm and Blade of Disaster, it would be disastrous. So no, it would not be broken, it would be absolutely asinine to have a caster with negative modifiers as a casting stat, 9th level spells be damned.
Hate to ruin the magic, but that spell has no save. That's what makes it Irresistible.
Dude stop sharing members content before its released by the page itself.