You cannot compare different eras. Ken was the most dominant player. He was a trailblazer and he created every skill that he had. The players today have many videos of players to watch and learn from. They also have totally different discs. The discs back then did not have speed ratings. I remember when the Viper came out. We could not believe how stable it was! It only has a speed rating of 6 now. I played doubles against Ken in 1991 in Augusta. I was not in his league it was just random draw. Ken was a nice guy and an incredible player.
Couldn't agree more. People are getting introduced at a younger age, have more free training available, and better technology. I have only played for 3 years now, but I understand that newer players like myself stand on the shoulders of giants like Climo, Shultz, Stokely and company.
As a new player, I appreciate your comment & perspective. Disc golf is truly one of the greatest games in the world, and I don’t think I’ll ever give it up.
@@tophat974 I have played since 1990. I played consistently for about 5 years. After that on and off. I do not think I will ever give it up either. It is a great sport and it has changed so much. Discs are flying way farther now due to the discs and better technique. Younger players have the advantage of seeing so much video on other players.
"I didn't lose, I got beat" I just love that line. He knows he played well but his opponent just played better and he gave it the recognition it deserved.
I once asked him if he could fix my putt and he got so mad when he saw my form that he spent the next 30 minutes chainsmoking, swearing and telling me that I'll "never make it in disc golf with a sissy putt like that".
Those 12x Star Wraiths are so money! You and I started playing right about the same time, and have always been addicted to the sport. For us old school guys, no one will ever be better than The Champ. McBeast is definitely the best player of this generation, Climo was the best of ours 😎
So interesting to hear how they did not have overstable or high speed discs back then. I love the history and the thought process back then compared to now.
when i started playing in aroun 05 give or take a few years the higest speed they had at that time was a 10 speed and then the wraith came out which was a game changer for alot of people.
@@mech0p I remember this and at that time it was mostly DX and Pro plastic. They did have Champions edition but it wasn't as easy to find and then when the Destroyer came out it blew peoples minds. Then shortly after that star plastic came out and the OG star was amazing
Y'all also can check ratings from back then. Ratings became official in 1998, and he was the first 1040 rated disc golfer in like, 1999. If he was in his prime throwing those same discs from 25 years ago, he would be rated the same at Matty O and only 5 players would be rated higher than him. (Dickerson, Heimberg, Eagle, Ricky, Paul). He is absolutely the GOAT. Paul is obviously better than Ken was, but no denying that Ken was WAY ahead of his time. Thank you for setting the standard then all but a few will ever reach in ratings alone, and for setting a standard that no one will ever match in titles.
The courses were also way different and much easier back then as well. Go play a course from the 90s and alot of the holes are around 300 ft. Also the rating system has changed several times since then. Im sure he would of still been a 1000 rated player and could compete in his prime but he definitelt wouldnt have no where near as many championships. We gotta give him respect though because he helped grow this game big time.
@@mech0p Shorter holes, yes but as he said, the discs had slower speeds and did not go as far as today's discs. Paul is throwing much better plastic than Ken. It's like hitting a persimmon wood driver compared to today's carbon fiber 460 cc heads. It's a huge difference.
Idk. I think UA-cam and other social media outlets helped players advance DRASTICALLY compared to having to learn from trial and error back in Climo’s era of Disc Golf. I think if Climo was to compete again today he’d be a Top 100 player. Hell, maybe even a top 50. The guy was just a natural. I believe (could be wrong) but he started disc golf in his late teens/early 20’s. He wasn’t born into the sport like most top players today.
Your opinion is based off an extremely underwhelmed field of actual athletes playing the game at that time. Ratings are subjective to the strength of the competing field and until the past 10 years or so the field was a joke. The field is just starting to get competitive now that the money is large enough to entice talented athletes from other sports. Ken wouldn't have survived today's field and Paul would also have less on his resume imo.
What a great person, attitude and champ. An inspiration for those who follow. I would love to see what he could do with the modern discs, courses and competition. I imagine he would be right up there with the best ones now.
Comparing eras in sports is always tough. But I'm sure Climo in his prime would have thrown faster discs better than almost anyone else and McBeth can shape shots with understable discs. They both deserve a mention in the best ever conversation.
"What he was able to accomplish along the way will most likely never be achievable again in today's game." The fact that this comment can be made during this video is why there is a debate about GOAT status. No disrespect to the competitors of the time, but they weren't the caliber of Paul, Ricky, Calvin, Eagle, Chris, etc. Do I think Ken would have still been a force to reckon with, for sure, just probably would have had a whole lot less 1s on his PDGA page.
It's like that in any sport. Who knows how he would play against todays guys or how McBeth would've played back in the day. Climo is a legend in the sport, best in his era.
Most underrated putter inside 35, I knew I was in trouble in his group when, I started off round 3 under after 9, which was my best start on that course. But this 8ft wingspan, Waa 9 for 9. And his furthest putt on front 9. Was about 10ft.. after the round, I felt really good about my progress. And was surprised the champ knew all my stats and wins, which I told me my ratings, my last time out finish, my city, my home course, Then named 5 guys in my town he knew. I was shocked, this guy, knew all his comp. Their strength, and weaknesses. I'll always cherish the champ, knowing he told me several times, great putt, are good throw. Being a athlete, it wa as like Jordan are bird saying that to me. And while hes talking to me after the round, a grown man walks up and ask him to sign a disc, I was like damn, and then the guy handed it to me, and ask me too. It was that moment. I had to push my seat all way back, to fit my head in. I had arrived. Not really, but in my mind. All the daily 4hr practices showed their fruits. Lots of hard work... Then month later, I'm at another gig. And champ comes over and ask if he can practice with me. And my folk. So it went from getting dialed in, to, a whole other level of preparation.
Love Ken. I wish he'd be somehow more involved in the DGPT, maybe in commentary? One of the best to play the game but can't be the goat. The games just too different. Bill Russell had more NBA championships than Michael Jordan and Lebron James combined.
Nah, he’s Bill Russel and McBeth is Jordan, that’s a WAYYYYY more accurate comparison. Taking nothing away you can’t help who you play but the competition back then on a scale of 1-10 was a -6. JS.
Except nobody has forgotten Jack, and Jack had amazing competition in his era. Palmer, Player, Watson, Trevino, the list goes on. Ken didn't have anybody that compared to any of Jack's competition
I'm gonna comment the same thing I commented on the original version of this video; Ken Climo IS the GOAT. for most of the 90s, the fastest discs were speed 6 and the fairways were more tightly wooded than they are now. everything was par 3 no matter how long (and there WERE very long holes) or if there was a dog leg right or anything, and Climo still went 18 under regularly (there was no Udisc and there were signicantly more non-pdga sanctioned tournaments). There is also a very good reason Climo's name is on every stock Star Wraith, he was always an elite level distance thrower. Put Climo in his prime into ANY era with ANY discs and he is still the best. McBeth is a fantastic player, but he's not Climo. EDIT: he also had a full-time dayjob the whole time.
" I didn't lose, I got beat" man those kind of athletes becoming instinct, all about excuses these days, saying if I'd done this or if this didnt happen, but not him true champ admitting he gave it his best but someone else was better that day love that, I'd give him the goat statis he was playing the game in his error and he was the best, I hate when people say well game is different now more competition he wouldnt do it now, maybe maybe not but doesnt erase the fact he dominated the sport and has more world titles than anyone if you want the title as goat he set the bar come get it
I wonder how greats of the past would compare with the current greats. Like ken vs paul and simon or Jordan vs lebron or babe ruth vs whoever is decent in baseball right now lol
Scott Stokely won an OTB Skins match earlier this year against Simon Lizotte, Calvin Heimburg, and Brodie Smith. The other guys were killing him in drives and if it were a normal game he would've lost but Stokely made one HUGE shot and won several skins on one hole. Definitely worth a watch. The old dogs still have some bite.
@@jeromysmith1983 oh for sure. I think ken in his prime could have kept up with alot of the new players because his putts and approaches were on point but i just dont think hed put up the numbers with the competition as thick as it is now.
The way I see it Climo is like Bill Russell. Incredible player, incredible winner, and the most dominant player relative to era. On paper you'd think the 11 time champ and defensive rebounding stud would be the goat, but that isn't the consensus. Personally I have him at #4. As a sport evolves so do the players. Michael Jordan is the consensus #1 all time basketball player. Not because he dominated his era the same way Bill did but that when he did it was against much tougher competition. Now in the 2020s basketball is such a global sport with many of the best players coming from outside the US. If someone were to dominate this era the way MJ did his they would take the goat title. I think Paul is the MJ of disc golf, and many years down the road maybe someone will dominate a much more evolved era and overtake him too.
You know, people always say " the competition was weaker back then" but this dude was crushing 70 foot putts, that never got harder. With the new baskets that probably got easier... although I think climo was the goat, mcbeths 6th secures the passing of the crown
Too many players are way too good to just be running though the comp like that. Those folks had jobs back in the day and didn't get to play for a living.
@@sueinraleigh3091 Ther main reason no one will ever come this close is the competition is way more stacked now days. He only had 4-5 people that were real competition because of the lack of time people could invest into this. Back then it was mainly about fun and he was one of the only people that made a career of it so it caused alot of people to not sink as much time into it during those days. I mean worlds only payed out 2k at that time and other big tournaments were 100-200 bucks. Now days alot of people can make a living from it which is causing many more people to try that much harder and bringing the competition to new levels. Thats why i thinks pauls 5 wins is that much more impressive because back then you could name a hadful of greats but now there is a huge list of people that could win any tournament but a few still do stand out. I would of liked to see prime climo in todays disc golf game though because i do think he could of put up a fight against alot of these guys today.
The Bill Russell of disc golf. Bill was the biggest winner but it didn’t make him the greatest ever. Circumstance had a lot to do with it. You can only beat the competition that’s in front of you. It’s not his fault the sport didn’t have the same type of athletes involved, but it’s more impressive what Mcbeth is doing now. Jean shorts are not athletic attire
Who cares what a survey of today says about who is the Greatest of all time? Most people have a memory of about 2 seconds these days. I have been playing since 1981. I watched Kenny live and in Person. I have watched all the great players of today including Paul. You want to say strength of competition, and all that other B.S. that Paul is the GOAT. I'll tell you what, let me know if you can take Paul back to when Kenny was playing and see how he plays those courses with those discs - while working a full time job or Make Kenny 22 years younger playing todays courses with todays discs and no job. If you can't, then you don't know what you talking about. Paul, and Kenny are 2 of the best players of Disc Golf. However, World titles are how most logical people would determine who is the best. Kenny is the GOAT until Paul can pass him up.
He is in fact .. the goat. There is no debate, it's Ken f climo. Just like any player today , you play the competition that shows up and you dominate them. Over and over 12x
Little kids put up Climo numbers now. It's sad to see all these old timers try to explain why climo is the best, and honestly kinda tarnishes the good work he did for the sport.
Yes Climo was the best in his era by a long shot but he wouldn’t even be a top 25 player in todays field, to even try to make the argument that Climo is better than Paul is a total joke, look at highlights in the 90s and then look at the ones we have today, not even close
You cannot compare. McBeth has the benefit of growing up with faster discs, better technique that he learned from watching other players. The game has morphed so much since I started playing in 1990. Back then the fastest disc was an Inova Viper.
I wouldn’t say he wouldn’t be top 25 in todays game. Dude could throw a frisbee even just a few short years ago. No shot hes winning 12 world titles today. But he would definitely be competitive.
He is fantastic but def not the greatest after all the game is def on a whole other level but if it wasn't for the pioneers like him it wouldn't have gotten to this level
@@asmith9554 The ammount of championships dont make you the goat especially when in the 90s almost no one had heard of disc golf at the time. When the field is smaller there is valot less competition and in kens time there were only a handful of people that could beat him because back then disc golf was just for fun and not meant to be taken serious. Now days with the money involved in it the competition is going through the roof and instead of there being a handful of people that could win at anytime there is a big list now that could take any tourney. Im sure if we reversed roles and through mcbeth in the 90s or even the top 10 now in the 90s they would have had similar results. Not saying climo wasnt the shit but the goat is doubtful especially since the sport is only like 50 yrs old and has just recently started blowing up.
This is called generational bias. Just cause you weren’t around in his era and you like yer boi you dismiss climo’s dominance. Prob forgot before Paul’s stamp on innovas discs it was climo’s
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"I didn't lose, I got beat" words of a real champion.
I love the way he said that
Humility makes a great champ.
Agreed 100%. Kamaru just said the same. He got beat and it's a weight off the shoulders and back to the grind
That statement was so cool and full of class! Rewound and watched a couple times.
You cannot compare different eras. Ken was the most dominant player. He was a trailblazer and he created every skill that he had. The players today have many videos of players to watch and learn from. They also have totally different discs. The discs back then did not have speed ratings. I remember when the Viper came out. We could not believe how stable it was! It only has a speed rating of 6 now. I played doubles against Ken in 1991 in Augusta. I was not in his league it was just random draw. Ken was a nice guy and an incredible player.
Couldn't agree more. People are getting introduced at a younger age, have more free training available, and better technology. I have only played for 3 years now, but I understand that newer players like myself stand on the shoulders of giants like Climo, Shultz, Stokely and company.
As a new player, I appreciate your comment & perspective. Disc golf is truly one of the greatest games in the world, and I don’t think I’ll ever give it up.
@@tophat974 I have played since 1990. I played consistently for about 5 years. After that on and off. I do not think I will ever give it up either. It is a great sport and it has changed so much. Discs are flying way farther now due to the discs and better technique. Younger players have the advantage of seeing so much video on other players.
“Cant compare eras”
Proceeds to compare eras LOL
He’s also a cry baby
"I didn't lose, I got beat" I just love that line. He knows he played well but his opponent just played better and he gave it the recognition it deserved.
I once asked him if he could fix my putt and he got so mad when he saw my form that he spent the next 30 minutes chainsmoking, swearing and telling me that I'll "never make it in disc golf with a sissy putt like that".
🤣🤣🤣
That’s a great story 😂
Jordan moment "fuck them kids"
We need to bring back that type of coaching lol. From my experince it garners better results because of the ill prove him wrong mentality.
Lmfao
It's just so amazing to see how the sport has evolved over the years! Gotta respect the folk who paved the way and made disc golf what it is today!
I started playing in 1998 at the age of 19 and been addicted ever since. One of my favorite discs is my Ken Climo Wraith!
Those 12x Star Wraiths are so money! You and I started playing right about the same time, and have always been addicted to the sport. For us old school guys, no one will ever be better than The Champ. McBeast is definitely the best player of this generation, Climo was the best of ours 😎
So interesting to hear how they did not have overstable or high speed discs back then. I love the history and the thought process back then compared to now.
when i started playing in aroun 05 give or take a few years the higest speed they had at that time was a 10 speed and then the wraith came out which was a game changer for alot of people.
@@mech0p Was there much of a learning curve when the higher speed discs came out or did people get the hang of them pretty quick?
@@bosta84 people took on pretty quickly because it wasnt a massive jump really but you could see the difference if ya know what i mean.
@@mech0p That's awesome
@@mech0p I remember this and at that time it was mostly DX and Pro plastic. They did have Champions edition but it wasn't as easy to find and then when the Destroyer came out it blew peoples minds. Then shortly after that star plastic came out and the OG star was amazing
KC was still shooting 1020+ rounds 5 years ago.
Y'all also can check ratings from back then. Ratings became official in 1998, and he was the first 1040 rated disc golfer in like, 1999. If he was in his prime throwing those same discs from 25 years ago, he would be rated the same at Matty O and only 5 players would be rated higher than him. (Dickerson, Heimberg, Eagle, Ricky, Paul). He is absolutely the GOAT. Paul is obviously better than Ken was, but no denying that Ken was WAY ahead of his time. Thank you for setting the standard then all but a few will ever reach in ratings alone, and for setting a standard that no one will ever match in titles.
The courses were also way different and much easier back then as well. Go play a course from the 90s and alot of the holes are around 300 ft. Also the rating system has changed several times since then. Im sure he would of still been a 1000 rated player and could compete in his prime but he definitelt wouldnt have no where near as many championships. We gotta give him respect though because he helped grow this game big time.
The rating system was invented by Chuck Kennedy.
@@mech0p Shorter holes, yes but as he said, the discs had slower speeds and did not go as far as today's discs. Paul is throwing much better plastic than Ken. It's like hitting a persimmon wood driver compared to today's carbon fiber 460 cc heads. It's a huge difference.
Idk. I think UA-cam and other social media outlets helped players advance DRASTICALLY compared to having to learn from trial and error back in Climo’s era of Disc Golf. I think if Climo was to compete again today he’d be a Top 100 player. Hell, maybe even a top 50. The guy was just a natural. I believe (could be wrong) but he started disc golf in his late teens/early 20’s. He wasn’t born into the sport like most top players today.
Your opinion is based off an extremely underwhelmed field of actual athletes playing the game at that time. Ratings are subjective to the strength of the competing field and until the past 10 years or so the field was a joke. The field is just starting to get competitive now that the money is large enough to entice talented athletes from other sports. Ken wouldn't have survived today's field and Paul would also have less on his resume imo.
What a great person, attitude and champ. An inspiration for those who follow.
I would love to see what he could do with the modern discs, courses and competition. I imagine he would be right up there with the best ones now.
Met him about 10 years ago and he was a very cool dude and yes he is the GOAT MAN
I used to play at his home course in Clearwater. When he was practicing it was all day! And I mean all day from sunrise til dark.
Great video thanks for the history and commentary by Ken. Great example of classic skills and great for him to dominate for so many years.
Comparing eras in sports is always tough. But I'm sure Climo in his prime would have thrown faster discs better than almost anyone else and McBeth can shape shots with understable discs. They both deserve a mention in the best ever conversation.
With that form?😬
@@markrounds7878 Hot takes from the 800 rated gallery 🤣
@@asmith9554 I’m not saying Climo couldn’t beat me by 50 strokes
"What he was able to accomplish along the way will most likely never be achievable again in today's game." The fact that this comment can be made during this video is why there is a debate about GOAT status. No disrespect to the competitors of the time, but they weren't the caliber of Paul, Ricky, Calvin, Eagle, Chris, etc. Do I think Ken would have still been a force to reckon with, for sure, just probably would have had a whole lot less 1s on his PDGA page.
Another solid video
Is this a repost of an older video? I'm pretty certain I've seen this before
Yes! There was a few things added and taken out.
@@discgolfcontent I thought i was going crazy. Keep up the hard work, have been really enjoying the videos.
@@discgolfcontent Okay, thank you! Glad to know I'm not crazy 😅
@@discgolfcontent I gotta stop smoking weed bro. I've seen everything you've put out and didn't remember it lol
I was legitimately sad when it was taken down. I was trying to share it. Ken Climos legacy is one of the greatest of all time in all of sports.
It's hard to compare eras. Climo was definitely the goat of his time.
It's like that in any sport. Who knows how he would play against todays guys or how McBeth would've played back in the day. Climo is a legend in the sport, best in his era.
Jack Nicklaus(Ken) or Tiger(Paul)? All were/are great.
Most underrated putter inside 35, I knew I was in trouble in his group when, I started off round 3 under after 9, which was my best start on that course.
But this 8ft wingspan,
Waa 9 for 9.
And his furthest putt on front 9. Was about 10ft.. after the round,
I felt really good about my progress.
And was surprised the champ knew all my stats and wins, which I told me my ratings, my last time out finish, my city, my home course,
Then named 5 guys in my town he knew.
I was shocked, this guy, knew all his comp.
Their strength, and weaknesses. I'll always cherish the champ, knowing he told me several times, great putt, are good throw. Being a athlete, it wa as like Jordan are bird saying that to me.
And while hes talking to me after the round, a grown man walks up and ask him to sign a disc, I was like damn, and then the guy handed it to me, and ask me too.
It was that moment.
I had to push my seat all way back, to fit my head in. I had arrived.
Not really, but in my mind. All the daily 4hr practices showed their fruits. Lots of hard work...
Then month later, I'm at another gig. And champ comes over and ask if he can practice with me.
And my folk.
So it went from getting dialed in, to, a whole other level of preparation.
The whole reason I got addicted to disc golf . I still collect Ken climo plastic
dude, Kenny does a fantastic Gregg Barsby impression!!! lol!
Super cool video!!!
Thank you!
Your clips from 93' to 99' reallllly show how much thks man ages and how fast.
The OG 🐐
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Love Ken. I wish he'd be somehow more involved in the DGPT, maybe in commentary? One of the best to play the game but can't be the goat. The games just too different. Bill Russell had more NBA championships than Michael Jordan and Lebron James combined.
Ken is the Jack Nicklaus. And like Jack he is almost forgotten in the post Internet world. Of course he is the GOAT. At least so far.
Nah, he’s Bill Russel and McBeth is Jordan, that’s a WAYYYYY more accurate comparison. Taking nothing away you can’t help who you play but the competition back then on a scale of 1-10 was a -6. JS.
@@OneLovePsych Jordan's no Bird...
No one who golfs has forgotten Jack Nicklaus at all…
Except nobody has forgotten Jack, and Jack had amazing competition in his era. Palmer, Player, Watson, Trevino, the list goes on. Ken didn't have anybody that compared to any of Jack's competition
The Wayne Gretzky of disc golf.
More Bill Russell.
You're doing a good job
I’ve got video of his first world championship. 1990. Hahahahahah
"The G.O.A.T." is a title that can change through the different eras of the sport. There will only ever be one known as "THE Champ". That's Ken Climo.
I get your point ...but may I point you to about 12 different boxers..
@@sethjackson2266 I guess I meant, in the sport of disc golf. Haha.
Well done!
I'm gonna comment the same thing I commented on the original version of this video; Ken Climo IS the GOAT. for most of the 90s, the fastest discs were speed 6 and the fairways were more tightly wooded than they are now. everything was par 3 no matter how long (and there WERE very long holes) or if there was a dog leg right or anything, and Climo still went 18 under regularly (there was no Udisc and there were signicantly more non-pdga sanctioned tournaments). There is also a very good reason Climo's name is on every stock Star Wraith, he was always an elite level distance thrower. Put Climo in his prime into ANY era with ANY discs and he is still the best. McBeth is a fantastic player, but he's not Climo.
EDIT: he also had a full-time dayjob the whole time.
Half of what you said is just wrong
@@andrewklaudt8080 just because you don’t want it to be true does not make it untrue.
@@DarttheLegend just because You want it to be true, does not make it true :)
@@DTR333 what a wonderful coincidence that it’s all true then :)
@@DarttheLegend :)
" I didn't lose, I got beat" man those kind of athletes becoming instinct, all about excuses these days, saying if I'd done this or if this didnt happen, but not him true champ admitting he gave it his best but someone else was better that day love that, I'd give him the goat statis he was playing the game in his error and he was the best, I hate when people say well game is different now more competition he wouldnt do it now, maybe maybe not but doesnt erase the fact he dominated the sport and has more world titles than anyone if you want the title as goat he set the bar come get it
Is that Stokely at 4:00?
Roger that.
I wonder how greats of the past would compare with the current greats. Like ken vs paul and simon or Jordan vs lebron or babe ruth vs whoever is decent in baseball right now lol
Scott Stokely won an OTB Skins match earlier this year against Simon Lizotte, Calvin Heimburg, and Brodie Smith. The other guys were killing him in drives and if it were a normal game he would've lost but Stokely made one HUGE shot and won several skins on one hole. Definitely worth a watch. The old dogs still have some bite.
@@jeromysmith1983 oh for sure. I think ken in his prime could have kept up with alot of the new players because his putts and approaches were on point but i just dont think hed put up the numbers with the competition as thick as it is now.
Ken is the GOAT
The way I see it Climo is like Bill Russell. Incredible player, incredible winner, and the most dominant player relative to era. On paper you'd think the 11 time champ and defensive rebounding stud would be the goat, but that isn't the consensus. Personally I have him at #4. As a sport evolves so do the players. Michael Jordan is the consensus #1 all time basketball player. Not because he dominated his era the same way Bill did but that when he did it was against much tougher competition. Now in the 2020s basketball is such a global sport with many of the best players coming from outside the US. If someone were to dominate this era the way MJ did his they would take the goat title. I think Paul is the MJ of disc golf, and many years down the road maybe someone will dominate a much more evolved era and overtake him too.
Damn he is tall
Climo was nasty
That career seems excessively GOATED
You know, people always say " the competition was weaker back then" but this dude was crushing 70 foot putts, that never got harder. With the new baskets that probably got easier... although I think climo was the goat, mcbeths 6th secures the passing of the crown
Paul is at 6 now, not done.
He's the God father, Paul's the goat
@4:30 💪🏼🥏🫡
Too many players are way too good to just be running though the comp like that. Those folks had jobs back in the day and didn't get to play for a living.
12x Ken. Paul is halfway there.
Now I know
The most talented player yet. Period.
How is he not the Goat? He won 12 world championships with his last being in 2006.
He won a lot when the talent pool wasn’t that deep. Bill Russell your goat too?
@@lfish21. Team sport vs individual sport? Not really comparable.
1. Paul
2. Ricky
3. Climo
4. Eagle
5. Doss
Whats your top 5?
"WTF is Ken Climo?"....how could anyone watching this channel not know Climo??? He is the GOAT, heads and shoulders.
Oh no, he definitely IS the GOAT. The one and only Champ!
Don’t care how much the game has changed or how much the competition has improved…you don’t win 9 straight World titles and not be the GOAT
I agree. I’ve thought about it a lot, no one will ever come close to this record. Ken is the GOAT!
He is the Bill Russel of disc golf. He won a lot when the competition wasn't nearly as good or advanced. McBeth is Michael Jordan, the actual GOAT
@@sueinraleigh3091 Ther main reason no one will ever come this close is the competition is way more stacked now days. He only had 4-5 people that were real competition because of the lack of time people could invest into this. Back then it was mainly about fun and he was one of the only people that made a career of it so it caused alot of people to not sink as much time into it during those days. I mean worlds only payed out 2k at that time and other big tournaments were 100-200 bucks. Now days alot of people can make a living from it which is causing many more people to try that much harder and bringing the competition to new levels. Thats why i thinks pauls 5 wins is that much more impressive because back then you could name a hadful of greats but now there is a huge list of people that could win any tournament but a few still do stand out. I would of liked to see prime climo in todays disc golf game though because i do think he could of put up a fight against alot of these guys today.
@@RobMonroe97 McBeth should retire just like MJ too if he keeps placing the way he does 🤣. Ken Climo never missed a cut
@@asmith9554 He also played against part timers/ average joes.
It's funny you guys keep calling them the "world championships" 😂
Jordan or Lebron. Ken or Paul
The Bill Russell of disc golf. Bill was the biggest winner but it didn’t make him the greatest ever. Circumstance had a lot to do with it. You can only beat the competition that’s in front of you. It’s not his fault the sport didn’t have the same type of athletes involved, but it’s more impressive what Mcbeth is doing now. Jean shorts are not athletic attire
Paul mcbeth 6 now
Imagine being a world champion and making about 4k a year from winnings lol
Who cares what a survey of today says about who is the Greatest of all time? Most people have a memory of about 2 seconds these days. I have been playing since 1981. I watched Kenny live and in Person. I have watched all the great players of today including Paul. You want to say strength of competition, and all that other B.S. that Paul is the GOAT. I'll tell you what, let me know if you can take Paul back to when Kenny was playing and see how he plays those courses with those discs - while working a full time job or Make Kenny 22 years younger playing todays courses with todays discs and no job. If you can't, then you don't know what you talking about. Paul, and Kenny are 2 of the best players of Disc Golf. However, World titles are how most logical people would determine who is the best. Kenny is the GOAT until Paul can pass him up.
He is in fact .. the goat. There is no debate, it's Ken f climo. Just like any player today , you play the competition that shows up and you dominate them. Over and over 12x
He is the GOAT and wheb Paul stops playing he might be the GOAT but as for now Climo has that spot!
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Little kids put up Climo numbers now. It's sad to see all these old timers try to explain why climo is the best, and honestly kinda tarnishes the good work he did for the sport.
Claims Courses were easier isNaive
1 day ago um u forgot James 2021
One hit wonder ?
What happened to him? He just dropped off the face of the Earth
Yes Climo was the best in his era by a long shot but he wouldn’t even be a top 25 player in todays field, to even try to make the argument that Climo is better than Paul is a total joke, look at highlights in the 90s and then look at the ones we have today, not even close
You cannot compare. McBeth has the benefit of growing up with faster discs, better technique that he learned from watching other players. The game has morphed so much since I started playing in 1990. Back then the fastest disc was an Inova Viper.
I wouldn’t say he wouldn’t be top 25 in todays game. Dude could throw a frisbee even just a few short years ago. No shot hes winning 12 world titles today. But he would definitely be competitive.
I’ve rethought it, I do think Ken’s the GOAT. No one will get close to this record.
He is fantastic but def not the greatest after all the game is def on a whole other level but if it wasn't for the pioneers like him it wouldn't have gotten to this level
These Paul fanboys can't count past 5 remember 🤣🤣
@Mr. chicano saying Climo is the goat is like saying Bill Russel or Wilt are the Goats in basketball
@@asmith9554 The ammount of championships dont make you the goat especially when in the 90s almost no one had heard of disc golf at the time. When the field is smaller there is valot less competition and in kens time there were only a handful of people that could beat him because back then disc golf was just for fun and not meant to be taken serious. Now days with the money involved in it the competition is going through the roof and instead of there being a handful of people that could win at anytime there is a big list now that could take any tourney. Im sure if we reversed roles and through mcbeth in the 90s or even the top 10 now in the 90s they would have had similar results. Not saying climo wasnt the shit but the goat is doubtful especially since the sport is only like 50 yrs old and has just recently started blowing up.
Ken Climo was the most dominant player. You can say that based on his stats.
@@mech0p "You can't use facts to back up your statements". Bro do you even hear how silly that sounds? 😂
Great player for his time but his arrogance always made him a dislikable elitist.
This is called generational bias. Just cause you weren’t around in his era and you like yer boi you dismiss climo’s dominance. Prob forgot before Paul’s stamp on innovas discs it was climo’s
He played with basically no competition. Mcbeast would have killed him..