the fact that assassin emblem has adaptive pen and additional movement speed boost from the main attributes is so helpful even fighters can abuse that emblem when they jungle 💀
@dimplegargtgtsc.sambarocha344 adaptive pen is peneration depending on ur stats. If u have higher magic power, it will turn into a magic pen. If u have a higher physical pen, it will turn into a physical pen. Well, I think that is how it works. I'm not totally sure
@@dimplegargtgtsc.sambarocha344 Adaptive pen is penetration that's depend which is your physical power or magical power is higher. Hybrid pen is both of them, you get both physical pen and magical pen
I really like this emblem system, it really shows that even the worst ones can still do more for some heroes than the better ones do, and yeah, tho i think for MAJORITY of the mages atleast for those that has poor scaling is better of with assassin emblem as the only real way to massively increase dmg is by increasing pen. While those that do like true dmg like karina & gord can only increase their true dmg by having more mgc pwr or niche ones like harith who needs more magic power to increase his shield. In the end its all up to preference whether it be you want more dmg or utility. I’m having a blast with the new emblem system and I’m almost about done setting every hero with an emblem set that fits their playstyles xD
True this emblem is pretty cool in some way. Me as mage and support user I can mix and match my emblem base on my mage and support hero that I've been use. Because this emblem system already put a Magic Pen, Magic Power and CD, so I can pick movement speed, Tenacity and Lethal Ignition or Impure. 1st Talent :Because some mage posses slow movement speed thats why I choose this talent. 2nd Talent :Some mage also are very squishy instend of using Mystery Shop where I can purchase 5% less the Item, I prepared Tenacity for defense. 3rd Talent :Lethal Ignition and Impure R. I used one of them base on my hero that I pick.
I've only been using mage emblem situationaly for 2 reasons 1: because mage emblem offers 5% cooldown it makes it less awkward in building full 45%cdr without having to be forced on building either necklace or feather and waste 5%cooldown had choose another CD item. 2: it's good for heroes that scales from magic power for dmg, defense, and heal all at once. Someone like joy who get more shield and defense with it. And those whose magic power scaling heavily outweighs base dmg (tho they are rare still, joy is I think one of them)
Joy will still benefit more from Assassin Emblem, as she builds Arcane Boots + Genius Wand which increases her dmg in early game as a substitute for her low magic power scaling. Joy's shield is barely noticeable now and it has a relatively low magic scaling. Her heal comes mostly from Concentrated Energy and her high dmg. So increasing her dmg potential benefits her a lot more. For high magic scaling heroes, Assassin Emblem still wins against Mage Emblem. As pen increase your overall dmg while magic power only increases your scaling dmg. High magic scaling heroes also tend to build Holy Crystal, which increases their magic power by a large margin. If your hero relies more on CDR, it's better to go for Support Emblem as it provides 10% CDR and the most amount of movement speed out of all the emblems (which helps a lot for macros). And if you choose the extra 5% CDR the new talents give you, you get a total of 15% CDR right of the bat as supposed to 10% CDR if you choose Mage Emblem with the extra 5% CDR. TL;DR Mage Emblem is completely outshined by both Assassin Emblem and Support Emblem when it comes to stats and usefulness. Definitely needs a buff.
@@aiaugustine6548 that's only because it synergizes with her innate pen. and her scaling is not ideal either. look at pharsa and aurora as high scalinh mages.
They should buff the 5% CDR or the magic penetration in magic emblem because for me, the movevment speed given in assassin emblem weighs more than any of these two.
True, I've noticed that mages now move slower making them more at risk and eventually being food to the enemy. Low damage early and snail pace walking. What a bad time to be a mage user. 😢
Although it is true that mage emblem has its great uses, but remember, early game is a must for mages and mid laners as they deal most damage in the early game. As such, that early penetration is really needed which have the most in assassin emblem.
The difference would be a lot higher if you werent showcasing this with Eudoras second skill that reduces magis res. The assassin emblem would be doing far more damage, especially with an enemy building tough boots. Currently Ive noticed, even with Assassin Emblem, mages are doing next to no damage in early game. I havent even been building clock lately and just opt to go for Genius Wand as my second item. Sure Clock can be good for HP/Sustain from Elegant Gem, and can work well if you snowball early. But Genius is just safer for me and provides my team with the damage output it needs to survive the early game.
@@hesoyam3433 In comparison to the old emblem system, you had magic power/pen/ magic power %, movementspeed and mana regen. Currently youre either opting for Penetration on the assassin emblem (which is the same pen as previously on mage emblem) or the new mage emblem, which basiclaly only provides static magic power. It’s just leagues worse than the old emblem systems stats. As Ive said, I noticed the Assassin Emblem does less damage than the previous emblem, and the Mage emblem is doing a ton less. When enemy builds 1 magic res item early on, you tickle the enemies. Currently on every mage Im just running Arcane Boots and Genius as my first two items. There are a couple heroes I build Glowing Wand on first though. I’ve just stopped clock altogether personally. You can still buy Elegant Gem for anti heal though.
I have idea for the new emblem it is called "Turret Emblem" and it benefits: +20% Resilience +24% Hybrid Damage Reduction +10% Tower Damage 1st tier - +10% Energy Regen 2nd tier ( Active Again ) - Every 1 assist or kill will reduce your next respawn cooldown - 1second per kill (stack up to 15 seconds) 3rd tier (Tower Bless) - When you are in allied turret you will benefit extra shield and movement speed inside the turret and if you are outside of the turret it will disappear in 4seconds unless you comeback to tower again. CD:15seconds
Even if some heroes have more scaling from magic power on their skills, you can get a lot of magic power just from item because all of magic items have magic power stats in it. meanwhile for penetration, you can only get it from a few items
I mostly use mage emblem for cyclops. Especially for this patch so I can turn him into a 2nd skill machine gun with all the CD reduction I get from the emblem, talent and items. plus CD reduction on his ulti is just a bonus for those heroes trying to run away
For cyclops I use support emblem. It gives you literally 15% cd reduction alone from emblem. U just need cd shoe and book you reach 45% cdr already. It will give more item slot
True tho to make it even mage emblem NEEDS a buff and also the marksman emblem needs a buff it's stats is ok but the physical atk bonus is low honestly i would even use assassin emblem for mm nowadays after the emblem revamp
I couldnt agree more. I’ve been using assassin emblem on a lot of heroes like nova, julian, and other mages. The movement speed really is a game changer. Nova can obliterate mid game mms. Hard to catch cus of higher MS than most emblems. Mages need the MS more than cdr
@@delaw3656 some need CDR over Mov speed btw all heros will enjoy mov speed. There are some mages like Luo Yi, Lylia they have opportunities to increase Mov Speed with their skills and they need CDR over Mov Speed
@@delaw3656Aurora, Pharsa, Kadita, Eudora, Gord, Harith, NaNa and Odette. They wouldn't enjoy having extra movement speed. CD & high dmg is what they prefer
@@makarandhan3905 I'm a bit sceptical about CDR over movement speed. While having CDR is nice it doesn't matter if you can't rotate or reposition fast enough and either you or your teammate dies because of it.
I've been experimenting with the new emblems recently. Yesterday, I decided to troll my team using Floryn w assassin emblem. Long story short I managed to slain the lord and got MVP.
Why would you want that raw magic power if you will be building magic power items, magic power is very easy to get compared to penetration where you only have a select few items with pen and we haven't even included the movement speed from assassin emblem which most mages need. 5% cdr from mage emblem isn't really game changing its just better to use assassin emblem on all mages
Plus the comparisons you've shown isn't really realistic so in reality assassin emblem is leagues better than mage emblem that 16 adaptive pen alone already defeats the existence of mage emblem
i think they say it su*k to use mage emblem on most mage but agree there some exceptions like karina and gord that need more magic attack than pen because how they passive is scaling it just mage emblem is like jungle emblem in it early day not many want to use it and not many like it because it not raw damage and utility ... but yeah maybe increase CDR build in on it will be more useful than put 10% CDR on support emblem that it only max out for utility rather than damage... i mean i be use mage emblem for bane it pretty much more heal and damage at the same time rather than support emblem....
There is something you should know ! The adaptive pen on Mages only take place when they buy magic items so their magic power exceeds their physical power. Otherwise the adaptive pen is physical without items.
I'm using assassin emblem for non burst hero like yve, chang'e + movespeed talent. Maage for burst like Eudora and Basic emblem +life drain + impure rage for cecilion and ez mana dont need to recall just to regen mana. Movespeed is so important for mage to be able to rotate and respond to fights quickly.
Did poke/continous dmg mage like them benefit more from assassins than mage emblem? It has became really confusing how many trial and error needed to get the best dmg output and stats for some heroes. Like u mentioned above i also think mov. Speed was great, but w/ ass already had it. Pro players even use mage emblem on those continous/poke hero, w/o equipping the mov speed talent. Cos of skill mov speed buff.
Not to be nitpicky but you are cherrypicking stats here. Gord also does Magic DMG, and so does Karina. If we ignore everything else, and focus purely on their passive's True DMG, then yes, more Magic Power is better. But it doesn't change the fact the can still benefit from Magic PEN. How can we say Mage emblem is better on Gord/Karina without testing all therir abilities??
My usual build with gord is Ice queen wand Enchanted talisman for skill spam Glowing wand Genius wand and winter truncheon Is that enough to deal high dmg for him
Remember don't using Assassin Emblem on Kimmy with Critical Build (BoD, Berserker Fury and Scarlet Phantom). Adaptive Pen will turn into physical Pen that useless on Kimmy because Kimmy didn't convert Physical Pen into Magic Pen like Natan I'm still a little confused about this adaptive Pen but I think it based on how many physical and magic item you have
It always depend on the hero. Me as mage user I always used hero like Vale, Valir, Yve, Nana, Pharsa, Eudora, Aurora, Gord, Lunox Kadita, Cecillion.... I played after they released the new emblem system, I still prepared to use mage emblem. Before the old emblem, I use movement speed, pen and magic worship or mystery shop. Because the new emblem already have Magic Power 30%, 5% CDR and 8% Magic Pen, I choose Movement speed, Tenacity for defense and Lethal Ignition or Impure R. Then I stick to my Build depends on the hero. I always used my mage hero as utility not easy to kill so I can help my team much longer. My mind set while playing is not become MVP or have high KDA instead how can I contribute to win the fight. I'm not playing hard but I playing smart.
I would say there are many mage that really benefit for the CDR, and only mage and support emblem has additional CDR, If asasin got that too, it would be very op. For example im using cyclops with mage emblem and focusing spell vamp, build concentrated energy and ice queen, he is like yve or gord, but asasin could not kill him. Imagine if asasin emblem got CDR stat, he would be very hard to deal with
If you choose Pen first talent with magic emblem, you get 13 Pen and 5% CDR and 30 magic power If you CDR talent with assassin emblem, you get 16 Pen, 5% CDR, and mov speed However, most people will go for 16+5 Pen in assassin emblem for maximum dmg
nah, some heroes with 45% cdr build still need cdr from mage emblem so they can buy other useful items instead of taking two slots for enchanted talisman and fleeting time. for example novaria and vexana.
Its worth also taking in consideration that some equipment also benefit from magic damage, like starlium scythe, blood wings, holy crystal and maybe more that i am forgetting of, if just those 3, it can still be pretty good. Id honestly like to see in comparison mage and assasin emblem damage with items like starlium especially, or the other ones that benefit from magic damage
What about Silvanna? She get more confuse tham before. Now I'm building 3 physical item for have some sustaint. And I don't feel any difference between assassin, mage, marksman or tank.... Using the same build on them all.
You forgot about additional damage from skin? +8 if not mistaken. maybe that can be one of the factor your damage is lower than zkael. Just my thought and opinion ya. Sorry if it is a mistake.
No wonder even after cod and arcane boots i still cant one shot squishies. But being a good eudora user, still no problem. I have speed and item 95% cheap so getting bloodwings is kinda fast
@@jigeah try hororos build on eudora, you kill on first item after boots. instead of loli+ truncheon just build triple pen items at early. then holy crystal and blood wings then sth like immo. assassin emble with PEN talent also recommended
fyi in the last tournament all pro players use assassin emblem for their mages, lunox also benefits more from magic power so she can use magic emblem but i think the majority of mages assassin emblem is just better especially the movement speed since mage emblem lacks that one
No penetration is only good for high defense heroes, if ur damage be 1000 and u hit a hero with 50 defense, u only hit 800 damage, bad eng sorry, but mage emblem is so good in early game for it's high raw magic power
FOR ME AS A PLAYER OF ML IT IS DEPEND TO THE USERS OF EMBLEM HOW THEY SAW AND APPLY IT. THEIR IS NO SUCKS TO THE EMBLEMS BECAUSE OUR MIND ONLY TELLS US IF ITS SUCKS OR NOT IT IS DEPEND TO THE PLAYERS ONLY.
Remember folks the higher your magic damage The bigger the difference in the gap between less PEN and higher PEN even if they only have 5-7 difference on penetration Especially novaria
assasin emblem is good for mages that are low on magic percentage while the mage one is good for mages that have high magic percentage. also assasin emblem is stronger in early than mage emblem but it still really depends
So meaning, Assassin Emblem is even better for Guinevere, Kagura, Eudora and etc compared to the Mage emblem? And who are the heroes specfically Mages that will still benefit a lot from Mage emblem? Cyclops for Fighter emblem or Mage?
The mage emblem obly benefits only mage or magic dmg dealer which is kinda meh they shpuld prob reconsider the stats rather than magic power we scale mana bcs mostly mage need mana and prob go for cooldown reduction
Yes. It's removed on the mage emblem so you need to select either support emblem or assassin emblem. But if you use support, you won't have any starter atk power in exchange for the faster skill recharge and more recovery.
@00:07 , *_Yeah, the Mage Emblem sücks now! The additional MOVSPD(6%) is removed, & i need to add now the Agility 1st tier Talent to compensate on slow MOVSPD. Just because most of the new emblems have no additional MOVSPD bonuses, i setup most of my Battle Emblems for each hero on Battle Setup tab, to be either Support Emblem or Assassin Emblem. So, mostly, i use Support Emblem on all Tanks & Support heroes while Assassin Emblem to all other damage dealers, since having more MOVSPD means you can move around the map much faster & going to other lanes will be much easier. And it's hard to aim & catch the enemies or escape easily from them when you have extremely slow MOVSPD, you know!, Moonton! Hahaha!🤣😆😂✌️👍 But i'm actually serious about it_* !😤👎
I use assassin emblem for Eudora 😁 and makes it pure hell for enemy since I have around 41 magic pen at early game since I build pen boots and genius Wand 😁😁😁
lol hororo idk if u noticed or not but the first test wasn't accurate cause zikeal actually basic attacked you in the end that did 100+ damage. soo mage emblem actually won in the first test
its just the fact ass have mov speed made mage emblem kinda irrelevant for me, only usefull emblem for me is only 4 ass,common,mm,tank the rest kinda meh
Mage emblem still sucks, you can just build items with magical power, and since most damage dealt were from magical damage then having high penetration would be easy to kill any enemy with magical defences.
we know Moonton always nerfs any player's favourite things like heroes, and items so, since the PEN system is become favourite thing rn. I think moonton need to nerf it well, i've seen announcement that Malefic roar and divine will be nerfed, but i think it's not enough
the fact that assassin emblem has adaptive pen and additional movement speed boost from the main attributes is so helpful even fighters can abuse that emblem when they jungle 💀
What exactly is adaptive pen can you explain pls? Is it same as hybrid pen that we had on support emblem?
@dimplegargtgtsc.sambarocha344 adaptive pen is peneration depending on ur stats. If u have higher magic power, it will turn into a magic pen. If u have a higher physical pen, it will turn into a physical pen. Well, I think that is how it works. I'm not totally sure
@@dimplegargtgtsc.sambarocha344 Adaptive pen is penetration that's depend which is your physical power or magical power is higher.
Hybrid pen is both of them, you get both physical pen and magical pen
@@qaissyahiranosman7168 Oky thanks a lot😁
@@daffaihsan893 Oky thanks a lot for explaining😁
I really like this emblem system, it really shows that even the worst ones can still do more for some heroes than the better ones do, and yeah, tho i think for MAJORITY of the mages atleast for those that has poor scaling is better of with assassin emblem as the only real way to massively increase dmg is by increasing pen. While those that do like true dmg like karina & gord can only increase their true dmg by having more mgc pwr or niche ones like harith who needs more magic power to increase his shield. In the end its all up to preference whether it be you want more dmg or utility. I’m having a blast with the new emblem system and I’m almost about done setting every hero with an emblem set that fits their playstyles xD
So, lou yi, yve, xavier can benefit from it.
we need emblem reveal @0@
They nerfing harith skill 2lifesteal
Not xavier, and luo yi shield is not a critical part of her kit unlike Harith, she should be able to burst down enemies quickly
As for yve, probably
True this emblem is pretty cool in some way. Me as mage and support user I can mix and match my emblem base on my mage and support hero that I've been use. Because this emblem system already put a Magic Pen, Magic Power and CD, so I can pick movement speed, Tenacity and Lethal Ignition or Impure.
1st Talent :Because some mage posses slow movement speed thats why I choose this talent.
2nd Talent :Some mage also are very squishy instend of using Mystery Shop where I can purchase 5% less the Item, I prepared Tenacity for defense.
3rd Talent :Lethal Ignition and Impure R. I used one of them base on my hero that I pick.
I've only been using mage emblem situationaly for 2 reasons
1: because mage emblem offers 5% cooldown it makes it less awkward in building full 45%cdr without having to be forced on building either necklace or feather and waste 5%cooldown had choose another CD item.
2: it's good for heroes that scales from magic power for dmg, defense, and heal all at once. Someone like joy who get more shield and defense with it. And those whose magic power scaling heavily outweighs base dmg (tho they are rare still, joy is I think one of them)
Joy will still benefit more from Assassin Emblem, as she builds Arcane Boots + Genius Wand which increases her dmg in early game as a substitute for her low magic power scaling. Joy's shield is barely noticeable now and it has a relatively low magic scaling. Her heal comes mostly from Concentrated Energy and her high dmg. So increasing her dmg potential benefits her a lot more.
For high magic scaling heroes, Assassin Emblem still wins against Mage Emblem. As pen increase your overall dmg while magic power only increases your scaling dmg. High magic scaling heroes also tend to build Holy Crystal, which increases their magic power by a large margin.
If your hero relies more on CDR, it's better to go for Support Emblem as it provides 10% CDR and the most amount of movement speed out of all the emblems (which helps a lot for macros). And if you choose the extra 5% CDR the new talents give you, you get a total of 15% CDR right of the bat as supposed to 10% CDR if you choose Mage Emblem with the extra 5% CDR.
TL;DR Mage Emblem is completely outshined by both Assassin Emblem and Support Emblem when it comes to stats and usefulness. Definitely needs a buff.
Out of all high scaling mages out there you picked Joy, with god awful low scaling?
CD boots + talisman + lightning truncheon already provides 40%, the last 5% is from the magic potion
Bruh, magic pen is still better even if the hero has high magic scaling. Look at Eudora for example
@@aiaugustine6548 that's only because it synergizes with her innate pen. and her scaling is not ideal either. look at pharsa and aurora as high scalinh mages.
They should buff the 5% CDR or the magic penetration in magic emblem because for me, the movevment speed given in assassin emblem weighs more than any of these two.
True, I've noticed that mages now move slower making them more at risk and eventually being food to the enemy. Low damage early and snail pace walking. What a bad time to be a mage user. 😢
yes
mobility is a thing in the Meta for now
Although it is true that mage emblem has its great uses, but remember, early game is a must for mages and mid laners as they deal most damage in the early game. As such, that early penetration is really needed which have the most in assassin emblem.
Bro,Why penetration in early .... Enemies don't have defence in early game....Also can u help me is attack speed best on mm or Assasian emblem.
@@Jonathan-be7gjpenetration leads to negative defence, it's just as if not more important in early than late
@@frozenlettuce293 ok
@@Jonathan-be7gjmm
@@frozenlettuce293negative defense = More damage. Is what you should added
The difference would be a lot higher if you werent showcasing this with Eudoras second skill that reduces magis res. The assassin emblem would be doing far more damage, especially with an enemy building tough boots.
Currently Ive noticed, even with Assassin Emblem, mages are doing next to no damage in early game. I havent even been building clock lately and just opt to go for Genius Wand as my second item. Sure Clock can be good for HP/Sustain from Elegant Gem, and can work well if you snowball early. But Genius is just safer for me and provides my team with the damage output it needs to survive the early game.
what u using? with a single arcane boots my mages one como kill on lvl4, 31 pen is not a joke at early
@@hesoyam3433 In comparison to the old emblem system, you had magic power/pen/ magic power %, movementspeed and mana regen. Currently youre either opting for Penetration on the assassin emblem (which is the same pen as previously on mage emblem) or the new mage emblem, which basiclaly only provides static magic power. It’s just leagues worse than the old emblem systems stats.
As Ive said, I noticed the Assassin Emblem does less damage than the previous emblem, and the Mage emblem is doing a ton less. When enemy builds 1 magic res item early on, you tickle the enemies.
Currently on every mage Im just running Arcane Boots and Genius as my first two items. There are a couple heroes I build Glowing Wand on first though. I’ve just stopped clock altogether personally. You can still buy Elegant Gem for anti heal though.
Big problem after the emblem update, your probably notice the low hp, and slow movement speed.
I have idea for the new emblem it is called "Turret Emblem" and it benefits:
+20% Resilience
+24% Hybrid Damage Reduction
+10% Tower Damage
1st tier - +10% Energy Regen
2nd tier ( Active Again )
- Every 1 assist or kill will reduce your next respawn cooldown - 1second per kill (stack up to 15 seconds)
3rd tier (Tower Bless)
- When you are in allied turret you will benefit extra shield and movement speed inside the turret and if you are outside of the turret it will disappear in 4seconds unless you comeback to tower again.
CD:15seconds
I dont think you realize how op 24% damage reduction actually is
Overkill please no.
Even if some heroes have more scaling from magic power on their skills, you can get a lot of magic power just from item because all of magic items have magic power stats in it. meanwhile for penetration, you can only get it from a few items
I mostly use mage emblem for cyclops. Especially for this patch so I can turn him into a 2nd skill machine gun with all the CD reduction I get from the emblem, talent and items. plus CD reduction on his ulti is just a bonus for those heroes trying to run away
For cyclops I use support emblem. It gives you literally 15% cd reduction alone from emblem. U just need cd shoe and book you reach 45% cdr already. It will give more item slot
@@salmoners ooh thanks for the tip. gotta try that some time. cyclops is always my pocket pick if ever we don't have a mage during picking
@@salmonersgreat idea, although minimal damage and penetration at the start
Not Hororo testing hero with and without skin. that 8 magic power can effect dmg on the large scale
Doesn't the extra magic power apply even on base skin once you have even 1 other skin available?
and the fact that sometimes he will do that with trinity build and crit build test 🥲
@@sanstheskeleton679 does it?
@@Beebaboobee
I still see it on the bottom right even on the base skin, so it should still apply
@@sanstheskeleton679 so, it’s changed
Oh my gosh Now i know what yo build Thanks for the info Hororo!
True tho to make it even mage emblem NEEDS a buff and also the marksman emblem needs a buff it's stats is ok but the physical atk bonus is low honestly i would even use assassin emblem for mm nowadays after the emblem revamp
Well the mm emblem isnt used primarily bcs of the adaptive atk but mainly its high atk spd stat
Physical atk bonus is scaled percentage wise.
I couldnt agree more. I’ve been using assassin emblem on a lot of heroes like nova, julian, and other mages. The movement speed really is a game changer. Nova can obliterate mid game mms. Hard to catch cus of higher MS than most emblems. Mages need the MS more than cdr
Depends on the mage you use.
@@makarandhan3905what mage wouldn't enjoy having more movement speed?
@@delaw3656 some need CDR over Mov speed btw all heros will enjoy mov speed. There are some mages like Luo Yi, Lylia they have opportunities to increase Mov Speed with their skills and they need CDR over Mov Speed
@@delaw3656Aurora, Pharsa, Kadita, Eudora, Gord, Harith, NaNa and Odette. They wouldn't enjoy having extra movement speed. CD & high dmg is what they prefer
@@makarandhan3905 I'm a bit sceptical about CDR over movement speed. While having CDR is nice it doesn't matter if you can't rotate or reposition fast enough and either you or your teammate dies because of it.
I just think that they need to increase the cd attribute on mage emblem since most of the mage that can utilize this were the poke type mages.
I've been experimenting with the new emblems recently. Yesterday, I decided to troll my team using Floryn w assassin emblem. Long story short I managed to slain the lord and got MVP.
Why would you want that raw magic power if you will be building magic power items, magic power is very easy to get compared to penetration where you only have a select few items with pen and we haven't even included the movement speed from assassin emblem which most mages need. 5% cdr from mage emblem isn't really game changing its just better to use assassin emblem on all mages
Plus the comparisons you've shown isn't really realistic so in reality assassin emblem is leagues better than mage emblem that 16 adaptive pen alone already defeats the existence of mage emblem
it's not always about pen or power
it's about mobility if you're a solo ranker
i think they say it su*k to use mage emblem on most mage but agree there some exceptions like karina and gord that need more magic attack than pen because how they passive is scaling it just mage emblem is like jungle emblem in it early day not many want to use it and not many like it because it not raw damage and utility ... but yeah maybe increase CDR build in on it will be more useful than put 10% CDR on support emblem that it only max out for utility rather than damage... i mean i be use mage emblem for bane it pretty much more heal and damage at the same time rather than support emblem....
There is something you should know ! The adaptive pen on Mages only take place when they buy magic items so their magic power exceeds their physical power. Otherwise the adaptive pen is physical without items.
I think is not how adaptive systemwork, is alreaddy changes following what the hero scaling dmg is, sorry for my bad english
the fact they remove the Movspeed Bonus that really....REALLY helpful for Slowpoke midlaners to rotate is not even funny from begin with :"
I'm using assassin emblem for non burst hero like yve, chang'e + movespeed talent. Maage for burst like Eudora and Basic emblem +life drain + impure rage for cecilion and ez mana dont need to recall just to regen mana.
Movespeed is so important for mage to be able to rotate and respond to fights quickly.
Did poke/continous dmg mage like them benefit more from assassins than mage emblem?
It has became really confusing how many trial and error needed to get the best dmg output and stats for some heroes. Like u mentioned above i also think mov. Speed was great, but w/ ass already had it. Pro players even use mage emblem on those continous/poke hero, w/o equipping the mov speed talent. Cos of skill mov speed buff.
@@danangraph1910 yeah. im using assassij emblem for them as stated.
The thing is that because of how damage is calculated, penetration increases your damage the more you have it.
Not to be nitpicky but you are cherrypicking stats here. Gord also does Magic DMG, and so does Karina. If we ignore everything else, and focus purely on their passive's True DMG, then yes, more Magic Power is better. But it doesn't change the fact the can still benefit from Magic PEN. How can we say Mage emblem is better on Gord/Karina without testing all therir abilities??
My usual build with gord is
Ice queen wand
Enchanted talisman for skill spam
Glowing wand
Genius wand and winter truncheon
Is that enough to deal high dmg for him
Hororo we all saw that Zkeal did make an additional basic attack 😂
Remember don't using Assassin Emblem on Kimmy with Critical Build (BoD, Berserker Fury and Scarlet Phantom). Adaptive Pen will turn into physical Pen that useless on Kimmy because Kimmy didn't convert Physical Pen into Magic Pen like Natan
I'm still a little confused about this adaptive Pen but I think it based on how many physical and magic item you have
How to make One shot mage your Nightmare:
Agility/Thrill weapon,master+Lethal ignition
It always depend on the hero. Me as mage user I always used hero like Vale, Valir, Yve, Nana, Pharsa, Eudora, Aurora, Gord, Lunox Kadita, Cecillion.... I played after they released the new emblem system, I still prepared to use mage emblem.
Before the old emblem, I use movement speed, pen and magic worship or mystery shop. Because the new emblem already have Magic Power 30%, 5% CDR and 8% Magic Pen, I choose Movement speed, Tenacity for defense and Lethal Ignition or Impure R. Then I stick to my Build depends on the hero.
I always used my mage hero as utility not easy to kill so I can help my team much longer. My mind set while playing is not become MVP or have high KDA instead how can I contribute to win the fight. I'm not playing hard but I playing smart.
Yeah mage emblem kinda suck, i hope they buff it... Ohh and Marksman emblem too but i do agree some hero does need to use mage emblem
it depends on which mage is using the emblem as they all have different passive and magic scaling percentile
I would say there are many mage that really benefit for the CDR, and only mage and support emblem has additional CDR, If asasin got that too, it would be very op.
For example im using cyclops with mage emblem and focusing spell vamp, build concentrated energy and ice queen, he is like yve or gord, but asasin could not kill him. Imagine if asasin emblem got CDR stat, he would be very hard to deal with
If you choose Pen first talent with magic emblem, you get 13 Pen and 5% CDR and 30 magic power
If you CDR talent with assassin emblem, you get 16 Pen, 5% CDR, and mov speed
However, most people will go for 16+5 Pen in assassin emblem for maximum dmg
nah, some heroes with 45% cdr build still need cdr from mage emblem so they can buy other useful items instead of taking two slots for enchanted talisman and fleeting time. for example novaria and vexana.
Next patch : none assassin hero now will receive 70% of the assassin emblem
it will happen soon IMO
Its worth also taking in consideration that some equipment also benefit from magic damage, like starlium scythe, blood wings, holy crystal and maybe more that i am forgetting of, if just those 3, it can still be pretty good. Id honestly like to see in comparison mage and assasin emblem damage with items like starlium especially, or the other ones that benefit from magic damage
What about Silvanna? She get more confuse tham before. Now I'm building 3 physical item for have some sustaint. And I don't feel any difference between assassin, mage, marksman or tank.... Using the same build on them all.
Dont forget skin + magic damage
somehow u need to know, which Hero had good Avantage to use specific Emblems!.
You forgot about additional damage from skin? +8 if not mistaken. maybe that can be one of the factor your damage is lower than zkael. Just my thought and opinion ya. Sorry if it is a mistake.
I don’t use Mage Emblem for mages with low magic scaling since the additional magic power will be useless.
I thought im the only one using assasin emblem on eudora😅it helps a lot in the early game especially if you pair it with magic pen items
Eudora by nature is really an assassin mage. She loves to wait in the grass.
No wonder even after cod and arcane boots i still cant one shot squishies. But being a good eudora user, still no problem. I have speed and item 95% cheap so getting bloodwings is kinda fast
@@jigeah try hororos build on eudora, you kill on first item after boots.
instead of loli+ truncheon just build triple pen items at early. then holy crystal and blood wings then sth like immo.
assassin emble with PEN talent also recommended
you forgot bonus magic atk from skins so this dmg comparison is not that accurate
Magic power scaling heroes will benefit from magic emblem and continous magic damage dealer will have less benefit ?
Hey horroro can you plz make a zhask guild with build and new emblem plz
Also does new weakness finder works with zhask ?
Help i spend all my dust upgraded mage emblem instead of assassin i thought they were on par with each other now kinda want my magic dust back 😭😭
The fact the ML community doesn't know the concept of a "scaling" hero is, is quite bizzare
What Emblem do you think should Lylia be using?
Can you do hororo chan what hero can really use assassin's emblem and mage emblem? Thankyou
Yes mage emb is good for gorb, that I'm sure of, but for Karina I'd love that extra movement speed please
fyi in the last tournament all pro players use assassin emblem for their mages, lunox also benefits more from magic power so she can use magic emblem but i think the majority of mages assassin emblem is just better especially the movement speed since mage emblem lacks that one
"It's not always about the PEN Spider-Man"
Nice this is what i waiting for, more detail:D
+8 magic power from skins?
Another reason the dmg is higher is because hororo did not use skin only zkael
regular minions arent affected by penetration, so mage emblem with its higher base power and built in cd has faster waveclear than assassin emblem
what is the best emblem for vexana or what is better for vexana mage emblem or assassin emblem?
Bro I want ask something ...
1 physical penetration equals ? For physical attack
No penetration is only good for high defense heroes, if ur damage be 1000 and u hit a hero with 50 defense, u only hit 800 damage, bad eng sorry, but mage emblem is so good in early game for it's high raw magic power
due to the math and the way penetration works, yes ass emblem is the go to emblem for most ass/mage and some mms
FOR ME AS A PLAYER OF ML IT IS DEPEND TO THE USERS OF EMBLEM HOW THEY SAW AND APPLY IT. THEIR IS NO SUCKS TO THE EMBLEMS BECAUSE OUR MIND ONLY TELLS US IF ITS SUCKS OR NOT IT IS DEPEND TO THE PLAYERS ONLY.
Remember folks the higher your magic damage
The bigger the difference in the gap between less PEN and higher PEN even if they only have 5-7 difference on penetration
Especially novaria
yeah her 250% range based multiplier pairs really well with PEN items
now i know why assasin harley deals more dmg, they need to buff magic emblem
assasin emblem is good for mages that are low on magic percentage while the mage one is good for mages that have high magic percentage. also assasin emblem is stronger in early than mage emblem but it still really depends
So meaning,
Assassin Emblem is even better for Guinevere, Kagura, Eudora and etc compared to the Mage emblem?
And who are the heroes specfically Mages that will still benefit a lot from Mage emblem? Cyclops for Fighter emblem or Mage?
I can confirm for guin . She needs that pen. So bad
My issue with mage emblem is the movement speed. It's like walking on Yve's ult.
Why the new BGM is not on original server huhu :(
Yeah especially the sound that plays when u defeat an enemy hero, sounds so good.
@@whitehavencpu6813 That one too 😔
The mage emblem obly benefits only mage or magic dmg dealer which is kinda meh they shpuld prob reconsider the stats rather than magic power we scale mana bcs mostly mage need mana and prob go for cooldown reduction
But wont it lack base dmg? Maybe swap the magic penetration
Its because of the movement speed. Mage without additional movespeed have harder time to position itself
Yes. It's removed on the mage emblem so you need to select either support emblem or assassin emblem. But if you use support, you won't have any starter atk power in exchange for the faster skill recharge and more recovery.
@00:07 , *_Yeah, the Mage Emblem sücks now! The additional MOVSPD(6%) is removed, & i need to add now the Agility 1st tier Talent to compensate on slow MOVSPD. Just because most of the new emblems have no additional MOVSPD bonuses, i setup most of my Battle Emblems for each hero on Battle Setup tab, to be either Support Emblem or Assassin Emblem. So, mostly, i use Support Emblem on all Tanks & Support heroes while Assassin Emblem to all other damage dealers, since having more MOVSPD means you can move around the map much faster & going to other lanes will be much easier. And it's hard to aim & catch the enemies or escape easily from them when you have extremely slow MOVSPD, you know!, Moonton! Hahaha!🤣😆😂✌️👍 But i'm actually serious about it_* !😤👎
Am i the only who saw that assassin Eudora deal one more basic attack
They could have added more attributes or buff them i dont even use mage emblem now on mathilda cause it doesnt have any movement boost
Just so y’all know the assassin damage is high just bc of the 1v1 but it’s like 1v2 the damage gets lower bc of the passive
And with the new emblem system, i have seen alot more of esmeralda in the battlefield.
Mage emblem does not compliment burst mages at all. That’s a simple fact. The stats of the emblems speak to that
I use assassin emblem for Eudora 😁 and makes it pure hell for enemy since I have around 41 magic pen at early game since I build pen boots and genius Wand 😁😁😁
so should i use assasin/mage emblem for novaria?
Bruh common emblem is so good for Alice, Ceci and Claude....no mana problem at all
zkael’s eudora had a skin on so the difference should be even smaller no?
The Devs must be Crazy!
but, enemy eudora use vivo skin , i think it's give some stat
lol hororo idk if u noticed or not but the first test wasn't accurate cause zikeal actually basic attacked you in the end that did 100+ damage. soo mage emblem actually won in the first test
its just the fact ass have mov speed made mage emblem kinda irrelevant for me, only usefull emblem for me is only 4
ass,common,mm,tank the rest kinda meh
I only use mage emblem if the hero need cd reduction like harith or cyc, else i use assasin.
Assassin emblem was already OP before, but it's too OP after this update.
don't forget Eudora's skin gives magic bonus damage
It's only good for a certain hero and it's no longer for all mages...
Having the 5% CDR makes me more comfortable tho lol
Mage emblem still sucks, you can just build items with magical power, and since most damage dealt were from magical damage then having high penetration would be easy to kill any enemy with magical defences.
I feel that magic lifesteal heros got the short end of the stick . Only Marksman emblem has 5%
Not about the damage but about the movement speed.
Hororo chan why you not play Wild Rift Anymore ? 😢
Is the Assassin Emblem viable on Lunox? Since she doesn't really need the Cooldown Redcution from the Mage Emblem.
Assassin emblem for attribute bonus, movement spd + mm talent + axe talent/killing spree
Yes it viable work great,
we know Moonton always nerfs any player's favourite things like heroes, and items
so, since the PEN system is become favourite thing rn. I think moonton need to nerf it
well, i've seen announcement that Malefic roar and divine will be nerfed, but i think it's not enough
I don't think they need to nerf PEN, i think they just need to buff the cdr on mage emblem so poke mages could utilize it better.
Me being a CDR builder, mage is still superior in my opinion
Can I use assassin emblem for gord?
i think mage emblem need at least 2% bonus movement speed
I only have one reason to use mage emblem. For harith and that's it🤦
zkael with that one extra basic attack tho 😭
The emblem depends on the type of mage hero..
they should have added 3% mov speed on mage emblem
Which is best for kagura?
Assassin