Talking Quadras with Michael Pierce
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- Michael Pierce and Jack have a wide-ranging discussion about the quadras, how to differentiate them and how they may appear as broader sociological trends.
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Jack, I cannot express how much I love what you are doing on here. You are not just going out badgering people with Socionics and telling them they are wrong and leaving it at that (also not saying anyone I am aware of is doing this, just speaking generally), but you are conversing with everyone to see where they are at in their thoughts and then helping to come to an understanding and clarifying. I really love this method of communicating and teaching/discussing. So thank you!
And Michael is right, your accent is very delightful haha.
I greatly appreciate that, Denzel. The more dialogue we foster between our various camps, the better for typology as a whole.
He's not doing that at all. He imposes the type he thinks people are, no matter what, and often against what people are actually saying.
My two favorite youtubers! You guys are great independently but you're even better together! Loved the bouncing of ideas and theories off of each other, incredibly interesting to watch and to learn from. ♡
I am a huge fan of Michael Pierce and now becoming a fan of yours Jack. I am happy to find all the discussions between you two.
Michael's explanation of his behavioral processes at 32 minutes with regards to challenges and training yourself to be fluid in the face of it is hugely relatable... like exactly what what I do/did. This is interesting bc if we're both typed right (I think we are) then we're duals and his inferior Se works essentially the same as my dominant Se, at least some if the time when this approach is applicable. I would guess that he finds it applicable more often in his life than I do in mine, and I'm more likely to respond to a challenge by going through or over it when possible, both out of a stronger preference for overpowering my opponent and an increased amount of winnable opportunities being available to me with Force in my dominant slot.
And Jacks comment immediately after is also spot on: I do look forward to people trying to rip apart my logic lol.
32:30 watch Jack's face. Its the moment he knew with total certainty that MP is EII. lol
His Fi PoLR going lol wtf is this
I think you are right, at least he saw his Fi totally exposed. The reason why many Fi valuers like the idea of Beta is exactly what he said: He is willing to sacrifice himself for "the right thing". Fe valuers are willing to sacrifice themselves for the idea, even if the idea is flawed. His blinking though, is similar to what Viktor Gulenko mentions about INTp, so maybe a harmonizing subtype... in that way his good understanding of Ni would fit in, and I get the vibe that he might know how he is able to get along with Se dominants.
Well, after all it takes a truly extraordinary sensibility to grasp that Andy Warhol, Marilyn Monroe, Barak Obama, Princess Diana, Melania Trump, Kate Bush, Rumi, Bob Dylan, Emmanuel Macron, Karl Marx and Gandhi are all IEI, "The Mystic"
At best, it is just Jack's opinion. I have watched Pierce's videos for years. He certainly is IEI with an unusually strong Ti
@@Hari-kx2er don’t worry about it Jack later changed his mind and typed MP IEI too. This vid like 3 years old haha
Very good explanation of Beta values around 24:30 imo. "I accept your ideology as something to be battled" is definitely a Beta view. Tbh it's kinda way to show respect to the other person, "you are a worthy enemy".
Strongly disagree with individualism being with the leader part tho. A Beta gravitates to Betas who think like them, and the strongest "warrior" is placed as a "king". Doesn't mean their followers are mindless drones, they *chose* to be there.
For whatever it's worth, it's a wonderful discussion.
So I was thinking of the Quadras while you guys were talking about them and I was wondering your thoughts on this. Each Quadra’s focus is what I’m seeing from what you were saying.
Alpha: People
Beta: Religion
Gamma: Business
Delta: Environment
Love both of your brains
I have no idea how this would relate to the other quadras, or even what it explicitly means by itself, but I think Socrates drinking the poison is peak Gamma.
well, I am sceptical of the idea of him being an ILE.
@@WorldSocionics Interesting. What would you seem to be more likely for him?
31:30 taking responsibility for things is empowering.
1:22:00 liking MP's Si and Ni concept
What does Jack smiling here mean? 1:17:51
What resource do you recommend people (who fall asleep reading this kinda stuff) check out in order to get a good basic grasp of Socionics?
Hi, please can you post a link to your blog post that Michael mentioned was helpful at the beginning of the interview. Thanks!
probably this: worldsocionics.blogspot.com/2014/07/an-introduction-to-socionics-part-2.html
Ti and te are flipped in mbti and socionics I thought
Empedocles is more renowned for his contribution to Socionics under Michael Pierce?
MP is an Irrational Integrator. IEI
I'd like to add this is one the best interviews on typology I've ever seen. Thank you, Jack.
Dude.
Where'd you go???
@@dolfdervish8495 What???
@Theo Sourvinos:
I remember you homey!
Thoroughly enjoyed your isfp vidz back in the day...
@Theo...
In fact...
My PT/MBTI (etc) journey began by binge watching your(s) & ejarendee's content...
Which, led me to Michael's material.
*Respect*
Michael Pierce has written a Socionics book?
He's in the process of writing a book on typology.
Interesting what’s his Focus?
If Jordan Peterson is the example of beta for him it’s easy to see why he is a beta himself
I think an INTP or an ENTP created quadras because they put themselves in the Alpha quadra when ENTJs and ESTPs belong in the Alpha quadra. ENTJs are at the top of their game do they are Alphas. ESTPs are jocks and badasses who prove how Alpha they are every day. Sorry but INTPs, ENTPs, ESFJs and ISFJs are far from Alpha material. To put ENTJS into any quadra other than Alpha is a joke. To put ESTPs in an quadra other than Alpha is a joke. You INTPs and ENTPs amuse me for creating this socionic bs because you are not Alpha material. You are Gamma material or Delta material. Putting ENTJs into Gamma not Alpha proves the ludicrousness of socionics.
What? There is no hierarchy of quadra's they are all as 'worthy'.
A quadra just means: "A group of types that all have the same four functions as preferred", with the difference inside of the group being, that they use the functions in another order.
is she trolling lmao