Double Tailstrike? Plane Landing Goes Wrong
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The KLM Pilot didn’t even realise he had landed because it was so smooth and so he kept the nose wheel up.
That was at Schipol where they often do that, I think it's a competition among pilots.
Maybe just used aerodynamic breaking to save the breaks, to show off or both.
@@albixx3893 Actually, commercial aircrafts dont use aerodynamic braking.
@@user-de2zo1bw4dcommercial aircraft certainly can keep the nose up, increase surface area, and increase aero drag. They’re not immune to the laws of aerodynamics. The elevators were clearly in full up.
@@user-de2zo1bw4d Do you wanna bet on that? I saw a few videos on youtube commercial pilots using aerodynamic breaking.
That KLM landing was straight butter
F1 drivers, that's how you preserve your tires.
KLM Pilot : so no typhoon?
ATC : no
KLM Pilot : no windshear?
ATC : negative
KLM PIlot : all right, it's text book landing then...
Except it’s against the Boeing procedures to do this.
“Butter”…. Said no pilot ever😂
The people on board will taste this butter at the end of the runway.
The KLM pilot was like, OH SHIT IM ALREADY ON THE GROUND!!
That KLM crew buttered that landing so hard my cholesterol went up.
@fivestringslinger LOL!
“Butter”…..🤦♂️
No one in aviation says “butter”. 😂😂
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183I do
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 I'm sorry that you haven't heard of AirForceProud95.
Tower: "taxiway bravo, then turn right alpha at alpha 1…"
ITA pilot: "We don’t do that here"
Yea we taxi off road
Legend has it that the KLM 777 is still wheelie-ing around the airport taxiways.
On his way to the CP’s office.
And there's a number for him to call.
😄
I was watching the BA flight when it happened. The runway had to be closed temporarily while it was checked for possible debris. Five flights had to go around.
Is the wind ever NOT raging at Heathrow?
This winter and spring has just been so windy. Folks are getting fed up with it.
Try living here 😔
The UK blows.
Yeh most of the time… just not in Winter!
I was once on a Qatar Airways A320 arriving in to the old Doha airport. After turning in to the gate we came to a sudden stop. Apparently we had turned in to the wrong one or it wasn't ready (can't remember what the flight crew told us over the PA). We ended up doing a powered 180 out and taxiid to our new gate.
Once had a plane fly into a gate where the jetway malfunctioned. They went to get a different one, only to realize that it was made for a larger plane (an Airbus), and could not reach the door. So we had to get a pushback... of about 6 feet.
The whole process took about 45 minutes, because of course it did.
that thrust reverser goaround is damned terrifying, even tho it doesn't look bad. good on the engine designers damn
Could you explain why it is strictly forbidden and what it does to the plane?
@@yanisgodofworld thrust reverser takes considerably longer to enable/disable than otherwise it takes for engine power to be produced, also it's much more complicated and sensitive equipment, and if the mechanism fails in any way you might get increase of reverse thrust rather than TOGA power. all these things severely compromise ability to go around
@@yanisgodofworldit is forbidden because when the aircraft lifts off, the reverser actuators are automatically locked out and depressurised so if one or both haven’t stored before takeoff they will be left open during the go around potentially resulting in an asymmetric-thrust situation beyond what most jetliners are designed to handle.
@@yanisgodofworldif you want a good example look up lauda air flight 004
@@ferrarikingdomit’s not forbidden.
That KLM landing... ohh boy! Gorgeus!
That crab was INSANE!!!
That klm landing is the most butteriest butter landing I’ve ever seen from a 777
The KLM 777 Pilot was maybe former pilot on the F-70/100. There this was standard landing procedure of KLM in AMS.
How soft do you want to land your Aircraft?
KLM Dude: Yes!
That reverse thrust go-around was a colossal fuckup, goddamn
Well, without knowing the reason, it could have been a lifesaver for all onboard. It’s not approved to taxi into the grass either but sometimes you got to do what you got to do.
I had seen that landing in another clip. The pilot quickly determined there wasn't enough runway left for the rollout in the wet conditions
@@chrisdiver5100 NO NO NO NO NO, once reverse selected you're committed to the landing. Just look what the TAP accident few weeks ago in cph.. This exact reason. Can see Mentourpilot video on it
@@chrisdiver5100 I'd love to hear the CVR from the flight, it would be interesting.
But aircrafts are certified to do that, though it's indeed forbidden
Performing a wheelie should get bonus landing points.
Keeping the nose up increases drag thus decreasing the length of the rollout
@@jim2lane In other words, _aerobraking._
@@jim2lane Completely wrong. Doing that is not good at all as it increases the landing distance and is bad practise. From my own experience as an airline pilot only former military pilots were doing this with airliners. I, as a member of the flight crew, then got emails from the safety office, as this type of rollout was popping up in the monitoring system of the airline.
@@com-n-sense There's no brakes in the nose gear. How can a wheelie increase landing distance?
@@com-n-sense Are you saying that a plane in level flight has the exact same amount of drag as one with a high AOA?
truly saying i just luv ur vids
That KLM landing was the smoothest I have ever seen. The pax wouldn't have even known they were down.
Wow. Beautiful landing by KLM!!
Great video!😸
Impecable el aterrizaje de KLM 👏👏👏
Double tailatrike? I am not sure…
Double nice UA-cam Channel here? Yes, of course ! 👏 ✈️
“Almost” a double tail strike. I.e. - nothing.
Apparently they thought they may have hit and had to do a runway sweep before anyone could land. Near misses are still amazing to watch and preferable over an actual incident.
Nice video
the KLM did one of the best buttery butter landings i've ever seen :o
So “buttery” you’d almost want to correctly call it a greaser!
That KLM wheelie wasn’t on purpose. Notice how the ground spoilers only have halfway deflection after touchdown, causing the aircraft to still have some elevator authority. Once the spoilers go to full deflection (probably the PM noticed it and manually extended them) the nose comes straight down.
A220- one of my favorite planes! Super quiet and fast!
The engine on the B777 was like
Oh hi, bye
Why the reverse thrust are forbidden?
takes too much time to stow reversers, and engine to spool back up
From memory it's about the sequence. You only select reverse thrust once you're happy with the landing, i.e. you're not going around. To select RT and then go-round indicates that the pilots were a bit happy on the RT, or someone moved the RT levers by accident.
Look up the video by Mentour Pilot on Tap Air Portugal flight 754
in case one of the reversers fails to retract or is much slower than the other and the engine ramp-up of thrust causes excess yaw, aircraft and lives have been lost to this - it is something that should only be done under a very narrow set of circumstance.
Thanks guys👍
Certified Classic a321 moment.
Reverse thrust being strictly forbidden is new for me. Is it in a landing situation or you can't do it AT ALL? Or maybe it's for that model in specific or that airport or country?
Look up the video by Mentour Pilot on Tap Air Portugal flight 754. It's a great breakdown and example of why it can be so catastrophic.
If anything goes wrong you won't have the energy to take off
Forbidden to go around after they are deployed. Once they are deployed, you are committed to land. What was done here is like rejecting a takeoff after V1 for a single engine failure. You just don’t.
@@Zerochroma15 What is not clear to me, is it supposed to be impossible for go around to be initiated once reversers are selected? Or when reversers are *activated?* (on landing) If so, how did it happen in this case? If it is simply *forbidden,* is the pilot now facing a hearing?
Not the reverse thrust itself. Going around after deploying thrust reversers isn't allowed.
1:29 I have this moment as wallpaper on my phone. This exact aircraft and background
777 says: I can also do it, A330!
Any airliner is capable of a butter landing.
@@0w3nn Very true, but the tilted mains will always look better doing it.
@@0w3nnno airline can do a “butter landing”. No pilot ever calls it that. It’s a “greaser”. I don’t get where this butter BS comes from.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 Too bad, lean in to the trend or be left out
@@0w3nn a bunch of UA-cam warriors doesn’t make it a trend. 🤣🤣.
Thanks for the extra 3 seconds of aviation!
That KLM landing reminded me of the Iranian jet last year that had to land with damaged front gear.
that 777 landing was butter
Easily done in those conditions.
“Butter”….🤦♂️😂
@PN_48 look, I get that you've never heard anyone talk of buttering a landing before. Today you're one of the lucky 10,000. You don't have to keep commenting about it.
@@AdrianColley Sure, I’ve never heard the term “butter” in aviation circles because no-one - about from YT folk - uses it.
And just like those folk can keep using an incorrect term, I can meander through the comments pointing out the folly of their ways. And you can keep scrolling if you don’t like it🤷♂️
@@AdrianColleyI’m with PN. It’s ridiculous how people on UA-cam use that term. No pilot says butter.
OMG how beautiful that 777 looked at the end :0
KLM aggressive landing approach skills for smooth touch down.
The KLM 777 was executing a position that is referred to as the “air brake.” This is when the pilot on purpose keeps your nose up at an angle that causes air to hit the wing at a drag, causing angle. This can really help on shorter runways as it is more effective than the spoilers in some scenarios.
Except it’s against Boeing procedures and so demonstrates poor piloting skills and attitude from the KLM pilots.
777 FCTM: After main gear touchdown, initiate the landing roll procedure. Fly the nose wheels smoothly onto the runway without delay.
It’s called aerodynamic braking. Not air brake. Also, it absolutely doesn’t help on short runways and is more dangerous on short runways.
0:26 Ryan Air be like -
wow that was smooth !!!
We want more from Aerosucre!!! :) :) :)
GOAT on the wheel of the 777, perfect technique!💯👍
Keeps all the sloshing diarrhoea in economy.
What's 'GOAT'?
@@u2bear377 Greatest Of All Time
Strictly against Boeings procedure, so if breaking procedures makes you a GOAT then that’s a shame.
I know a couple delta a220 pilots that think their plane can fit anywhere. They decoded to go around a plane on the wrong side and taxid over multiple unoccupied gates instead if a marked taxi line on the ramp
"um I'm actually afraid of fly-"
"WE'RE GONNA CRAAAASH"
2:36 Here at AMS alot of pilots do wheelie landings, especially KLM cityhopper pilots 🎉
I saw the plane that I got on back to SOU do what I though was really long on an embarer 190 (or 178) glad he got it straight down at SOU having recently been extended to 1,887 m just over half the distance of AMS runways! Lots of railway sidings at one end and a motorway at the other.
take a chance, with air france! at least this crew waited for the T/R to be stowed and engines spooled up, before attempting to rotate to a tail strike - the a350 at yyz is still parked as it has serious structural damage done to it thank to AF doing this exact thing there, going around after TR deployment
Here for the expert klm landing comments and I wasn’t disappointed
Those KLM's are always well known for their wheelies! 😉
I suspect the SIA flare and float was deliberate. The Manchester runway has a bump. An extended flare gets the plane past it before touchdown.
Why is the go around after reverse thrust strictly forbidden?
See the TAP incident recently. Big No No
Look up the video on Tap Air Portugal flight 754 by Mentour Pilot
Imagine what will happen if in this exact moment one of the trust reversers malfunctions and stays in the open position... 😉
Equivalent of rejecting a takeoff after V1. Once the reversers are deployed, you are committed to land. See TAP 754.
KLM touchdown was super smooth, but that nose-wheel should've come down as soon as the reversers were engaged. What if one reverser had malfunctioned? You'd veer off the side of the runway due to the uneven thrust. I've seen runway excursions happen due to holding the nose-wheel off the ground to bleed speed. Far less directional control. It's not a 172.
That’s why Boeing don’t want pilots to pull stunts like this.
Idle reverse is fine.
1:12 I flew today from JFK to Nairobi on Kenya airways and the same exact thing happen the pilot flared to early. I’m gonna post a video on the landing that you can use in your next video (you don’t have to give credits)
2:49 nice demonstration of how the flaps control the nose of the plane :D
You mean spoilers?
They don't.
As speed decreases, so does rudder effectiveness, so they need the nose wheel on the ground to steer the airplane. They just put it down gently with elevators.
When and at what time was this KLM landing? I can check my schedule if it was me.
Flex
2:40 a landing so good the passengers dont know when to start clapping
Could someone explain to me the severity of the Air France Boeing 777 go around? Kind of a novice here. Thanks
One engine still in reverse and the other engine spooling up to full thrust equals ball of fire at the end of he runway, or worse, in the shanty town at the end of the runway.
So many butter landings but the fact that they were not facing the way they were supposed to go psyched me out
I bet KLM butter landing is the same dude than the 12:20 landing in Best of Aviation 2023. Same plane and airport.
Where is the problem with reversers?
0:54 Bonus fact: he was reaching for the cigarette lighter.
It’s against the rules to try to take off again after the reversers are applied. I learned that from the Mentour Pilot channel. It caused a big accident once.
Apparently, you aren't supposed to do a go-around, once the thrust reversers have been activated.
That makes sense.
In the next video we'll be seeing Aerosucre do a stoppie on landing
KLM captain to FO ‘mate, call the tower and check that we’re down’
At first I thought I was watching Goony-birds landing at Kwajalein island!
Textbook perfect landings.
Go around is better than runway excursions.
Push back was appropriate for the mistake.
ALL GOOD PILOTS doing their job correctly.
👍👍😎
2:36 klm proving their 777 landings are one of the best and that they are the butter king
Except this is forbidden by Boeing. Anyone can butter a 777 in calm conditions and then hold the nose off the runway.
I’m sure in that first one the co-pilot was yelling TOGA TOGA TOGA!
"Ladies and gentlemen, this us your Captain, Bluto Blutarsky, speaking..."
1:13 good landing there. I think the editor has been looking at to many Ryanair landings.
Little kid boarding KLM flight to the pilot: "Do a wheelie!!"
It's Kool KLM Wheelie ❤.
The go around after reversers selected is a big no-no. The pilot should be called to the chief pilot office for a serious conversation, then give him a couple of weeks to think of his action, then receive some corrective training, and then sign a paper promising to neve ever again do that (or any other intentional violation of the procedure). The only exception would be is something some unimaginable happened that forced the pilot to perform that go around after reversers to avoid a crash.
KLM 773 is my kind of landing as most like it smoothy butter
In these videos don't ever read the descriptions. Just enjoy the videos
how did bro get a double tailstrike??
first one (BA 320 Neo) wasnt LHR (Heathrow)..not sure where though
It is definitely 09L at Heathrow. You can see the pods travelling from the car park to T5 and even the blue motorway signs on the M25!
@@markr2657 Nope. here are no hills around Heathrow. Totally flat On one end there is the M25 and the other the reservoirs. All really flat. The pods could be anywhere. Cant identify the airport, but defintely not Heathrow. Blue signs mean nothing. Could be anywhere but not LHR or LGW. www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=view+of+heathrow+airport#vhid=eX-Jbj2g3H4QzM&vssid=l
Much prefer ‘smooth landing’ rather than the trendy butter landing, in my not so humble opinion.😂
Scary thumbnail wouldn't wanna be on that flight
I wonder if the 777 pilot was given a number to call😅
Btw 777 always appear so large!
That ITA "incident" - High school diplomas fix what college degrees f*cked up...an old saying I picked up while in the military. I use it now quite a bit at my jobs at ORD. I have a college degree myself, but I dont fly airplanes, I'm ground crew, lol.
Why is reverse thrust forbidden? Isn't that the regular method of de-accelerating a plane when it has landed? Or is "*go-around* after selecting reverse thrust" forbidden?
You are correct
*That wasn't ITA Airways; that was an old Boeing 727-200 of Aerosucre in disguise.*
Nah, was an old Aer Lingus pilot who thought he was at Dublin .... (c)-David Gunson.
It was an Air Source pilot flying a disguised Air Lingus plane as ITA who thought he was at Dublin.
I'm very curious about the reason of the go around from the Air France crew...
If it's another thing that runway incursion, I don't see why and I hope they did not reverse the thrust while main gear was not stabilized on ground because if it's the case it's a great deviation from the procedures
The reverse thrust was applied only for a fraction of a second i.e. it practically wasn't applied so it was safe to take off again. But still the reason for the go around is unknown.
@@Teri_Berk The engines probably did not spooled up at all.
But it takes precious time to stow the thrust reversers before TOGA thrust could be applied.
@@Teri_Berk For information B777 FCOM states that safe flight is not possible after reverse. The reason is that engines have a great risk to bé stuck in reverse during the go around. Whether thrust had the time to go in the reverse direction has nothing to do with that. In any SOP in the world or in any type rating, the reverse must not be engaged if the main gears are not stable on the ground. Once reverse are used, it means that the crew is committed to land and that the decision is irreversible. Going around around after reverse are used is like rejecting a takeoff after V1.
Not safe and forbidden.
Unless there is an extremely good reason to take such a risk. Or maybe procedures are not usefull but I don't think so. They exist for a reason as every single procedure is written in the blood for the crashes to never happen again.
Friendly.
@@u2bear377 for info, there is a good reason why the Boeing Flight Crew Operation Manual of the B777, Standard Operation Procedures of all companies and all Type Rating tell not to do that.
Once used, reverse thrust have a high risk of remaining stuck in reverse while the go around thrust is set with the pitch attitude while the aircraft getting airborne again with the residual speed and energy. The result can be catastrophic. Very risky.
Thrust reverse must not be used until the main gears are stable on the ground and full stop landing must be made once they are used.
In some words, the crew must be fully committed to land once deploying reverse thrust. Going around after that is like to reject a takeoff after V1.
We don't know yet what they did that but we already know that it's against the procedures. The only reason to take the risk to go around with the reverse stuck is to avoid a collision due to runway incursion. Otherwise I don't see why they would have taken this risk.
Friendly.
@@u2bear377 Well, the captain must have taken into account the time lost during the thrust reversal. There must have been such an unexpected problem on the runway ahead that s/he must have chosen to go around after the thrust reversal.
Wasn't the 777 on the ground already?
The 777 go-around after the reverser opened was against Boeing procedures, and is not taught ANYWHERE. If the reverser had not stowed, you are going around with one reverser opened and that engine at idle, and the other at full power. Air France is becoming the Aero Sucre of Europe.
Yikes. Air France and KLM not playing nicely today. 🤦♂️
Woah
The flare was perfect, not too early no.
KLM 777: "How to get disqualified from any Ryanair position"
Sometimes it takes a second tail wipe to get it all off.
I don’t get the air france clip, why aren’t they allowed to use reverse thrust?
You are allowed to use reverse thrust, you’re just not allowed to go around after reverse is selected
low energy go around and tailstrike go hand in hand. that's how Air France scraped their 350 in YYZ not too long ago
No tail strike, severe crosswinds.
The first one so scary.
My guess would be that the 777 autoland / autothrottle was engaged and the pilot overrode the system due to something on the runway. A press of the TO/GA button is all it takes.
If you’re doing an auto land you still have to manually select reverse thrust. After reverse thrust is initiated, you are committed to the landing. If not, then you’re a test pilot….good luck…hopefully your reverser(s) stow properly and you have enough runway remaining
I see your point and agree. Let's just assume that the reward outweighs the risks in this scenario and the correct choice was made.
Toga doesn’t work on the ground either.
На КЛМ, видимо бывший военный пилот, с динамическим торможением, и посадил мягенько. Красава
2:10 why couldn't they use reverse thrust? Well i guess maybe bc they wouldn't see behind them idk
Should be called “The go around “ channel 😂
and LHR the Go Around airport!
Then landings should be called "aborted go-arounds".
As one said, "Going around is normal, landing is a bonus".
That KLM pilot should be flying for Silk Airways!
First one was a flight simulator?
Lauda Air 767 & Rammstein C5 both crashed on take-off due to thrust reverser deployment with the engines at full chat.
Scary!
You can’t tell but it looks like the BA a321 might have just about avoided a tail strike
KLM pilot was actually landing the space shuttle orbiter