@@botanamahlaba7252 Use your common sense wena, the reason I have fears is cause 1. he has been found guilty of having made witnesses lie under oath before in a previous case so he cannot be trusted, 2ndly his team has been displaying incompetence throughout this whole case so we are bound to have fears. What you are telling me right now is a known, known Dumb*ss
@@botanamahlaba7252 We are bound to have fears because those two have shown incompetence throughout this whole case, they have broken so many rules wakwa forensics already like keeping a gun overnight in one's place and working on evidence that was in an open bag. Secondly Gininda is not a very trustworthy person he was once found to have tortured a witness to confess in a previous case. My whole premise is based on that and obviously people with half a brain understood why I said what I said.
1. They confessed= bathi bashayiwe 2. They don't know each other= bayakhulma on their phone also remember who's calling who the time bepheka ukuyobulala kwi confession. 3. There is. A communication between one of ababulali and Kelly Khumalo why? One of Kelly's numbers used as reference by one of the suspects 4. One or two of the suspect they were not in jbg = but they did the license in jozi also they phones were around the crime 5. Ntanzi had the phone with him communicating with other accused also his girl ftind Guess what all of this kuphemiwe Lowyers they don't approved anything except yonke lento iphekiwe. Amen
do you see Kelly Khumalo in dock box? Why she's not amongst men as per confession?? Why they "ppl in the house" lied to the police when another innocent boy with dreadlocks was arrested and released?? Why Kelly Khumalo made swing swop of senzo's phone number?? Why she lied about her cellphone being taken by intruders?? Why Mthokozizi said intruders sounds more like zulusotho, hence five accused were born and breaded in KwaZulu-Natal?? Why Kelly Khumalo called chicco not the police or ambulance???
I'm going through your 5 point list and fail to notice which of them is a crime... if there is, am wondering when are they going to be charged for perjury 😊
If at this stage of the case this is how you think and believe.. there is no hope for you.. there is nothing difficult in this case.. ie if these accused are really guilty of killing Senzo.. it wud have been easy for Baloyi to convince the court and the public.. remember he had Zungu as a witness who claimed to have been at the hostel with all the accused on the night of the incident? And the many other witnesses that Baloyi has called.. why then is it difficult to get a conviction..? The cooking is not coming together.. those 5 guys may be guilty of other things but not for killing Senzo..Longwe killed Senzo
NY VIEW IS THAT MSHOLOLO IS THE WEAKEST OF THE LAWYERS IN THIS CASE. I DO ENJOY MR. MLISI, IF I AM WRITING CORRECT THE NAME, AS HE IS CALM AND ALWAYS RESPECTFUL. HE EVEN SMILES REGULARLY.
Adv MaMshololo put enormous effort to this trial, there's nothing to be hurry at; without sourcing and analysing her defense well. One should remember that she's representing a person who his life depends on her diplomacy and intelligence, therefore she has to be very certain on her approach. Phambili MaMshololo uyimbhokodo
@@thefairobserver97 Court "judge" his bias and his even more personal towards her. Can't you see he doesn't even wait for a witness to answer some questions he "himself" answered the questions and put words in the witness mouth. Same judge commented about "i don't want the accused (in an appeal) to say that judge, didn't give my representative opportunity blah blah....... Now i ask you how does he know that the accused will be convicted and sentenced??? Because the case is far from the end. Maybe you just began recently to watch this trial, is not about protecting her coz Advocate Mngomezulu experience same treatment as her from the judge.
My suggestion is that let the Senzo's family cancel this case until the state brings along the right people,right judge,right State representative who will do justice to his family,or else they'll be pained by this monsters Ratha and Baloi every minute these court sits because to listen to this case is irritating and benumbs the nerves.
Pinkie was just trying to sound sophisticated. She could have just said an account is setup on NIMO where a user is issued a username and password, then they request info and upload supporting subpoena docs. Once subpoena is approved, her team is the one that gives the user a PDF file of the requested data. Not all that junk she said which sounded like once a user sets up an account they give them access to the raw data.
Mshololo is a drama queen she is not at court again today 25th of July wasting time for proceedings to go forward lets hope she will be available tomorrow just delaying tactics for Pinky to finish his testimony
She must come tomorrow and finish her side so netxweek monday we move forward for next state witness it such annoying after a whole month adjourment she does not care about her client and Meyiwa family she is so selfish
what do you think of a. In house witnesses saw a gun with a wheel shooting senzo, " a revolver gun" b. CID Mosia didn't find any bullet shells "cartridges" of course revolver doesn't ejected cartridges " c. CID left the crime scene, and he was called back by his seniors, who were already at the scene; and he was shown were to take pictures, d. Walaaa there laying cartridges and bullets head, e. Breamer hat was alleged to belongs to one accused, but DNA proved different"it was belongs to a female also had DNA of a male person " not any of accused, f. Hoodie jacket, gold teeth and dreadlocks all that failed to corroborate and proved a possibility that accused might have been part of commission of the offence as alleged.
Firstly the accused denied knowing one another,one said he was not in jo'burg during the commission of crime but it is discovered that he was around and he even went for his driver's licence in jo'burg. They communicated with kelly is all this a co incident?
@@kingphoka-uf5tkwait for actual evidence to be presented the facts not this thing of speculation but now I believe you both agree the accused were on the house
Ratha is rude to the independent expert and Ratha is putting this man's life in danger for asking him to say he's a address on live TV. Bt to the witnesses of the state he cover for their identity and personal address and information, that say alot about Ratha in this case
Ekaze docket 375 will be there or not chances very slim judge has already taken decesion to sentence the accussed thats my opinion lecase ixophela by end of the year 😢😮
Wake up SA!!!! Time to act has come and its now, why we waiting the end od this nonsense case to go to the end hence we know very this judge is done with this case. 2 to 3 months are go he said judge President is not happy the way this case is taking long. Meaning defence is wasting time they are the one who delay this case
This jugie is the one who allows lies in his court which means.now l see that.Jugie Fakazile and his crew are not Zulu here the case is about Zulu nation against Tshonga and Sotho thus y Fakazile want to betray these Zulu boys
i will say that gun, is not belong to him÷ a. No statement from security guard who was disarmed, b. Gun was long confiscated from accused, c. Senzo was shot by revolver not a pistol.
Pinky doesn't own vodacom, she is an employee and some of us think she is telling lies, no she can't risk her job just for criminals who go around killing innocent people. Phofu according to nina eni supporta these criminals kule case uya cooker I fail to understand ukuthi what kind of evidence eniyifunayo, big up my Jugde, Mr George Baloyi what a soul shame ❤
Ngililamdela kahle the only person who denied being in Gauteng is Sibiya not Ntanzi. There is no evidence that puts Ntanzi in Vosloo at the time of the murder up to now. The only person who is not watching or who is having issues understanding here is you.
The fact that Gininda and Mangena had the gun all along does not seat well with me.
😢😢😢😢 scary hey
Who must keep it? Is Gininda not an investigating officer?
Keep it for what? What are the processes to follow?@@botanamahlaba7252
@@botanamahlaba7252 Use your common sense wena, the reason I have fears is cause 1. he has been found guilty of having made witnesses lie under oath before in a previous case so he cannot be trusted, 2ndly his team has been displaying incompetence throughout this whole case so we are bound to have fears. What you are telling me right now is a known, known Dumb*ss
@@botanamahlaba7252 We are bound to have fears because those two have shown incompetence throughout this whole case, they have broken so many rules wakwa forensics already like keeping a gun overnight in one's place and working on evidence that was in an open bag. Secondly Gininda is not a very trustworthy person he was once found to have tortured a witness to confess in a previous case. My whole premise is based on that and obviously people with half a brain understood why I said what I said.
😢😢😢Baloyii is scared now i can feel him this time they is no door to escape baba thats the wrong gun brother you know the story 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
True
They are not serious about this case..It will go on till dooms day.....money money ....and money....
Guys I think the problem here people they don't listen this case some of them they hate this suspect that's why they don't follow the case
1. They confessed= bathi bashayiwe
2. They don't know each other= bayakhulma on their phone also remember who's calling who the time bepheka ukuyobulala kwi confession.
3. There is. A communication between one of ababulali and Kelly Khumalo why? One of Kelly's numbers used as reference by one of the suspects
4. One or two of the suspect they were not in jbg = but they did the license in jozi also they phones were around the crime
5. Ntanzi had the phone with him communicating with other accused also his girl ftind
Guess what all of this kuphemiwe
Lowyers they don't approved anything except yonke lento iphekiwe. Amen
do you see Kelly Khumalo in dock box? Why she's not amongst men as per confession?? Why they "ppl in the house" lied to the police when another innocent boy with dreadlocks was arrested and released?? Why Kelly Khumalo made swing swop of senzo's phone number?? Why she lied about her cellphone being taken by intruders?? Why Mthokozizi said intruders sounds more like zulusotho, hence five accused were born and breaded in KwaZulu-Natal?? Why Kelly Khumalo called chicco not the police or ambulance???
I'm going through your 5 point list and fail to notice which of them is a crime... if there is, am wondering when are they going to be charged for perjury 😊
If at this stage of the case this is how you think and believe.. there is no hope for you.. there is nothing difficult in this case.. ie if these accused are really guilty of killing Senzo.. it wud have been easy for Baloyi to convince the court and the public.. remember he had Zungu as a witness who claimed to have been at the hostel with all the accused on the night of the incident? And the many other witnesses that Baloyi has called.. why then is it difficult to get a conviction..? The cooking is not coming together.. those 5 guys may be guilty of other things but not for killing Senzo..Longwe killed Senzo
@@smangelemnisi8961🎉🎉🎉🍾👌
@@smangelemnisi8961on point ❤❤❤
I wonder what language is that interpreter speaking and where exactly in this country is he coming from
What a terrible interpretation
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I dnt knw where dd thy gt hm
I think he speak isiNdebele
@@sthukutha no ways isindebele from SA never unless isindebele from Zimbabwe
2:08:33 I knew it ngeke iphele lecase without you guys mentioning Zimbabwe 😂😂.
Muti for real mercy Lord Jesus Christ
This nonsense must stop it aint funny,why isnt jp concerned ba kgatlhega kante aggg👎🏿🚮
This sbanda has mnangagwa's tendency of twisting things
Tell us ehst he twisted
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Gininda is the lead investigator in Senzo Meyiwa, s murder case
He got paid by the killers, he's selfish
Poisonous gas in the court room causing headaches and nausea. Lord save the defence
Let's pray more to nullify umuti in this case
To be conducted on the 29th of July results back by the 2nd of September 😢😮
Mshololo likes a lot of adjournments wasting time see you tomorrow guys 😢😮
NY VIEW IS THAT MSHOLOLO IS THE WEAKEST OF THE LAWYERS IN THIS CASE. I DO ENJOY MR. MLISI, IF I AM WRITING CORRECT THE NAME, AS HE IS CALM AND ALWAYS RESPECTFUL. HE EVEN SMILES REGULARLY.
100% correct 😅
Adv MaMshololo put enormous effort to this trial, there's nothing to be hurry at; without sourcing and analysing her defense well. One should remember that she's representing a person who his life depends on her diplomacy and intelligence, therefore she has to be very certain on her approach. Phambili MaMshololo uyimbhokodo
@@kingphoka-uf5tk WE ARE SEEIND EVERYTHING DIFFERENT AND EVEN THE JUDGE HAD TO TEACH HER SOME LESSONS THROUGHT THIS TRIAL. DON'T DEFEND HER, PLEASE.
@@thefairobserver97
Court "judge" his bias and his even more personal towards her. Can't you see he doesn't even wait for a witness to answer some questions he "himself" answered the questions and put words in the witness mouth. Same judge commented about "i don't want the accused (in an appeal) to say that judge, didn't give my representative opportunity blah blah....... Now i ask you how does he know that the accused will be convicted and sentenced??? Because the case is far from the end. Maybe you just began recently to watch this trial, is not about protecting her coz Advocate Mngomezulu experience same treatment as her from the judge.
My suggestion is that let the Senzo's family cancel this case until the state brings along the right people,right judge,right State representative who will do justice to his family,or else they'll be pained by this monsters Ratha and Baloi every minute these court sits because to listen to this case is irritating and benumbs the nerves.
uAdv Mnisi uyavumelana no Zungu ke manje, the truth shall prevail eventually
U are probably watching or listening to your won senzo meyiwa case😮what Zunga and what Mnisi is saying do not match 🤔
Pinkie was just trying to sound sophisticated. She could have just said an account is setup on NIMO where a user is issued a username and password, then they request info and upload supporting subpoena docs. Once subpoena is approved, her team is the one that gives the user a PDF file of the requested data. Not all that junk she said which sounded like once a user sets up an account they give them access to the raw data.
Mshololo is busy cooking other cases somewhere 😅
Mshololo is a drama queen she is not at court again today 25th of July wasting time for proceedings to go forward lets hope she will be available tomorrow just delaying tactics for Pinky to finish his testimony
Ooh my dad, this interpreter comes from maDlamini, I can smell umqhombothi when he speaks 😂😂😂
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His voice, beared + the 3L 🪣= uphi umq.... 😅
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She must come tomorrow and finish her side so netxweek monday we move forward for next state witness it such annoying after a whole month adjourment she does not care about her client and Meyiwa family she is so selfish
In which side of the country does mr interpreter comes from😮😮😮
Think Mpumalanga kwa Ndrebele
They cross examine pink and Fakazile Answer wy?
When are they coming back
Tomorrow
This defence lawyers are lazy to them everything in this case is cooked haaaai man
what do you think of
a. In house witnesses saw a gun with a wheel shooting senzo, " a revolver gun"
b. CID Mosia didn't find any bullet shells "cartridges" of course revolver doesn't ejected cartridges "
c. CID left the crime scene, and he was called back by his seniors, who were already at the scene; and he was shown were to take pictures,
d. Walaaa there laying cartridges and bullets head,
e. Breamer hat was alleged to belongs to one accused, but DNA proved different"it was belongs to a female also had DNA of a male person " not any of accused,
f. Hoodie jacket, gold teeth and dreadlocks all that failed to corroborate and proved a possibility that accused might have been part of commission of the offence as alleged.
Firstly the accused denied knowing one another,one said he was not in jo'burg during the commission of crime but it is discovered that he was around and he even went for his driver's licence in jo'burg. They communicated with kelly is all this a co incident?
@@kingphoka-uf5tkwait for actual evidence to be presented the facts not this thing of speculation but now I believe you both agree the accused were on the house
Kwazekwanzima #justice for Senzo and the accussed
Baloyi was busy cooking with Gininda Mangena and defence expect about this 9mm firearm kusazoshuba shwele nkosi 😢😮
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No way... You'll be shocked trust me..lets just wait for the process...
Hai this case yi ntsumantsumane in Xhosa but the killer know s who killed Senzo kodwa uTixo uyathetha ngoku
Poswa untanzi ushilo kwiconfesing statement ukuthi yena nabangani bakhe babulala umdlali webhola. Nenyanga abaya kuyo yachaza yonkinto. Laba ibo ngqo ababulala uSenzo. Usazozwa wena namafoni abo nge 26 October 2014 tower ithi babesefosrolus
Simphiwe... Sengathi kungenzeka kuwe noma kumfowenu okwavelela uNtanzi..
Cha unonya muntu wabantu ocindezela u Ntanzi
Nkulunkulu ukhona kodw ngeke kuphethe kungaziwa kuth ubani umbulali ka senzo,,,,,
Simphiwe is hond se gat
Simphiwe mfethu uqinisile ibona vele ababulali baka Senzo lelicala sililandele from the beginning don't worry the evidence is there
Mangena vs langenberg soon will hear the outcome😮
Everything comes to an end
Laze langidina nali ijaji
Ekaze who is the next state witness cause Pinky will finish by friday
Lol guys ubufakazi bephoyisa elathi babesehostel that day buyavela kumnisi cooked
something is not make sure about the version for the accused,it keeps changing 🤔
judiciary of South Africa is about money ,this case took long because the state is buyer's but they are q
Interpreter udla ugavini
Is this live
Ratha is rude to the independent expert and Ratha is putting this man's life in danger for asking him to say he's a address on live TV. Bt to the witnesses of the state he cover for their identity and personal address and information, that say alot about Ratha in this case
Guys this is a waste of time just drop this case now it's clear you have failed the family more than 5years in 1 case nah
When the lead actor speaks to the state or Pinky his all clear BUT the defense he goes berserk 😊
Ratha must willdraw in this case he's so buyers buy Chicco twala and top high profile of states
Baloyi is back with Gininda and Mangena with defence balistic expect for the alleged firearm kusazoshuba
Bathi abasolwa abazani baqala ukubonana enkantolo. Kodwa manje uMnisi uthi babebonke ekhumbini bebuya ukuyovakasha Vosloorus
Ekaze docket 375 will be there or not chances very slim judge has already taken decesion to sentence the accussed thats my opinion lecase ixophela by end of the year 😢😮
Mnisi is second at acting after the lead actor R I thought Mgo was second the lady of the house this show is tirering
3 months listing to numbers is this not a murder case
Poswa okwesbili yini bathi abazani. Okwesthathu untanzi wasuka erastinburg waya efosrolus kwafa umuntu
Ntanzi akaze Sizwe kuthiwa waya Vosloorus, no evidence pointing to that has been presented sikuqala ngawe.
Kodw ke ubani owabulala u senzo kuth abazani bayazana who killed senzo,, sifuna kuvele kufakazi, bombulali qha
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Very true
These guys are busy wasting the court time, some of them told the court that were not in Johannesburg,
@@vusikhumalo9507and all of this tower thing is to prove they were in Jozi that's is for Lowyers is to prove that they were not there
Jonas is back
Umnisi guys proved that accused 3 4 and 5 they were together ngosuku lokubulawa kwasenzo😢
Where was 1 and 2
I think babeshilo kwi confession yabo ukuthi bona balandwa late futhi babazi oyedwa lo babe khuluma naye okuwuyena owabatshela ukuthi kunomsebenzi abazowsnza😊
Wake up SA!!!! Time to act has come and its now, why we waiting the end od this nonsense case to go to the end hence we know very this judge is done with this case.
2 to 3 months are go he said judge President is not happy the way this case is taking long. Meaning defence is wasting time they are the one who delay this case
Let me tell you guy's ku 💯 percent yamakhaya omhlaba onke ungatholà kule 0.0.1 percent umuzi onganaso isigebengu njalo lingakhohlwa la kusemhlabeni akekho noyedwa olungile ngokunjalo futhi baningi abantu abagcwele emajele bengazi lutho kodwa bezithola sebegwetshiwe especially amacala la ahlangene labomama lezingani baya planter ngenzondo ngemva kweminyaka eminingi sebedliwa yimzwangedwa yamanga abo babuye be confess umuntu sehlale iminyaka ejele
This jugie is the one who allows lies in his court which means.now l see that.Jugie Fakazile and his crew are not Zulu here the case is about Zulu nation against Tshonga and Sotho thus y Fakazile want to betray these Zulu boys
ukhulum amasimba,uzama ukusiqhathanisa,futsek lwabish
@AmusedAnteater-um7rw keep quite if you have to say
Looool
Rather Ratha chill
Haai this is boring shame
This is accussed no 3 gun mayebabo Mncube shwele nkosi 😢😮
i will say that gun, is not belong to him÷
a. No statement from security guard who was disarmed,
b. Gun was long confiscated from accused,
c. Senzo was shot by revolver not a pistol.
@@kingphoka-uf5tkppl in the house saw revolver when the criminals came in we don't know which gun short him so wait for the evidence
Pinky doesn't own vodacom, she is an employee and some of us think she is telling lies, no she can't risk her job just for criminals who go around killing innocent people. Phofu according to nina eni supporta these criminals kule case uya cooker I fail to understand ukuthi what kind of evidence eniyifunayo, big up my Jugde, Mr George Baloyi what a soul shame ❤
Soul yoku nuka tsek
Mile kwihi
Hi kwala
These Advocates wasting, some the trying to advertising themselves in this juncture, thier aims is twisting witness
Not to prove their innocent
Biased judge this case is a mess
Pdf can be edited, Pinky awkaz. Ehlathib
True
Absolutely!!!
2:15:42 what did Mnisi do here??😂😂😂
😂😂😂 how did he know Ratha that ke Muthi
Vodacom university ? there is nothing such.
Your knowledge is very limited. It’s based in Reading, United Kingdom.
I searched for it I cant find it anywhere
Advocate Mnisi is a Comedian, the towers explained about the movement of Msolwa 3, Advocate Mnisi try to ignore the towers information
How?
?? How🤔
Sindiswa kushuthi awulilaleli lelicala
Ngililamdela kahle the only person who denied being in Gauteng is Sibiya not Ntanzi. There is no evidence that puts Ntanzi in Vosloo at the time of the murder up to now. The only person who is not watching or who is having issues understanding here is you.
Yini amanombolo 😂😂😂😂😂tolika no man😅
Can you please change your interpreter. No... No... Guys
Interpreter is lazy 😂
Mangena vs langenberg soon will hear
This judge 😂
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Hulle vat gat!!!!!