16 Composers on the Fringes Who Ought to Be Mainstream

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  • @petterw5318
    @petterw5318 2 роки тому +49

    My pick is Frederic Mompou, who wrote piano miniatures like a serious Satie. Every decade he is rediscovered by a major pianist (Hough, Volodos, Trifonov...) but he has never managed to become mainstream.

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  2 роки тому +19

      Good pick! I agree completely.

    • @petterw5318
      @petterw5318 2 роки тому +1

      @@WarinPartita6 Yes, of course, they were both from Barcelona and knew each other. And Victoria de los Ángeles sang many of this wonderful songs (for example "Damunt de tu, només les flors")

    • @rixtafford
      @rixtafford Рік тому +2

      He also wrote guitar works for Andres Segovia. They probably get performed more than any of his other works.

    • @nigelhaywood9753
      @nigelhaywood9753 8 місяців тому

      @@petterw5318 Both? Satie and Mompou? Satie was from Normandy but I guess that you’re not talking about him.

    • @fabiopaolobarbieri2286
      @fabiopaolobarbieri2286 6 місяців тому

      I will look him up, but using Satie's name as a comparison is no argument. If I never hear any of his music again, it will be too soon.

  • @henrystratmann807
    @henrystratmann807 2 роки тому +16

    Here are some potential additions to David's excellent list of worthy composers:
    Heinrich Ignaz Franz Biber (not to be confused with a contemporary "musician" with a similar-sounding surname whose first name is "Justin." Believe me, they are quite different.) I suggest playing the composer's "Battalia" for someone who has never heard it before and then challenging them to guess when it was composed. Biber's other greatest hits range from ethereal chamber music such as his "Rosary" Sonatas for violin and continuo, through literally brassy works like the Sonata Sancti Polycarpi, to that prime example of Colossal Baroque, the Missa Salisburgensis. It is noteworthy that Biber also worked primarily in a town that, a few generations later, would be home (sometimes) to a particular father-son pair of composers, with the younger in particular achieving some degree of renown.
    Christoph Graupner. His major claim to fame is that he was the second choice for the position of Cantor in Leipzig in 1723 after the first one, Telemann, leveraged a better deal with his current employer. Unfortunately, Graupner had to decline that job because he was unable to secure a release from the contract binding him to his own patron at the time. He then generously recommended to the musical powers-that-be in Leipzig a third composer, who did accept what became a long-term gig for him. Graupner's many overtures, sinfonias, concerti, and other instrumental/vocal works are quite good, although perhaps not on average quite up to the standard set by the prolific (in more ways than one) man who did become the Cantor of Leipzig.
    Johann David Heinichen. He and Zelenka worked together in Dresden for a time. His concerto grossi in particular feature some great music for recorders and virtuosic music for horns.
    Muzio Clementi. An excellent specialist in keyboard/piano music. In Emperor Joseph II's perhaps not quite discerning judgment, he played a certain rising young newcomer to Vienna to a draw in a piano competition held in 1781. That other composer later paid homage to (or is that plagiarized?) Clementi by using a striking motif from the opening of the latter's piano sonata Op. 27, No. 2 in a work of his own that still appears in concert halls and opera houses.
    Giovanni Battista Viotti. A violin virtuoso famous in his day for over two dozen violin concertos and other works for strings. Even if they do not recognize him as the composer of the main melody for his Theme and Variations in D Major (for violin and orchestra, 1781), anyone who has ever watched the movie "Casablanca" will recognize that tune via its unauthorized incorporation into a vocal piece originating during the French Revolution.
    Last and surely least--C.P.E.'s much younger sibling, P.D.Q. Bach. I will say no more.

  • @anttivirolainen8223
    @anttivirolainen8223 2 роки тому +10

    Chances are that without this UA-cam channel I wouldn't have ended up buying your book about C.P.E. Bach. Had I not bought the book I probably wouldn't have familiarized myself so extensively with C.P.E. Bach's works. I warmly recommend everyone to get to know "the other Bach" better. It's almost like finding a new continent.

  • @arthurtwoshed
    @arthurtwoshed 2 роки тому +16

    Bax, YES!! Cannot understand for the life of me why he isn't recognised more.
    His symphonies, Symphonic poems, piano sonatas and his great piano Quintet are all original and strong works.

  • @OldBoar
    @OldBoar 2 роки тому +9

    Great and profound thanks from a dyed-in-the-wool Baxian for your hearty, and maintained, support for his remarkable music. Admirable stuff from you, Sir. Marvellous.

  • @owengette8089
    @owengette8089 2 роки тому +9

    I’d probably tack on Biber, who’s especially becoming popular in the violin circle of things-his masses are some of the most astounding works of the Baroque era.

  • @mhc2231
    @mhc2231 2 роки тому +9

    Lately I’ve been listening to, and enjoying, Mieczysław Weinberg - both orchestral and chamber music. I got to him from reading about Shostakovich. He’s one of those composers that I feel like I SHOULD have known before now.

  • @colincrandal1280
    @colincrandal1280 2 роки тому +3

    Thank you by the way for throning me on to Frank Martin! Been searching far and wide for recordings of his music and it has been a wonderful journey

  • @malrobs
    @malrobs Рік тому +15

    I would double it to 32: Arnold, Atterberg, Bax, Berwald, Diamond, Glazunov, Hanson, Roy Harris, Hindemith, Holmboe, Honegger, Kalliwoda, Kokkonen, Lajtha, Miaskovsky, Moeran, Parry, Piston, Rawsthorne, Reicha, Ries, Rosenberg, Roussel, Rubbra, W Schuman, R Simpson, Stanford, Stenhammar, Suk, Tansman, Tubin, Vanhal, Weinberg

    • @paulbauerle9787
      @paulbauerle9787 6 місяців тому

      like and appreciate your list much more!

    • @rolandmeyer3729
      @rolandmeyer3729 6 місяців тому +2

      I love the Robert Simpson 9th. ❤

    • @fabiopaolobarbieri2286
      @fabiopaolobarbieri2286 6 місяців тому +2

      I would not say Hindemith is forgotten. Perhaps less red-hot than he was in his time. Thanks for mentioning Roussel.

    • @donkeychan491
      @donkeychan491 5 місяців тому +1

      Very good list, also:
      Havergal Brian
      William Alwyn
      Frank Bridge

    • @SittaCarolinensis
      @SittaCarolinensis 18 днів тому

      Robert Simpson absolutely; particularly the string quartets.

  • @robhaynes4410
    @robhaynes4410 2 роки тому +11

    Wow, what a great talk! Casella, Still, Bax, Atterberg, Braga Santos, & Arnold! All of them are incredible & absolute favorites of mine.
    I'd add E.J. Moeran (not a ton of music, but everything that's there is of amazing quality), William Alwyn (start with Symphonies 2 & 4), George Lloyd (The Vigil of Venus!), Gordon Jacob, Herbert Howells (fanous-ish for his choral music, but completely ignored for his excellent orchestral & chamber works), & probably half a dozen other British composers I'll think of later.

  • @mikeheffernansongwriter9128
    @mikeheffernansongwriter9128 Рік тому +10

    UA-cam has introduced me to so many great composers I was not aware of prior.. The one that stands out for me is E.J. Moeran. His music has a unique mysticism and melodic touch. Its familiar and yet new. There's an Irish tender sadness in it too. I return to his work frequently.

    • @jimcookemusic
      @jimcookemusic Рік тому

      The superb Moeran symphony is breathtaking live.

    • @michaelmiller641
      @michaelmiller641 11 місяців тому

      And his friend Peter Warlock

    • @fabiopaolobarbieri2286
      @fabiopaolobarbieri2286 2 місяці тому

      @@michaelmiller641 There I have to disagree. How about we try Gerald Finzi instead?

  • @stpd1957
    @stpd1957 2 роки тому +3

    That's a very interesting selection Dave. I have to confess that I am not familiar with the works of several of the composers that you've listed above so I must explore further. I am very fond of the music of
    Dismas Zelenka
    CPE Bach
    Luigi Boccherini
    Charles Valentin Alkan
    Alfredo Casella
    Arnold Bax and most especially Kurt Atterberg. I would also like to add Vagn Holmboe and Rued Langgaard to the list

  • @JG_1998
    @JG_1998 2 роки тому +7

    So glad you mentioned Alkan (as you have in the past). His concerto for solo piano is just as much of an incredible/revolutionary piece of music as any Beethoven sonata, and yet its relegated to relative obscurity. Hopefully one day he gets his due. I think he is absolutely worthy of being considered one of the greatest composers of the romantic era.

  • @vladroman3802
    @vladroman3802 2 роки тому +5

    Thank you for the video, David!
    Have you thought of making a video on underrated operas?
    Enescu’s Oedipe is very underrated in my opinion, although I consider it one of the masterworks of 20th century opera. What do you think about it?
    I remember your video on expressionist one-act operas “for a rainy day” and it was great to hear you talk about a Korngold opera, Violanta in that case. Die tote Stadt is also one of my favorites.

  • @maxmachado8632
    @maxmachado8632 Рік тому +1

    Thanks to you Dave, I now know and love Hindemith’s works, Zelenka’s choral works, CPE Bach’s keyboard works, Boccerini’s Symphonies, Bax’s Tone Poems, Kalliwoda’s orchestral works and Gillis’ Symphonies
    I am truly indebted to you.
    Thank you and take care!

  • @henrynerenberg7128
    @henrynerenberg7128 2 роки тому +3

    Two of my favorites who could well be on the list: Nikolai Kapustin and Pavel Haas. Sarlatan is a magnificent opera! Thanks Dave, for giving us a seemingly neverending musical survey course.

  • @kevindanielson1908
    @kevindanielson1908 2 роки тому +2

    Wonderful list! I’m pretty new here and am thoroughly enjoying your posts! Please keep up the good work! Love Still, Gillis and Casella by the way!

  • @jonbaum
    @jonbaum 11 місяців тому +2

    I sang CPE Bach's Magnificat once. Absolutely wonderful.

  • @mickeytheviewmoo
    @mickeytheviewmoo 2 роки тому +3

    One composer I would give a mention is William Baines. He is our local hero. He composed mainly for solo piano with a Debussy influence. He wrote a number of orchestral and chamber works but hardly any have been recorded. Some of his Piano pieces were recorded by Eric Parkin and are charming. Sadly he died of Tuberculosis at the age of 23 years old.

    • @robhaynes4410
      @robhaynes4410 2 роки тому

      Agreed as to his piano music. Fantastic. I don't know any of his other works, though I've tried to find them.

    • @mickeytheviewmoo
      @mickeytheviewmoo 2 роки тому

      @@robhaynes4410 I only wish Naxos or someone else would do a recording of some of his music.

  • @LeotheK
    @LeotheK 2 роки тому +4

    By the way, thanks for teaching me how to listen for the main musical motives in large extended works - it brings everything together. Amazing.

  • @untoa
    @untoa 8 місяців тому

    Hello Dave
    Thank you so much for this list! Zelenka, Missa Votiva! Who knew? Well you did obviously. Thank you very much for sharing.

  • @DvdAndrsn
    @DvdAndrsn 2 місяці тому

    I'm a big fan of Othmar Schoeck. He's mainly known for his Lieder but he wrote in many genres. Fischer-Dieskau was a big advocate (one of his last recordings is of a Schoeck cycle) and Schoeck revised the vocal line in Lebendig Begraben for him in the 50s. I was in the Hug music store in Zurich in my idle youth and I told an elderly salesman I was looking for Schoeck songs. "Oh, yes. I used to see him come in here."

  • @alexhamilton9758
    @alexhamilton9758 2 роки тому +2

    I find Braga Santos' 4th symphony to be the most accessible late-Romantic piece of the post WW1 era. It's irresistible in its melodic and dramatic content. He's unashamedly tonal.

  • @pelodelperro
    @pelodelperro 2 роки тому +2

    Great list as always! I'd add Lili Boulanger, who didn't write too much music but it's great and deserving of more attention.

    • @stevenault2839
      @stevenault2839 2 роки тому +1

      She died in her 20s. Her famous sister stated that Lili was the more talented of the two.

  • @davidhocquet9389
    @davidhocquet9389 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks to you dear David, many of these composers who were unknown to me have become familiar names !

  • @martinhaub2602
    @martinhaub2602 2 роки тому +3

    60 ot 600? Easily. As the late James DePriest once said to me, "there's no shortage of great music, just s shortage of orchestra time". Of all the composers on your list it is Bax that I love the most and I hope to hear one of his symphonies played live just once. Gillis and Atterberg I have played, so they're not on my list.

  • @classicalduck
    @classicalduck 2 роки тому +2

    When you mentioned Bax, I found myself wondering, "Why not Arnold?" I should have just waited.
    I'd like to put a word in for a composer whose strong point was delightful and melodic chamber music, particularly for winds: Georges Onslow. His music is not deep, but it is pure pleasure. And there is quite a lot of it!

  • @armandobayolo3270
    @armandobayolo3270 7 місяців тому

    Re. CPE Bach: hard agree! I picked up the Hansler complete works set on your recommendations here and I've yet to be disappointed. His keyboard works, certainly, but his symphonies deserve mention.

  • @dalepalarz3921
    @dalepalarz3921 2 роки тому +1

    There are so many worthies who deserve greater attention. I will, however, limit myself to two composers whose works I am deeply fond of and whose lack of recognition is puzzling to me. The first is Meyer Kupferman and the other is Ernst Toch. Two twentieth century guys scratching out a living by making terrific music. It'd be nice if they were heard more because to hear their stuff is to enjoy their stuff. In other words it's highly listenable. Thanks for posting this fine video.

  • @TdF_101
    @TdF_101 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you for this list. One thing I've also noticed (and maybe it's not always true) living between Italy & the UK is that some composers are really famous/established in one country but then can be B or even C-list composers in another, neglected or just underperformed.

  • @slushpump2338
    @slushpump2338 Рік тому

    Wonderful video with great recommendations. Thank you, Dave!
    BTW, one of the most (unintentionally) entertaining things about your videos is seeing what the automatically-generated English subtitles do to composer names.
    For example, in this one:
    "Cheryl Kirkland" = Charles Koechlin.
    It's even better for Alkan.
    "Alcohol"= Alkan
    "Cheryl Vanity Morons" = Charles-Valentin Morhange (Alkan's real name)
    And where you describe Alkan as "the Mahler of the piano," the subtitle says "the Mauler of the piano."
    You can't make this stuff up.
    Thanks again, Dave!

  • @guimapg10
    @guimapg10 Рік тому

    Thank you so much, David. I never listened to music the same way after I met your channel.

  • @olivierbeltrami
    @olivierbeltrami 9 місяців тому

    I recently discovered Atterberg and am very impressed. Particularly the piano concerto. But all his symphonies are worthy of note.

  • @armandobayolo3270
    @armandobayolo3270 7 місяців тому

    There's just so much music out there! And that there was enough space in concert programs to present it all.
    I'd add Grazina Bacewicz, Karl Amadeus Hartmann, Nicolai Myaskovsky, Alexander Glazunov, and Louise Farrenc.

  • @timyork6150
    @timyork6150 Рік тому

    Thanks once again, Dave, for opening our eyes (or should I say ears?) to unfamiliar music. Of those 16 names, only 7 were names known to me, of whom as few as 3 are represented in my record collection, namely C.P.E Bach, Boccherini and Bax, the first two undoubtedly under-represented. From your descriptions of the music, I feel most tempted to give a whirl to Kalliwoda, Schulhoff and Lajtha.
    When it comes to below the radar English composers, I have a special affection for Delius, who is totally original in style, but also Finzi, a sort of Elgarian clone, and Moeran, both of whom I prefer to Bax, whose orchestral music is too thick textured and diffuse for my taste. For some reason, I have ignored Arnold and now hope to remedy that.
    Amongst the lesser known French, I love Satie and Duparc, am trying to come to terms with Roussel, have just started on Pierné and would like to deepen my acquaintance with Lekeu (French speaking Belgian).

  • @teodorb.p.composer
    @teodorb.p.composer 7 місяців тому

    I fully agree with you, composers like Zelenka, CPE Bach, Alkan, etc. are great, but i would add to the list Medtner, Feinberg and Stanchinsky, which are one of the best composers, but nobody knows them.

  • @jeffhamill1917
    @jeffhamill1917 2 роки тому

    Many thanks for introducing us to Franz Berwald and Johann Wenzel Kalivoda in your videos; I now have a number of recordings of their music that you recommended and enjoy them tremendously. Likewise with the Hänssler set of C.P.E. Bach, whose music I already liked. Schulhoff is another; I already had the recordings you suggested in another video. The others on your list I will listen to as soon as I can make time.
    Three other composers you might consider for future discussion - Ignaz Pleyel, Bernd Alois Zimmermann, and Gavriil Popov.
    Popov is a particular favorite of mine, especially his 1st, 5th, and 6th symphonies, and his Chamber Symphony (I would recommend the Melodiya recordings). His music strongly resists categorization, although one critic described his first symphony as “expressionistic catastrophism.”

  • @Cesar_SM
    @Cesar_SM 2 роки тому +6

    I was expecting George Lloyd in your list. He really needs to be more widely known.

  • @stevenault2839
    @stevenault2839 2 роки тому

    Mieczysław Weinberg. I was recently turned on to his string quartets, of which he wrote 17. Very impressive

  • @rickcavalla7341
    @rickcavalla7341 Рік тому

    What happened to Vagn Holmboe? He seemed to be getting recorded extensively in the '90s and '00s and on the verge of breaking through. I even heard Leonard Botstein conduct him at Carnegie Hall. But he seems to have slipped back into the fringes...

  • @charlespowell9117
    @charlespowell9117 2 роки тому +2

    Hi Dave--How about the baroque composer Stoelzel and in the 20th century Weinberg----I just discovered Casella--thanks.

  • @ericseddon1782
    @ericseddon1782 Рік тому

    Wonderful list! I'm going to add Sir Arthur Bliss. I often say no composer ever lived up to his name like Bliss. His "A Colours Symphony" is not beautiful, but a profound statement on his WWI experience and hope for the future of his generation afterwards. He also wrote beautiful chamber music and ballets.

  • @richardbois3642
    @richardbois3642 2 роки тому

    Hi Dave. Wonderful video. I stream Minnesota Public Radio’s classical channel and I’m happy to say that William Grant Still is getting more play than a few years ago. Two composers I’d like your opinions of are Ned Rorem and Caroline Shaw. The former’s work has grown on me greatly since Naxos first included him in their American series. The latter I simply find great fun to listen to.

  • @waynesmith3767
    @waynesmith3767 11 місяців тому

    William Grant Still was a great American composer; glad you mention him.

  • @samsun216
    @samsun216 Місяць тому

    Went on to learn more about the names I didn't know and fun fact: both Zelenka and Kalivoda shares surnames with serial killers :)

  • @josephromance3908
    @josephromance3908 Рік тому

    I completely agree about Don Gillis. Love his music. I sometimes think of his as Copland meets Richard Rodgers.

  • @cimbalok2972
    @cimbalok2972 6 місяців тому

    Percy Grainger, Grazyna Bacewicz, Karol Szymanowski, Leo Weiner, Henryk Gorecki, Margaret Bonds, Josef Suk, Florence Price, Josef Bohuslav Foerster, George Enescu, Mily Balakirev. Maybe not all as deserving as the 16 mentioned above, but pretty darn good. I would add Leos Janacek but Chicago's Lyric Opera just did Jenufa, so he's not on my "neglected" list, for now.

  • @zenonorth1193
    @zenonorth1193 2 роки тому

    I wouldn't have wanted your job in trying to narrow down the list. So tough, but it was a great list (as far as the composers I'm familiar with is concerned). Reicha, (maybe) Raff, Cyril Scott and Germaine Tailleferre would have made my list, but as you said, there are SO many.

  • @flexusmaximus4701
    @flexusmaximus4701 Рік тому

    I just discovered this chat. I would like to nominate for consideration. Robert Simpson. I have recently discovered his symphonies and quartets. I only knew of him from his writings on Bruckner and Neilson. He would I think be the logical choice of a where do you go after Neilson chat. His symphonies have that clashing. Striving tone that Neilson had.
    Paul

  • @juliendupre8704
    @juliendupre8704 2 роки тому +5

    Great video ! I totally agree especially about Koechlin and Bax.
    Could you do a video of composers who are almost unknown but deserve to be (at least) on the fringes ?

  • @FoxTheWise1324
    @FoxTheWise1324 Рік тому

    Dear Dave is it possible to make a programme on László Lajtha music and 9 symphonies. Many thanks

  • @kylejohnson8877
    @kylejohnson8877 2 роки тому

    I was pleasantly surprised to see that the National Symphony under that great champion of neglected Italian music, Gianandrea Noseda, will be performing Casella’s masterful 3rd Symphony this weekend in DC. Hopefully this leads to greater interest in this wonderful composer!

  • @happywolfie1980
    @happywolfie1980 2 роки тому +6

    I will nominate Enescu - he didn't wrote an enormous amount of music but he did wrote pieces for most genres except in the concerto form, and I find most of them beautiful and at the very least substantially mature in style.

    • @manuhariharan4983
      @manuhariharan4983 3 місяці тому

      I'll add rautavaara who nobody's mentioned yet

  • @fabiopaolobarbieri2286
    @fabiopaolobarbieri2286 6 місяців тому

    I keep on insisting on Richard Wetz. I love his symphonies and am actively seeking out more of his work. Then there is the amazingly long-lived Joseph Gossec, who composed his first masterpiece (Grande Messe des Morts) ten years before Beethoven was born, and his last (Messe des Vivants) after his death. And Luigi Dallapiccola is the one man who, in my view at least, has made really good and fruitful use of twelve-tone music, and deserves to be better known than he is. As for the British symphonists - Bax, Rubbra, Moeran, etc - we have to remember that, after a period of celebrity in the forties and fifties, they were collectively murdered by the BBC, which from the late fifties was controlled by a current of ideological hardline modernists, who insured that nobody who wrote in accessible language would be performed. Britten was saved by the immense and enduring success of Peter Grimes and the War Requiem, and Malcolm Arnold, probably, by his movie scores. (And even so, I don't remember any of his symphonies or other works being broadcast.)

  • @woongcho7709
    @woongcho7709 2 роки тому +1

    I would like to thank you Dave for introducing Koechlin via ClassicsToday. Now I am a fan of his music and continue to look to his catalogue to see if there's anything good that I am missing. Recently I've found Le Saxophone Lumineux, his complete works for Saxophone and Piano, all of which I regard as great. I also love Bax and Attenberg. Their music sounds better on each listen. By the way, would I have gone too far if I would say Astor Piazzolla was a mainstream classical music composer? Also, it seems to me almost all - maybe all - Spanish composers are forced to stick on the fringe. Just my thought....

  • @jesus-of-cheeses
    @jesus-of-cheeses Рік тому

    Might I throw in Vítězslav Novák? He’s tinged with modernism but never stops being romantic. And the music is just sublime. Pan (symphonic) and Eternal Longing are my favorite of his works.

  • @sgut1947
    @sgut1947 7 місяців тому

    Nice list, and some more excellent suggestions in the comments. I would add Louise Farrenc and maybe Joachim Raff.

  • @scp240
    @scp240 2 роки тому +1

    The few composers that we know about from the Medieval period are worth seeking out if you are into that sort of thing. My personal favorite is Perotin, along with his predecessor Léonin, who together virtually invented 3 and 4 part polyphony.

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  2 роки тому +1

      They are as mainstream as they are going to get, especially as we only have a tiny handful of works.

  • @CortJohnson
    @CortJohnson 2 роки тому

    Ha! I’ve only listened to one of these (Bach - thanks to Dave). Love hearing about less well known composers 😊

  • @charlescoleman5509
    @charlescoleman5509 2 роки тому +1

    I would love to include a number of living composers that deserve to be mainstream, but I'm biased, since I'm one myself.

  • @stefanehrenkreutz1839
    @stefanehrenkreutz1839 2 роки тому

    I was sorry not to see Krommer on the list. On your recommendation,I listened as carefully as I could to the 8 symphonies available of the 9 he wrote. They are fascinating post-classical, pre-romantic symphonies. I would particularly recommend the 'menuet' of the 6th Symphony which I just could not get out of my inner hearing . His symphonies as a corpus are a noable set of works. Each of the symphonies would work very well on the first part of a concert. There is also a lovely sinfonia concertante.

  • @mikesimpson3207
    @mikesimpson3207 6 місяців тому

    I clearly have some listening to do, because I'm not familiar with any of these besides CPE Bach and Still's first symphony.
    I'd like to add Ruth Crawford Seeger to the conversation. She is, to my mind, one of the major figures of American "Ultra-Modernism" (like Ives, Cowell, Carter a bit later if you count him). She wrote very little because she took some years off from composing, working in collecting/publishing folksongs, then died young. Still, what little she wrote is brilliant, especially her only string quartet, her piano variations, and Music for Small Orchestra, which is a gorgeous and atmospheric study in polyrhythms. Anybody who likes that sort of rugged American music, with lots of strong rhythms and dissonant counterpoint, owes it to themselves to check her out.

  • @Listenerandlearner870
    @Listenerandlearner870 Рік тому +1

    Siegfried Wagner wrote lovely music like Sehnsucht and The Goblin.
    Definitely Schulhoff and Weinberg.

  • @jimcookemusic
    @jimcookemusic Рік тому

    WOT! You dissed Atterberg's amazing piano concerto! 😳

  • @TheFlairRick
    @TheFlairRick 2 роки тому

    Possible to talk about Pavel Vejvanovsky & Johann Heinrich Schmelzer in future videos? How about Bach's Predecessors in the Thamaskantorei Leipzig like Tobias Michael, Sebastian Knupfer, Johann Schelle, and Johann Kuhnau?

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  2 роки тому

      I don't find them terribly special, although Schmelzer is pretty good.

  • @levivolkart126
    @levivolkart126 2 роки тому +4

    I think Ferdinand Ries is worth listening to. He was a student of Beethoven and wrote mainly piano music, but he composed all sorts of things. I would recommend listening to the Sextet op. 100.

    • @SaintSaens0
      @SaintSaens0 2 роки тому +2

      yah! piano concerto 3 and 9 are also pretty cool, also look at his 5th symphony, it has some familiar Beethoven motives lol

  • @nelsoncamargo5120
    @nelsoncamargo5120 2 роки тому +2

    Alberto Nepomuceno, a fine Brazilian composer.

  • @josephdiluzio6719
    @josephdiluzio6719 2 місяці тому

    Luigi Boccherini absolutely.
    Wonderful music including that stomping toe tapping guitar Quintet.
    And like the latter so many pieces inspired by his adopted Spain.
    Not to neglect his symphonies wonderful composer stupidly called by Anglo-Saxon critics "Haydn's sister !"

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  2 місяці тому

      Haydn's wife, no sister. As if it matters. And it didn't come from Anglo-Saxon critics. They were aping their European colleagues.

  • @egasfuentesfuentes7726
    @egasfuentesfuentes7726 2 роки тому

    Hello Mr. Hurwitz,
    What about Mieczyslaw Weinberg and Frank Martin? Can Ernesto Nazareth be considered a classical composer?

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  2 роки тому

      Weinberg I think is too dreary, Martin is wonderful but maybe a bit esoteric, and of course Nazareth can be considered "classical," whatever that means!

  • @jackhinkley6162
    @jackhinkley6162 2 роки тому +1

    To this illustrious list I would add the late George Walker.

    • @jppitman1
      @jppitman1 Рік тому

      I heard two of his symphonies by the NSO in the late spring. For some reason I found neither interesting and both rather grating, although I do understand the reason he wrote the last one.

  • @jgesselberty
    @jgesselberty Рік тому

    Love Casella. His 2nd Symphony is amazing.

  • @donkeychan491
    @donkeychan491 5 місяців тому

    Havergal Brian seems doomed to perennial neglect despite being one of the best symphonists ...ever. His music can be fairly complex and "elliptical", yet also has many great melodies. Wrote 32 symphonies and ironically two of his best were his massive and extraordinary Gothic symphony (his 1st) and his 32nd, written when he was 96. Others that I particularly like are 5, 8 and 10.

  • @bjornjagerlund3793
    @bjornjagerlund3793 2 роки тому +1

    We swedes are very bad in promoting our own composers. It seems that we think that there is no swedish composer that is worthy.
    There is a story about Sixten Ehrling. He was about to conduct one of Atterberg’s symphonies.
    -Why are you so nervous, Sixten?
    -The mucic is so bad. The audience will throw rotten tomatoes at me.
    -But you conducted this symphony ten years ago. I don’t remember that you were nervous then?
    -No, but Atterberg was in the audience. If they had thrown rotten tomatoes, surely they would’ve thrown them at him.
    This says a lot about what swedish conductors think about my favorite swedish composer.

  • @murrayaronson3753
    @murrayaronson3753 8 місяців тому

    LA Opera will be doing later in February a double bill of William Grant Still‘s Highway 1 USA and Zemlinsky‘s Der Zwerg. James Conlon is conducting. I will be seeing the two 1-act operas.

  • @stevemcclue5759
    @stevemcclue5759 2 роки тому +1

    Frankly anyone who doesn't like *A Grand, Grand Overture* deserves a kick up the backside and a custard pie in the face.

  • @herbchilds1512
    @herbchilds1512 2 роки тому

    Astor Piazzolla. Is he considered mainstream? Or ethnic fringe?

  • @RobertJonesWightpaint
    @RobertJonesWightpaint 9 місяців тому

    Robert Simpson, Ruth Gipps: my younger brother, a connoisseur of the under-appreciated, sent me Ruth Gipps' Chamber Music for Clarinet, as part of my Christmas present - I had never heard of her before, and was mightily impressed by the beauty of her sound - there are echos of Vaughan Williams, but she moves on from those to great effect. Robert Simpson is a composer who had also eluded me - championed Gipps, wrote his own music, rejected the steely chill of William Glock, who was the BBC's great "progressive" music aficionado who wouldn't admit anything else if he could help it.
    I suppose you could include Havergal Brian, whose work wasn't and still isn't much appreciated - he leaves me uneasy, there's so much of his music that has been recorded, but it's very rarely played; and in some cases I can see why. Still: I'd like YOUR opinion - to help either firm up or challenge mine.

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  9 місяців тому

      I appreciate the fact that you want my opinion, but I'm sorry to say that I don't find any of these composers as mainstream material. Gipps is competent, often lovely, but decidedly second-rate. Simpson wrote a couple of terrific symphonies but his music reeks of pedantry, while Brian will always be a curiosity (one I happen to love, but I try not to kid myself).

  • @stuartnorman8713
    @stuartnorman8713 8 місяців тому

    Another quirky American composer I love: Gene Gutche.

  • @daviddavenport9350
    @daviddavenport9350 3 місяці тому

    Might I suggest two that I have always thought are great composers....JC Bach and Gerald Finzi......

  • @charlienelson2001
    @charlienelson2001 Рік тому

    Here's my list...
    Richard Rodney Bennett (1936-2012)
    Eldon Rathburn (1916-2008)
    Eric Coates (1886-1957)
    Deems Taylor (1885-1966)
    Gerald Finzi (1901-1956)
    John Addison (1920-1998)
    Walter Scharf (1910-2003)
    Jerry Goldsmith (1929-2004)

  • @michaelmiller641
    @michaelmiller641 11 місяців тому

    It's funny how I come across pieces of music by composers I've never heard of, or nobody's ever heard of, and I wonder why they're not better known. the latest being "Philomela" a piano piece by Dorothy Pilling, introduced to me by my piano teacher, a grade 5 abrsm piano piece. who she?

    • @fabiopaolobarbieri2286
      @fabiopaolobarbieri2286 2 місяці тому +1

      You remind me of something that happened long ago. In elementary school, in Milan, we children sang a beautiful choral piece called the Ave Maria by Pachner. The text was not the classic Catholic prayer, but a few lines from a memorable poem by the Italian poet Giosué Carducci. It was an exquisite piece, which I remembered all my life. Years ago I started looking for it, but I could not remember the name of the composer. Eventually, by pure luck, I came upon what seems to be the only recording on the internet - which is so incredibly badly played it sounds like PDQ Bach without the fun. There I got the name - but the only Pochner I could find was a recent German composer mostly dedicated to didactic music. And then, again by chance, I found that a music school master of that name, an Italian with a German name, was active in Turin at the end of the nineteenth century, contemporary with Carducci. And it still is a beautiful piece.

  • @fred6904
    @fred6904 2 роки тому

    Hello Dave!
    I have a question.
    Who is Sweden's national composer?
    I live in Sweden, but I can not answer the question. Maybe you can?
    Best wishes Fred.

    • @chrisward9422
      @chrisward9422 2 роки тому +1

      i guess hilding rosenberg?

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  2 роки тому +3

      I always thought Alfven for his shorter, folk-like works, but I wouldn't swear by it.

    • @fred6904
      @fred6904 2 роки тому

      @@DavesClassicalGuide Thank you very much for answering. I would now like to ask you to consider to make a talk about recordings of Alfvén's music.
      Best wishes Fred.

    • @hansgjerstad8895
      @hansgjerstad8895 2 роки тому +1

      @@DavesClassicalGuide that's true, but nowadays he's mostly forgotten of course, our country never produced a major composer like our neighbors, alas.

    • @shostakovich343
      @shostakovich343 2 роки тому +3

      I would say Wilhelm Stenhammar, who wrote a couple of masterpieces: Symphony No. 2, the Serenade, Midvinter, and some of his songs. Whether that's enough, I do not know, but I think it gains him first place.

  • @KrisKeyes
    @KrisKeyes Рік тому

    Jan Ladislav Dussek should also be in this list.

  • @thomasvendetti3742
    @thomasvendetti3742 2 роки тому

    I would add Irving Fine.

  • @davidaltschuler9687
    @davidaltschuler9687 2 роки тому

    While not on the subject, have you considered why there are almost no female readers or comments from women on this forum? The editor of Fanfare emailed me confirming this phenomenon among his readers. Now, there is no shortage of female performers so they love and get the genre, but CD collecting (and perhaps collecting of almost anything except shoes) there is hardly a sign.

    • @robinraianiemi4030
      @robinraianiemi4030 8 місяців тому

      I know, I know.
      I’m a female classical music geek, and NONE of my female friends “get it”. I can spend hours and hours going through used classical music in stores, and browsing online.

  • @abdul7591
    @abdul7591 2 роки тому

    Dave, thanks for this video, and kudos for promoting Casella. A propos the Italians, do have any thoughts about Malipiero and Ildebrando Pizzetti?

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  2 роки тому

      I have made videos about both, I think, and you can find reviews at ClassicsToday.com.

  • @herbchilds1512
    @herbchilds1512 2 роки тому

    Ernst von Dohnanyi. Mainstream perhaps, but hardly known in the U.S. Forget his "nursery song"
    variations, there's much better to be heard, including his orchestral Suite in F sharp minor, the Veil
    of Pierrette, and his Concertino for harp and chamber orchestra.

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  2 роки тому

      I think he's pretty well known here. I've seen quite a few performances of his works, and not just the Nursery Variations. Leonard Slatkin, for example, championed the Suite, recorded it, and played it here in New York. Sure, he's not popular, but then he was a patchy composer. I also don't think there's any need to disparage the "Nursery Song" Variations, which is a masterpiece.

  • @luisramondecaso2913
    @luisramondecaso2913 2 роки тому

    Silvestre Revueltas despite the fact he only lived to be 40.

  • @MrInterestingthings
    @MrInterestingthings 2 роки тому

    WilliamG.Still deserves more programming . The vn concerto and the Sonata rarely are heard.Arnold has gotten a lotta attention.Santos i never heard of Lajtha , Gillis,Kalliwoda are names unfamiliar to me. Alkan gets too much attention for his worth he's no more interesting than Thalberg whose preludes are much better than all that cpaptrap opera fantasy stop. Casella I''ve looked up on youtube and haven't found much of interest.Te B'A-C-H- thing is always worth playing .Atterberg Ive seen on outube his awful piano concerto.I will seek more work from him.Whois Kalliwoda gonna look up his 7 Symphonies bunch of concert Overtures .Must be something if you mention.I will start with his 5th Symphony !Schumann admiration means a lot . Don Gillis sounds American ! Must find him. Ter's an Australian wonam whose violin con. is as fine as Barber's if you like melodious well orchestrated not desolate like so many 20th century. Schulhofff is famous because of the increasing attention on banned composers . I see his name often haven't heard that Cantata know about his jazz. Will look up his Symphonies. Schulhoff piano concerto ! Okay so glad you recommended the 1st symphony. Koechlin's orchestration book I own and lots of his music is fine!

  • @tomasfagerberg6323
    @tomasfagerberg6323 2 роки тому

    Franz Berwald?

  • @fred6904
    @fred6904 Рік тому +1

    Is Martinů mainstream? If not he got to be.

  • @paulbrower4265
    @paulbrower4265 2 роки тому

    CPE Bach is mainstream, so I would replace him with Florence Price. 'Addenda: Robert Simpson, Vassily Kallinnikov, Bernhard Crusell, Carlos Chavez.

    • @DavesClassicalGuide
      @DavesClassicalGuide  2 роки тому +3

      You can't be mainstream if the vast majority of your music wasn't published in modern editions until a few years ago!