Straws Have 2 Holes.
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I love how the point of this channel is to piss everyone off. It's fun
Yeah he’s really good at this
It's called “A Hill to Die On”.
But it didnt work lmao. After the first video, the plan failed cuz everyone started liking the videos.
@@kumbaya69421 yeah other than the first
It is practically full support
I'm here with a zero hole argument, on the suggestion that a hole denotes the removal of material to create a vacant space.
Doughnuts have a hole because an opening is formed inside of a previously solid object.
When a straw is extruded in manufacture, the material is formed around the empty space, therefore I'd say a straw has no holes, but a channel with two open ends.
I believe in zero holes for both donut and straw because one is simply a contorted plane through 3d space, and a donut is a cylinder twisted back into itself. Both would only have wholes if hole is defined as a gap between molicules filled with air. A donut only has a hole in its dough stage once puffed its state is transformed. A whole is a vacuous breath in a material that can be filled with another substance, such as air or water, but still remains a whole until the material breatched becomes undistinguishable from the whole.
Why am I not *words stopped forming in mind*
Finally someone gets it although donuts don't have any holes either unless you intentionally put one there
It depends on your definition of hole. If it's an opening, then a cup has 1 hole. Math says that the straw has one hole, so it's TECHNICALLY the most correct.
I agree
He has betrayed Vsauce, smh.
There is one hole, change my mind... oh wait, you didn't
Virgin 1 holer conspiracy theorists topology “experts” vs chad proved by “video designed exactly to piss people off so they comment to increase viewer engagement and make stacks from the algorithm like its literally the channel name” two hole argument
incoming guys that watched vsauce and think they're smart
@@youtubeconsumer22 they do only have 1 hole
A straw is topologically a torus and thus has 1 hole.
It's not a torus, donut (with a hole in it) is a torus, inflated tube is a torus.
Straw is a cylinder with a hole in it and ability to bend at a certain place.
@@Kocan7 A straw is also a torus.
@@falconJB "In geometry, a torus (plural tori) is a surface of revolution generated by revolving a circle in three-dimensional space about an axis that is coplanar with the circle.
" at least according to wiki.
We have a straw if we rotate a line, and torus if we rotate a cricle.
@@Kocan7 If you rotate a line like that, then you'd get something that was infinitesimally thin! Uh, nitpicking aside, the T3CHN01200 is using "torus" the sense of the term from topology. Topology is a branch of mathematics which basically collapses geometry down into something which better fits with discrete math, by ignoring the shape entirely. So like, within the context of topology, a donut, straw, a coffee mug (well, the coffee mug's handle), etc. are all toruses (torii?)
EDIT: I actually watched the video now lol. So yeah, computer science is basically a grab bag of topics from discrete math, and so if you study compsci in college, then you might end up hearing about the whole topology thing. And so computer science graduates with no more than a cursory understanding of topology (such as myself) and who studied for a compsci degree mostly to learn to program rather than to learn actual compsci (I swear not me >.>), will be all "DID YOU KNOW THAT A COFFEE CUP IS BASICALLY THE SAME AS A DONUT I'M SO SMART!?!?!". To a certain extent, this video is making fun of that culture
these future Google noobs only know highly advanced calculus, but what we have is topology.
Inb4 the topologists tear this video apart
Nah, they'll just take the hole in this argument and deform it into a donut
The "how far" argument sucks because clearly you can't make something defined as a single hole be two holes because it's just a paradox. The "how distinct " is interesting, I will meditate on it in a Buddhist sanctuary for a few decades and get back to you.
Me and my philosophy degree agree with your assessment.
how far does work. imagien a heap of sand. remove grains one by one. when does it eventually not become a heap anymore. also, if you can just go all topology and deform it into another shape, then digging doesn't create holes, even though, obviously, it does.
@@drnorrisphd But we are talking about holes, not piles of sand
@@drnorrisphd Those are blind holes, not through holes, very different.
@@drnorrisphd well. The paradox also applies here. When did amount of sand needed to make it no longer a "heap"?
Man, seriously, do you have a fetish for being wrong?
ik this channel is new..but thats the purpose of this channel.. to make a wrong opinion. But it only worked for the first video as the other videos became approved by people, which definitely came as a surprise to the channel owner
@@kumbaya69421 not always a wrong opinion.. just an opinion.
@@johntuite5384 Agreed. The common thread of these opinions isn't necessarily the rightness or wrongness of the opinions, but the contrarian-ness of them.
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Ace and flaters
This hole* debate is entirely futile, is just stems from a linguistic conflation of "holes" with "entries".
*pun intended.
If you poke holes in your straws there is no limit to the amount of holes!
Do the holes between the atoms count?
@@falconJB finally someone asks the relevant questions
If you cut a straw into two pieces, bend both of them so the inside is on the outside and then taped them together, does that mean the whole universe is a hole?
I feel like you’re forcing yourself to have bad opinions for these videos
that's kinda the point.
straw purists:
physicist - many (atomic scale means there always space)
holist / geologist - 0 holes (holes have a bottom - like a golf hole or a pothole)
mathematician - 1 hole (donut / taurus)
normal people - 2 holes (like a shirt or underwear)
dynamic usage:
when you place the straw into a liquid - 1 hole - the other end is blocked
when you drink from the straw - 0 holes all ends are blocked
quantum physicist - a straw is closer to an unstable holeness because the amount of wholes is dynamic considering when and how it's used.
references:
the chinese finger trap has two holes since it requires two fingers.
a straw can be attached to other straws and reduce holes. a straw triangle has no holes...
yes straws and holes, I liked sam o'nellas straw video. That's full of holes.
cheese and holes
1 hole 2 openings. Google, I’ll take my 300k salary please.
Lol
The openings in a straw are the holes.
1:15 “In this ‘hole’ debate”- I see what you did there..
Yall chill this guy's giving his opinion everyone has different definitions of a hole. even if 2 hole people see mathematical geniuses solve it their answer rarely changes because of their definition
My favorite part about this channel is the comment section lmao
Cooks for this
3:41
Actually, that's a void point, even a topological dfinition of human body holes gives you something like seven holes.
He needs to make a video on how MM/DD/YY is better
The theme of this channel is being wrong so I guess it fits.
@@VasilisMichRavenclaw It's not being wrong per say. It's being stubborn on a controversial opinion and that makes it pretty fun to watch
*umm actually * I would argue that a straw has no holes at all. You see, if you had a sheet of paper there would be no holes. So if you rolled it up into a straw nothing should change. To say otherwise would be to argue that the hole is a physical part of of the straw when in actuality it's the absence of the straw. So in conclusion nothing has holes and God is dead.
It clearly depends on whether you consider holes in the topoligical sense (that'd make it 1) or in the sense of an opening (that's make it 2). So no debate, it just depends on the context. Also you should make polls (I know the YT polls are gone but maybe through some other way) for viewers to vote whether they argree or disagree with your opinion.
Hole is not a mathematical term. Genus is. ;)
Thanks, I couldn't get the job, because straws have 1 hole.
Yeah, you're definitely incorrect here. A path through one side of a solid through to another is one hole. A hole isn't an opening
There are no holes, it's just a flat sheet rolled with a gap, but it's not a hole.
straws are made up of infinitely many holes stacked on top of each other.
Topologically, straws have one hole.
However, the topological definition of "hole" is not the same a the colloqiual definition. (That beach would have zero holes topologically, for example.)
Nonetheless, any debate about the colloqiual definition is nothing more than semantics, and is irrelevant since it explains nothing more or less about the straw itself.
Hence this is the answer I'd give:
Topologically, 1.
Colloqiually, it is ambiguous and pointless to argue.
Some argue for the topological definition, others argue that two "entrances" constitute two holes. Neither argument can be "disproven".
P.s. these videos are great. Taking stances on useless and silly debates is a lot of fun! Keep it up!
Hole is not a mathematical term. Genus is. ;)
How do you pronounce this word?
Niche. The biological/ecological concept about an organisms place in the environment.
Is it pronounced “Neeesh” or “Nitch”
Your answer will tell a lot about where or by who you were educated.
Next question.
Bigly huge ungulate of the American plains. Bison or Buffalo? What’s the difference? How do you know? Buffalo horns are substantial and originate in the center of the skull. Bison, horns are small and come out of the side of the head. What do we call the large ungulate of the North American plains?
Which is the proper pronunciation of “Niche”?
Topologically it has 1.
But practically, it might be more useful to say 2.
Using the 2 interconnected holes in the beach as an example, you'd say "watch out for the holes" not "watch out for the 1 hole".
Then explain how short a straw has to be to only have 1 hole. And how long to have 3 or more holes [some in the middle only accessible by the terminal holes].
That's it. Unsubbing.
don't let the wrong exit confuse you on the way out.
Is this really the hill you want to die on? Wait...
if you have a straw with one hole and the other coverd then make another hole you now have a normal straw with two holes
Falsey false false. It had no holes until it is all the way through.
i feel like michael from vsauce is raging watching this
nah, he's straight up insulted. michael made a 20min video full of interesting 3D models to explain his mind-boggling observation while drawing from multiple sources and fields. and then here we have a 5min video with nothing but one guy's rants.
Vsauce, wow, what a blast from the past. I completely forgot he existed. He had once these videos that only YT Red subscribers could watch. So I clicked to try/buy this UA-cam Red and was told "that my country is not eligible". So I rage quit Vsauce and never looked back. Good times.
If a person sees the "two holes" on the beach and says there are two holes, then they have a justified belief. But you'd be right to correct them, because you have a justified *true* belief.
This video convinced me that a straw has one hole
2:34 please stop, I didn't do anything wrong! I don't even know you!
:sad topologists noises:
Topologists always make weird noises. Can't be helped when they are irrefutably flutes
I say there are 0 holes. Why? It if more efficient to fold a tube then to make a cylinder and poke a hole in it in a factory setting.
human bodies are technically donuts -B.S. in physiology
They aren't literally donuts, they are really long donuts, but with 7 holes
I mean look I love this channel but come on bud, at least the other vids have some subjectivity, this is just wrong lmao
You can mess with tomatos and cupcakes, I'll give you that. But math? Com'on, it wasn't convincing.
3 holes, entry exit and a conecting hole.
They do.
Have 1 hole
While you are firmly incorrect topologically, I’ll grant that you may be correct teleologically. That is, if you only ask about the shape, it’s got one hole. But if you’re asking about function, then the number of holes varies (according to what function is currently being considered).
Please, talk about the fact that trains are not necessary and not needed in America.
nope, I saw that vsauce video "how many holes does a human have"
straw has only one hole 😤
i liked the vsauce video too, but it isn't even in the same category here. straws are just a small functional object - the distance from "entry" to "exit" isn't even very far. moreover, the entire point of a straw is to deliver liquids quickly and conveniently from one end to the other thru its hole... a human's digestive tract is far more complicated in both form and function. sure, things _eventually_ pass from mouth to anus, but it takes quite a while and a lotta stuff happens before anything finally exits.
straw has 1 hole is so simple and obvious there isn't even a need to argue it at all.
until this video happened and forced the conversation for no reason.
Since I'm not yet mathematically mature enough to understand topology, it's more a matter of trust for me here.
And I would rather trust good mathematicians and VSauce rather than some heretic who keeps spouting BS :)
A straw deformation retracts to a circle, whose 1st homology group is /mathbb{Z}. One hole gang
Now think about a hot air balloon. It normally has 1 hole at the bottom for the hot air.
If we add a second hole at the top.
Isn't it like the straw now?
your new channel is....polymatter?
Polymatter is the old one.
Straws have 3 holes. Some do. And if the question is "how many holes does A straw have", then the answer is also 3. A straw has 3 holes. Of course, a straw having 3 holes had 3 holes put into it, and may be a lousy straw. Another straw, having had no holes put into it, has zero holes. This is a more common straw: it has a conduit right the way through.
I started off disagreeing but I thought about a straw that is split into two sipping ends (like a ‘Y’ shape) would that still be only one hole? Then you can keep splitting the straw, maybe an ‘X’ shape now, would that still be 1 hole?
The Y-shaped straw would have 2 holes topologically. It has 3 openings. And a normal straw clearly has 1 hole, 2 openings.
I still say it´s one hole. A hole in the ground is not only the entrance, but a few meters deep it´s still this one hole. The whole body of room behind the entrance is the one original hole, even in a straw with infinite length. People making arguments for how many connection points are to the outside of the hole in a straw. If your saying mouth and butt are two holes, you´re only talking about the two connection points separating your guts from the outside. Same with a straw
Aren't holes only on 2d planes?
Also, what a niche argument, never heard of it so couldn't care less LOL.
My answer: What is a hole?
(And then I proceed to look at my interviewer profoundly, perhaps with a raised eyebrow)
English language does not provide a clear definition to answer this question definitively. Does any? If you speal any language that provides a different perspective on this matter, please tell me. I am very curious
It's the same in german as in english. "Loch" means "hole" and "Öffnung" means "opening". And "Loch" can also be used to refer to an opening, just like in english.
@@lordkekz4 Interesting to know, thank you =)
Zero holes from a metaphysical point of view since there is basically vacuum in a straw regardless of it's seeming density and solidity to us
Straws have two openings, but one hole. That’s the whole answer.
In this context, since a straw is a tube, openings and holes are synonymous. The openings on each side of the tube are the holes.
Incorrect. A straw is not a torus. A torus is a 3d object that has only a single surface and no edges. A straw has a clear inside and outside faces and two circular edges.
A hole by definition goes through something. Meaning it must enter it and exit it. Therefore a straw has only one hole, while a torus has no holes. Because the empty space doesn't enter the torus.
you whole argument assumes that the people who say it is one hole would also agree that a tunnel through the earth is two holes (something I very much disagree with, and the assumption that we would agree your sand analogy works. The sand analogy does not work, because upon realizing they are connected, you would be realizing that they are in fact just one connected hole.
everyone saying you're wrong because "explain when one hole become two" or "openings aren't holes" but the mere fact that there's a debate shows that language is complex. it's like, when would a heap of sand, after removing grains, no longer be a heap. unless you're arguing that they stay a heap until there is no sand, you agree there is some point where it's not a heap, but you could never justify any specif place to become a heap. as for entry isn't hole, well, people use hole to mean entry, and because english doesn't actually have a ruling body over the language, just dictionaries that try to tell you what the speakers are doing with it, as long as you think of them as two entries, and use hole and entry interchangeably, it's two. if you're a pedant who refuses to accept the way others speak, it's one. and the topology argument really starts to beark down when you realize thay hole in common speach doewn't just mean a complete passway in and out through something, but can even just be significant divots. really, there are as many holes in a straw as you want to believe.
Michael Here would beg to differ
As a mathematician I would say that straw is solid (filled) torus with genus 1. "Hole" is not a mathematical term, but "genus" is. ;)
This entire argument appears to be predicated on the author simply misunderstanding what the word "hole" means.
hate it, wormhole theory may have one, two or multiple exits. the straw issue is the same, what if a straw has one entrance and two mouth pieces. i understand that simplicity and a job interview may find enthusiasm from an answer that they agree with, but that does not mean they are right, and worse than that, i am fairly sure that their own AI would hate the singular ideal for such a complex but simple idea. As old Galileo stated, I may admit that i am wrong, and yet i will still be proven correct. i feel terrible for google if that is type of question that they place in the path of any proper theorist that works with AI. They can do better.
A straw doesn't have one hole, nor two. It has one tunnel.
Oh god hahahaha
technically if you squint hard enough, there are effectively infinite holes.
Then you start to realise that most of the "plastic" or "metal" part of the straw is basically one interconnected emptiness, meaning that the straw becomes one massive empty void and there are zero holes.
11 video’s in and you have yet to make one I disagree with.
There's no holes it's a straw
Seriously? Have you ever heard of topology? It doesn't matter at all how far the two openings are from each other (they could be on either side of the universe for that matter), how much the tube "twists" in between the two openings, or if the holes have differently shaped perimeters. If it's topologically a torus, it has one hole, no matter how much you dislike that. If we accept you proposition, we basically break mathematics.
"I'm not a topologist", or "the English language is vague" aren't excuses, at all.
Ok, I was still in "Polymatter" mode, this alternative channel is your "satirical" channel, isn't it?
Just use the expression 'opening'. Then it has two openings and you avoid all the ambigioty and stupid bikesheding.
This channel is like "pick a topic out of a hat" in high school forensics... and then defend it to the death. I love it!! And yes, straws, like the human digestive system, have 2 holes, thank goodness.
Just sip the drink, any problem nerds??
Very interesting
Holy crap, your whole argument has a lot of holes in it. ;)
A Hill I would die on is a Month is 4 weeks and so we should 13 months.
Now, I really dig this channel. But this is just nonsense dancing around definitions. If you are asked this question in an interview, it will be for a job that somewhat requires topological thinking, and then you'll know the answer. If you discuss this with stoned friends at a party, the more fun argument might actually be that the straw has billions of holes, if you consider all the nothingness inside its atoms. What a downer for the party. ;-)
I will surely get a job on google now thanks
i concur. the fundamental question at hand should be: if a straw had NO holes, what would it be? if a straw only has one hole, filling it would produce a solid rod of plastic. if a straw has two holes, filling them would produce a hollow tube. I think it's pretty obvious that a hollow tube is much more straw like; thus 2 holes
Algebric topology tells you that you are wrong
The one-hole argument by topologists is based on the assumptions that the straw material is without holes itself. Physics disproves this: material is made of atoms, thus a shitton of space in-between these atoms. Atoms are made of elementary particles, which have no spacial extent to begin with. Therefore, it is false to apply topology. Yes, mathematics can be used to *model* the straw material in order to derive a doughnut shape. But the approximations of the model (namely 'straw material is not made of atoms but solid') are based on human arbitraryness, and by the same arbitraryness we can define the word 'hole' in a non-mathematical but useful way and say that a straw has two holes. The reasons why this way is useful are described in the video.
* grabs popcorn *
A straw is a plain wrapped up on itself, there is no hole.
Dance the lou lights
Not that sussy thumbnail 🅱️😳🅱️
Linguistics is just as valid a field as topology, and "hole" as a word is only defined by native speaker intuitions/consensus, so there can be multiple correct answers. It's like how there are both mathematical and colloquial definitions of rational, or plane, or set.
I like this debate not to find who's "right," but so I can see interesting arguments for how everyone justifies their own answer.
(but if your intuition aligns with topology or is based on topology, you still have a correct answer that I'm not arguing against)
Who ever said that the length was actually a factor? It doesn't matter at all, the shape might actually be more important. But still- it is one hole. Mathematics proves it, and all the discussion is just a stupid 21 century understanding of "cReAtiVe ThInKiNg", what a ridiculous time to be alive. So happy to not have to deal with people who think this way.
It does matter, because in order for a tube to have 2 holes, it has to be considered a tube in the first place. By definition, a tube requires length. Every dictionary on the planet proves a straw has 2 holes. Your dismissal of "creative thinking" is actually you just ignoring common sense.
I'm subscribed to this channel and at this point, I've disliked more than half of his videos here. God I love this guy!
Your question is predicated on the idea of a hole having a clear definition, which in your explanation you reveal that it does not. So in order to pose the question in the first place, you must clarify the definition of a hole. There could be several definitions which will quite drastically change the correct answer. If a hole is defined as a an opening which leads to somewhere else, then there are two holes since you can enter the straw from either end. If the hole is the space inside the straw, then there is one hole. However, if a hole is simply defined as a circular shape in a substrate through which an object may pass, there are mathematically infinite holes, as the tube represents a series of infinitesimally small and connected holes in a series.
I mean common sense dictates that this question is up for debate. But topological math definitely says you're wrong.
I agree with this channel, but something something ego.
Why do you think it has 2 holes, that's just like saying the earth is not round
Vsauce
0:03 now it's which disaffected minority(s) do you "identify as" and do you have a 'gender studies' 'qualification'?
1 hole 2 openings
Holes do not exist
If you dug a hole in the ground like in sand (what the video suggests) well that's not actually a hole (topologically speaking)
2025: "what's a straw"
I have a Nebula subscription, there this video is mentioned as a Nebula original but both videos are the same then how this a Nebula original?
Although he is obviously wrong, straws mathematically do have only 1 hole, in a way he is also kinda right. In an interview it may be good to acknowledge that different models may be more helpful for different settings. Want to prove something rigorously? 1 hole. Want to understand how the faulty human brain perceives the world? 2 holes may be useful
I like how people only care about topology when it comes to this straw debate. For everything else, you use how your faulty human brain perceives the world.
Ah but your plan has 1 hole
I don't have a credit card. That is necessary for a subscription
We are in a simulation. Our straws don't actually exist, therefore they have no holes
No video here so far is disagreeable from my perspective in any manor to me and so I believe I may also be a robot.
Literally the only one of these that you've made so far that I disagree with
Sorting comments for only the ones with the word “hole” would just be every comment