Wow this is totally different sensation from modern piano, thanks for playing Beethoven passionately on this amazing instrument, the whole thing opens up new scope for me.
It's always interesting to listen to a piece played on the old fortepiano - after all, this sound is more likely what Beethoven himself listened to/intended. Thanks! The performance itself was high quality too. I like the 1st mvt more than 3rd though - the 3rd felt a bit too freestyle. 1st was lively and exciting.
Well done. It is also amazing that Beethoven composed so heavy music for such a brittle instrument. Maybe also the reason that he needed a Broadwood afterwards.
He didn’t “need” a Broadwood afterwards. He had a lifelong preference for the pianos built by the Stein and later Streicher families. These were light piano actions with a sensitive sound. He actually *complained* about pianos with heavy actions by the standard of the day.
Loving your performance, especially on fortepiani which allow for flexibility and quality of sound but are much harder to control as accurate precision is required. A Walter allows you to have striking clarity. Perhaps they should had tuned higher than baroque pitch though but no worries as tensions are more calm so there're advantages in everything. It will be a pleasure to hear more uploads so please continue playing; bravo! :) 有り難う御座います！
Thank you for your lovely comment! Yes, it should be played 430 Hz, but the room was used in other lessons, so I tried this 415Hz Walter:) And I l also like this instrument, it sounds very clear and more speaking-like.
I particularly like the 3rd movement so much, and I've been trying to learn it, the first few seconds with the arpeggios are just fine, but after that it becomes so hard to play.
Wow these forte p stop at G6 . Imagine they didn't hear the sounds we have nor the harmonies and rhthm of the 20th century. DeFalla wrote for Harpsichord. Rochberg's nach Bach dat's da ting !
I hear it again with more attention. To see this sonata played at fortepiano, permits to learn a lot of the original spirit of Beethoven. You play the Adagio with such delicacy and with a placid metronome: usually the tempo is faster in the recording on fortepiano, because it is supposed that this instrument is less resonant than modern piano. Sure it is, but this is not a valid reason to automatically increase the execution speed, especially in this Adagio, so contemplative, especially composed to savor it. I'm studying on modern piano the Adagio and I'm learning a lot from your execution. Thank you for your video, I'm your follower now!
I don't know what you don't like in it, it sounds way softer and I overall like the look of the inverted keys, I don't know.. Forte pianos are very beautiful
@@barondeficit1081I don't understand defending fortepianos like they're better or equal. If they were, they would be used still, and modern pianos wouldn't have been popular. Back in Chopin's time where both the pianoforte and fortepiano were used, basically all pianists preferred pianoforte I will say though that they have a unique sound and hearing period accurate music on them is a gift
@@idkrossplay Both _fortepiano_ and _pianoforte_ are misnomers. What we are hearing here is a _struck-string keyboard instrument that is capable of playing both piano forte,_ a "new kind of clavichord having both piano and forte ability." Earlier instruments did not have any dynamic range at all. You could not play piano and forte, you could not play forte and piano, you could play only mezzo-piano or mezzo forte. A contemporary "piano" is the the same kind of instrument as that being played here, except that it has a slightly greater dynamic range and a different timbre. It's maximum loudness is slightly greater. It's minimum loudness is about the same. There are other difference in timbre. There are also differences in the actions with high-quality contemporary pianos also being capable of faster repetition of a single key. Differences in construction make this possible, but fundamentally the instrument here is the same instrument as contemporary a Steinway, Baldwin, Yamaha, or Kawai. Some old pianos have a lovely "singing" timbre that I love. I think the tone of Steinway is rather "strident." Subjective. What happened around 1915 was the introduction of the single cast-iron "plate" which enabled the strings to have more tension on them and to speak louder when struck, without having a dramatic increase in how fast the volume level dropped after a note was struck. Then of course came the single-piece laminated bentwood case used on horizontal pianos. A real bitch to make, much more time-consuming. By the way, _upright_ and _grand_ are also misnomers, when they refer to what are better described as vertical and horizontal struck-string keyboard instruments.
Very sensitive playing as much as the instrument permitts it. It could be even more fitting to the time of composition if tuned in Kirnberger II or III. (In d-minor no big difference)
horrible metallic sound beethoven such a visionary genius ,,HE COMPOSED FOR THE MODERN PIANO !!! chopin too this sounds like crickets banging up against a tin roof ,,
Beethoven did not compose for the modern piano because it did not exist! He would not have liked equal temperament either: it removes a dimension from his music.
About which aspect? It is true to say the piano as we know it today did not exist in Beethoven's time. You only have to listen to early 19th century pianos to hear a considerable difference in tone and dynamics. Secondly, equal temperament does remove a dimension from Beethoven's music . Well-tempered tunings had become standard in Beethoven's life time. Each key has its own, subtlety different character. This was well understood by Beethoven .@@richiebeirach3671
Very enjoyable, thank you and greetings from Finland o/
Amazing performance…had a lot of emotion in it because of your playing and the instrument💯😁
A beautiful interpretation. Thank you!
Wow this is totally different sensation from modern piano, thanks for playing Beethoven passionately on this amazing instrument, the whole thing opens up new scope for me.
Thank you for your comment:) happy to read it!
Thanks!
This sounds so much like my grandfather's piano, love it!
I enjoyed hearing and watching this performance. Of the 17 th Sonata more than the many many others I heard. Thank you!
I love to watch your hands dancing on the third movement. Wonderful playing on a wonderful instrument.
Beautiful performance, thank you for sharing it!
Thank you for listening to it!
Your performance is absolutely flawless, your touch on this beautiful Fortepiano is so enjoyable. Thank you for sharing🎶
Thank you, I'm happy to read your comment!
Piano necessary:), anyway thank you for performance.
Emotional, amazing, I've cried! Thank you for sharing and congratulations 👏🏻
I am so happy to hear it... Thank you so much for listening!
Brava 🎉
Bravo!
Beautiful
It's always interesting to listen to a piece played on the old fortepiano - after all, this sound is more likely what Beethoven himself listened to/intended. Thanks! The performance itself was high quality too. I like the 1st mvt more than 3rd though - the 3rd felt a bit too freestyle. 1st was lively and exciting.
Well done. It is also amazing that Beethoven composed so heavy music for such a brittle instrument. Maybe also the reason that he needed a Broadwood afterwards.
He didn’t “need” a Broadwood afterwards. He had a lifelong preference for the pianos built by the Stein and later Streicher families. These were light piano actions with a sensitive sound. He actually *complained* about pianos with heavy actions by the standard of the day.
@@Legomyegoorj interesting, I had no idea. Still, his music pushed the boundaries of the instrument I think?
My tuning is well tempered, Kirnberger III, and at C=256hz. 👍Wonderful dialogue, play, you did hear! 👏
Muito lindo, gostei muito. Som diferente.
amazing performance, just wish I could play this good, I keep trying. 🤣🤣
Loving your performance, especially on fortepiani which allow for flexibility and quality of sound but are much harder to control as accurate precision is required. A Walter allows you to have striking clarity. Perhaps they should had tuned higher than baroque pitch though but no worries as tensions are more calm so there're advantages in everything. It will be a pleasure to hear more uploads so please continue playing; bravo! :)
有り難う御座います！
Thank you for your lovely comment! Yes, it should be played 430 Hz, but the room was used in other lessons, so I tried this 415Hz Walter:) And I l also like this instrument, it sounds very clear and more speaking-like.
I particularly like the 3rd movement so much, and I've been trying to learn it, the first few seconds with the arpeggios are just fine, but after that it becomes so hard to play.
Wow these forte p stop at G6 . Imagine they didn't hear the sounds we have nor the harmonies and rhthm of the 20th century. DeFalla wrote for Harpsichord. Rochberg's nach Bach dat's da ting !
素晴らしい演奏ありがとうございます。
聴いてくださりありがとうございます！
Lovely performance!
Thank you for your comment!
Very good job, especially for the 2nd movement. I'll hear it a second time, but it is very well played. Brava!
Thanks for your comment! I am glad to hear it!
I hear it again with more attention. To see this sonata played at fortepiano, permits to learn a lot of the original spirit of Beethoven. You play the Adagio with such delicacy and with a placid metronome: usually the tempo is faster in the recording on fortepiano, because it is supposed that this instrument is less resonant than modern piano. Sure it is, but this is not a valid reason to automatically increase the execution speed, especially in this Adagio, so contemplative, especially composed to savor it. I'm studying on modern piano the Adagio and I'm learning a lot from your execution. Thank you for your video, I'm your follower now!
五月晴れです🥰
素敵な演奏を、有り難う🎵
こちらこそありがとうございます。
Bravo
Thank you:)
How the keyboard feels like on period piano?
Do you mean the touch? It is much much lighter than modern piano:)
It’s smaller too
would love to hear the Pastoral Sonata on this set-up
I love this idea!
Mako Kodama, please answer me: Is it possible to play scales faster on period instruments than a modern steinway?
for me, yes!
피아노 어디껀가요?
The sound of this instrument really makes me appreciate modern pianos.
😂
More clarity in the lines on these old instruments but sounds overall feeble.
I don't know what you don't like in it, it sounds way softer and I overall like the look of the inverted keys, I don't know.. Forte pianos are very beautiful
@@barondeficit1081I don't understand defending fortepianos like they're better or equal. If they were, they would be used still, and modern pianos wouldn't have been popular. Back in Chopin's time where both the pianoforte and fortepiano were used, basically all pianists preferred pianoforte
I will say though that they have a unique sound and hearing period accurate music on them is a gift
@@idkrossplay Both _fortepiano_ and _pianoforte_ are misnomers. What we are hearing here is a _struck-string keyboard instrument that is capable of playing both piano forte,_ a "new kind of clavichord having both piano and forte ability." Earlier instruments did not have any dynamic range at all. You could not play piano and forte, you could not play forte and piano, you could play only mezzo-piano or mezzo forte. A contemporary "piano" is the the same kind of instrument as that being played here, except that it has a slightly greater dynamic range and a different timbre. It's maximum loudness is slightly greater. It's minimum loudness is about the same. There are other difference in timbre. There are also differences in the actions with high-quality contemporary pianos also being capable of faster repetition of a single key. Differences in construction make this possible, but fundamentally the instrument here is the same instrument as contemporary a Steinway, Baldwin, Yamaha, or Kawai. Some old pianos have a lovely "singing" timbre that I love. I think the tone of Steinway is rather "strident." Subjective. What happened around 1915 was the introduction of the single cast-iron "plate" which enabled the strings to have more tension on them and to speak louder when struck, without having a dramatic increase in how fast the volume level dropped after a note was struck. Then of course came the single-piece laminated bentwood case used on horizontal pianos. A real bitch to make, much more time-consuming. By the way, _upright_ and _grand_ are also misnomers, when they refer to what are better described as vertical and horizontal struck-string keyboard instruments.
Very sensitive playing as much as the instrument permitts it. It could be even more fitting to the time of composition if tuned in Kirnberger II or III. (In d-minor no big difference)
😁 moyen pour celui qui connait bien la partition !
ミニショムライ
似てますか？嬉しいです。
Allegro not Presto
horrible metallic sound beethoven such a visionary genius ,,HE COMPOSED FOR THE MODERN PIANO !!! chopin too
this sounds like crickets banging up against a tin roof ,,
No
Beethoven did not compose for the modern piano because it did not exist! He would not have liked equal temperament either: it removes a dimension from his music.
wrong @@95tupolev
About which aspect? It is true to say the piano as we know it today did not exist in Beethoven's time. You only have to listen to early 19th century pianos to hear a considerable difference in tone and dynamics. Secondly, equal temperament does remove a dimension from Beethoven's music . Well-tempered tunings had become standard in Beethoven's life time. Each key has its own, subtlety different character. This was well understood by Beethoven .@@richiebeirach3671