Big Air Kite Test 3 - 2023 Cabrinha Nitro : North Orbit : Duotone Evo DLAB : & More
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2023
- *PLEASE NOTE - I made a couple little mistakes in this video in regards to the bar, the Cab COS bar I was riding does have 18-24m line length options. I was sent a bar with 18/4 already on it, and the 2m extensions in a side packet, and then didn't even notice it setting up because it was so windy each session and I was pretty excited to get on the water. Also, the little 'metal' piece in the middle of the bar is ceramic*
For part 3 of my big air kite comparison, I was fortunate enough to have Cabrinha send out a 9m Nitro & Bar for me to put through its paces because we don't have them down here in New Zealand. As the first brand to get in touch months back, I have to say I liked their confidence but was a bit apprehensive about what their expectation was for how long it would take, and what quality they would expect from the video as this is not my profession, and just a hobby for me as you can tell by my editing skills.
Thankfully, and to their credit, they literally just sent the kite and haven't been in touch since except to confirm it arrived, and it's taken me weeks to get the wind I needed, and then more time to put the video together.
As always I'm riding these sessions in big air conditions, and comparing the kite to my other favourite kites, either the ones I have bought personally, or have borrowed from local riders.
I am also excited to mention another brand since Cabrinha has sent me another kite to review, so I already am started on my next project, we just need the wind! I wish I could get these done faster, but getting the conditions, and then the time to put them together is a slow process
After the next video, some videos I'd like to do are as follows: Orbit 23 vs 24 or an 8m Kite comparison in over 40 knots. Between my friends, I have access to the following 8m kites: Duotone Evo Dlab, Core XR7, Ozone Edge v11, and North Orbit 23, so I think that would be a fun one (for me anyways), to see how high I can woost on each, and how radical all the loops feel... but I'm also very open to any suggestions on topics so please Like & Subscribe, and comment below!
Filmed as always on my GoPro 11
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Dude, I really appreciate your candid cross-brand reviews!
Thanks mate
No doubt they will send you the XR pro soon. Great Kite reviews!
Xr pro vs dlab would be a fun woost off 😂
@@jasonofmontrealyou’ve got the orbit pro to review now too!
@@Dronescaper yeah, hopefully I can review the 24 and pro at the same time soon
When are you planning to do a review on the 2024 North Orbit? Seriously though, North should just give you a sponsorship, or even have you test their pre released kites. Your videos, and unbiased positive feedback of the Orbits in comparison to all the other flagship kites, and interactions with the fellow youtube kiter community have probably contributed to more Orbit sales than any team rider has. You're videos are awesome, I always get super excited anytime you drop a new video or post. Take care sir!
Thanks for that! Hopefully we’ll get them in New Zealand soon, can’t wait to borrow one. Probably going to be the first season I don’t buy a new orbit, as I just bought an 8m Dlab.
Another great video mate!!!
Cheers Adrian, hopefully, you can try a few of these kites in CT this season ✌
Love your videos. It's so honest and not marketing ploy. Thank you for making them.
My pleasure
Just a quick fact update... Cabrinha COS control (and actually 02 quickloop) come with 18m lines +2 +4 m extensions. The COS bar in the video has this configuration so any length between 18m and 24m in 2m increments can be ridden with the stock control system.
Great comment, I totally didn't notice because I was told the bar was coming to me with 22m lines and 2m extensions, and the bar arrived with the 18/4 combination already on the bar, and the additional 2m on the side. I'm going to make a note on the video's description to account for that, thanks!
Yay! Love the series Jason keep it up!!
will do!
Soo good, love your reviews
Thanks
Great reviews, very insightful!
thanks Roald
Love these reviews man, keep them coming!
Will do 🤘
Great as always!!!
thanks
Another amazing kite video!!! Your content is amazing, amazing review! Thank you for helping me getting my kite!
happy to help, appreciate the enthusiasm for more!
by far you make the best reviews ever ! keep it going mate ! no kite shop or team rider will do honest kite review like yours .
Will do 🤘
Nice review! Thanks
My pleasure
On point as always🤙🤙🤙
Thanks
Epic review again, bro. Really like these longer in depth style over a period of time spent with so many kites. By the same rider in the same conditions.
Hope to see more videos when possible.
Thanks
Thanks, will keep ‘em coming 🤘
Great review as it was candid and straight to the kites and bars performance
Thanks
I love these
Thanks
Great video! I really appreciate the details, as I am about your size. I really hope you get your hands on an Ocean Rodeo Flite-A 10m!! 🤙🏼
Would love to but we don’t really have OR here in NZ unfortunately
Brilliant review again. Was in the US the same time as you, I think you were at Sherman island when I was there.
nice, what a great spot and amazing local crew, had such a blast over July 4th weekend!
Love u videos jas
Thanks mate 🤘
should also put airush lift v3 on the list.
If I can get access to one I will check it out
Great video and helpful reviews! What music track did you use at 2.30-5.39?
It’s all just licence free background music so I’m not sure sorry
Another excellent review, thanks.
You mention the dominance of the Evo DLab in the 10m size with Orbit/Nitro being the best of the rest, but very curious how you feel a 10m Evo SLS might stack up against those kites ..?
or if you haven’t ridden one, what’s your hunch given what you know about the Evo shape and SLS materials.
Cheers
I’m afraid I’ve not tried any sls except a ‘23 9m rebel
I would add... I assume the evo sls is a great kite for all around riding, and in smaller sizes certainly for kiteloops... I think if you are already proficient in loops then you probably wouldn't have any issues with it in the 10m size, but that is not the size I would want to be learning them on with any kite, except perhaps the Rise
Love your videos! Could you test a Vantage kite please? I would be very interested to hear your opinion about it. Keep it up!
Hopefully coming soon
Saw a Vantage Vulture in background. There was some buzz about this particular kite few years back with the way company designed it using some very advanced software and scientific testing approach. Would be nice to know your opinion about it. Does the approach work or is it another marketing trick? There are very few reviews on it online that mostly come from their team riders that cant really be objective. Other than that, awesome review, as always. Good video footage and clear explanations! Thank you!
This! Would love to see how 3-strut kites compare in higher winds and also in terms of 'ease of use' for progressing kiteloop tricks.
It’s on my radar… stay tuned
I flew a Vulture after buying the 10m. Put some time one it. In comparison to the kites he’s talking about the Vulture is meh. It works. It loops (kinda slowly for a 3 strut though). Average boosting. Like a lot of the other decent 3 strut kites out there nowadays. Not in the same league as Evo d lab, orbit, Rebel etc. cheers
@@corpuskiter it’s certainly hard to compete with the kites in the last videos
@@corpuskitersure you flew it on the right setup? In France Vantage tops the woo ranking month after month.
Anyways my experience is the opposite, likely the most catchy looping kite I have flown.
Anyways all personal prefs anyways
Awesome review! Do you plan on doing videos on tricks?
I think I’ll just focus on unbiased kite reviews to be honest… if you’re looking for great trick how to’s I’d suggest ‘Steven akersdijk’ or ‘get high with Mike’
Great review mate - how's the White LE fabric in typical NZ rig ups?
Hahaha, funny you should say… first session before I even launched it was looking filthy… but she washed/blew off beautifully with a few nz squalls
Hi Jason,
I love your kite reviews! As an experienced kiter looking to learn big air loops would you recommend the Rebell SLS or the Duotone DLab? Thanks in advance and happy landings 😊
Of those two, in terms of kite size, 7/8m the rebel sls probably easier, 9m either are great, 10m and up the dlab… as you might have noticed, I feel like the nitro/orbit are easier to learn loops on.
Thanks a lot :)
Thank you for the awesome reviews!!!! I am the same weight as you and wanted to know what you think are the wind ranges for the evo dlabs in 9, and 10? I am going to get a 12 and am debating a 9 or 10m. I am not to the level where i'm going out over 35 knots.
I tend to ride the 12 from about 16-22, the 10 from about 20 to 30, and the 8 from late 20's and up... so I assume the 9 from about 22-35 would be mint.
@@jasonofmontreal Thank you for the feedback, and keep up these reviews, they are very informative and well done!!!
@@kirknybakken8838 thanks
Great Video. By any chance, although it's not made for, do you know the low-end-performance of the Nitro over the Switchblade (in 12). And since the Nitro has little bar pressure, could it be an option also for foiling? Thanks.
I’m afraid I was only testing the nitro for big air, and I’ve never used the SB.
Thanks for the reply. I mean I understand that's what it's made for. I just thought speed and agility could maybe work for a good low end and little bar pressure could be good match for Foiling?! Maybe someone else ha tried...
@@philipheckmann3994 I mean that I’m comparing big air kites, only a few like the reedin or pivot tend to be better all around kites, so its light bar and fast for a 5 strut big air kite, but not compared to 3 strut (or less) wave or foil kites
Hey bro, your reviews are by far the best out there.
I was wondering if you think the orbit is a fun kite to have, it will be my only kite, 8m, in winds from 18 to 35 knots
I would like to have a friendly kite, safe and smooth loops and great hangtime !
I think that’s the best option for that wind range if you are looking to progress and just have a great time
At my size I’d go 9m though…
@@jasonofmontreal thanks a lot
@@damienpiat8275anytime
XR Pro would be great to see. Also, the pig kite from Colin Colin. 🐷🐖
The Squealer might just be a bit too high-performance for the likes of me...
Great video mate! I think eventually you'll have to start separating your reviews into comparing Aluula kites vs. Aluula kites and Dacron kites vs. Dacron kites.
I think you’ve got a point there, but I did try to do that at the end to some extent
That would be interesting, but I do like the comparison across fabrics as well.
@@dpwild328 for sure, the crazy price differences really make them two different things 😂
Great Video as always mate!
I am planning to buy the new orbit in 8 & 10 meter. Do you think the 10m2 is still fun to loop or does it get really slow?
Love the 2023 10m, 10 & 11m are the orbit sizes I used the most this year before I got the 10m dlab. The clips towards the end on the yellow orbit are the 10m. If you are getting into loops, progress with them on the 8, once you are competent with them move onto the 10
@@jasonofmontreal Thanks man! Already stoked for your next video 🤘🏽
@@Luis-ni5zx thanks
I ride the north orbit, but on mega windy days would use an XR6 7m which I’ve set all my PR’s on, but I way prefer the catch and heliloop of the orbit. Is there a kite that you would say boosts like the XR but catches and loops similarly to the orbit?
I used to do the same (as per my first comparison video), 8m xr7 for woosting, 9-11m orbits for regular sessions/progression. For kites in the middle (non aluula), the Flysurfer Era might do the best for a bit of each, or the rebel sls which is so easy to boost with, and loops very well too (check out my videos in those kites). If you want to splash out, of course the Evo dlab is the overall top of the heap.
coming from the neo, it seems that the evo sls is well sought after these days, what s the best cheaper alternative that has the same feel and helps with progressing and it’s good all around, more interested in the low end (no 5 struts)
I've only tried the dlab evo, but I would imagine the standard evo and sls are great for overall progression. As per my videos, I would choose an Orbit over them myself, mainly for the easy progression with kiteloops, but if you are not looking for 5 strut then the North Reach is a great option, my wife rides those after learning on neos
Core xr pro is where it’s at,
Expensive but highest jumps and loops like a kite 2 sizes smaller
Hope to try one eventually
how did you mount the GoPro? Are there any Eleveight XS v4 you can test? Really wonder how big the gap is with the top tier kites
In my mouth
I don’t know anyone locally with that kite unfortunately, and we don’t have a shop for Eleveight here in Auckland either
Thank you for the amazing reviews! One question please...Have you tested the Orbits of 2024 or have you heard something in comparison of the 2023 Orbits? I am about to buy 12m/9m Orbits and i must decide. Of course the price of the 2023 Orbits is better..Thank you in advance!
I have not flown them yet, but a friend of mine who is the same level of rider has been riding a new 9m (he previously rode '23) and he does prefer it for it's similar performance, but improved stability. He did say that it didn't feel quite as quick however as the 2023 so I think there is an argument that in larger size (10 and up), that the '23 much be a better option, but in the smaller size where you are likely to ride in stronger winds, then the 2024 would be the move
Hello! Any feedback on Core Nexus kites? Thx! Super nice videos!! Ps: top 3 lightest bar pressure kites? Thxxx!!!
I have tried them a couple times, but wasn’t a big fan for big air specifically. They have a nice tight loop so they’re easier for loop progression than say an XR, but still too heavy on the bar pressure for me to be one of the better progression options, and not a ton of power for going big woosting etc. I think a Reach, Reedin, or perhaps Dice/Evo Sls are probably preferable in this category for me.
Lightest bar pressure probably ocean rodeo rise, Evo dlab, orbit in the big air department
1:44 did you underpump the kite? I remember my old cabrnha kites would flair out the wingtips like that on strong days
For big air, I pump Aluula kites to 8psi, and other kites to around 10-11psi. This would be from the conditions, and possibly a bit of me feeling out the kite as that was only 5-10mins into my first time on it, and the wind was a very gusty/holey 25-40 knots... As I mentioned in the review, the kite holds up beautifully in 25-30ish, but once you start getting around 35+ it gets more shakey than some of the other kites I'm talking about.
Hi Jason.
From what I understood the Nitro, is particularly fast in "catching" you after a loop. Still, you announce a "safe looping height" of 5 m witch is about the same you've announced in a previous video for the Supermodel from Reedin.
I've been riding a supermodel for the last two years going for 7 to 12 m jumps, freeriding and foiling ... In your opinion, will a Nitro make a significant difference in "building my confidence "on 6 - 7 m kiteloops compared to my supermodel ?
Thank you for your videos !
I find the nitro better for loop progression than the reedin v3 I tested a while back, but still most 8/9m kites are safe to loop if you know how and are consistently jumping over 5m. The size of the kite you’re trying with will matter a lot too of course, I suggest learning at first with an 8m. Every year kites get a bit better, so the first videos ratings were only compared to the kites at the time
Hopefully you can get your hands soon on an orbit pro, would love to hear your opinion on that kite. K
Yeah hopefully, there’s not too many of them around yet 😂
@@jasonofmontreal my Shop told me he will get the pro in Jan - deepest winter in Austria :)
so you will get sooner on the water with it, than me
@@andreaszierhofer3078 yeah hopefully, our windy season is ending soon so getting the 9m wind that I need to test kites fairly will start to get limited unfortunately
Have you evr thought about trying a Pivot or Phoenix from Naish?
I reviewed the pivot in my first comparison video. The phoenix isn’t really a looping kite so it wouldn’t be for me
Any chance to test out an AIRUSH Lift v3?
I’m afraid I don’t have access to one here in NZ
What kind of watch are you using to record your jumps? Is that a Apple watch?
Apple 7, it works pretty well. I believe some of the Garmin work even better
Hey, what line size do you use on xr7 22m or 24m ? Rebel 22m or 24m? 🤘🏽
I test all kites on my preferred size 22m. I have ridden some kites on 23 & 24m lines and I realise you can jump higher on them, but I don't like the feeling as much in general, and more specifically on the loops. Unless you're just woosting, I prefer to stick to 22, or even a bit shorter for loops
@@jasonofmontreal In your opinion, between the XR7 and the Rebel SLS, which one has more boost and hangtime? I currently have the XR but I'm very curious about the Rebel
@@ozii560 it’s very close, I compared them in my last video so you might want to check that out.
Also, when is the Warpigs review coming?
It’s in the mail 😂
at how many knots do you fly a 10 meter?
usually from around 20-30
Ever tried Vantage?
Planning to soon
In durability and reliability, which of high performance freeride and big air do you suggest?
That’s tricky to say… the kites I’m testing tend to all be pretty good, but I do take very good care of them. I also sell/buy new kites every year or two so I’m not using them as long as you might need to to see crazy deterioration
which is top 1 performing kite of all time?
@@Jrlddfriod if you watch my last two videos, for big air, I think it’s currently the Evo dlab.
@@jasonofmontreal A lot of people say it has cheap quality material and it's overpriced. Do you agree with it?
@@Jonpilo-uz1yf I don’t work in the industry and still bought more than one of them so I sure hope not 😂
Any update on your duotone evo dlab how many session you have in this kite is it still that durable?
The kites are still fantastic, with more power and pull however on loops, I still find them more challenging for loop progression than say an orbit or nitro, but it every other way they’re probably superior. I had a bad line snap from friction where the the trust bar meets the v splitter and the ensuing crash popped my bladder in one, but thankfully it was repaired. I do recommend swapping out the v splitter on any 2023 trust bars for the older models. Waiting to hear back from duotone about this
@@jasonofmontreal What causes EVO dlab bladder to pop? What kind of crash is it?
@@Jonpilo-uz1yf the centre line on my 3 month old trust bar snapped from rubbing on the edge of it's new v splitter, because this happened mid jump my kite went into an aggressive powered loop and down into the was with impact, where the metre high waves then pulled it again the lines that had wrapped over the wing tips
Hopefully Duotone recall the new splitters, I'm waiting to hear from the shop i bought t from with what they have to say about it
@@jasonofmontreal The lines make evo dlab popped? Though that aluula had a high strength
@@Jonpilo-uz1yf it was the bladder, not the aluula
is it possible to test the ozone edge v11
I did that in my first video, it’s a great kite… very similar to my xr7
What about orbit 2024?
Once I can get hold of one I will
Harlem Force review
I’m afraid we don’t have that brand in New Zealand
I agree metal piece in center of the bar is a poor design choice even in warm conditions
I'm really curious to know if it will help to maintain the awesome functionality of the auto-unwind over time... because I was really impressed with how smooth it was... and does that annoying metal piece mean it won't wear as quickly as every other auto-unwind I've ever had does...
The kites looking like they are not pumped properly
Not sure where you mean in the video? i pump dakron kites to around 10-11psi, and aluula to 8psi