As a son of a protestant mother and a catholic father I am every time very moved seeing these images. The love and unity here is so clear, so profound. Let's help it grown!
I'm a Lutheran, but I have always had a profound respect for the Catholic Church. if it hadn't been for my friends within that Church, I would never have known Christ the way I do now. I may not agree with the Catholic Church 100% of the time, but they will always be my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.
"One baptism, one Lord, one faith. Talk to the Lord and move forward." Thank you #papafrank for opening the door to reconciliation. May we have the courage to walk together through it.
+John Stiles For crying out loud. Every heretic in the Church has had the same baptism. The issue with Lutherans and those heretics is that they do not have the same faith. If we had the same faith, then Lutherans would already be Catholics. *So Lutherans can receive communion when they abandon their errors and actually do end up with the same faith i.e. the Catholic faith!*
They are, but they should not receive communion unless they convert to the Catholic Church. If you "Love them" then tell them the truth! don't just be indulgent.
They do not share the same doctrine as practicing catholics hence they are not our brothers in Christ. Because they are not on the same playing field, are call our separated brethren. Its impossible to be of the church when the doctrine they espouse is the exact opposite.
Horny Pervert Lutheranism is much more than that. It has much more in common with Roman Catholicism than most or arguably almost all other Christian traditions.
@@hornypervert3781 Lol, in which case that makes me a Lutheran. I do believe Jesus of Nazareth existed. I just don't believe there wad anything devine about him...
I notice that some people here should learn their lessons better concerning what the Lutherans teach and what is the state of the Lutheran - Catholic discussion of doctrine today. Besides I must remind that already Saint John Paul II visited the Lutheran churches of Sweden and Finland and presented himself as "a brother in Christ" for us.
Horny Pervert Lutherans in the US, though smaller in numbers, run the large social service agencies, hospitals and more. Our large Catholic and Lutheran parishes sit across the street from each other, and do joint Taize services weekly. The Lutheran pastor, grew up as RC. No joint communion but much in common, shared ministry running food banks, worship opportunities and more.
I cannot see anywhere where he actually said that a Lutheran may receive the blessed Sacrament. I did see a confused dialogue from the Holy Father though. Words have meaning. It is important we teach and believe what Christ taught and not the opposite to what he taught.
He is right, He does not have the authority to make pronouncement because he is not the POPE but an impostor. Is it not clear in the catechism that for one to receive the Holy Communion, one must be Catholic, believe in Jesus in the Eucharist and be in a state of grace? May God deliver us from the plans of the evil one. Amen.
The Holy Father simply has said that He has no authority at all in this regard.. We can be as ecumenists as we like, but you come to Communion trough Conversion; and Conversion is always an intimate issue, a personal choice. If you believe in Transubstantiation of the Body of Christ, or at least if you can accept to be lead by others in this understanding of the Eucharist (by the Saints for example), maybe you should consider to convert and be again in the communion with the Vicar of Christ. I think this was what the Holy Father was trying to say to Lutheran people when he said "talk to the Lord and move forward".
We are falling right into the Islamic Terrorists "arms people. Arguing among ourselves about this subject. Cool it. We all love Jesus Christ as our Savior. End of story.
Only hate hate hate hate hate.... only hate when christians talk, thats why I only believe in God without being a member of any religion, just God is enough for me.
Unfortunatly is not so easy as you are depicting it.. The history of the Church is the prove of this: people rejected the authority of the Holy See, they begun to fight, be divided ecc.. I think the Holy Father has pointed to all of you the only safe path: "talk to the Lord and then go forward", if you will be called to conversion, you will convert!
@@h.r.c.jansen4159 sorry buddy but the Catholic church is the only church established by Jesus. It was not man-made. You should be a part of the church Jesus established, and be careful about the false doctrines. Jesus says that whoever eats my flesh and drink my blood shall never die. However, as the Pope said, what matters is the agreement in different things for example the trinity, the baptism etc. With love Your christian brother👋
What we need to do, is to ask the Holy see to change this pope, I gave him the benefit of the doubt, no longer, he is corrupting doctrine and is very slow at addressing the sex abuse scandals which seem to plage the church in every state/country
the Lutheran Church would have to follow the same protocol as the Eastern Orthodox Churches who restored communion with Mother Church. The True Catholic Faith must not be altered for sake of "ecumenism" but rather other denominations must come to it.
That's exactely how we Calvinists think about Papacy as well, though there are many Popes in history with great capacities and they are true christians.
In other words...if YOU want to receive Eucharist, receive. YOU are the arbiter or Truth by virtue of YOUR Baptism. God will bend to YOUR views of right and wrong, based on YOUR CONSCIENCE.
My question is. Are they willing to go to a catholic confession? If they can receive communion. They should also believe in the sacrament of confession. Unless they are sinless and cannot sin at all.
Lutherans have both private and corporate confession in our services. We define "sacrament" in different terms meaning we only have the eucharist and baptism as sacraments.
We don't have the same doctrine. If we did we would be the same Church and not in need of this discussion. It's true it is not your authority Pope Francis. The question has already been settled.
What irony; the self-professed observant Catholic you represent yourself as, openly disagrees with the primate of your own church. You are the true herectic.
Let see what he really said ... Pope Francis said that he cannot officially say that Lutherans can be admitted to Communion. He doesn’t have the competence. Therefore, Pope Francis knows, just like all Popes before him that he can’t change this. He did say “Talk to the Lord and then go forward.” What did he mean... What I think he meant is ...Continue talking and walking with the Lord and He will bring you to all Truth.
The Pope can alter this, because he can use his ex cathedra power. He would eventually not do it, because it would cause too much unrest within the RCC.
@@SaintCharbelMiracleworker But a Pope can amend, change and removed a Canon. I think the best way is to seek God Wisdom on how to come up with a Lutheran Rites, the way St.Paul celebrates Holy Communion in 1Corinthian11:23-27
@@jongricafort4 No. If they want to receive the Eucharist they become Catholic. Its that simple. The Eucharist is not a matter of Cannon Law, it's a doctrine which means the Pope does not have the authority to change it.
Well, he is wrong on this one and it's pretty clear why. Catholics and Lutherans have profound differences in belief on the nature of the Eucharist. Also, the Catholic Church teaches that protestant churches do not have valid sacraments (i.e. Christ is not present in them), so how we can share each other's sacraments - which signify unity of belief - is a complete mystery.
PFP Billtown Remember that turning over tables and whipping people is within that area. Jesus did not sacrifice truth for petty feelings. You need to repent you blasphemer.
Vhan Rayala There is nothing to fix. The Church was never broken to begin with. These people rebelled against the Magisterium. And then proceeded to spread their errors via Princes with power. The only way out for them is to accept the wrong they did and align their doctrines with Catholic teaching.
My mother, a very devout Missouri Synod Lutheran, insisted that Lutherans believed in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, and woe to anyone who said otherwise, so who knows?
I love Pope Francis. He is getting what is really important. Love of God and love of Jesus. Mercy and compassion always triumph over rules and doctrine. Isn't that why Jesus was hated by the Pharisees? He didn't follow their rules. Luckily God sees our hearts.
+jerseygangel Even the very idea that _"Mercy and compassion always triumph over rules and doctrine"_, if true, would be a doctrinal statement. In other words, what you are proposing is self-refuting.
+jerseygangel rules and doctrine are out baby! lets forget purgatory, hell, sin and all that Jazz. Catholics are now into love and feeling good... I mean really are you that stupid or was your comment a drunken joke?
As far as I have heard, no church doctrine as been eliminated. I understand Pope's Francis move toward Mercy is that if Catholics have committed these sins, such as divorce, abortion, instead of excommunicating them show mercy. Those people are still to be held accountable for what they did and must follow the steps to be reunited fully with the body of Christ. I am sorry if my statement wasn't more elaborate Zaphod and have caused you any anger. And I guess you are right Eufrosnia, Mercy and Compassion should be the doctrine that should be at the top of all other church doctrine. Peace!
jerseygangel you didn't answer anything I put forward because you didn't respond to me or my points. Pope Francis is sailing close to the wind of being deposed. His chum Kasper will be promoted to second string alter boy (if he is lucky) Perhaps he can get a job with the heretics and sodomite Lutherans and write a tell all book on how he nearly legitimised gay marraige
+Zaphod Trillian You brought up that the church magisterium is throwing out doctrine like purgatory and hell and sin. As far as the priests I talk to and the Catholic studies I participate in, not one doctrine has been thrown out. My take on Pope Francis is that which follows Jesus's own teaching, love the sinner and show mercy and forgiveness. Aren't we all sinners? Don't we put ourselves first instead of others Have you heard something different Zaphod that the church is changing any of its doctrine? It is my understanding that the Pope cannot change church doctrine, it has to go before the whole magisterium. For example, People who are divorced still have to go through annulment process to be reconciled with the church. Pope Francis, at the request of parishes world wide is trying to shorten the process as it takes a couple of years to do that. The Catholic church, at least where I live has had interfaith dialogue for many years. The Lutherans are one of the Protestant faiths that is the most like Catholics. Yes we have doctrinal differences. But Jesus Christ himself has given all Christians the commission of "Go make disciples and share the gospel message with all". Shouldn't that be the most important thing of any Christian. But I am just resPponding to this video that I really like what Pope Francis is doing. Don't mean to get into a confrontation with anyone. These are just my views and I am not an expert. May God's love and peace be with you Zaphod and to all.
I grew up with a Lutheran dad and Catholic mom. I was confirmed in the Lutheran church but became non denominational because I’m a strong believer in the idea that Jesus would want anyone who accepts Him and follows Him are all equal in the eyes of God. No divisions. I found it ironic that Catholics and Lutherans wish to be united but fail to actually take action and merge together. I’ve actually taken communion in a Catholic Church many times because the relationship between me and God is between me and God. I see myself as a Christian but like Catholics do. Difference is, I don’t label myself as a Catholic.
Who am I to judge . I don’t know the Lutheran teaching however I am Catholic and our church teaches there is only one church the one Jesus gave Peter the Keys to the truth. Luther left the Church . Why? Need to do more research but we must come together for Chist.God help us understand.
Pope Francis tells us to take the implications from St Paul's phrase: "One Faith, One Baptism, One Lord". It is good Pope Francis declared St Irenaeus Doctor of Unity, as he is helpful here. St Irenaeus teaches that we are delivered tue rule of Faith by our Baptism and that if we persevere in living the Faith, either from innocently living after Baptism or after penance, we will be saved. The Doctor also teaches that the shared Faith makes the Church one household, as opposed to heretics who have a confusing variety of different doctrines. Apply this to the Eucharist. The Eucharist is the "source and Sacrament" of the Church's unity (St. JPII, "Ecclesia de Eucharistia"). To partake of it means to thus strengthen our already existing bond of unity in the Church. Thus it presupposes that we share the same Faith, since shared Faith makes us one household. And only members of the household partake of the one family bread. Since Lutherans have a different Faith to Catholics, they do not belong to the same Church, and thus cannot partake of the same Eucharist together. To do so would be to lie.
You clearly don't understand that these Lutherans are pro-choice, pro homosexual, pro contraception etc. They are not "brothers in faith", they are heretics.
Buzz Targaryen That's only liberal Lutheran churches of the ELCA and even there it's individual churches. Lutheran churches in the LCMS don't believe in those things.
This Pope is phantstic, a gift from Heaven! Remember that also our Lord Jesus Christ was critizised by the "good Believers" of his time, the pharisees, the scribes... (see critics below)
+Helge Lockner Apologies for my addictions. Long Testicles = Long Life One meal a day in the evening but still to be in bed at a reasonable rhythm. No over exertion required. New communion has been devised for humanity. All works are complete except for the World Speech and 12 movies. My Balls are singing loud.
Cry😢 Isaiah 40 6A voice says, “Cry out.” And I said, “What shall I cry?” “All people are like grass, and all their faithfulness is like the flowers of the field. 7The grass withers and the flowers fall, because the breath of the Lord blows on them. Surely the people are grass. 8The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word JESUS the Messiah of our God endures forever.”
1:32am mayo 11 2020 creo que el gobierno de la república de México no quiere nada que ver en los de CD Juárez recibos dinero , pero yo no soy la diferente o que los federales la verdad
To me it sounded like Pope Francis was dancing around the question. He didn't really answer it, but it made it seem like he said Lutherans can receive Holy Communion.
It has nothing to do with Pope Francis. The curtain was torn when Jesus went to the cross so we could all come boldly to the throne of grace. Jesus is our only mediator not some Catholic Pope or priest. I am a priest under the Order of Melchezedik and I am just as righteous as Pope Francis. Stop allow in this man to put you down.
We Lutherans already receive Holy Communion. What he is talking about is if we should take it together. I wonder if Jesus would rather we come together or continue to bicker about some man made rules.
There are people here talking about "mercy" and "love" with so much superficiality.. So why not to give communion also to muslims or buddhists!? Everything in charity and love
This is crazy, the Pope could have answered this question easily and politely. When you believe you may recieve. If you don't believe that the Eucharist is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ. Abstain For it is better to Abstain then profane the Sacrament. We Love our Christian Brothers and Sisters, but we must also Love in Truth. Because Paul warns us..... 1 Corinthians 11,27 Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. Each one must examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without recognising the body eats and drinks judgement on himself. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. In John 6, Christ does not speak metaphors here, and many of his followers turn away. Christ has but One Flesh. So those that recieve it ought be of One Faith, the Catholic One. The Church wants Christians to recieve the Sacrament. But not to Profane it. If a Priest gives Communion to an Un-confirmed Christian in full knowledge that Priest is a Heretic, who does alot of Harm to both Himself and the Un-confirmed Person recieving. Profaning the sacrament, and denying the true presence of Christ. This is tremendously upsetting since the Priests are Gods Annointed Ones. Mathew 5,37 But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one. St Ignatius and Martyr 35AD-108AD Bishop of Antioch, Student of the Apostle John. Wrote this: "Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God... They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes."
@@sageseraphim6720 Good to know that, then one thing is needed by Lutheran, follow St.Paul in Galatians2:7-9 by seeking the "right hand" of Pope Francis Magisterium so that their celebration on Holy Communion will be united to the Catholic Church and their communion be sanctified in fullness by the Holy Spirit.
@@hakunamatata6462 The true Jesus believe in Pope.Proof? the true Jesus entrusted His Church and gave the Pope the Keys to His Kingdom.(Matthew16:18-19)...i think your jesus is a fake jesus.
One baptism, one Lord, one faith. Talk to the Lord and move forward. But still not allowed to have communion in Catholic church. Why? Because for Catholics the wine is blood of Christ. For Catholics the bread is the body of Christ. For Lutherans we drink the wine to remember the blood of Christ and we eat the bread to remember the body of Christ. A very thiny difference. But we have the same baptism, the same Lord and one Christian faith. Therefore I do not like churces as a 'domicile' too many differences and interpretations. Therefore I choose the word of God and leave the rest.
O, Your Holiness! Please! I know you're good person but you're father and teacher of us. You are Catholic Christian. Good father or teacher, whether they like it or not, have to say “no” to their children when they are doing something that will harm themselves. Even if the child really, really wants to do it.
What would be needed for union? Lutherans would have to accept the other 5 sacraments, purgatory, and accept the deuterocanonical books as inspired, and accept papal authority. The teaching of Scripture alone (a teaching not found in Scripture) would have to go, and Tradition would have to be accepted. (The Lutheran teaching that the pope is antichrist is found in the Smalcald Articles of the Lutheran Book of Concord, but not all Lutheran groups even accept as official teaching all that is in the Book of Concord. In practice, most Lutherans have never heard of the Book of Concord, or read it, much less read all of Luther's Works.) Catholics would have to accept certain Lutheran customs as well as (as they did with the Anglicans) use of such things as the King James Bible (with the deuterocanonical books, of course. William Tyndale was a Lutheran). Catholics would have to reaffirm the conviction of the Church in the plenary verbal inspiration of Scripture, very important to sacramental Lutherans (there will be no union with the pro-abortion crowd). The teachings of Westcott-Hort, and the Higher Criticism of the Bible (inventions of liberal Protestants, not Lutherans) would have to go. The teachings of Darwin and Dawkins would have to go (no liberal consigning of Genesis to the realm of myth and legend). Lutherans would have to accept the goodness of good works as well as grace and faith ; Catholics would have to repudiate the idea of works-righteousness or that God's grace can be bought with money (a belief not uncommon about Catholics among some Lutherans). In the Catholic response to the Lutheran Augsburg Confession, agreement was proclaimed by that Catholics with about one third of it, while another third was accepted with qualifications, and the final third was rejected. Lutherans and Catholics will both have to accept that the breakup of the Church in the 16th Century was a tragedy that should not have happened, and need not have happened. Will Lutheran-Catholic union be easy? No. But then again, nothing that is really good really is.
Great response. Your analysis reflects that with some give and take on the part of both groups, none of which are destructive to their own doctrine, union could be accomplished.
that's not the only issue, lutherans are monergistic and believe in inconditional election, whereas the catholics are synergistic and believe in a conditional election
@@tatogl2616 You are absolutely correct about that, but the Lutheran church at the same time rejects inconditional damnation. Its position is not logical (Lutherans would say it is a mystery), but this teaching would have to go in any real union. In practice, many Lutherans actually endorse the Catholic position without knowing it.
This is wrong pope francis , there is only one religion the catholic religion , you should have gone there to convert them, and not just say well we are okay with this. No
Dude, I think he was inviting the Lutherans to join the Catholic Church by extending a hand out to them in hopes of deepening the understand of the Catholic ways.
Revelation 12 7Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9The great dragon was hurled down-that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. 10Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. 11They triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death. 12Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.” 13When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach. 15Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 16But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring-those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.
I would absolutely agree with the pope. Lutherans ARE catholics, and indeed in most of his remarks Luther was right, Sola Scriptura aside. Sola fide is very misleading, nost because of the totally WRONG interpretation that protestants from Calvin on gave of it. Sola gratia is arguable. However, the works of a revolutionary , and a christian.
Arians who denied the divinity of Christ had the same baptism too. So did countless other heretics. The Church and the saints had no difficulty saying whether or not they can receive communion. The fact that Lutherans have a valid baptism means nothing for this particular issue as long as they cling to heretical beliefs.
The difference is that Lutherans believe in the power of baptism, unlike those Aryans. Surely you aren't denying that Lutherans who believe in their baptism can be saved by it? That doesn't make any sense even to Catholic doctrine. That's insulting the Word of God, putting it down and saying that we sinful humans do it better than God's divine power.
+Bishop SCO Yes, true I've noticed very much. The Catholic church is quite clear on who can receive HOLY COMMUNION. You must be baptised, be confirmed in the Catholic church, have made your first Communion. Be in the state of grace (have made your confession to a validly ordained Catholic priest) believe in the true presence, the authority of the Catholic church from the Pope down and it teachings (Magisterium).
sklenars , I thought Orthodox can receive communion and Orthodox don't believe the exact same things about the Pope nor do they have any First Communion separate from the one at Chrismation (Confirmation) which happens after Baptism. That said, unlike the Lutheran Church, the Orthodox Church is classified as a "true Particular Church" even though Orthodox don't see it that way
I wonder if you're actually Lutheran. Either way, if you are so under the Beast the Pope's spell, then get out and join the Roman church. Bible Protestantism will be strengthened by losing lukewarm idiots like you
Latin communion can be given to anybody , as the novus ordo Mass and priesthood are invalid. Francis was ordained in the new invalid ordination rite of Paul V1. So, most likely Francis is a layman. Paul V1, the terminator of Latin rite must most appropriately be canonised by this layman
No wonder 😂 soon Antichrist shall emerge and going to declare all who believes in any religions and cultures are brothers and sisters and God is pleased to grant them new heaven 😂 so soon Lutheran Church shall denounce the man Martin Luther 😂and label him Anti religious 😂😂
you commenters are hilarious. Especially in light of the fact that ALL the churches are losing people left and right; who gets communion where and with whom is becoming the least of your worries.
CONFESSION AND HOLY COMMUNION A: ...they must receive the Sacraments; receive them in the proper way. True confession, not just participation in penitential ceremonies, and Communion. At this time (Communion) the priest should say “Lord, I am not worthy” three times, and not just once.[7] Communion must he received in the mouth and not in the hand. E: Speak only the truth, in the name of the Precious Blood, the Holy Cross, the Immaculate Conception of Lourdes. Our Lady of the Rosary of Fatima! A: We racked our brains for a very long time down there (he points downward), until we succeeded in getting Communion in the hand under way.[8] Communion in the hand... Communion in the hand is very good for us in Hell, believe me! E: We order you, in the name... to say only what Heaven orders you! Speak only the truth, you have no right to lie, so leave off, stop it! A: She (he points upward) wishes me to say... E: Tell the truth, in the name...! A: She wishes me to say... that if She, the Great Lady, were still living on earth. She would receive Communion in the mouth, but on her knees, and She would bow deeply, like this (he makes the gesture). E: In the name of the Blessed Virgin... and of the Thrones, by order of the Thrones, tell the truth! A: I have to say the Communion must not be received in the hand. The Pope himself gives Communion in the mouth. He does not want Communion to be given in the hand at all. That comes from the Cardinals. E: In the name..., by order of the Thrones, tell the truth! A: Then it went to the bishops and they imagined that it was a question of obedience, that they must obey the cardinals. Finally, it came to the priests, and they, in turn, imagined that they had to conform, because obedience is written in very large letters. "Warnings from the Beyond?
I have always found it very amusing when believers argue about rituals. Get a life. God doesn't exist anyway, so let us not argue about how many times a priest must say some mantra and enjoy the art of the cathedrals and the beauty of chore singing.
Martin Luther divided the Church with all his heresies, lies and hate. His descendants should face the consequences. No, they should not receive Holy Communion in the Catholic Church. They have their own stuff, let them receive in their place
St Paul warns us that "For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves." Catholics have always understood the Eucharist as "body, blood, soul and divinity" that comes to us by "transubstantiation". Lutherans do NOT. Catholic's are taught that in order to observe the warning of St. Paul, we must receive communion in the state of sanctifying grace, that can only be achieved in the sacrament of confession. Lutherans do not have the sacrament of confession, so how do they "achieve" sanctifying grace". If Catholics must receive communion by regular confession, then how do we reconcile the fact that Lutherans can't!!?? Lutheran's should refrain from receiving communion in a catholic Church. Lutheran communion is understood as "consubstantiation", and they do not believe in the "real presents" the way Catholics do! If they did, where is their tabernacle? The Pope is wrong, again! the pope is an indifferentist. This was condemned as a heresy in the early church.
No gentile papal caesar can ever stand within the Seventh-day Adventist churches that are independent. We make no compromise with this representative of that mother of harlots and abominations of the earth. If Martin Luther is alive today, he will surely scold these apostate Lutherans who make such dirty and servile compromise with Rome. "IT IS A BACKSLIDING CHURCH THAT LESSENS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN ITSELF AND THE PAPACY" (Ellen G. White)
O my heavenly father this pope is an abomination! He's leading all people to the pits of hell!! We are living in the end times! Read the revelation believe the word of God pray to him and repent!
I preach Christs cross, I teach Eternal Life. Gods truth its the only reason the LORD SHOWS UP. To be a witness of his Holy Truth taught you don't know. his TRUTH
As a son of a protestant mother and a catholic father I am every time very moved seeing these images. The love and unity here is so clear, so profound. Let's help it grown!
I pray that one day we will be united again!
Amen 🙌
I'm a Lutheran, but I have always had a profound respect for the Catholic Church. if it hadn't been for my friends within that Church, I would never have known Christ the way I do now. I may not agree with the Catholic Church 100% of the time, but they will always be my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.
Honestly, you need to get a life. Churches are beautiful, and the singing is majestic, but, come on! It is 21st century. God doesn't exist.
Iam Cleaver really?
@@Solideogloria00 what?
I am a Catholic. Even I don't agree with the Catholic church 100% of the time
@@onisuryaman408 Me too hahaha!!!! But I still love my beliefs and the church Jesus left for us, thank you god.
"One baptism, one Lord, one faith. Talk to the Lord and move forward." Thank you #papafrank for opening the door to reconciliation. May we have the courage to walk together through it.
+John Stiles For crying out loud. Every heretic in the Church has had the same baptism. The issue with Lutherans and those heretics is that they do not have the same faith. If we had the same faith, then Lutherans would already be Catholics.
*So Lutherans can receive communion when they abandon their errors and actually do end up with the same faith i.e. the Catholic faith!*
but catholics are not christians
Skeptical Organism lol :-)
the word heretic was never used by Christ nor Peter
John Stiles Alleluia
I'm a practicing Catholic and I considered the lutherans my fellow brothers in Crist
They are, but they should not receive communion unless they convert to the Catholic Church. If you "Love them" then tell them the truth! don't just be indulgent.
@@berniepeng I thought we were in communion with them, since they appear to be so similar, thanks for the info
@Said Eli Cueva Sava Vatican 2 is in the Church
They are not brothers in Christ, becausw they do not share the same one true faith.
They do not share the same doctrine as practicing catholics hence they are not our brothers in Christ. Because they are not on the same playing field, are call our separated brethren. Its impossible to be of the church when the doctrine they espouse is the exact opposite.
Catholics and Lutherans are one family. Disputes happen but we share a Western heritage and faith in trinity.
No we dont. Catholicism is a totalitarian left wing ideology while lutheranism is just the belief that Jesus from nasareth existed.
Horny Pervert Lutheranism is much more than that. It has much more in common with Roman Catholicism than most or arguably almost all other Christian traditions.
@@nathanielstuck2422 He's trying to trigger you dude.
@@hornypervert3781 Lol, in which case that makes me a Lutheran. I do believe Jesus of Nazareth existed. I just don't believe there wad anything devine about him...
Change is always hard. Coming together in love and respect is wonderful
+Donna Seishas Its not love when you lie to someone or mislead them. Neither is that respect.
+Donna Seishas Change is very hard Donna. I hope you get to come together in love with a Lutheran soon.
One faith, one baptism, one Lord.
Not by the same doctrine
@@austinnatsuki2678 dlatego trzeba analizować pismo .Z resztą tak czy siak taka czy inna koncepcja teologiczna ,to nie Jezus ,w którym jest zbawienie
I notice that some people here should learn their lessons better concerning what the Lutherans teach and what is the state of the Lutheran - Catholic discussion of doctrine today. Besides I must remind that already Saint John Paul II visited the Lutheran churches of Sweden and Finland and presented himself as "a brother in Christ" for us.
At one point or another we gotta be one because God is not of divion among us Christians
Francesco ❤❤ God bless you. God bless all the christians in this world 🙏🙏🙏🌷🌷🌷🌷
many of us Catholics don't like him. can you Lutherans take him with you?
Jesus Christ is the universal King and Lord of both Roman Catholics and Lutherans in fact of all Christians!.
Larry Jung lutherans are too lazy to do anything about the problems but they go to church for socializing.
Amen
Horny Pervert Lutherans in the US, though smaller in numbers, run the large social service agencies, hospitals and more. Our large Catholic and Lutheran parishes sit across the street from each other, and do joint Taize services weekly. The Lutheran pastor, grew up as RC. No joint communion but much in common, shared ministry running food banks, worship opportunities and more.
Lutherans are a bunch of heretics and Martin Luther is rotting in hell for sure
I cannot see anywhere where he actually said that a Lutheran may receive the blessed Sacrament. I did see a confused dialogue from the Holy Father though. Words have meaning. It is important we teach and believe what Christ taught and not the opposite to what he taught.
He is right, He does not have the authority to make pronouncement because he is not the POPE but an impostor.
Is it not clear in the catechism that for one to receive the Holy Communion, one must be Catholic, believe in Jesus in the Eucharist and be in a state of grace?
May God deliver us from the plans of the evil one. Amen.
+Brendan Quinn I think Catholic News Service labeled this video wrong i believe.
Thanks for the info Almeus.
The Holy Father simply has said that He has no authority at all in this regard..
We can be as ecumenists as we like, but you come to Communion trough Conversion; and Conversion is always an intimate issue, a personal choice.
If you believe in Transubstantiation of the Body of Christ, or at least if you can accept to be lead by others in this understanding of the Eucharist (by the Saints for example), maybe you should consider to convert and be again in the communion with the Vicar of Christ.
I think this was what the Holy Father was trying to say to Lutheran people when he said "talk to the Lord and move forward".
Confusion is what Bergoglio revels in.... unless its to bash traditional catholics.
Beautiful!
We are falling right into the Islamic Terrorists "arms people. Arguing among ourselves about this subject. Cool it. We all love Jesus Christ as our Savior. End of story.
Only hate hate hate hate hate.... only hate when christians talk, thats why I only believe in God without being a member of any religion, just God is enough for me.
Unfortunatly is not so easy as you are depicting it..
The history of the Church is the prove of this: people rejected the authority of the Holy See, they begun to fight, be divided ecc..
I think the Holy Father has pointed to all of you the only safe path: "talk to the Lord and then go forward", if you will be called to conversion, you will convert!
@@h.r.c.jansen4159 sorry buddy but the Catholic church is the only church established by Jesus. It was not man-made. You should be a part of the church Jesus established, and be careful about the false doctrines.
Jesus says that whoever eats my flesh and drink my blood shall never die. However, as the Pope said, what matters is the agreement in different things for example the trinity, the baptism etc.
With love
Your christian brother👋
@@h.r.c.jansen4159 by saying that, it makes you above God.
@@AuV3128 "...God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” James 4:6
I am catholic from Costa Rica. Saludos
Why we must unite....???
I cant see the benefit of it.
What we need to do, is to ask the Holy see to change this pope, I gave him the benefit of the doubt, no longer, he is corrupting doctrine and is very slow at addressing the sex abuse scandals which seem to plage the church in every state/country
me too, like for what? there are reasons why "we" are not.
the Lutheran Church would have to follow the same protocol as the Eastern Orthodox Churches who restored communion with Mother Church. The True Catholic Faith must not be altered for sake of "ecumenism" but rather other denominations must come to it.
+Derrek Garcia Yes. Catholicism is THE ONE TRUE FAITH.
And vice versa - the Lutheran reform should not be compromised for the sake of a false unity.
Never we True Orthodox will never be Papalist who worship an man and call him infalible how dare you
That's exactely how we Calvinists think about Papacy as well, though there are many Popes in history with great capacities and they are true christians.
Derrek Garcia the true lutheran church wouldn't commune with the catholics anyways, all you have to worry about are the ELCA's
In other words...if YOU want to receive Eucharist, receive. YOU are the arbiter or Truth by virtue of YOUR Baptism. God will bend to YOUR views of right and wrong, based on YOUR CONSCIENCE.
The Holy Father didn't said anything of this...
@@calasalosits the logical conclusion and implications
My question is. Are they willing to go to a catholic confession? If they can receive communion. They should also believe in the sacrament of confession. Unless they are sinless and cannot sin at all.
Lutherans have both private and corporate confession in our services. We define "sacrament" in different terms meaning we only have the eucharist and baptism as sacraments.
We don't have the same doctrine. If we did we would be the same Church and not in need of this discussion. It's true it is not your authority Pope Francis. The question has already been settled.
What irony; the self-professed observant Catholic you represent yourself as, openly disagrees with the primate of your own church. You are the true herectic.
The Crazy German Heinz The pope can be wrong. Being Catholic doesn’t mean you have to agree with the Pope.
Let see what he really said ... Pope Francis said that he cannot officially say that Lutherans can be admitted to Communion. He doesn’t have the competence. Therefore, Pope Francis knows, just like all Popes before him that he can’t change this.
He did say “Talk to the Lord and then go forward.” What did he mean...
What I think he meant is ...Continue talking and walking with the Lord and He will bring you to all Truth.
The Pope can alter this, because he can use his ex cathedra power. He would eventually not do it, because it would cause too much unrest within the RCC.
@@optimatus No he can't use ex cathedra power to alter it. No Pope can alter Doctrine.
@@SaintCharbelMiracleworker
But a Pope can amend, change and removed a Canon.
I think the best way is to seek God Wisdom on how to come up with a Lutheran Rites, the way St.Paul celebrates Holy Communion in 1Corinthian11:23-27
@@jongricafort4 No. If they want to receive the Eucharist they become Catholic. Its that simple. The Eucharist is not a matter of Cannon Law, it's a doctrine which means the Pope does not have the authority to change it.
@@SaintCharbelMiracleworker Matthew16:19
This is absolutely scandalous. How many will be lead in to error from these comments?
Well, he is wrong on this one and it's pretty clear why. Catholics and Lutherans have profound differences in belief on the nature of the Eucharist. Also, the Catholic Church teaches that protestant churches do not have valid sacraments (i.e. Christ is not present in them), so how we can share each other's sacraments - which signify unity of belief - is a complete mystery.
This is scandalous. What is this man doing to this Holy Church? Will no one put this beast down?
+MontChevalier he's doing what Jesus would do. Why is that so hard to understand? Open your heart.
PFP Billtown Remember that turning over tables and whipping people is within that area. Jesus did not sacrifice truth for petty feelings. You need to repent you blasphemer.
Vhan Rayala There is nothing to fix. The Church was never broken to begin with. These people rebelled against the Magisterium. And then proceeded to spread their errors via Princes with power. The only way out for them is to accept the wrong they did and align their doctrines with Catholic teaching.
+MontChevalier Good grief!
philmcnz Good grief your face!
Was dogmatic and doctrinal teaching of Council of Trent fallible or infallible?
A scandalous love for all people....just like Jesus' love for the unlovable.......
just wow (in a very good sense)
My mother, a very devout Missouri Synod Lutheran, insisted that Lutherans believed in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, and woe to anyone who said otherwise, so who knows?
I love Pope Francis. He is getting what is really important. Love of God and love of Jesus. Mercy and compassion always triumph over rules and doctrine. Isn't that why Jesus was hated by the Pharisees? He didn't follow their rules. Luckily God sees our hearts.
+jerseygangel Even the very idea that _"Mercy and compassion always triumph over rules and doctrine"_, if true, would be a doctrinal statement. In other words, what you are proposing is self-refuting.
+jerseygangel rules and doctrine are out baby! lets forget purgatory, hell, sin and all that Jazz. Catholics are now into love and feeling good... I mean really are you that stupid or was your comment a drunken joke?
As far as I have heard, no church doctrine as been eliminated. I understand Pope's Francis move toward Mercy is that if Catholics have committed these sins, such as divorce, abortion, instead of excommunicating them show mercy. Those people are still to be held accountable for what they did and must follow the steps to be reunited fully with the body of Christ. I am sorry if my statement wasn't more elaborate Zaphod and have caused you any anger. And I guess you are right Eufrosnia, Mercy and Compassion should be the doctrine that should be at the top of all other church doctrine. Peace!
jerseygangel you didn't answer anything I put forward because you didn't respond to me or my points. Pope Francis is sailing close to the wind of being deposed. His chum Kasper will be promoted to second string alter boy (if he is lucky) Perhaps he can get a job with the heretics and sodomite Lutherans and write a tell all book on how he nearly legitimised gay marraige
+Zaphod Trillian You brought up that the church magisterium is throwing out doctrine like purgatory and hell and sin. As far as the priests I talk to and the Catholic studies I participate in, not one doctrine has been thrown out. My take on Pope Francis is that which follows Jesus's own teaching, love the sinner and show mercy and forgiveness. Aren't we all sinners? Don't we put ourselves first instead of others Have you heard something different Zaphod that the church is changing any of its doctrine? It is my understanding that the Pope cannot change church doctrine, it has to go before the whole magisterium. For example, People who are divorced still have to go through annulment process to be reconciled with the church. Pope Francis, at the request of parishes world wide is trying to shorten the process as it takes a couple of years to do that. The Catholic church, at least where I live has had interfaith dialogue for many years. The Lutherans are one of the Protestant faiths that is the most like Catholics. Yes we have doctrinal differences. But Jesus Christ himself has given all Christians the commission of "Go make disciples and share the gospel message with all". Shouldn't that be the most important thing of any Christian. But I am just resPponding to this video that I really like what Pope Francis is doing. Don't mean to get into a confrontation with anyone. These are just my views and I am not an expert. May God's love and peace be with you Zaphod and to all.
I grew up with a Lutheran dad and Catholic mom. I was confirmed in the Lutheran church but became non denominational because I’m a strong believer in the idea that Jesus would want anyone who accepts Him and follows Him are all equal in the eyes of God. No divisions. I found it ironic that Catholics and Lutherans wish to be united but fail to actually take action and merge together.
I’ve actually taken communion in a Catholic Church many times because the relationship between me and God is between me and God. I see myself as a Christian but like Catholics do. Difference is, I don’t label myself as a Catholic.
You have become your own arbiter
False preacher alert! Not all religions lead to heaven. Not all religions believe in heaven or in an after life!!
Who am I to judge . I don’t know the Lutheran teaching however I am Catholic and our church teaches there is only one church the one Jesus gave Peter the Keys to the truth. Luther left the Church . Why? Need to do more research but we must come together for Chist.God help us understand.
Catholic and Lutheran views of the Eucharist are nearly identical.
Pope Francis tells us to take the implications from St Paul's phrase: "One Faith, One Baptism, One Lord". It is good Pope Francis declared St Irenaeus Doctor of Unity, as he is helpful here. St Irenaeus teaches that we are delivered tue rule of Faith by our Baptism and that if we persevere in living the Faith, either from innocently living after Baptism or after penance, we will be saved. The Doctor also teaches that the shared Faith makes the Church one household, as opposed to heretics who have a confusing variety of different doctrines. Apply this to the Eucharist. The Eucharist is the "source and Sacrament" of the Church's unity (St. JPII, "Ecclesia de Eucharistia"). To partake of it means to thus strengthen our already existing bond of unity in the Church. Thus it presupposes that we share the same Faith, since shared Faith makes us one household. And only members of the household partake of the one family bread. Since Lutherans have a different Faith to Catholics, they do not belong to the same Church, and thus cannot partake of the same Eucharist together. To do so would be to lie.
They should be allowed to receive Communion in the Catholic church.
I'm Catholic and I have no problem with what Pope Francis said, the Lutherans are our brothers in faith
You clearly don't understand that these Lutherans are pro-choice, pro homosexual, pro contraception etc. They are not "brothers in faith", they are heretics.
Buzz Targaryen At least they believe in god, more that we can say about half the population that claim to be atheist
So true!
Buzz Targaryen That's only liberal Lutheran churches of the ELCA and even there it's individual churches. Lutheran churches in the LCMS don't believe in those things.
Apoyo el comentario de Helge Lockner
This Pope is phantstic, a gift from Heaven! Remember that also our Lord Jesus Christ was critizised by the "good Believers" of his time, the pharisees, the scribes... (see critics below)
+Helge Lockner Apologies for my addictions.
Long Testicles = Long Life
One meal a day in the evening but still to be in bed at a reasonable rhythm.
No over exertion required.
New communion has been devised for humanity.
All works are complete except for the World Speech and 12 movies.
My Balls are singing loud.
+Helge Lockner So true, thank you for your beautiful words!
He is not....he changes so many things, and tells lies
Cry😢
Isaiah 40
6A voice says, “Cry out.”
And I said, “What shall I cry?”
“All people are like grass,
and all their faithfulness is like the flowers of the field.
7The grass withers and the flowers fall,
because the breath of the Lord blows on them.
Surely the people are grass.
8The grass withers and the flowers fall,
but the word
JESUS the Messiah
of our God endures forever.”
So, no, not until they come back to the Holy Catholic Church
This should be unity of Christian..a return to catholic belief
1:32am mayo 11 2020 creo que el gobierno de la república de México no quiere nada que ver en los de CD Juárez recibos dinero , pero yo no soy la diferente o que los federales la verdad
To me it sounded like Pope Francis was dancing around the question. He didn't really answer it, but it made it seem like he said Lutherans can receive Holy Communion.
It has nothing to do with Pope Francis. The curtain was torn when Jesus went to the cross so we could all come boldly to the throne of grace. Jesus is our only mediator not some Catholic Pope or priest. I am a priest under the Order of Melchezedik and I am just as righteous as Pope Francis. Stop allow in this man to put you down.
We Lutherans already receive Holy Communion. What he is talking about is if we should take it together. I wonder if Jesus would rather we come together or continue to bicker about some man made rules.
The Catholic Teen he means to repent them of course.
Dawn Stead grace is granted by the pope.
It was more like an invitation to check out the Church rather than saying that Lutherans can receive communion. Have more faith in your Holy Father.
There are people here talking about "mercy" and "love" with so much superficiality..
So why not to give communion also to muslims or buddhists!?
Everything in charity and love
papetee
What you think it hasn't been discussed?
Hopefully the 4 Cardinals will drain the swamp in the Vatican
That is a most christian wish.... NOT.
This is crazy, the Pope could have answered this question easily and politely.
When you believe you may recieve.
If you don't believe that the Eucharist is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ. Abstain
For it is better to Abstain then profane the Sacrament.
We Love our Christian Brothers and Sisters, but we must also Love in Truth.
Because Paul warns us.....
1 Corinthians 11,27
Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the
cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning
against the body and blood of the Lord. Each one must examine himself
before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. For anyone who
eats and drinks without recognising the body eats and drinks
judgement on himself. That is why many among you are weak and
sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.
In John 6, Christ does not speak metaphors here, and many of his followers turn away.
Christ has but One Flesh.
So those that recieve it ought be of One Faith, the Catholic One.
The Church wants Christians to recieve the Sacrament. But not to Profane it.
If a Priest gives Communion to an Un-confirmed Christian in full knowledge that Priest is a Heretic, who does alot of Harm to both Himself and the Un-confirmed Person recieving. Profaning the sacrament, and denying the true presence of Christ.
This is tremendously upsetting since the Priests are Gods Annointed Ones.
Mathew 5,37 But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.
St Ignatius and Martyr 35AD-108AD Bishop of Antioch, Student of the Apostle John. Wrote this:
"Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God... They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes."
Hate to break it to you... Lutherans believe that stuff...
@@sageseraphim6720
Good to know that, then one thing is needed by Lutheran, follow St.Paul in Galatians2:7-9 by seeking the "right hand" of Pope Francis Magisterium so that their celebration on Holy Communion will be united to the Catholic Church and their communion be sanctified in fullness by the Holy Spirit.
@@jongricafort4 we believe in Jesus not the pope.
@@hakunamatata6462 The true Jesus believe in Pope.Proof? the true Jesus entrusted His Church and gave the Pope the Keys to His Kingdom.(Matthew16:18-19)...i think your jesus is a fake jesus.
@@jongricafort4 The pope is fake, I don't believe in the pope related stuff.
speaking quietly doesn't make you right
One baptism, one Lord, one faith. Talk to the Lord and move forward. But still not allowed to have communion in Catholic church. Why? Because for Catholics the wine is blood of Christ. For Catholics the bread is the body of Christ. For Lutherans we drink the wine to remember the blood of Christ and we eat the bread to remember the body of Christ. A very thiny difference. But we have the same baptism, the same Lord and one Christian faith. Therefore I do not like churces as a 'domicile' too many differences and interpretations. Therefore I choose the word of God and leave the rest.
O, Your Holiness! Please! I know you're good person but you're father and teacher of us. You are Catholic Christian. Good father or teacher, whether they like it or not, have to say “no” to their children when they are doing something that will harm themselves. Even if the child really, really wants to do it.
What would be needed for union? Lutherans would have to accept the other 5 sacraments, purgatory, and accept the deuterocanonical books as inspired, and accept papal authority. The teaching of Scripture alone (a teaching not found in Scripture) would have to go, and Tradition would have to be accepted. (The Lutheran teaching that the pope is antichrist is found in the Smalcald Articles of the Lutheran Book of Concord, but not all Lutheran groups even accept as official teaching all that is in the Book of Concord. In practice, most Lutherans have never heard of the Book of Concord, or read it, much less read all of Luther's Works.) Catholics would have to accept certain Lutheran customs as well as (as they did with the Anglicans) use of such things as the King James Bible (with the deuterocanonical books, of course. William Tyndale was a Lutheran). Catholics would have to reaffirm the conviction of the Church in the plenary verbal inspiration of Scripture, very important to sacramental Lutherans (there will be no union with the pro-abortion crowd). The teachings of Westcott-Hort, and the Higher Criticism of the Bible (inventions of liberal Protestants, not Lutherans) would have to go. The teachings of Darwin and Dawkins would have to go (no liberal consigning of Genesis to the realm of myth and legend). Lutherans would have to accept the goodness of good works as well as grace and faith ; Catholics would have to repudiate the idea of works-righteousness or that God's grace can be bought with money (a belief not uncommon about Catholics among some Lutherans). In the Catholic response to the Lutheran Augsburg Confession, agreement was proclaimed by that Catholics with about one third of it, while another third was accepted with qualifications, and the final third was rejected. Lutherans and Catholics will both have to accept that the breakup of the Church in the 16th Century was a tragedy that should not have happened, and need not have happened. Will Lutheran-Catholic union be easy? No. But then again, nothing that is really good really is.
Great response. Your analysis reflects that with some give and take on the part of both groups, none of which are destructive to their own doctrine, union could be accomplished.
Don't worry brother, God with us. We are not work alone 🙏
I think I'll be more comfortable in a Presbyterian Church.
that's not the only issue, lutherans are monergistic and believe in inconditional election, whereas the catholics are synergistic and believe in a conditional election
@@tatogl2616 You are absolutely correct about that, but the Lutheran church at the same time rejects inconditional damnation. Its position is not logical (Lutherans would say it is a mystery), but this teaching would have to go in any real union. In practice, many Lutherans actually endorse the Catholic position without knowing it.
This is wrong pope francis , there is only one religion the catholic religion , you should have gone there to convert them, and not just say well we are okay with this.
No
Maybe the Pope has a heart that is more open then yours.
Shut the fuck up your church isn't the oldest anyway
Dude, I think he was inviting the Lutherans to join the Catholic Church by extending a hand out to them in hopes of deepening the understand of the Catholic ways.
Revelation 12
7Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9The great dragon was hurled down-that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
10Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
“Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Messiah.
For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down.
11They triumphed over him
by the blood of the Lamb
and by the word of their testimony;
they did not love their lives so much
as to shrink from death.
12Therefore rejoice, you heavens
and you who dwell in them!
But woe to the earth and the sea,
because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury,
because he knows that his time is short.”
13When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach. 15Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 16But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring-those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.
I would absolutely agree with the pope. Lutherans ARE catholics, and indeed in most of his remarks Luther was right, Sola Scriptura aside. Sola fide is very misleading, nost because of the totally WRONG interpretation that protestants from Calvin on gave of it. Sola gratia is arguable. However, the works of a revolutionary , and a christian.
Arians who denied the divinity of Christ had the same baptism too. So did countless other heretics. The Church and the saints had no difficulty saying whether or not they can receive communion. The fact that Lutherans have a valid baptism means nothing for this particular issue as long as they cling to heretical beliefs.
The difference is that Lutherans believe in the power of baptism, unlike those Aryans. Surely you aren't denying that Lutherans who believe in their baptism can be saved by it? That doesn't make any sense even to Catholic doctrine. That's insulting the Word of God, putting it down and saying that we sinful humans do it better than God's divine power.
Francis is dismantling the Church but only few Catholics notice this. This is nothing but a mockery of the Most Holy Eucharist.
+Bishop SCO Yes, true I've noticed very much. The Catholic church is quite clear on who can receive HOLY COMMUNION. You must be baptised, be confirmed in the Catholic church, have made your first Communion. Be in the state of grace (have made your confession to a validly ordained Catholic priest) believe in the true presence, the authority of the Catholic church from the Pope down and it teachings (Magisterium).
how can people convert "faith" if they allredy must be catholic to go on a mess? that are quite stagnating
sklenars , I thought Orthodox can receive communion and Orthodox don't believe the exact same things about the Pope nor do they have any First Communion separate from the one at Chrismation (Confirmation) which happens after Baptism. That said, unlike the Lutheran Church, the Orthodox Church is classified as a "true Particular Church" even though Orthodox don't see it that way
I am lutheran and I hope one day catholics and lutherans will be one church again under the authority of the Pope and within the apostolic succession.
I wonder if you're actually Lutheran. Either way, if you are so under the Beast the Pope's spell, then get out and join the Roman church. Bible Protestantism will be strengthened by losing lukewarm idiots like you
I JUST CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS PAPACY TO COME TO AN END. ENOUGH IS ALREADY ENOUGH!!!
Latin communion can be given to anybody , as the novus ordo Mass and priesthood are invalid. Francis was ordained in the new invalid ordination rite of Paul V1. So, most likely Francis is a layman. Paul V1, the terminator of Latin rite must most appropriately be canonised by this layman
Praying that both churches come into communion with each other. 🙏🏻
there are reasons why they are separated, just remember that.
No wonder 😂 soon Antichrist shall emerge and going to declare all who believes in any religions and cultures are brothers and sisters and God is pleased to grant them new heaven 😂 so soon Lutheran Church shall denounce the man Martin Luther 😂and label him Anti religious 😂😂
Convert lutherans to the one true catholic faith
I think if you interviewed all Catholics you'
d find that the majority of them already are Lutheran, they just don' know it
I’m Mormon and I love watching videos of the Pope. “One faith, one baptism, one lord.” I love this quote so much
Luterans cristhians gays oe lesbians no matter the vatican must keep his whealty status income no matter what
Hope .not for the Consevative Lutheran church in America
I do not make a pact with the great harlot, the catholics are not my brothers in Christ
you commenters are hilarious. Especially in light of the fact that ALL the churches are losing people left and right; who gets communion where and with whom is becoming the least of your worries.
Pope😂is another Catholic Padre😂 he is not the representative of Christ😢
CONFESSION AND HOLY COMMUNION
A: ...they must receive the Sacraments; receive them in the proper way. True confession, not just participation in penitential ceremonies, and Communion. At this time (Communion) the priest should say “Lord, I am not worthy” three times, and not just once.[7] Communion must he received in the mouth and not in the hand.
E: Speak only the truth, in the name of the Precious Blood, the Holy Cross, the Immaculate Conception of Lourdes. Our Lady of the Rosary of Fatima!
A: We racked our brains for a very long time down there (he points downward), until we succeeded in getting Communion in the hand under way.[8] Communion in the hand... Communion in the hand is very good for us in Hell, believe me!
E: We order you, in the name... to say only what Heaven orders you! Speak only the truth, you have no right to lie, so leave off, stop it!
A: She (he points upward) wishes me to say...
E: Tell the truth, in the name...!
A: She wishes me to say... that if She, the Great Lady, were still living on earth. She would receive Communion in the mouth, but on her knees, and She would bow deeply, like this (he makes the gesture).
E: In the name of the Blessed Virgin... and of the Thrones, by order of the Thrones, tell the truth!
A: I have to say the Communion must not be received in the hand. The Pope himself gives Communion in the mouth. He does not want Communion to be given in the hand at all. That comes from the Cardinals.
E: In the name..., by order of the Thrones, tell the truth!
A: Then it went to the bishops and they imagined that it was a question of obedience, that they must obey the cardinals. Finally, it came to the priests, and they, in turn, imagined that they had to conform, because obedience is written in very large letters.
"Warnings from the Beyond?
I have always found it very amusing when believers argue about rituals. Get a life. God doesn't exist anyway, so let us not argue about how many times a priest must say some mantra and enjoy the art of the cathedrals and the beauty of chore singing.
Non si capisce. Un papa che ha paura davanti a un teologo, come se Lui non fosse il capo dei teologi e dei maestri di dottrina.
Martin Luther divided the Church with all his heresies, lies and hate. His descendants should face the consequences. No, they should not receive Holy Communion in the Catholic Church. They have their own stuff, let them receive in their place
Shut down RCIA. There is no point to it.
No, Lutherans don't have the same beliefs as us. They are not part of the Holy Eucharist in a Catholic church
Baptism....Nicene Creed
St Paul warns us that "For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves." Catholics have always understood the Eucharist as "body, blood, soul and divinity" that comes to us by "transubstantiation". Lutherans do NOT. Catholic's are taught that in order to observe the warning of St. Paul, we must receive communion in the state of sanctifying grace, that can only be achieved in the sacrament of confession. Lutherans do not have the sacrament of confession, so how do they "achieve" sanctifying grace". If Catholics must receive communion by regular confession, then how do we reconcile the fact that Lutherans can't!!?? Lutheran's should refrain from receiving communion in a catholic Church. Lutheran communion is understood as "consubstantiation", and they do not believe in the "real presents" the way Catholics do! If they did, where is their tabernacle? The Pope is wrong, again! the pope is an indifferentist. This was condemned as a heresy in the early church.
The views are so close that it's like arguing that its not red and yellow that make orange but rather yellow and red that make orange
No gentile papal caesar can ever stand within the Seventh-day Adventist churches that are independent. We make no compromise with this representative of that mother of harlots and abominations of the earth. If Martin Luther is alive today, he will surely scold these apostate Lutherans who make such dirty and servile compromise with Rome. "IT IS A BACKSLIDING CHURCH THAT LESSENS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN ITSELF AND THE PAPACY" (Ellen G. White)
Heretic!
yuckkkkk, shame on you, Lutherans!
IF FRANCIS REALLY LOVED THESE PEOPLE HE WOULD REFUSE TO GIVE THEM COMMUNION.
KYRIE ELEISON.
O my heavenly father this pope is an abomination! He's leading all people to the pits of hell!! We are living in the end times! Read the revelation believe the word of God pray to him and repent!
I preach Christs cross, I teach Eternal Life. Gods truth its the only reason the LORD SHOWS UP. To be a witness of his Holy Truth taught you don't know. his TRUTH
HE HAS NO IDEA WHO YOU ARE. GET THEE FROM ME I NEVER KNEW YOU.