Hi Anthony, I would like to ask, when you measured the speed with chronograph, where was it located? Just in front of you or just in front of the target? The speed reduction comes from the drag, so if the chronograph was measuring arrow speed after it just went out from the bow then the difference might be negligible like you observed. Also might be a good idea to do a comparison to a bare shaft. I don't know what the Bohning is saying about those vanes, but for me they look like to be designed especially for outdoors, so this hairdryer test looks promising. I look forward to see how they perform at 70m. If you can, please do the testing using chronograph closer to the target so we can see how the drag is affecting the arrow better. Thanks and have a nice day.
@@shoreshotarchery Great! Ideally you could use that shooting machine of yours to do that on 70m to have a really comparative results to other vanes and bare shaft.
To offer a synopsis, the Bohning vane offers increased cost, no improvement in performance and its a pain in the ass to use. Buy yours while supplies last...
There is no point in comparing arrow speeds a metre of so from the bow. This is good for comparing bows, but not for arrows. What is the speed of the arrow at 30m, 50m or 70m? (Not as easy to make the reading, obviously)
Anthony, you mention you expected a 5fps increase as they're like bareshafts, but you didn't chrono a bareshaft speed or include that number in your figures, ¿can you do add it as a card as a control?, because that's what will show us the top speed achievable by your arrows (maybe take this into consideration for future review of vanes)
I think to properly the griffin vanes you'd need to try it over longer distances (as you mentioned later on in the video). Shooting at 18m is not going to give you any metrics really on sight mark changes or arrow flight. Bare shafts shoot similarly over that distance compared to fletched arrows. I fletched 3 arrows with a sample pack of these vanes and used Bohning tape. After shooting 2 sessions with them they are still sticking strong. I compared them to arrows fletched with KSL Jet 6 vanes and they performed just as well over 18m. When the weather improves I'll try them over longer distances. Also the hairdryer test would only highlight how crosswind would affect the arrow, not moving would be a good thing!
It's all about how you have your X10 setup I have my intentionally heavy and stiff. But you can make them lighter to increase speed. As a note the X10 will likely be heavier then your ACE regardless of what you do it's how they are designed.
Shore Shot Archery I calculated that the X10s will be 390gr while my current ACEs are 340gr. It’ll be interesting to see, how much that 50gr reduces the speed. You want to take a guess?
Hmm glue instead if tape... Using glue will leave residue right? That means you will have to scrap them off. Isnt scraping a carbon shaft kinda dangerous tho?
Either no qualified engineer or whatever specialist was consulted, or the CEO took their child's doodles and thought it'll make the new vanes that Korean archers will swarm to.
Hi Anthony, I would like to ask, when you measured the speed with chronograph, where was it located? Just in front of you or just in front of the target? The speed reduction comes from the drag, so if the chronograph was measuring arrow speed after it just went out from the bow then the difference might be negligible like you observed. Also might be a good idea to do a comparison to a bare shaft.
I don't know what the Bohning is saying about those vanes, but for me they look like to be designed especially for outdoors, so this hairdryer test looks promising. I look forward to see how they perform at 70m. If you can, please do the testing using chronograph closer to the target so we can see how the drag is affecting the arrow better.
Thanks and have a nice day.
The chronograph was in front of the bow. In the next video I can definitely set it up down at the target and see the speed difference due to drag.
@@shoreshotarchery Great! Ideally you could use that shooting machine of yours to do that on 70m to have a really comparative results to other vanes and bare shaft.
To offer a synopsis, the Bohning vane offers increased cost, no improvement in performance and its a pain in the ass to use.
Buy yours while supplies last...
Thanks for saving us some time.
There is no point in comparing arrow speeds a metre of so from the bow. This is good for comparing bows, but not for arrows. What is the speed of the arrow at 30m, 50m or 70m? (Not as easy to make the reading, obviously)
Anthony, you mention you expected a 5fps increase as they're like bareshafts, but you didn't chrono a bareshaft speed or include that number in your figures, ¿can you do add it as a card as a control?, because that's what will show us the top speed achievable by your arrows (maybe take this into consideration for future review of vanes)
I like the idea of adding in the bare shaft speed as the control. I will chrono the bareshaft when I get back from The Vegas Shoot.
May consider trying out myself,but from current deduction,it’s expensive but durable at the very least,well more to find out!
Will stick to Bohning air vains bullet-proof and a fraction of the price
I think to properly the griffin vanes you'd need to try it over longer distances (as you mentioned later on in the video). Shooting at 18m is not going to give you any metrics really on sight mark changes or arrow flight. Bare shafts shoot similarly over that distance compared to fletched arrows. I fletched 3 arrows with a sample pack of these vanes and used Bohning tape. After shooting 2 sessions with them they are still sticking strong.
I compared them to arrows fletched with KSL Jet 6 vanes and they performed just as well over 18m. When the weather improves I'll try them over longer distances.
Also the hairdryer test would only highlight how crosswind would affect the arrow, not moving would be a good thing!
I wonder if the tape vs glue had anything to do with the weight.
That 197fps seems pretty slow. I get 227fps from my ACEs, and I’m planning to switch to X10s. Do you think I’m going to loose 30fps with X10s?
It's all about how you have your X10 setup I have my intentionally heavy and stiff. But you can make them lighter to increase speed. As a note the X10 will likely be heavier then your ACE regardless of what you do it's how they are designed.
Shore Shot Archery I calculated that the X10s will be 390gr while my current ACEs are 340gr. It’ll be interesting to see, how much that 50gr reduces the speed. You want to take a guess?
Just wondering, what poundage do you used?
46# at my fingers
Were the Griffin vanes offset mounted or straight?…how do they compare to feathers or FOBs?
Straight, I am pretty sure that was Bohnings recommendation
I think you need to try the hair dryer aimed down the arrow and not across it.
Ah you did.
Maybe a high speed camera shot in flight.
@@SteelBuckeye that's what I was thinking. I need to sell more tee shirts and I will make it happen 😀
Hmm glue instead if tape... Using glue will leave residue right? That means you will have to scrap them off. Isnt scraping a carbon shaft kinda dangerous tho?
Correct I will have a mess on my hands
@@shoreshotarchery lol rip, all to give us more information, respect
Have you tried bohning 3x? I got some 2.25 I'm gona try on some gt ultralight shafts for indoor
I have not tried the 3x, but let me know how they work
@@shoreshotarchery will do.
£39 for 40... nearly £1 each, I’ll stick to my shield vanes at 12 for £1.99
Good info,,,,looks like a possible bust
Just a minor FYI: It's _moot point_ *not* _mute point_ !
www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/moot-or-mute
opps, there is a reason my school was in the bottom 10 in the state, now I understand. Thank you =)
Either no qualified engineer or whatever specialist was consulted, or the CEO took their child's doodles and thought it'll make the new vanes that Korean archers will swarm to.