How To Buy Steel Like A Pro - STOP! Paying Too Much For Steel.
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Among the most valuable 10 minutes I've spent attending UA-cam University learning how to weld. I feel more than confident enough to walk into my local steel supplier and fake it 'til I make it. Thanks Doug!
Glad it was helpful Matt
Don't forget local fabrication shops. There are no steel suppliers within 60 miles of me, but a local shop makes farm equipment, and sells steel to the public. I always check their discard bin for shorter pieces!
great suggestion
If they have steel and sell steel to the public, are they not a Steel Supplier?
@@starhawke380 I would say not, if they don't sell bundles or gross amounts
I work at a small welding shop. We get deliveries of steel every other week, and we have helped out people locally by adding whatever they need to our orders. It can be a massive savings for them, and it's really no trouble for us.
Cold rolled steel is not annealed unless ordered as such. In fabrication this may not matter much but remember that Cold roll is highly stressed internally from the forming process. If Cold roll steel is machined the material will wiggle and squirm as the stresses are relieved. The main result is warping of thin sections cut from thicker plate or bars of steel. Annealing or stress relieving avoids this problem.
I needed some beefy angle iron a while back, found a 3ft length at a local chain store for $37.50. Called the local steel yard, and was quoted a 20ft joint for $78. The steel yard even offered to cut to my lengths required at no additional costs.
always try to support local companies vs megacorps / multinationals 👍love the local scrap yard
@@chrishayes5755 Some are great to deal with and some are rip offs that charge more than new steel prices..
100% spot on. I asked one of our university's welding instructors where I could buy from a supplier, and he gave me a name before I could even blink. It was that easy. I compared prices with our box store, and the markup was just like you said.
First time I've ever both liked and subscribed based on 1 video. Very well laid out, simple and to the point, easy to understand, ad toward the end.
Great info. Been doing metal work for 50+ years as a hobby and to fab stuff for myself and friends. Your info to the 'newbie' was PERFECT! 😍
30 years ago, I used to work for a local steel supplier in sales. Despite only doing this for four years, I learned a lot and found my aquired knowledge to be very beneficial later on in life for a variety of home projects. Your video remnded me of those old days and found your explsination and presentation to be spot-on. BTW, I still find my old Ryerson and Central Steel & Wire supply catalogs to be very helpful when i need steel. Great video!
The way you relayed this info was easily understandable and comprehensive. Thank you!
You're very welcome!
Dude, thank you. you just summed up so many things i was looking for. i appreciate it.
Excellent video! It's always nice to learn from a professional so that I can talk to other professionals in a language they will understand.
Your one of the coolest customers I've ever dealt with bud! You've always been a great guy to deal with, keep up the great work!
I appreciate that Brian, thank you
This is all information that I already knew, but the way you explained it for people who don't know much about steel was perfect. I've just subscribe cause I'm always trying to learn new techniques in steel works..
Great video. I know a lot of people don't know where to go to pick up steel. Until your video I had no idea that the big box stores were selling steel. I've seen some of their smaller stuff but nothing that grabbed my attention.
I am very fortunate. One of my closest friend in this world owns a large welding business and has locations across the state. He mostly uses gas welders and they are all stick welders in all of his rotation. I fix his machines and do some welding when it comes to technical things.
In return I don't have to buy any metal I don't even need to have my bottles refilled. Whenever I need something I ride to the location that's closest to his in my house. I understand he has ever asked me to do is not take enough steel to build a good size shed. I also was lucky that he used to have a brake machine at the one location. One of his employees had taken the big forklift and nailed it. He did so much damage that it would happen easier to buy a new one. They never used it that much right now get that service from the steel yard. Just like you said you need to ask different steel yards that what I call places that sell steel.
I really like your video so much so that I definitely hit the like button and I most definitely hit the subscribe button. I really like how you broke everything down on what to look for when buying steel.
Thanks, Doug. My first buy was "whatever is standard for this project"... The guy at the steel supply was nice enough not to roll his eyes but I felt the "Ugh, another noob" vibe. They were cool, tho, and the next time I knew a bit more. Specificity is the name of the game with metal.
Thanks for sharing your pro tips, they're invaluable.
Thanks for the great info!
Havent seen a cool guy video in a wile ,thank you sir for your time and keep ‘‘em coming
Very helpful knowledge. The last part was a nice finish to the video. I work in new residential AC electrical warehouse and get asked dumb questions as well
EXTREMELY HELPFUL!!! I’m a newb just learning. Now, I just need to rewatch it a couple times and TAKE NOTES!!!!
Thanks again!
Glad it was helpful!
Just what I was looking for, great vid
Thanks for the info, I have a project that needs steel or aluminum ( needs testing ), and knowing the pricing helps a lot. My needs are simple, overall, but not being in the business, this video really cemented things in my mind.
Really thought this was a cool video. Thanks for the advices. You rock sir!
you are a great teacher
Great video, thanks for all the info, very helpful!
Glad it was helpful
Doug very well said there. Great advice thank you so much. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend. Very helpful video. Thank you can't wait to see ur next videos. Fab On. Weld On. Keep Making. God bless.
Thanks Jared, you too!
Hey man, you did a really great job with this video. It was really concise. Just bought a welder after years of contemplating. I am a woodworker but I wanted to dabble in metal. I appreciate this information.
Welcome to welding! If you're doing MIG try out some of the new flux core wire. It works pretty well. Solid wire with shielding gas is always cleaner, but that flux core stuff works well outside especially if there's a breeze where gas can shield as well. Usually push with gas, drag with flux core. I'm no expert just a hobby welder. Have fun.
Thank you so much for making this! Subscribed!
Thanks so much for the sub, it's greatly appreciated
Great video! As a tradesman picking up welding as a hobby I really appreciate it. I know what to ask for when I walk into a HVAC or plumbing supplier but no idea going into a metal supplier.
Super helpful video for a newbie like myself. Thanks man!
Great Video Doug , Good Info . I've been Lucky so Far , Yard Sales , Plus trading with Friends !
Always Good too see you
Talk Soon Barry!!!
Thanks Barry
Good work! Much needed.
Thank You for a great video. I learns lot!!
Learned!!! Uggg
Thanks for the info. Great video. Keep up the good work.
Really informative and correct information. Thank you Sir.
Thanks Doug. Great information. I have been taking photos of the types of metal I seen to learn what they are with the uses. There is a lot of info to learn. Thanks again.
Glad to help Allen
Awesome video, thanks.
Dude, that was great. Thanks
so nice to get real information. too many years is faking my way through it.
perhaps a video on all the places one can find cheap or free metal.
I had to learn this stuff on my own a couple of years ago building a small cnc milling machine. Good information.
All my steel shops sell everything at 20’ length and charge $5 per cut. I bring my cordless cut off wheel and cut them in half in the parking lot.
My supplier will do one cut for free for hauling purposes
@@ArtfullyRogue all of a sudden my supplier looks more like a thief
Suppliers here do one free torch cut
My local supplier charges $5 per cut and you have to come back usually the next day. They do offer 10 or 12 ft lengths for the same price per foot. BTW a prius can fit 10ft lengths with the hatch closed, passenger seat down and material resting on the dash.
Once again...great info! Thanks, Doug!!
You are very welcome my friend
searched hours for this and found you i appreciate what you shared here
I'm really glad it helped
Thanks for the rundown, much appreciated! This video is really well done and to the point. You have a new sub!
Thank you very much Lucky LB
Love this, very helpful!
really good info, thank you !!!
This man is the metal Jesus. Thank you very much for the info!
haha 😄 you are very welcome. I'm glad it helped
Very informative and well-organized. Thank you for sharing. 👍
Thanks for watching!
Ty for the video, and yes steel in box stores are very high.
Great video glad I found this working on my water feature.
Great vid. 👍
Nice and well done : ) thanks for the info!
Glad it was helpful!
Great presentation! Box stores can be a cheaper source if you look into the Electrical department. They have round tubing EMT and conduit in 10 foot lengths in a variety of diameters if you don't use it for pipe. The conduit ends are straight threaded, not tapered, and will leak, the wall thickness is less. Its still very useful and they have pre bent 45 and 90 degree pieces available. In the same rack is steel Uni Strut and 10 foot lengths of 1/2'' Allthread that is much cheaper than the 3 foot lengths.
Great video and information. Thanks!
Great Vid Bro...
As a machinist I have heard and used the word stock many times to describe what was wanted even by some metal suppliers. IE: 3/4 round stock, hex stock, square stock... that us common for solid material and like you said pipe or tubing for those needs. Nice video but you might want to mention the different types/grades of mild steels and other metals as well as annealed/normalized or hardened. There is a lot of different types and it can get confusing especially for someone that is newer to metal work. Thanks for sharing this info 👍
I needed this - thanks for a great video !!
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent video. Thanks!
Very informative. Thank you.
Good info, good video!
This was awesome.
Thanks
Also you have extruded tubing and welded, so one will have a seem inside (as the outside will be ground smooth), so if you want sliding pards you don't want this seem inside, as it's a pain to remove
Very helpful! Thanks for making this! :)
You're so welcome! Thanks for checking it out!
Very good explanation. Not to muddy the waters but.....Pipe is used a lot in general fabrications, not just for liquids and gases. Case in point: most industrial hand rails/guard rails are made from 1-1/4" pipe. It fits the code diameter requirements and is cheaper than tube. Your steel supplier should have it and they will call it "pipe size tube". It will not be coated with lacquer (as is regular pipe) and will also not be threaded on the ends. But it will be sold in 21 foot lengths, where tube is usually sold in 20 foot lengths. And...most "process" piping (such as ink in a printing facility or hydraulic oil in a manufacturing plant will be "plumbed" with tube so that the system can be designed/manufactured to handle the characteristics of the fluid such as the pressure, volume, acidity, etc. that the piping will need to handle. It takes years to pick up on all these quirks of the metals industry. (40 plus years experience here.) Thanks again, good video.
Thanks for adding the extra info. Sometimes its hard to include every little detail and still keep peoples attention. The comment section helps to fill in the blanks for sure.
In my area this is referred to as structural pipe. It usually does not meet the certification requirements for schedule pipe. It is often used in construction for posts. Great point as is typically much cheaper.
man i learned quick, but i had an absolute angel for asteel supplier, when i was new to the game i went in and asked for a tab but i said can i borrow x dollars, this lady started to pick up her purse to pull cash out and give it to me, i said no no no i need steel it more valuable to both of us that way... the gesture of getting her purse though, ill never ever use anyone but her for my supplier
Very informative Doug, keep putting new content up and your channel will grow... I will continue to “like” and look forward to more.
Awesome! Thank you BJ
The key to cheap steel is live in Australia.
Over here you can ask for downgrade (rusty offcuts) if you are really strapped for cash
All these years and I never realized tubing is measured OD and Pipe ID. Thinking back it makes sense. Thanks for the tips.
Pipe is based on the id of schedule 40 I believe meaning schedule 80 of the same diameter will have a smaller id. The purpose of this is so threads or but welds are interchangeable.
This is one of the best informative videos I’ve seen on UA-cam! Awesome content, it is really helping for my bus build project!
Awesome, thank you! Glad it helped! I'm actually about to start my bus build as well. Raising the roof on a short bus :)
@@ArtfullyRogue Thats amazing! Have fun during the build! I started to put videos on the bus build if you're interested. Hopefully there is something for you as useful as your video was for me.
found your channel by chance. watched a couple of your videos, but this video made me subscribe. honest, clear, great better than hgtv quality.
Awesome, thank you!
Sometimes recycling scrap years may have what you need.
I am in the San Francisco Bay Area. If I need a bunch, I buy from a wholesaler in Fresno, a 180 miles away. It is delivered to my door the next morning for a twenty dollar delivery charge. Far cheaper than any local supplier.
My supplier has the warehouse open to public. Its nice when working on a project to put hands on the material. They charge by weight and material and extra to modify. The standard lengths.
Box store is well over 3x the cost. Though handy id you are already there and need just a 3' stick.
Great information. Thanks for the education.
You bet! Anytime, thanks for watching
Thank you
Thanks for the valuable information Doug. I'm an Old guy (67) about to start Hobby welding and was surprised when I got to the Big-Box Store and saw the costs of Angle and Square pieces... There is a Metal Scrap Yard less than 2 miles from me and I will be checking with them to see if they sell their scraps to Private buyers. I've also been buying small metal objects from thrift stores to cut up myself for some practice or Project pieces... Thanks again-- Jake
How did it go?
You produce an excellent video in all respects.
Very informative, thanks for the information.
Glad it was helpful!
Been years (30) just got a welder. Thanks for the update. Glad they are not calling it stock anymore.
It's been 30 years since you've welded? Welcome back to it :)
🙏🏻 Thank you, love you vids
Glad you like them! Thanks for watching
Great information! Thank you
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching Robert
I am fortunate to live near a major metal supplier has an "outlet" warehouse with a huge selection of alloys, shapes and sizes. Good info Doug.
Yeah having access to more options is great
Clark iron and metal, Murfreesboro TN. Scrap is $0.25 per pound and new steel is reasonable. I love them so much.
Thank you!
Hey, thanks! Very helpful.
I like the big zipper in the background 😅
Thanks for watching
Excellent information and great presentation.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks! Didn't know about the rusting difference with hot & cold rolled.
Glad to help
Cold rolled is formed cold, there as the hot rolled is shaped when hot nothing to do with annealing or heat treatment, heat treatment is post processing after forming process.
Thanks for this useful info.
Glad it was helpful!
Very helpful. 👍
Glad it was helpful
So helpful thank you!!! Subscribed.
Thanks for the sub!
Some recycling companies will keep remnants and sell to the public per pound. Most fab shops I know will always use drops down the road so they don't really discount prices.
Superior video: organized, concise, no dopey music, presented well.
The biggest obstacle for hobbyists, or just non commercial buyers, is the steel yard doesn't want to deal with you. Even if they sell to the public, you're considered a nuisance.
When I lived in Phoenix, I finally found a supplier that was always cool to me every time I walked in, whether I was buying $30 off the rem racks or needed $300 in material for a project.
Since I moved to the Denver area, I can't find a supplier. Even the LWS around here are manned by a-holes. I've been here going on 3 years and haven't welded a single project.
Can you share the name of the place you liked in Phoenix?
@@jamesthomas4080 Southwest Steel Sales.
Deer Valley Rd and I-17.
I end up buying a lot on eBay, because believe it or not it's cheaper than hardware stores and at least they aren't jerks like local suppliers.
never had an issue with my suppliers
Best intro steel summary ever
Thank you very much
Shout out to Rose Metal Products in Springfield MO keeping me stocked with steel for my projects at a reasonable price! They also brake/fab longer pieces of sheetmetal when I need it!
Industrial metal supply in SD and OC has a geed selection of cutoffs and scrap for DIY fabricators.
Thank you for your generosity to share your art techniques. It’s like attending a paid course in metal art. So it felt like decency to support your channel! I simply saw it as a course fee as it gave me so much useful knowledge. Thx again and have a peek in your patreon list and you’ll find my real name there.
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Thank you so much 😀 Anders
Thank you for the great video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
There's a great little steel supplier in my city that is also a salvage buyer/scrapyard. They sell new uncut pieces as well as random scrap.
Helpful!
Good info
Glad it was helpful!
I get my stuff at work, we build garbage containers of every shape and size. I can get a veriaty of cut offs of all kinds of different steel at a bit more than what they get for scrap
SWEET 😎