The MSS (not ecwcs) didn’t exist in the Vietnam era. Woodland camouflage pattern wasn’t adopted by the military until the early 80s, around 10 years after the end of the Vietnam war. The woodland version of the MSS was in production until the early 2000s. Other than those nail biters, this was a good and informative review on a cool piece of military surplus.
I usually use the intermediate bag down to zero degrees comfortably. I hammock camp most of the year definitely need an under quilt or sleeping pad to keep air from coming through the hammock
It's the mss sleep system. This is not part of the ecwcs however the ratings I believe are achieved in conjunction with the first 3 layers of ecwcs. Also those low temp rating include the self inflating sleep pad. Also I am pretty sure you are clueless when you are saying the woodland camo is Vietnam era lol. I think you got a fake one. The woodland camo is legit and I believe the only color other than acu it ever was deployed in. The acu one is considered and called the improved mss by some at least. I have never seen documentation of the difference other than I believe I saw the acu as -40
Great video. Question: do you happen to know whether or not the intermediate bag will fit into the smaller stuff sack and what the size of the smaller stuff sack is? I managed to get just the intermediate bag but have no stuff sack for it, and am trying to figure out the correct size stuff sack to use for it. Thanks for any info you can provide!
I wasn’t sure, so I did a little googling. The small stuff sack dimension appears to be 19”x10”. I would attach a screen shot if I could, but that’s why one source says. I finally sold mine, so I no longer have it to verify that personally. Thank you for watching and commenting! Check out my podcast Wayward Stories here in my channel or on any podcast player for lots of good info on out door related things!
@@WaywardStories Thanks for the reply and I appreciate you taking the time to dig around for an answer. I'll definitely dig into your other Wayward Stories.
Well, your question sent me down a rabbit hole It was always explained to me as a part of the system. This by my in laws who were active military at the time. But researching it it appears it may technically not be, being called the MSS (modular sleep system)…but intended to be used in conjunction with ECWCS clothing. For example…the lowest stated extreme temperatures are considering you, in the bottom two base thermal layers inside the bag. So while it’s not technically, I can see why it was considered and expressed to me in that way. Meant to work together is an easy step to just considering them a part of the same system. I’m glad you said something though…I learned something new today lol Thanks for watching!
It’s been my understanding, and I may be mistaken, that this sleep system is designed to store in the bottom compartment of the large rucksack; however, by the size that was demonstrated here, I am not too sure it would fit in that spot. Does anyone know for sure about that?
Your understanding is correct. And I did have one of the rucks for a time. It will fit, but it’s a trick to get it in. Compress the hell out of it, and then just force it. It absolutely will go, but it’s not super easy.
Lol ! In the Vietnam era , they had NO sleeping system genius ..... They were using their poncho + woobie . Second , the woodland version was the best one ( sturdier and larger ) .
You must have many friends who truly enjoy your pleasant disposition And that’s so weird you say that since you can literally google Vietnam era sleep system/bag and get results for bags to buy and information on what the army issued for sleep bags and covers
@WaywardStories You shouldn't rely on Google for such information and speak to real veterans . But since you've started here 's what Google has to answer to the question " Were Vietnam's era soldiers issued sleeping bag during their service ? " and the answer is " " No sleeping bag or blanket . They would be heavy to carry in the humid , wet environment .And if it rained and soaked totally useless . We carried ponchos which served well . " .
You have know idea what you are talking about. I’ve slept in this system in 0 degree weather with wind with just my boxers and long sleeve flannel shirt and slept 8-9 hours while being warm and comfortable. They even teach you in basic training to sleep in less cloths as possible to keep from sweating. Hopefully you didn’t make any money from this review because you didn’t say one thing that was true the whole video except the price for the system.
That’s so weird, because I’ve slept in it for over 8 years and everything I said is exactly my experience. Every single word is true, from having done it dozens of times a year in all different weather conditions…in *my* actual, real-life, happened-to-me experience. It was my active duty brother in Law who originally explained these things to me. So I don’t know what to tell you there. Also it’s explained that way in the field manual. No, I don’t make any money off of any of my reviews…because I make them for sharing information and experience with all my fellow outdoors-folks. Some people just like to be helpful. Nobody actually makes money off of UA-cam…it’s a pittance. They make money off of getting famous on UA-cam and then selling merch or getting sponsorships. I do appreciate your thoroughly spell-checked input…I’ve taken your experience with the system into my knowledge-base and logged it. I find that, in general, most humans are different and often have differing experiences with most things in life. Now I have an extra asterisk I can add when talking to people about this particular system. Thanks for watching and commenting! That’s actually single best way to help my channel. It affects the algorithm significantly in my favor.
The MSS (not ecwcs) didn’t exist in the Vietnam era. Woodland camouflage pattern wasn’t adopted by the military until the early 80s, around 10 years after the end of the Vietnam war.
The woodland version of the MSS was in production until the early 2000s.
Other than those nail biters, this was a good and informative review on a cool piece of military surplus.
the intermediate and bivy kept me warm at -14° F in Korea I slept all night. I had on a bunch of warming layers though!
You’re incorrect as to which bag goes in which. The intermediate bag goes inside the patrol bag. Just fyi. 😊
Thanks for that. That’s new info on me. I’ll have to give it a shot. Thanks for watching and commenting!
That’s correct, intermediate goes in the patrol
It does? All this time I've done the opposite.
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The best review of the MSS on the internet
I was wondering when we got into the fun part 😂
hammock camp a lot. I have shoved my top quilt inside the cold weather bag. With all 3 bags together and the bivy I slept comfy in 3 degree weather.
I usually use the intermediate bag down to zero degrees comfortably. I hammock camp most of the year definitely need an under quilt or sleeping pad to keep air from coming through the hammock
Thanks for your down to earth info and honesty! Much appreciated.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Super dope review.
Very informative 👏 Thanks.
The bivy is a lifesaver
It's the mss sleep system. This is not part of the ecwcs however the ratings I believe are achieved in conjunction with the first 3 layers of ecwcs. Also those low temp rating include the self inflating sleep pad. Also I am pretty sure you are clueless when you are saying the woodland camo is Vietnam era lol. I think you got a fake one. The woodland camo is legit and I believe the only color other than acu it ever was deployed in. The acu one is considered and called the improved mss by some at least. I have never seen documentation of the difference other than I believe I saw the acu as -40
I’m pretty sure you are too kind, thanks for stopping by! 😁
Great video. Question: do you happen to know whether or not the intermediate bag will fit into the smaller stuff sack and what the size of the smaller stuff sack is? I managed to get just the intermediate bag but have no stuff sack for it, and am trying to figure out the correct size stuff sack to use for it. Thanks for any info you can provide!
I wasn’t sure, so I did a little googling. The small stuff sack dimension appears to be 19”x10”. I would attach a screen shot if I could, but that’s why one source says. I finally sold mine, so I no longer have it to verify that personally.
Thank you for watching and commenting! Check out my podcast Wayward Stories here in my channel or on any podcast player for lots of good info on out door related things!
@@WaywardStories Thanks for the reply and I appreciate you taking the time to dig around for an answer. I'll definitely dig into your other Wayward Stories.
Wait the sleeping bag is part of the ecwcs system?
Well, your question sent me down a rabbit hole
It was always explained to me as a part of the system. This by my in laws who were active military at the time.
But researching it it appears it may technically not be, being called the MSS (modular sleep system)…but intended to be used in conjunction with ECWCS clothing. For example…the lowest stated extreme temperatures are considering you, in the bottom two base thermal layers inside the bag.
So while it’s not technically, I can see why it was considered and expressed to me in that way. Meant to work together is an easy step to just considering them a part of the same system.
I’m glad you said something though…I learned something new today lol
Thanks for watching!
Nice review
It’s been my understanding, and I may be mistaken, that this sleep system is designed to store in the bottom compartment of the large rucksack; however, by the size that was demonstrated here, I am not too sure it would fit in that spot. Does anyone know for sure about that?
Your understanding is correct. And I did have one of the rucks for a time. It will fit, but it’s a trick to get it in. Compress the hell out of it, and then just force it. It absolutely will go, but it’s not super easy.
We did that in basic, but usually just stuffed the bag inside the compartment
Lol ! In the Vietnam era , they had NO sleeping system genius ..... They were using their poncho + woobie . Second , the woodland version was the best one ( sturdier and larger ) .
You must have many friends who truly enjoy your pleasant disposition
And that’s so weird you say that since you can literally google Vietnam era sleep system/bag and get results for bags to buy and information on what the army issued for sleep bags and covers
@WaywardStories You shouldn't rely on Google for such information and speak to real veterans . But since you've started here 's what Google has to answer to the question " Were Vietnam's era soldiers issued sleeping bag during their service ? " and the answer is " " No sleeping bag or blanket . They would be heavy to carry in the humid , wet environment .And if it rained and soaked totally useless . We carried ponchos which served well . " .
Interesting as i used the old gen in badic and it was fine
Where did you purchase your system from ?
If memory serves it was Storm Seeker Military Surplus. I got it online and I think he’s out in South Carolina.
Gen 1 was not a Vietnam bag,
You have know idea what you are talking about. I’ve slept in this system in 0 degree weather with wind with just my boxers and long sleeve flannel shirt and slept 8-9 hours while being warm and comfortable. They even teach you in basic training to sleep in less cloths as possible to keep from sweating. Hopefully you didn’t make any money from this review because you didn’t say one thing that was true the whole video except the price for the system.
That’s so weird, because I’ve slept in it for over 8 years and everything I said is exactly my experience.
Every single word is true, from having done it dozens of times a year in all different weather conditions…in *my* actual, real-life, happened-to-me experience.
It was my active duty brother in Law who originally explained these things to me. So I don’t know what to tell you there. Also it’s explained that way in the field manual.
No, I don’t make any money off of any of my reviews…because I make them for sharing information and experience with all my fellow outdoors-folks. Some people just like to be helpful.
Nobody actually makes money off of UA-cam…it’s a pittance. They make money off of getting famous on UA-cam and then selling merch or getting sponsorships.
I do appreciate your thoroughly spell-checked input…I’ve taken your experience with the system into my knowledge-base and logged it. I find that, in general, most humans are different and often have differing experiences with most things in life. Now I have an extra asterisk I can add when talking to people about this particular system.
Thanks for watching and commenting! That’s actually single best way to help my channel. It affects the algorithm significantly in my favor.
About 500$ to 600$ now adays
😳😳😳damnnnn
300 according to my friends cif list
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I'd pay 300 for this if it was legit and in new or very good condition. If you come across a link maybe you can share it...
Extended.....not extreme
Good catch. My brain misfires regularly 😂
Do some service and get one for free 💪💪💪
Thats why you need the bivy