Western Learning and Latin Influence on the Church

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  • Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
  • How is Western schoolbook learning different from divine knowledge? Fr. Seraphim Rose talks about the theology of Saint John of Shanghai and San Francisco.

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  • @kathleankeesler1639
    @kathleankeesler1639 4 роки тому +16

    Thank you kindly for sharing this. St John the Wonder Worker of Shanghai and San Francisco pray for us sinners.

  • @TheMeaningOfWorship
    @TheMeaningOfWorship Рік тому +1

    Man Father Kalistos had such tremendous and long-lasting influence. Fascinating

    • @elsiervo121
      @elsiervo121 5 місяців тому

      I'm unsure how you gathered this idea from Fr.Seraphim merely referencing a work authored by Timothy Ware (Fr.Kallistos).

    • @TheMeaningOfWorship
      @TheMeaningOfWorship 5 місяців тому

      Because this is an old audio and Ware is referenced in it.

    • @elsiervo121
      @elsiervo121 5 місяців тому

      @TheMeaningOfWorship I suppose that I'm having difficulty seeing the "tremendous influence" in Father Seraphim's (what appears to my mind to be) mere reference of a work written by [now] bishop Kallistos: It seems accurate to state that bishop Kallistos has had a tremendous influence here in the west and especially as regards Western converts (One would be hard pressed to deny this). However, I don't gather any such hint of his influence being at all present in Father Seraphim Rose; the age of the video (which is not at all "old" even by naive standards) is enough to see the longevity of bishop Kallistos' academic presence and the fact his work made it into Fr Seraphim Rose's hands, and was referenced by him, is an attestation to Kallistos' general popularity (and also his treatment of unique topics). It's also worth noting that during this time period (that of the original audio), Kallistos was much less involved and influenced by ecumenist agendas and affiliations, unlike today; As it concerns this latter allusion, a synopsis of the old and new editions of his highly-praised work "The Orthodox Church" may change one's mind if doubt looms therein.

    • @TheMeaningOfWorship
      @TheMeaningOfWorship 5 місяців тому

      @@elsiervo121 ah

  • @tylermaxwell1944
    @tylermaxwell1944 3 роки тому +2

    My feelings about the referral to a dragon could be a dinosaur . Faith is very important.

  • @infowolf1
    @infowolf1 7 років тому +7

    in making the sign of the cross because of some appearance, should it be done towards oneself, or towards the appearance? or both?

    • @charlesmaximus9161
      @charlesmaximus9161 Рік тому +1

      Both, but usually when the great saints would do it they would make the sign of the cross over the apparition.

  • @elizabethshaw734
    @elizabethshaw734 4 роки тому +5

    Can someone please explain to me what the word metropolitan means in front of someone's name? Thank you kindly in advance and may God bless us all we sinners.

  • @tracetemple7492
    @tracetemple7492 2 місяці тому +1

    Who is the metropolitian he mentioned at 16:20?

  • @anselman3156
    @anselman3156 4 роки тому +2

    In Fr Rose's translation of Fr Pomazansky's Pravoslavnoye Dogmaticheskoye Bogoslaviye, is says that "in the prayers for those being married the second time, forgiveness is asked for the sin if a second marriage". Does the Orthodox Church carry out marriages of divorced people believing that such a marriage is a sin? Is that not giving a blessing to sin and besmirching the sacrament of marriage?

    • @old_gaffer
      @old_gaffer 4 роки тому +2

      This is something called oikonomia, and (like all true oikonomias) it's salvific.

    • @Lancia444
      @Lancia444 4 роки тому +8

      oikonomia, or economia - which is the understanding of the weakness of man, and God's mercy for us.
      It is not a rule, and if the spiritual father believes that a second marriage in a person's case is sinful - he can deny it.
      Basic "rule" is divorce is allowed due to infidelity (or extreme persecution/domestic violence can be considered equally as infidelity) - and therefore a second marriage may be allowed.

    • @panokostouros7609
      @panokostouros7609 4 роки тому +15

      @@Lancia444 Yes, God's Economy is dispensed in conjunction with His Mercy, whereby He'll allow the "breaking" of established rules in certain unfortunate cases. It's not to be treated as a rule to abuse, but as a sign of God's love and forbearance with us.

    • @fansofst.maximustheconfess8226
      @fansofst.maximustheconfess8226 4 роки тому +3

      @@panokostouros7609 Very well put.

  • @stevenanderson4515
    @stevenanderson4515 5 років тому +3

    What is the book he is referencing at 33:00 anybody got a link

    • @alistairs8495
      @alistairs8495 3 роки тому +1

      He refers to the title at 32:49 and 33:14, "Unseen Warfare"

  • @spilkafurtseva1918
    @spilkafurtseva1918 Рік тому

    He sounds just like Alan Watts

    • @avathiana866
      @avathiana866 Рік тому +2

      I think he was a student of Alan Watts and decided to follow a different path

    • @joshuaharmening7750
      @joshuaharmening7750 20 днів тому

      @@avathiana866This is correct.

  • @Subeffulgent
    @Subeffulgent 2 роки тому

    This sounds like caveman Christianity

    • @diegobarragan4904
      @diegobarragan4904 2 роки тому +6

      Very arrogant thing say.

    • @artdanks4846
      @artdanks4846 2 роки тому +7

      @3n1productions100 . . . You should at least explain what you mean by this, and what you make this statement! It's kind of pointless to make this kind of remark without any discussion or explanation!

    • @first_namelast_name3760
      @first_namelast_name3760 Рік тому +2

      well Christianity grow in caves, catacombs. Soon the real followers of Christ will experience what their spiritual ancestors had been through

    • @thane816
      @thane816 7 місяців тому +1

      @@first_namelast_name3760 This was not the experience of the Ethiopians. Persecution there was non-existent because the upper class converted before the lower class did. Opposite direction from the Roman Empire.

    • @joshuaharmening7750
      @joshuaharmening7750 20 днів тому

      Thank you. Our Savior was born in a cave.