I live in Italy and bought online a NWT more than 15 years ago directly from BF and it still rides great. I have quite a few other bikes( Fargo, El Mariachi, 1991 Rockhopper and a custom racing bike) but if I should only keep one I no doubt keep the NWT. Now the All Packa is the first on my wish list. Great job Bike Friday.
Has there been any consideration of an up-spec Pinion & Gates version? Losing the greasy chain, fragile deraileur, and cassette seems like it would be worthwhile on folders meant for quick and convenient travel.
The Pinion hubs are pretty outstanding if you can afford the cost. That's the most upscale bottom bracket around. There are lots of options at a much lower price point.
Pinion with Veer Spilt Belt will be nice too. No need to cut the frame in half. Maybe add something to hold the handlebar after unfolding like Airnimal Joey Connector Kit on the handlebar stem instead of on the main frame.
I want one!!!!!!!!! it's so expensive here in our country! I've owned almost all types of commercial bikes (BMX, hybrid, roadbikes, cyclocross, 650b MTB, 29 MTB, Djumper, cruisers, 26 MTB, full suspension MTB, various folding bikes, etc) but I know for sure ALL PACKA is my dream bike!
I'm decades into my BkFri Air Llama - a masterpiece and a model sadly they discontinued. I have travelled continents and put some major kilos on this thing and pounded it - and it is just as good as the day I bought it! Not one issue and that is easily a testament to old school Deore XT as well. I love this thing and would love to buy another and I need to make up a reason.
Pinion with Veer Spilt Belt will be nice too. No need to cut the frame in half. Maybe add something to hold the handlebar after unfolding like Airnimal Joey Connector Kit on the handlebar stem instead of on the main frame. Titanium version with all the above mentioned will be like jackpot.
I might have to start saving for one, gives me more confidence since designer Willie is my height! I love folding bikes and there really is nothing like this - so unique. Only thing I would change is probably some modernized branding someday but I guess that can be customized :)
Looks like such a great bike, very tempting N+. I am a bit concerned about the relatively small integrated clamp at the steering column. Given reports of road oriented versions of this bike having had shifts in certain circumstances (bar turns independent of the wheel). Circumstances I imagine would be much more common in an off-road version. Has the design been improved to prevent this type of scenario?
Doesnt seem to have any system to lock the handlebar and front part into place, like the packit has. So it is just a wobbly mess to carry around. So far I havent seen any footage that this thing can be rolled when folded.
Just bought one. I’ll likely go with a hot waxed chain to limit the chain grease when I travel. Would have preferred belt drive. Pinion would be awesome.
Any thoughts of making a Titanium version? I love my NWT. I fly 30k miles a month with mine. Set it up with a straight, trimmed, carbon bar, and SRAM AXS 1x drivetrain. 52x11-36 and I go anywhere. I use 2 chains. They get cleaned in a ultrasonic tank and then dipped in crockpot full of wax. I swap the chains every 400 or so miles. Totally clean. All my clothes are in packing cubes that pad up the hard side Samsonite. I run out of weight capacity before volume. Hence the desire for titanium.
I'm 6 foot tall and I've got a diamond Llama. I'm a bikepacker more than a bitumen rider. Would switching to this provide me better off road handling or I'm too tall to get much benefit compared to the diamond llama ?
That's a good question. The trail of the bike is a bit different than on the Diamond Llama. The fatter tires will definitely make a difference. I'd say overall, yes, you would have a better off road experience on the All-Packa than a Diamond Llama.
I have yet to see BF models that will give Brompton a good run. Because of this, I prefer Brompton each and every time. Don't get me wrong, I have two BFs too, World Tourist and Pocket Rocket. But I am always hesitent to carry it in my trunk due to hassel of disassembly/reassembly.
Thanks for your comment. There's always an engineering tradeoff. Bromptons have their use cases as sd Bike Fridays. We optimize for ride quality first, then ease of folding.
I hate taking any folding bikes onto a crowded bus or train, so fast or compact folding isn't a priority. Gearing and gear changing on the Bromptons are just not convincing enough. I too have a Brompton and it just sits on the shelf, haha
My goodness i want one! I would travel the world if i had this bike. Super cool
I live in Italy and bought online a NWT more than 15 years ago directly from BF and it still rides great.
I have quite a few other bikes( Fargo, El Mariachi, 1991 Rockhopper and a custom racing bike) but if I should only keep one I no doubt keep the NWT.
Now the All Packa is the first on my wish list.
Great job Bike Friday.
15 years ago? Mario! How did you learn of BF back then?
I'm American and I learned of BF just this year. Mama Mia...😮😮😮
I love it! Y'all continue to be in the edge of what consumers want, while continuing to provide quality!
Love the bike packing handlebars with extensions!
Yes! The Packalope handle bars are very versatile.
Has there been any consideration of an up-spec Pinion & Gates version? Losing the greasy chain, fragile deraileur, and cassette seems like it would be worthwhile on folders meant for quick and convenient travel.
The Pinion hubs are pretty outstanding if you can afford the cost. That's the most upscale bottom bracket around. There are lots of options at a much lower price point.
@@bikefriday like what would you suggest?
IGH hubs with Gates Belt drive maybe
Pinion with Veer Spilt Belt will be nice too. No need to cut the frame in half. Maybe add something to hold the handlebar after unfolding like Airnimal Joey Connector Kit on the handlebar stem instead of on the main frame.
Beautiful bike! Congratulations!
I want one!!!!!!!!! it's so expensive here in our country! I've owned almost all types of commercial bikes (BMX, hybrid, roadbikes, cyclocross, 650b MTB, 29 MTB, Djumper, cruisers, 26 MTB, full suspension MTB, various folding bikes, etc) but I know for sure ALL PACKA is my dream bike!
Really good video, and an amazing piece of engineering.... well done Bike Friday
Beautiful 🤩
I'm decades into my BkFri Air Llama - a masterpiece and a model sadly they discontinued. I have travelled continents and put some major kilos on this thing and pounded it - and it is just as good as the day I bought it! Not one issue and that is easily a testament to old school Deore XT as well. I love this thing and would love to buy another and I need to make up a reason.
Pinion with Veer Spilt Belt will be nice too. No need to cut the frame in half. Maybe add something to hold the handlebar after unfolding like Airnimal Joey Connector Kit on the handlebar stem instead of on the main frame. Titanium version with all the above mentioned will be like jackpot.
I’m into this idea
I need to see belt and gear hub option before I pull the trigger.
I want this bike so bad.
insane, I just found my euro trip bike!
I’m definitely going to have to get one of those😊
I might have to start saving for one, gives me more confidence since designer Willie is my height! I love folding bikes and there really is nothing like this - so unique. Only thing I would change is probably some modernized branding someday but I guess that can be customized :)
this looks like such a fun bike
Looks like such a great bike, very tempting N+. I am a bit concerned about the relatively small integrated clamp at the steering column. Given reports of road oriented versions of this bike having had shifts in certain circumstances (bar turns independent of the wheel). Circumstances I imagine would be much more common in an off-road version. Has the design been improved to prevent this type of scenario?
Not sure I like how the bike folds! Are the handle bars really just loose like that!
I'd worry about excessive frame movement and vibration at the extremeties causing breaks and cracking tho
Outta this & de newest 20 inch Brompton G line,, which is the more stable bike?
Looking at how that folds, i want a mount for the handlebars on the back of the seatstay
its nice but much better if they fold the way like tern or dahon bikes folds.
How does the fold work for a rohloff hub?
For 2024, Can the All Packa use racks, panniers and fenders?
Is there a belt drive option?
Doesnt seem to have any system to lock the handlebar and front part into place, like the packit has. So it is just a wobbly mess to carry around. So far I havent seen any footage that this thing can be rolled when folded.
Just bought one. I’ll likely go with a hot waxed chain to limit the chain grease when I travel. Would have preferred belt drive. Pinion would be awesome.
Any thoughts of making a Titanium version? I love my NWT. I fly 30k miles a month with mine. Set it up with a straight, trimmed, carbon bar, and SRAM AXS 1x drivetrain. 52x11-36 and I go anywhere. I use 2 chains. They get cleaned in a ultrasonic tank and then dipped in crockpot full of wax. I swap the chains every 400 or so miles. Totally clean. All my clothes are in packing cubes that pad up the hard side Samsonite. I run out of weight capacity before volume. Hence the desire for titanium.
No current design for Titanium, but..anything is possible at Bike Friday!
I'm 6 foot tall and I've got a diamond Llama. I'm a bikepacker more than a bitumen rider. Would switching to this provide me better off road handling or I'm too tall to get much benefit compared to the diamond llama ?
That's a good question. The trail of the bike is a bit different than on the Diamond Llama. The fatter tires will definitely make a difference. I'd say overall, yes, you would have a better off road experience on the All-Packa than a Diamond Llama.
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Awesome! We look forward to seeing your pictures and hearing your adventure stories!
I LOVE TO GET ONE . HOW ?
bikefriday.com/product/bike-friday-all-packa/
Im debating on selling my new albion microbrew or my retromod trek 930 to make room/funds for this.
That a tough call! 😊
Wish the gross weight limit was higher.
Dear @bikefriday Front Rack Pannier original dari BF NWT apakah bisa di pasangkan di BF AllPacka?
This needs to have a "heavy rider" option.
Hello, I am 1m83 tall...You mean this bike is not for me ?
Hi Thierry, with our bikes being customizable and built to order, we are able to build an All-Packa for people with a 20" inch and up inseam.
@@bikefriday you mean you build the frame to my measurements ?
@@tmourlan Yes, with our smallest option starting at a 20" inseam.
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I have yet to see BF models that will give Brompton a good run. Because of this, I prefer Brompton each and every time. Don't get me wrong, I have two BFs too, World Tourist and Pocket Rocket. But I am always hesitent to carry it in my trunk due to hassel of disassembly/reassembly.
Thanks for your comment. There's always an engineering tradeoff. Bromptons have their use cases as sd Bike Fridays. We optimize for ride quality first, then ease of folding.
I hate taking any folding bikes onto a crowded bus or train, so fast or compact folding isn't a priority. Gearing and gear changing on the Bromptons are just not convincing enough. I too have a Brompton and it just sits on the shelf, haha
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