Speaking of Greek losses during WW2, I believe around 500,000 Greeks died, whether they were soldiers/resistance fighters or innocent civilians killed by numerous war crimes during the occupation. That's about 7% of their population at that time, roughly 7 mil.
Remember when Paradox said they would be doing this more often to fill in the gaps between Major releases? Yeah. Sure glad they didn't if BFTB is anything to go by....
@@albinskold8792 I was talking about the good times when paradox released a yearly update that had good content. The 4 years thing was just an exaggeration
@@xxslomegaxx9574 Also, the ancients WANTED their texts to be read... I doubt anyone in the Greek government or business sector wants anyone to know what's going on.
i'm convinced he does it to neither do aluminum or aluminium which i respect tbh. Much better than "aluminum" though, i'd rather make up a new name altogether than use that
How about Formables to Z, where you celebrate a little of the map painting side of the game. The goal is to get the maximum cores of every possible formable nation I'm HOI4
Can't revive, what didn't exist lol (No, but seriously, Spartan society - or whatever abomination you'd like to call that slave state - was far more driven by fear)
@@_jpg The massive helot population was the exact reason Spartan society was able to create such a legendary military culture. Turns out when you have slaves to do literally everything you can spend most of your time training for combat. And since it sounds like you're making a ethical argument, a friendly reminder that out of all Greek city states, the Spartans were by far the ones that treated their women as equals in society (or at least as close as possible back then), often being the holders of land and property. On the other end, Athens, the great democracy, treated their women like walking uterus's that were owned by their male husbands and family members.
Never saw Axis beat the Soviets in 2 years. That’s gotta be the fastest Barbarossa I’ve ever seen. Especially after they lost 1 million men fighting Greece
greece can actually get a pretty solid industry even with zero expansion. manpower is rough without the formables, but literally every path gets you something you can use to do something about that.
It's funny how Paradox thinks Alf Landon is the best path to an alternate Fascist aligned US when in real life despite having ran against FDR Landon afterwards supported most of FDR's "New Deal" policies. The community has this idea that Alf Landon was 1 step away from goosesteps and jackboots, which is comical and I don't know if that makes the meme better or worse.
Fascists were supporters of welfare state to counter growing Communist sympathy. Just look at Franco's Spain, Mussolini's Italy and even Germany under Austrian Painter. What they all have in common? Excellent welfare systems, well, more excellent then not having it which was common in Europe at the time except in USSR where you had access for free. Social Democrats share a lot of similiarities with Fascism, which is ironic since the saying is "Scratch a SocDem and a Fascist bleeds"
@@johnroscoe2406 I am actually more impressed how ignorant you are why the New Deal policies were in fact enacted, not to boost economy, but the crush growing Communist organisations in the country and stifle Soviet influence. I am also kinda shocked you actually think it matters what president sits in the office LOL, the ruling class still wins regardless what president goes into office, just ask JFK what happens when a president does not listen to them.
Am I the only one who genuinely enjoys the Greek focus tree? Both the byzantine and regular fascist path are very fun, plus all the focuses in the center give you insane buffs. The regular fascist path in particular is super fun, you can join the axis and eventually form Greater Greece.
they are all actually super fun. no idea why isp has a chip on his shoulder about it. haven't really heard anyone but him hate on it as hard as he does. its legit probably my favorite focus tree.
The only thing I particularly dislike about it is that it's short (especially when compared to Turkey's, which didn't even participate in WW2 until the last 2 seconds) and that the three military foci at the end need you to become the Byzantine empire, so unless you go down that path they're left there taunting you.
same, never understood isp's hate boner for it. its probably my favorite focus tree. alot are messy or dont actually have much going on despite their huge size. but greece is perfect.
The industry part of the Greek focus tree makes it good by itself. Let alone the options for expanding. You can basically core the entire Eastern Roman Empire’s lands and vassals via the focus tree and decisions. Greek tree is one of the most popular trees, idk why you don’t like it.
Coming back to this vid and hearing him say “most communist paths suck” after the new dlc where Germany might just have the strongest communist path, and it being one of the strongest in general is crazy
The absolute worst choice in Turkey's focus tree is waiting for your starting leader to die without finishing the Ratify the Six Arrows focus which gets you an event to get the Caliph back as a leader and you end up being locked out of the rest of your focus tree
ISP try not to have fun with the Greek focus tree challenge (POSSIBLE) (Guys it was fun but not because of the focus tree) (This time too) (Trust me bro)
Suggestion: “Island Exiles” - goal would be to see which nations can be reduce to an “isolated, miserable” island somewhere in the world. Brits to South Georgia, France to the “Saint Paul and Amsterdam Islands” (are they even in the game?), Canada to Haida Gwaii, and USA to Hawaii or Guam or Kodiak Island maybe. You could handle it a number of different fun ways - meme it up - and the good thing might be that it’s not necessarily open-ended.
It's funny since the monarchist path also stops you from getting Metaxism and improving the buff to silly levels which is arguably the only upside of the historical path.
not to mention so called great power of the time like france lasted only 6 weeks against 1 army. meanwhile the whole of europe rolled up on "little" greece and it lasted 216 days. if greece had the land mass, and population of the soviet union, war probably would have ended in 43 lol. personally my favorite factoid about the war in greece is that they captured so many italian tanks that they formed a separate tank core just for them. whole greek tank core of just captured tanks
ISP moves a chair on the timeline and we got: getmany capitulating the soviets, republic of Germany with ½anschluss, 2 ukraines and Yugoslavia ballsack
i just had a dream where you decided to play every releasable nation in africa A to Z and you started with albania for dream reasons , please make my dream real
Paradox balance, do not question is, they changed how USSR create their divisions, which means they are all weak tissue paper, I have never seen USSR make anything bigger than 24 width.
Surprisingly still "Kingdom" of Greece at the end, pretty much reunited with their Third Roman kids “Hence, we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes, but that heroes fight like Greeks" -Churchill “The Greek soldier, above all, fought with the most courage” -Hitler
excited for this one 👀
Lol this is UA-cam with 0 likes.
Doing your mother
youtube has one like lol
I ate 5 homeless people because I thought they were watermelons
WHAT THE FUCK
Speaking of Greece, one out of ten Greek soldiers died in ww2. Knowing ISP, this will be child’s play.
Speaking of Greek losses during WW2, I believe around 500,000 Greeks died, whether they were soldiers/resistance fighters or innocent civilians killed by numerous war crimes during the occupation. That's about 7% of their population at that time, roughly 7 mil.
@honeybadger6275 so edgy laughing at the death of civilians.
You've never felt the sweet touch of a woman.
@@PaulRudd1941 Weird how you people always go to muh dick as in insult.
@@PaulRudd1941Bro this is a hoi4 video's comment section, none of us will ever feel the touch of a woman
@@PaulRudd1941 That's like saying hear me in a room full of deaf people.
Greece: I'd like to join the allies
Britain: *NO*
Greece: I'd like Cyprus then
Britain: *only if you join the allies*
Greece: ;-;
Win-win for the gyros bois
Remember when Paradox said they would be doing this more often to fill in the gaps between Major releases? Yeah. Sure glad they didn't if BFTB is anything to go by....
Remember when updates came out every 4 years
@@salty5613 what?
@@albinskold8792 I was talking about the good times when paradox released a yearly update that had good content. The 4 years thing was just an exaggeration
Na this is fast for paradox
I mean that was what ToA was basically
Sir, a second Japan has capitulated
It was bound to happen sometime, welcome to Greece, where deciphering the ancient texts is easier than understanding the greek economy!
Well the ancient texts are written in a real language. The Greek economy is written in hieroglyphs and enchanting table.
@@xxslomegaxx9574 Also, the ancients WANTED their texts to be read... I doubt anyone in the Greek government or business sector wants anyone to know what's going on.
12:21 babe wake up, ISP just dropped a new way to pronounce aluminium
Aluminimum
i'm convinced he does it to neither do aluminum or aluminium which i respect tbh. Much better than "aluminum" though, i'd rather make up a new name altogether than use that
How about Formables to Z, where you celebrate a little of the map painting side of the game. The goal is to get the maximum cores of every possible formable nation I'm HOI4
Hallowbeeing is already doing that
okay, so hell?
YOU'RE HOI4?!
@@patrickkloiber741 don't know them. May check them out
@@JamesGoldie-lm1du YEAH! 😃
Ah, yes, the famous Greek battleship, the MISSISSIPPI CLASS.
purchased from the americans
We had some Mississippi class actually
Yes that’s actually historically accurate
Well it's true
As a matter of fact, greece did have (2) Mississippi class ships that they purchased in 1914 so it's pretty much accurate
Bro didnt even Revive the Spartan Warrior Spirit 😂
E
Can't revive, what didn't exist lol
(No, but seriously, Spartan society - or whatever abomination you'd like to call that slave state - was far more driven by fear)
@@_jpg not defending the spartans but everybody had slaves back then
@@_jpg The massive helot population was the exact reason Spartan society was able to create such a legendary military culture. Turns out when you have slaves to do literally everything you can spend most of your time training for combat.
And since it sounds like you're making a ethical argument, a friendly reminder that out of all Greek city states, the Spartans were by far the ones that treated their women as equals in society (or at least as close as possible back then), often being the holders of land and property. On the other end, Athens, the great democracy, treated their women like walking uterus's that were owned by their male husbands and family members.
@@_jpg>Slave State
Like 90% of the States were slave states, grow up
Never saw Axis beat the Soviets in 2 years. That’s gotta be the fastest Barbarossa I’ve ever seen. Especially after they lost 1 million men fighting Greece
Soviets should’ve taken the investments
seems like it was because the allies spent the whole time doing nothing in bulgaria lol
I LOVE GREECE!!! I WANT TO HAVE NO MANPOWER OR INDUSTRY AND BE INVADED BY TWO GREAT POWERS!!!!
E
Still beat those great powers
Cuckold hoi4
greece can actually get a pretty solid industry even with zero expansion. manpower is rough without the formables, but literally every path gets you something you can use to do something about that.
1/2 great powers
It's funny how Paradox thinks Alf Landon is the best path to an alternate Fascist aligned US when in real life despite having ran against FDR Landon afterwards supported most of FDR's "New Deal" policies. The community has this idea that Alf Landon was 1 step away from goosesteps and jackboots, which is comical and I don't know if that makes the meme better or worse.
Fascists were supporters of welfare state to counter growing Communist sympathy.
Just look at Franco's Spain, Mussolini's Italy and even Germany under Austrian Painter.
What they all have in common? Excellent welfare systems, well, more excellent then not having it which was common in Europe at the time except in USSR where you had access for free.
Social Democrats share a lot of similiarities with Fascism, which is ironic since the saying is "Scratch a SocDem and a Fascist bleeds"
@@SMGJohn way to go completely beyond the topic and point. I'm sure we're all very impressed.
@@johnroscoe2406
I am actually more impressed how ignorant you are why the New Deal policies were in fact enacted, not to boost economy, but the crush growing Communist organisations in the country and stifle Soviet influence.
I am also kinda shocked you actually think it matters what president sits in the office LOL, the ruling class still wins regardless what president goes into office, just ask JFK what happens when a president does not listen to them.
@@johnroscoe2406 The famous Alf Landon is Misrepresented to Social Democrats are Fascists pipeline®
@@SMGJohn Soc dems are the moderate wing of fascism
Am I the only one who genuinely enjoys the Greek focus tree? Both the byzantine and regular fascist path are very fun, plus all the focuses in the center give you insane buffs. The regular fascist path in particular is super fun, you can join the axis and eventually form Greater Greece.
they are all actually super fun. no idea why isp has a chip on his shoulder about it. haven't really heard anyone but him hate on it as hard as he does. its legit probably my favorite focus tree.
Metaxas path is fucking Great
The only thing I particularly dislike about it is that it's short (especially when compared to Turkey's, which didn't even participate in WW2 until the last 2 seconds) and that the three military foci at the end need you to become the Byzantine empire, so unless you go down that path they're left there taunting you.
when you just chilling and you see a giant arrow go across your country all the way to the other side ( its over ) :
I actually really like Greek focus tree. Its just chill focus tree with a lot of options.
same, never understood isp's hate boner for it. its probably my favorite focus tree. alot are messy or dont actually have much going on despite their huge size. but greece is perfect.
Same, I love it. Just wish I could figure out the right gameplan to get all my islands before WWII breaks out so I can finish the economic tree
16:28
You also get ticking weekly stability that results in around +6% stability when all is said and done.
Heads up ISP, you misclicked when Italy capped. That's why you got all the land and no puppet.
At least Greece gets a tree. *Grumbles in Irish*
THIS... IS... N'T THE SPARTAN PATH IN THE THUMBNAIL
Episode 16 of asking to play as Poland, get Wojtek, conquer Jan Mayen and releaae yourself as Jan Mayen
Where is Alf?
8k away
Rat ate him.
We are getting close
Did we ever get the rat's name?
Are we sure it isn't Alf Landon?
Alf Landon?
The industry part of the Greek focus tree makes it good by itself. Let alone the options for expanding. You can basically core the entire Eastern Roman Empire’s lands and vassals via the focus tree and decisions.
Greek tree is one of the most popular trees, idk why you don’t like it.
Coming back to this vid and hearing him say “most communist paths suck” after the new dlc where Germany might just have the strongest communist path, and it being one of the strongest in general is crazy
When democratic tanu tuva world conquest
I really expected the path where you form Alexander's Empire since you need to fight the Allies and the Axis
I love the viewers of this channel, they all are a little acoustic
The absolute worst choice in Turkey's focus tree is waiting for your starting leader to die without finishing the Ratify the Six Arrows focus which gets you an event to get the Caliph back as a leader and you end up being locked out of the rest of your focus tree
I'm pretty sure that it's if you don't do Etatism/Is Bank which leaves you with Kazim Orbay.
He unintentionally almost unified all the Romes except Turkey for Byzantium. Took back Rome and Moscow.
Very cool, but where's the Rat?
Ratratratratratratratratratrat
We demand the rat 🐀🐀🐀🐀🐀🐀🐀🐀
We need the rat
RAT
btw on the side now 0:05
i liked how u explained what focuses and researches etc u were doing and why
Honestly I can’t process any focus tree let alone the Turkish one
Can't believe you're still playing this dude, I stopped years ago. Would've killed myself by now - you're stronger than me.
ISP try not to have fun with the Greek focus tree challenge (POSSIBLE) (Guys it was fun but not because of the focus tree) (This time too) (Trust me bro)
yeah, of all his greece videos, basically all but the first one he had fun. crazy how that one experience colored his whole perception of the nation
Tibet focus tree be like:
*Achieve Universal Consciousness*
"annexes world"
time to plant olive groves
792k subscribers, we are getting closer to the Alf Landon playthrough
ISP Black Ice video when
Suggestion: “Island Exiles” - goal would be to see which nations can be reduce to an “isolated, miserable” island somewhere in the world. Brits to South Georgia, France to the “Saint Paul and Amsterdam Islands” (are they even in the game?), Canada to Haida Gwaii, and USA to Hawaii or Guam or Kodiak Island maybe. You could handle it a number of different fun ways - meme it up - and the good thing might be that it’s not necessarily open-ended.
0.000001 Pico seconds and 0 views? Bro zorped off
It's funny since the monarchist path also stops you from getting Metaxism and improving the buff to silly levels which is arguably the only upside of the historical path.
Bro 6k views in ¼h is amazing! You 100% deserve it though
not very regnum bospori
AS a Greek BIG W
By the way if you want a bit more spice for your greek gameplay you can try the ultimate Greece rework mod.
I didn't expect ISP to clickbait in the video's title
Fun fact: Greece was the only country on the allies to fight 4 armies at the same time and gave the first allied victory against the axis
not to mention so called great power of the time like france lasted only 6 weeks against 1 army. meanwhile the whole of europe rolled up on "little" greece and it lasted 216 days. if greece had the land mass, and population of the soviet union, war probably would have ended in 43 lol.
personally my favorite factoid about the war in greece is that they captured so many italian tanks that they formed a separate tank core just for them. whole greek tank core of just captured tanks
@@e.corellius4495 if only greece had the land mass and population of the soviet union...
@@greeknationalist-o3o
Why do you have the flag of the Junta?
@@Hypogeal-Foundation it's meant to be a darker greek flag, i wasn't trying to use the Junta flag
*cough cough* Narva, *cough cough*
you know you're in for a wild one when you just own Romania for no reason
ISP moves a chair on the timeline and we got: getmany capitulating the soviets, republic of Germany with ½anschluss, 2 ukraines and Yugoslavia ballsack
All that effort, and you didn’t even invade Turkey…
Am i the only one who loves the Greece focus tree?
naval Chukotka republic when?
The fact that I read the title and knew it was Greece before I saw the thumbnail speaks miles.
ISP: Shows focus in thumbnail
ISP: Doesn't do focus in video
T-T
They really should consider splitting the focus threes into different folders/windows
i just had a dream where you decided to play every releasable nation in africa A to Z and you started with albania for dream reasons , please make my dream real
Bro didn't revive Byzantium but conquered both first and third Rome lmao
personally i love Greece, always have fun playing them. never understood why isp hates it so much.
There's "Battle for Bosporus" dlc that sorts this out 👌🏼👌🏼
Any chance during one of these you can show your production lines like right before the ww2 kicks off?
Past several HOI games I've played the soviets have lost everytime. Its getting pretty weird.
It's been ages since I saw USSR hold the line past 1942
Paradox balance, do not question is, they changed how USSR create their divisions, which means they are all weak tissue paper, I have never seen USSR make anything bigger than 24 width.
@@SMGJohn "Paradox balance" now that's an o x y m o r o n 😀
When’s isorrow going to try out the girls und panzer mod
Isp please make starting division only template as Soviets, France Poland or China (2nd video asking)
I had the thought of "Ahistorical to Z", but then immediately got brain rot from the concept.
You've played this long and don't realize that the raids actually increase stability by the end of it? That's crazy
Do tank only heavy carriers And heavy battleships How's the Italians
Bro says he ran out of content but didn't even try forming Macedonia
Cant wait for Historical A-Z
When navy only Luxembourg, huh 🤨
Navy only Liechtenstein in R56 by buying Alaska
"You never really see that, do you?"
Yes, yes I do. Literally every game where both Germany and the Soviets are AI, Germans win.
Surprisingly still "Kingdom" of Greece at the end, pretty much reunited with their Third Roman kids
“Hence, we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes, but that heroes fight like Greeks"
-Churchill
“The Greek soldier, above all, fought with the most courage”
-Hitler
Which focus is the 'fun' modifier?
I've got massocism focus and the civy which got eaten by consumer goods...
THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!
When second Rome take back first and third Rome
“I like playing as a small nation and becoming huge” so you do like playing monarchist Denmark ? 🗿
Isp mentioned artillery only in 2024? It's coming guys
Add some field hospitals! Soldier live matters
They don't for ISP 😂😂
lmao I knew you scooped russia before you had shown with all that participation
WHERE IS RHE RAT???
Protectors of the Mediterranean
The reason the communist focus tree is trash is because it’s pretty crap in real life too
The investments in the USSR really paid off, didn’t they.
i approve.
So what Im hearing is you recommend the Greek focus tree...
Every Greek who died took 10 Germans with him that’s insane 💀
I can't do even 1% of what this guy does
Petition for ISP to play Syndicalist Italy/Roman Empire in Kaiserredux Day 61
paradox really needs to buff the soviet ai
Plenty of worst nations in HOI4
which dlc is it cause i don't have a focus tree for nations like greece
Fun fact: doing anti-democratic/comunist/etc raids give net gains in stability over time
I can not wait for the Hungary video.
The marketplace makes very unfun countries like Greece just regularly unfun
It ain’t easy, being Greecie.
Lord Kratos smiles upon you.
hello isorrowproductions i trust you are having fun celebrating pride month with your anime pillows?
You should play Greece in great war redux
As a greek ,thank you ☺☺
Only 8k away from Alf Landon lets goooooo