nick valentine, garrett, corvo, codsworth, karras, Xerxes, William Bedford Diego, Barbas the talking dog, the Daedric Prince Clavicus Vile, Belethor, and Mercer Frey. Goddamn this guys voice is everywhere
This SUBPAR reboot didn't deserve the illustrious Mr Russell, he deserves better dialogue. They missed out here, my favorite voice actor in the industry, all my favorite games he is involved in. Living legend!
While this is an improvement, it still doesn't sound right. Where's the cynicism and dark sarcasm he used to have? This is of course am issue with direction and script that a single actor couldn't hope to fix. Oh well.
No - this was from a raw testing session that was pasted over the trailer without properly mixing it in (that is why the audio levels are way off) as this trailer with Stephen Russell's voice was just a concept test that was made for internal viewing only. This was from very early on during the development when Stephen Russell was invited to do some preliminary voice testing (there was no full script at that point and direction was in the artist's own hands because it was all very preliminary). Stephen Russell himself was many years older by this point and his voice had changed (I like his voice work even to this day, but his voice having become raspier is evident in his later voice roles and that is just him having aged), so one shouldn't even expect him to sound like he did all those years ago: while the sentimental part of me would have liked to see him in Thief once again, this is not even supposed to be the same Garrett (and for the record, had there been a Thief game after Deadly Shadows, it wouldn't have been the same Garrett in it either; it would have been a full reboot taking place in the real world in modern day). Romano Orzari does his job well as a different Garrett and I remember Stephen Russell having stated when asked at a convention by a fan that he has no grudge about Orzari having gotten the job - they are both just actors doing their job (Orzari himself played a prominent role in Assasin's Creed II and also performed in its live-action prequel movie).
Exactly, Niko. I remember following the news about this game, and when this particular trailer surfaced (leaked), employees at the game's official forums confirmed this being from an early testing session and it was just made for internal viewing as a test (I see you also followed the game's news).
I have to say, I grew up playing the *original*/*genuine* Thief games (the trilogy), and I loved those. I hated "THIEF". Tried to like it, but it was a very cheap knockoff, which attempted to make up for it with eye candy. I think I might have liked it at least a little bit if they had kept Stephen Russell. Then it would at least have seemed like half an attempt at doing the series justice...
I’d absolutely love for thief to be made by Arkane studios, wish they could buy the IP- I think they are the only studio who could do the game justice. I just think how awesome the lore, story and games are the Thief series deserved books and movies set it that universe. Although the first 3 games are held in high regard, I just feel there was a lot of unfulfilled potential in the u inverse.Experiencing the atmosphere of gloom, story and art direction it just captivated me so much as with deadly shadows.
To be honest even with Stephen it wouldn't work. New thief has a different personality and goals. Old Garrett lived in an apartment and his main motivation to go stealing was paying the rent. In meantime he had to listen to countless annoying reminders from Keepers. New Garrett lives like some kind of super hero and has a strong kleptomaniac issues, because instead of selling his trinkets, he keeps them on proud display.
I want another Thief game with an older, more grizzled Garret and that girl he caught in Thief 3 as an apprentice. Russell just has that grizzled, experienced voice. You know?
@@huntclanhunt9697 in thei4f garrett has an apprentice named erin, its up to interpretation but most fans think the girl he catches at the end of deadly shadows is her.
@@LokeshThakur It's not her. Thief 4 is set several generations after Thief 3. The Garrett of the first three games is long dead by the time of Thief 4, as is the girl he caught.
52262 933626 what do you think would happen? looked like he renounced actually being a thief to be the one true keeper. would it be the girl he caught stealing from him?
"Perhaps they will pull a Highlander 3 and pretend that this was never made. Thief 5, the do over." - "one could only hope. and hopefully start where garrett left off in the story line. not this rewrite bullshit.and pretend that this was never made." Hate to break this to you, but had there been a Thief game after Deadly Shadows, it would have had nothing to do with the first three games, since it would have taken place in the real world in modern day.
Didn't quite sound like Garrett until he said "progress". I've not played Thief 4: Shit, but I read that the character was changed from being a hardheaded pragmatist to a "I thieve because it's WHAT I AM" kind of nonsense. The justification for going with a different actor seemed ridiculous, too - they needed someone who could do their own mocap stunts.
All the characters that had extensive choreographed moments had their voice actors performing in motion capture their own stunts while they were voicing them at the same time - it might seem ridiculous to you, but it is an increasingly common thing. As for Stephen Rusell's voice in this trailer, the voice came from a raw testing session that was pasted over the trailer without properly mixing it in (that is why the audio levels are way off) as this trailer with Stephen Russell's voice was just a concept test that was made for internal viewing only. This was from very early on during the development when Stephen Russell was invited to do some preliminary voice testing (there was no full script at that point and direction was in the artist's own hands because it was all very preliminary). Stephen Russell himself was many years older by this point and his voice had changed (I like his voice work even to this day, but his voice having become raspier is evident in his later voice roles and that is just him having aged), so one shouldn't even expect him to sound like he did all those years ago: while the sentimental part of me would have liked to see him in Thief once again, this is not even supposed to be the same Garrett (and for the record, had there been a Thief game after Deadly Shadows, it wouldn't have been the same Garrett in it either; it would have been a full reboot taking place in the real world in modern day as the old developers have confirmed).
@@NikoChristianWallenberg The trouble with pasting the same response to three people (at least) is that you miss things you're responding TO. I never said I expected him to sound like he used to, but I DID say that he sounded like Garrett after one or two lines. The mocap thing is still a terrible justification. My issues are with the change to his character, borne out by the Thief 4 we got - Garrett's personality was entirely changed, and whilst you can say it's not the same Garrett, the game is clearly trading upon our fondness for him by giving him the same name, a mechanical eye, and including some of the same characters from 1 & 2. Added to which, despite this being an internal test, they clearly _wanted_ it to be the same Garrett at one point because Russell was hired to do this voice work, and indeed cast him before being replaced; and the given reason for not hiring him was the aforementioned mocap nonsense, not because they didn't like his voice. So, it's the same Garrett with terrible writing and a change from "I thieve because the landlord's coming" to "I own the night!" nonsense. If the writing had been on par with the originals, a new voice could be forgiven.
Honestly you can hear even Stephen Russel having a hard time voice acting their version of Garrett,I honestly dont think that even if Stephen Russel were to voice act Garrett in thief4 that it would make a difference, I mean look at the freaking trailer, since when did Garrett the master thief became a freaking ninja? since when did morals and ethics really mean anything to him? since freaking when did the footstep sounds of hes freaking taping shoes were gone? think I didnt notice that did ya? no way Garrett is breaking into a mansion without these damn tapping shoes ill tell you that much. thats not Garrett and those are not hes shoes!
Exactly. This game was not bad because Stephen Russel wasn't in it, this game was bad because it was a bad game. They ignored everything from the predecessors. The real Garrett was a cynical, misanthrope. He wasn't a ninja and he didn't have lightning reflexes, if he did he wouldn't have had an eyeball plucked out. He thought he was smarter and more skilled than everyone else around him and to *some* degree, SOME, that was true. He was the best of the Keepers when it came to being stealthy but disliked their methods. His youth spent on the streets gave him a craving for wealth and money but here's the thing, Garrett never got that wealth. When you play the first two games he remarks about having to meet rent and get food. And yes, he did have "tap shoes". Because without them doing a job is *too easy* for him. Garrett wearing hard soled shoes that make a lot of noise when he walks is his way of giving himself a challenge becaus ethe only way he can find excitement in his work is to challenge himself. Like those people who say "I've beaten FF8 using only limit breaks with a single character and no items and no upgrades" You might look at them and think "Seriously?" But for that person it's fun. Similarly Garrett finds it fun to rob people blind while wearing hard soled shoes when he could just as easily go barefoot and not make a sound. It's his way of sticking a finger up at the guards and saying "Suck on this!" Thief 4 made him into Batman with a stealing fetish like Catwoman. Someone who doesn't need to steal but does it for fun. Instead of someone who steals just stay fed. Add to that look at him! What is with this uber-dark, scarred up gaunt-faced looking guy? Look at the artwork for Thief 2, Garrett has a nice face. He looks like a normal human being. Why the change? Oh, well new-Garrett has to look badass like he's been going to fight club so he looks like a badass cause you don't wanna mess with him! Garrett is supposed to look like a regular joe because then if someone sees him in a regular kind of setting he looks like a regular person and you don't suspect him of being a criminal. *That's the point*! Designed by executive committee, I tell you. Just ticking off boxes of what people think they want. And what annoys me most of all is when you go back to old PC games and the gameplay has so much more versatility. Cause they're not limited by controllers. So you have controls that let you control the character's body and allow for immersing yourself in the role. You can crouch, sure, but you can also lean to the left, right, lean forward and I could go on all day so I'm shutting up. I just hate when people try to grab at old properties by trying to deliver what they think will be liked.
It had nothing to do with "Stephen Russell having a hard time voice acting their version of Garrett", this was from a raw testing session that was pasted over the trailer without properly mixing it in (that is why the audio levels are way off) as this trailer with Stephen Russell's voice was just a concept test that was made for internal viewing only. This was from very early on during the development when Stephen Russell was invited to do some preliminary voice testing (there was no full script at that point and direction was in the artist's own hands because it was all very preliminary). Stephen Russell himself was many years older by this point and his voice had changed (I like his voice work even to this day, but his voice having become raspier is evident in his later voice roles and that is just him having aged), so one shouldn't even expect him to sound like he did all those years ago: while the sentimental part of me would have liked to see him in Thief once again, this is not even supposed to be the same Garrett (and for the record, had there been a Thief game after Deadly Shadows, it wouldn't have been the same Garrett in it either; it would have been a full reboot taking place in the real world in modern day).
@Gideon October Thats why I recommend you ditching that game and playing a free and open source mod called "The Dark Mod" that takes inspiration after the Thief games, its quite good
Hitman series stayed with David Bateson and more or less sticked to their guns and they do fine. Thief series ended with a whimper due to creative direction changes.
Looks like you guys didnt follow the thief story at all, Garette was a fkn ninja because he was trained by the keepers, Garette was considered more agile / nimble than your average npc, and for the person mentioning his eye, dude he was literally fkn captured by two pagan gods.
Years ago, the first couple times I watched this I almost cried. I came back to it in 2018 and slowly felt the build up of opposite emotion, and then at 2:26 I finally lost it. This shit is fucking hilarious to me now.
I had no idea. It's not surprising at all that he would have been willing to come back. I just figured that they didn't ask...but here they HAD him involved and they nixed the idea...and this game's stock with me just went down again...if that's even possible.
As upset as I was about them not casting Stephen Russell, I'm glad they didn't. Because they cut him out, I didn't buy the game. Good thing, because it ended up being a Thief game in name only. Glad Stephen Russell wasn't associated with that garbage. Glad to hear him in Fallout 4 now :)
This by itself is better than the entire actual Thief 4 game. Still, even Russell couldn't have saved this game. Erin was, by far, the biggest drawback. I wanted her to die from the pre-credits sequence. The thief levels were uninspired. They saved the bank level for DLC? That's stupid. The new voice actor may sound younger, but he sounds bored as hell.
dat voice...dayum! Loved previous Thief games, because they were fun, good, innovative and mostly because of Stephen Russell`s voice acting. Damn, I feel old... As for ``Thief``, it`s a letdown after three great games. I expected more.
The new ways of opening safes and disarming traps were good but what really hurt THIEF (2014) was no Stephen Russell, you not playing as the real Garrett, no sword or dagger, the extreme repeating of lines by enemy mooks, rope arrows not attaching to all sorts of wooden surfaces like ceilings, those damn bird cages, the fact that no Hammerites or Pagans or Keepers or even Mechanist remnants are around, the poor quality story, the terrible combat system, and that the universe was changed from a medieval setting with magic and electricity to a Charles Dickens-esque world.
I hate playing Thief 4 because it doesn't have Stephen Russell as the voice of Garrett. Over the years I have played all three Thief games over and over and Stephen Russell has become Garrett to me. Now when I try playing the new game, it just makes me angry every time Garrett speaks. I can understand Russell's voice has aged a bit (not the same deep crisp voice as Garrett from Deadly Shadows even) but he was/is Garrett. Developers make a huge mistake because they essentially created a new game and so they should have named it something else and not Thief.
+Sadin15 Stephen Russell's voice wouldn't have even come CLOSE to saving this game. It's a piece of rat filth. I'm glad he didn't voice it, since that would have just been casting pearls into a pigsty. Stephen Russell not voicing the game made it an automatic no-deal for me, but then when I saw Let's Plays of it? I'm GLAD he wasn't associated with this absolute pile of rat feces. Another so-called game treating its players like unthinking, braindead 8-year olds. I'll pass. And sleep happy knowing that the tremendous voice actor Stephen Russell's reputation wasn't polluted by this filth.
That is actually pretty accurate. I have been a die hard thief fan since the 90s and I played all four games and dishonored, and dishonored wins when compared to this new thief.
He did a great job i think, he wasn't the problem for the fans, that it was not stephen russel, the voice they fell in love with, was the problem for the fans and so the new actor couldn't win no matter how good he was from a neutral POV
Hi Michael, I'm sorry I don't speak your language but how in the hell Stephen did this voice? you asked him to do this or they casted him in the first place and then kicked him out.
Metzergernstein The second option - Stephen was cast and confirmed as Garrett early on in development, but for some reason, Square-Enix later decided the motion-capture actor should do the voice, too. Regrettably, this also meant Stephen was effectively kicked out from development. There was a petition going around to bring him back, and he himself sent a message to the community at the Through The Looking Glass forums, but, unfortunately, nothing came out of it and Thief 4 came out with a far inferior voice-over. I had my hesitations about "emo-Garrett" from this trailer, but the final game could have been so much better just with Stephen's voice. Sigh.
Joshua Day It's common practice for voice-actors to be separate from motion-capture actors, actually - it's part of the reason why Eidos' explanation for the change was such bullshit. It's been done in games practically since MoCap became a viable option for game developers.
Thank. GOD. that Stephen Russell wasn't associated in the end with this shit. I was absolutely horrified that he wouldn't voice Garrett again, and vowed to not buy the game if he didn't. I was a vociferous advocate of the petition on his behalf. But it didn't matter, he didn't voice Garrett, ruining the character (as I thought at the time). Then I read about the game, watched the first few videos of a Let's Play of it... what an abomination. What a typical dumbed-down console-fest targetted toward 9-year olds. I'm not a stupid, unthinking child. I have a brain and want to use it. To HELL with this game, to HELL with the unending dumbing-down of EVERY game made. I HAVE A FUCKING BRAIN. Yes, a few, very few games come out that appeal to me (ie. 'Wasteland 2', 'Age of Decadence', a few others in the last 15 years), but the incredible dumbing-down of games in the last 15 or so years is nauseating. I just pray for a blowback. But considering that the more stupid the game, the higher the sales? That blowback, if it comes, will be in the very, very distant future.
+IgnatzKolisch Stop using the cop out that it was dumbed down for consoles. The game sucks because Square and Eidos clearly don't understand what Thief is and tried to be more like a game that was inspired by Thief. Think about that for a minute, they obviously were jealous of the success Dishonored had and instead of focusing in on the clear principles of what a Thief game should be, they made it a triple AAA shitfest. The game would have sucked regardless of what platform it was aimed at.
Phantom Limb I actually agree with everything you said there. A lot of people take offence when I talk about appealing to "console kiddies", but some of the GREATEST (and I don't use that word lightly) games ever made were on consoles. Hell, I date back to the Atari 2600, I was born in the '70s, and some of those games still work well even to this day. Greatness in games transcends the year of release, and also the platform of release. You could, in theory, make a great Thief game on any platform. I just tend to use phrases like "dumbed down for the consoles" as a shorthand to describe a laundry list of simplifications and dumbings-downs that goes on in games. On the bright side, I do think straight-up Great games are still being made. I'm about 7 hours into Grand Theft Auto V right now, and I'm feeling like it's going to end up on my personal list of Great Games. And I'm pretty picky, if I'm to be honest about it. So Greatness (as I see it) is still to be found! And I really, really dream of a Great Thief game being made once again. But Thief "4" really, really was a shitfest, you're totally right; no matter what platform they released this steaming pile on, it would have sucked llama balls.
i have seen this in a few games now. well sort of. in thief it was stephen russell, and in splinter cell it was michael ironside, and for max payne they changed his iconic voice from the game to the dude in the movie. but the movie messed with the story to. such a waste.
I know I'm like years late, but visually the game is stunning i love the art and environment of the game HOWEVER story is trash, the simplicity is depressing, the illusion of stealth is embarassing and most of all the characters are super dull making this game feel like a video game and destroying the immersion not to mention quest markers. There is too much hand holding in this game and i was also mad they took out the mechanical eye. If they keep the visuals, but got the original team looking glass to do Thief 5 story, stealth engine, in game HUD, etc it would be great and I'm sure Stephen would come right on back.
Game is not bad just different different Times he become older i play all series of thief first and second was best but deadly shadows and thief 4 if you love series should be good.
wow even from that early trailer you could tell that this Game was fucked. "The Night... I own the Night" That definitiv something garett would say and not dialoge from some hack writter who wants to make his own Batman Knock off
It's part of the unreleased (leaked) soundtrack by Paul Weir -- it's just called "Cinematic", as far as I'm aware. soundcloud. com/earcom/sets/thief-unreleased-soundtrack
Would have been a lot better with the ability to mod it. The old games are still alive because of modders. This game could have been redone with modding to give us what we wanted, but obviously they don't want people messing with their perfect reboot. They would have made more money because people would buy it for the mods.
nick valentine, garrett, corvo, codsworth, karras, Xerxes, William Bedford Diego, Barbas the talking dog, the Daedric Prince Clavicus Vile, Belethor, and Mercer Frey. Goddamn this guys voice is everywhere
I can't stop listening over and over to this music and Stephen's voice... It's so awesome it makes me wanna cry.
I don´t care if Stephen´s voice get old. I really like how it sound, bring back memories and fits perfect to me.
You would love dishonored 2 then
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This is much better!!! Stephen Russell rules!!!
This SUBPAR reboot didn't deserve the illustrious Mr Russell, he deserves better dialogue. They missed out here, my favorite voice actor in the industry, all my favorite games he is involved in. Living legend!
While this is an improvement, it still doesn't sound right. Where's the cynicism and dark sarcasm he used to have? This is of course am issue with direction and script that a single actor couldn't hope to fix. Oh well.
+Joshua Day obviously forced to sound like this by the devs, fuck eidos montreal
LARGEFARVA Looking Glass was the heart and soul of Thief.
He isn't in control of the writing.
Unfortunately this game was destined to suck.
No - this was from a raw testing session that was pasted over the trailer without properly mixing it in (that is why the audio levels are way off) as this trailer with Stephen Russell's voice was just a concept test that was made for internal viewing only. This was from very early on during the development when Stephen Russell was invited to do some preliminary voice testing (there was no full script at that point and direction was in the artist's own hands because it was all very preliminary). Stephen Russell himself was many years older by this point and his voice had changed (I like his voice work even to this day, but his voice having become raspier is evident in his later voice roles and that is just him having aged), so one shouldn't even expect him to sound like he did all those years ago: while the sentimental part of me would have liked to see him in Thief once again, this is not even supposed to be the same Garrett (and for the record, had there been a Thief game after Deadly Shadows, it wouldn't have been the same Garrett in it either; it would have been a full reboot taking place in the real world in modern day). Romano Orzari does his job well as a different Garrett and I remember Stephen Russell having stated when asked at a convention by a fan that he has no grudge about Orzari having gotten the job - they are both just actors doing their job (Orzari himself played a prominent role in Assasin's Creed II and also performed in its live-action prequel movie).
Exactly, Niko. I remember following the news about this game, and when this particular trailer surfaced (leaked), employees at the game's official forums confirmed this being from an early testing session and it was just made for internal viewing as a test (I see you also followed the game's news).
I have to say, I grew up playing the *original*/*genuine* Thief games (the trilogy), and I loved those. I hated "THIEF". Tried to like it, but it was a very cheap knockoff, which attempted to make up for it with eye candy.
I think I might have liked it at least a little bit if they had kept Stephen Russell. Then it would at least have seemed like half an attempt at doing the series justice...
Tim Kelbell And he'd have ended up sounding like this and completely ruined the game anyway.
I’d absolutely love for thief to be made by Arkane studios, wish they could buy the IP- I think they are the only studio who could do the game justice. I just think how awesome the lore, story and games are the Thief series deserved books and movies set it that universe. Although the first 3 games are held in high regard, I just feel there was a lot of unfulfilled potential in the u inverse.Experiencing the atmosphere of gloom, story and art direction it just captivated me so much as with deadly shadows.
To be honest even with Stephen it wouldn't work. New thief has a different personality and goals. Old Garrett lived in an apartment and his main motivation to go stealing was paying the rent. In meantime he had to listen to countless annoying reminders from Keepers. New Garrett lives like some kind of super hero and has a strong kleptomaniac issues, because instead of selling his trinkets, he keeps them on proud display.
I want another Thief game with an older, more grizzled Garret and that girl he caught in Thief 3 as an apprentice. Russell just has that grizzled, experienced voice. You know?
I thought the girl in thi4f was her.
@@LokeshThakur What?
@@huntclanhunt9697 in thei4f garrett has an apprentice named erin, its up to interpretation but most fans think the girl he catches at the end of deadly shadows is her.
@@LokeshThakur I didn't know that! Very cool.
@@LokeshThakur It's not her. Thief 4 is set several generations after Thief 3. The Garrett of the first three games is long dead by the time of Thief 4, as is the girl he caught.
Perhaps they will pull a "Highlander 3" and pretend that this was never made. Thief 5, the do over.
one could only hope.
and hopefully start where garrett left off in the story line.
not this rewrite bullshit.
Yes please, dear God make this happen.
52262 933626 what do you think would happen? looked like he renounced actually being a thief to be the one true keeper. would it be the girl he caught stealing from him?
"Perhaps they will pull a Highlander 3 and pretend that this was never made. Thief 5, the do over." - "one could only hope.
and hopefully start where garrett left off in the story line. not this rewrite bullshit.and pretend that this was never made." Hate to break this to you, but had there been a Thief game after Deadly Shadows, it would have had nothing to do with the first three games, since it would have taken place in the real world in modern day.
Didn't quite sound like Garrett until he said "progress". I've not played Thief 4: Shit, but I read that the character was changed from being a hardheaded pragmatist to a "I thieve because it's WHAT I AM" kind of nonsense. The justification for going with a different actor seemed ridiculous, too - they needed someone who could do their own mocap stunts.
All the characters that had extensive choreographed moments had their voice actors performing in motion capture their own stunts while they were voicing them at the same time - it might seem ridiculous to you, but it is an increasingly common thing. As for Stephen Rusell's voice in this trailer, the voice came from a raw testing session that was pasted over the trailer without properly mixing it in (that is why the audio levels are way off) as this trailer with Stephen Russell's voice was just a concept test that was made for internal viewing only. This was from very early on during the development when Stephen Russell was invited to do some preliminary voice testing (there was no full script at that point and direction was in the artist's own hands because it was all very preliminary). Stephen Russell himself was many years older by this point and his voice had changed (I like his voice work even to this day, but his voice having become raspier is evident in his later voice roles and that is just him having aged), so one shouldn't even expect him to sound like he did all those years ago: while the sentimental part of me would have liked to see him in Thief once again, this is not even supposed to be the same Garrett (and for the record, had there been a Thief game after Deadly Shadows, it wouldn't have been the same Garrett in it either; it would have been a full reboot taking place in the real world in modern day as the old developers have confirmed).
@@NikoChristianWallenberg The trouble with pasting the same response to three people (at least) is that you miss things you're responding TO. I never said I expected him to sound like he used to, but I DID say that he sounded like Garrett after one or two lines. The mocap thing is still a terrible justification. My issues are with the change to his character, borne out by the Thief 4 we got - Garrett's personality was entirely changed, and whilst you can say it's not the same Garrett, the game is clearly trading upon our fondness for him by giving him the same name, a mechanical eye, and including some of the same characters from 1 & 2. Added to which, despite this being an internal test, they clearly _wanted_ it to be the same Garrett at one point because Russell was hired to do this voice work, and indeed cast him before being replaced; and the given reason for not hiring him was the aforementioned mocap nonsense, not because they didn't like his voice. So, it's the same Garrett with terrible writing and a change from "I thieve because the landlord's coming" to "I own the night!" nonsense. If the writing had been on par with the originals, a new voice could be forgiven.
Can't believe this is the same guy that voiced Nick Valentine in Fallout 4
Honestly you can hear even Stephen Russel having a hard time voice acting their version of Garrett,I honestly dont think that even if Stephen Russel were to voice act Garrett in thief4 that it would make a difference, I mean look at the freaking trailer, since when did Garrett the master thief became a freaking ninja? since when did morals and ethics really mean anything to him? since freaking when did the footstep sounds of hes freaking taping shoes were gone? think I didnt notice that did ya? no way Garrett is breaking into a mansion without these damn tapping shoes ill tell you that much.
thats not Garrett and those are not hes shoes!
Exactly. This game was not bad because Stephen Russel wasn't in it, this game was bad because it was a bad game. They ignored everything from the predecessors.
The real Garrett was a cynical, misanthrope. He wasn't a ninja and he didn't have lightning reflexes, if he did he wouldn't have had an eyeball plucked out.
He thought he was smarter and more skilled than everyone else around him and to *some* degree, SOME, that was true. He was the best of the Keepers when it came to being stealthy but disliked their methods. His youth spent on the streets gave him a craving for wealth and money but here's the thing, Garrett never got that wealth. When you play the first two games he remarks about having to meet rent and get food.
And yes, he did have "tap shoes". Because without them doing a job is *too easy* for him. Garrett wearing hard soled shoes that make a lot of noise when he walks is his way of giving himself a challenge becaus ethe only way he can find excitement in his work is to challenge himself. Like those people who say "I've beaten FF8 using only limit breaks with a single character and no items and no upgrades" You might look at them and think "Seriously?" But for that person it's fun. Similarly Garrett finds it fun to rob people blind while wearing hard soled shoes when he could just as easily go barefoot and not make a sound. It's his way of sticking a finger up at the guards and saying "Suck on this!"
Thief 4 made him into Batman with a stealing fetish like Catwoman. Someone who doesn't need to steal but does it for fun. Instead of someone who steals just stay fed.
Add to that look at him! What is with this uber-dark, scarred up gaunt-faced looking guy? Look at the artwork for Thief 2, Garrett has a nice face. He looks like a normal human being.
Why the change? Oh, well new-Garrett has to look badass like he's been going to fight club so he looks like a badass cause you don't wanna mess with him!
Garrett is supposed to look like a regular joe because then if someone sees him in a regular kind of setting he looks like a regular person and you don't suspect him of being a criminal. *That's the point*!
Designed by executive committee, I tell you. Just ticking off boxes of what people think they want.
And what annoys me most of all is when you go back to old PC games and the gameplay has so much more versatility. Cause they're not limited by controllers. So you have controls that let you control the character's body and allow for immersing yourself in the role. You can crouch, sure, but you can also lean to the left, right, lean forward and I could go on all day so I'm shutting up.
I just hate when people try to grab at old properties by trying to deliver what they think will be liked.
It had nothing to do with "Stephen Russell having a hard time voice acting their version of Garrett", this was from a raw testing session that was pasted over the trailer without properly mixing it in (that is why the audio levels are way off) as this trailer with Stephen Russell's voice was just a concept test that was made for internal viewing only. This was from very early on during the development when Stephen Russell was invited to do some preliminary voice testing (there was no full script at that point and direction was in the artist's own hands because it was all very preliminary). Stephen Russell himself was many years older by this point and his voice had changed (I like his voice work even to this day, but his voice having become raspier is evident in his later voice roles and that is just him having aged), so one shouldn't even expect him to sound like he did all those years ago: while the sentimental part of me would have liked to see him in Thief once again, this is not even supposed to be the same Garrett (and for the record, had there been a Thief game after Deadly Shadows, it wouldn't have been the same Garrett in it either; it would have been a full reboot taking place in the real world in modern day).
@Gideon October Thats why I recommend you ditching that game and playing a free and open source mod called "The Dark Mod" that takes inspiration after the Thief games, its quite good
Hitman series stayed with David Bateson and more or less sticked to their guns and they do fine. Thief series ended with a whimper due to creative direction changes.
Looks like you guys didnt follow the thief story at all, Garette was a fkn ninja because he was trained by the keepers, Garette was considered more agile / nimble than your average npc, and for the person mentioning his eye, dude he was literally fkn captured by two pagan gods.
Years ago, the first couple times I watched this I almost cried. I came back to it in 2018 and slowly felt the build up of opposite emotion, and then at 2:26 I finally lost it. This shit is fucking hilarious to me now.
I had no idea. It's not surprising at all that he would have been willing to come back. I just figured that they didn't ask...but here they HAD him involved and they nixed the idea...and this game's stock with me just went down again...if that's even possible.
+Capt777harris
Indeed it did not. There's a lot that could be said, but really, I say that it's not canon worthy and have done with it.
Michal Stopa Dude u will never believe it but I WORK with Steven Russell in a market in Wellfleet! Didnt even know he was who he was till today
As upset as I was about them not casting Stephen Russell, I'm glad they didn't. Because they cut him out, I didn't buy the game. Good thing, because it ended up being a Thief game in name only. Glad Stephen Russell wasn't associated with that garbage. Glad to hear him in Fallout 4 now :)
This is corvo attano voice awsome
It's just as well he didn't play Garrett I think - the script is all wrong. He's makes a good effort but he's got nothing to work with.
This by itself is better than the entire actual Thief 4 game. Still, even Russell couldn't have saved this game. Erin was, by far, the biggest drawback. I wanted her to die from the pre-credits sequence.
The thief levels were uninspired. They saved the bank level for DLC? That's stupid.
The new voice actor may sound younger, but he sounds bored as hell.
dat voice...dayum! Loved previous Thief games, because they were fun, good, innovative and mostly because of Stephen Russell`s voice acting. Damn, I feel old...
As for ``Thief``, it`s a letdown after three great games. I expected more.
The new ways of opening safes and disarming traps were good but what really hurt THIEF (2014) was no Stephen Russell, you not playing as the real Garrett, no sword or dagger, the extreme repeating of lines by enemy mooks, rope arrows not attaching to all sorts of wooden surfaces like ceilings, those damn bird cages, the fact that no Hammerites or Pagans or Keepers or even Mechanist remnants are around, the poor quality story, the terrible combat system, and that the universe was changed from a medieval setting with magic and electricity to a Charles Dickens-esque world.
This trailer is fckng masterpiece love Garrett from first game.
I'm so glad they didn't hire him in the end.
I hate playing Thief 4 because it doesn't have Stephen Russell as the voice of Garrett. Over the years I have played all three Thief games over and over and Stephen Russell has become Garrett to me. Now when I try playing the new game, it just makes me angry every time Garrett speaks. I can understand Russell's voice has aged a bit (not the same deep crisp voice as Garrett from Deadly Shadows even) but he was/is Garrett. Developers make a huge mistake because they essentially created a new game and so they should have named it something else and not Thief.
+Sadin15
Stephen Russell's voice wouldn't have even come CLOSE to saving this game. It's a piece of rat filth. I'm glad he didn't voice it, since that would have just been casting pearls into a pigsty. Stephen Russell not voicing the game made it an automatic no-deal for me, but then when I saw Let's Plays of it? I'm GLAD he wasn't associated with this absolute pile of rat feces. Another so-called game treating its players like unthinking, braindead 8-year olds. I'll pass. And sleep happy knowing that the tremendous voice actor Stephen Russell's reputation wasn't polluted by this filth.
That is actually pretty accurate. I have been a die hard thief fan since the 90s and I played all four games and dishonored, and dishonored wins when compared to this new thief.
Thief 2014 voice actor was great...don't know why everyone doesn't like him.
He did a great job i think, he wasn't the problem for the fans, that it was not stephen russel, the voice they fell in love with, was the problem for the fans and so the new actor couldn't win no matter how good he was from a neutral POV
Damn seems Mercer ended up getting away...
Hi Michael, I'm sorry I don't speak your language but how in the hell Stephen did this voice? you asked him to do this or they casted him in the first place and then kicked him out.
Metzergernstein The second option - Stephen was cast and confirmed as Garrett early on in development, but for some reason, Square-Enix later decided the motion-capture actor should do the voice, too. Regrettably, this also meant Stephen was effectively kicked out from development. There was a petition going around to bring him back, and he himself sent a message to the community at the Through The Looking Glass forums, but, unfortunately, nothing came out of it and Thief 4 came out with a far inferior voice-over.
I had my hesitations about "emo-Garrett" from this trailer, but the final game could have been so much better just with Stephen's voice. Sigh.
***** Question: why does this Garrett still look like a MoCap Romano Ozari if Stephen Russell was originally voicing him?
Joshua Day It's common practice for voice-actors to be separate from motion-capture actors, actually - it's part of the reason why Eidos' explanation for the change was such bullshit. It's been done in games practically since MoCap became a viable option for game developers.
***** Ah. I see. Thanks for correcting me.
Believe it or not, when the game got released I bought it in hopes that the voice actor would be the same...
didn'T check the trailers then I suppose? because the release trailer etc. revealed the chosen voice actor
Thank. GOD. that Stephen Russell wasn't associated in the end with this shit.
I was absolutely horrified that he wouldn't voice Garrett again, and vowed to not buy the game if he didn't. I was a vociferous advocate of the petition on his behalf. But it didn't matter, he didn't voice Garrett, ruining the character (as I thought at the time).
Then I read about the game, watched the first few videos of a Let's Play of it... what an abomination. What a typical dumbed-down console-fest targetted toward 9-year olds. I'm not a stupid, unthinking child. I have a brain and want to use it. To HELL with this game, to HELL with the unending dumbing-down of EVERY game made. I HAVE A FUCKING BRAIN. Yes, a few, very few games come out that appeal to me (ie. 'Wasteland 2', 'Age of Decadence', a few others in the last 15 years), but the incredible dumbing-down of games in the last 15 or so years is nauseating. I just pray for a blowback. But considering that the more stupid the game, the higher the sales? That blowback, if it comes, will be in the very, very distant future.
+IgnatzKolisch Stop using the cop out that it was dumbed down for consoles. The game sucks because Square and Eidos clearly don't understand what Thief is and tried to be more like a game that was inspired by Thief. Think about that for a minute, they obviously were jealous of the success Dishonored had and instead of focusing in on the clear principles of what a Thief game should be, they made it a triple AAA shitfest. The game would have sucked regardless of what platform it was aimed at.
Phantom Limb
I actually agree with everything you said there. A lot of people take offence when I talk about appealing to "console kiddies", but some of the GREATEST (and I don't use that word lightly) games ever made were on consoles. Hell, I date back to the Atari 2600, I was born in the '70s, and some of those games still work well even to this day. Greatness in games transcends the year of release, and also the platform of release. You could, in theory, make a great Thief game on any platform. I just tend to use phrases like "dumbed down for the consoles" as a shorthand to describe a laundry list of simplifications and dumbings-downs that goes on in games.
On the bright side, I do think straight-up Great games are still being made. I'm about 7 hours into Grand Theft Auto V right now, and I'm feeling like it's going to end up on my personal list of Great Games. And I'm pretty picky, if I'm to be honest about it. So Greatness (as I see it) is still to be found!
And I really, really dream of a Great Thief game being made once again. But Thief "4" really, really was a shitfest, you're totally right; no matter what platform they released this steaming pile on, it would have sucked llama balls.
i have seen this in a few games now. well sort of. in thief it was stephen russell, and in splinter cell it was michael ironside, and for max payne they changed his iconic voice from the game to the dude in the movie. but the movie messed with the story to. such a waste.
I know I'm like years late, but visually the game is stunning i love the art and environment of the game HOWEVER story is trash, the simplicity is depressing, the illusion of stealth is embarassing and most of all the characters are super dull making this game feel like a video game and destroying the immersion not to mention quest markers. There is too much hand holding in this game and i was also mad they took out the mechanical eye.
If they keep the visuals, but got the original team looking glass to do Thief 5 story, stealth engine, in game HUD, etc it would be great and I'm sure Stephen would come right on back.
Game is not bad just different different Times he become older i play all series of thief first and second was best but deadly shadows and thief 4 if you love series should be good.
wow even from that early trailer you could tell that this Game was fucked. "The Night... I own the Night" That definitiv something garett would say and not dialoge from some hack writter who wants to make his own Batman Knock off
Brakuje mi Russell'a. Jego rola Karras'a tho, Michale.
Are you sure it's Stephen Russell? It doesn't sound at all like his voice in the first three games.
+Mihai
It's him.
hes just gotten old is all. less testosterone = a voice that isnt quite as deep as it once was.
What's The Name Of The Music ?
I wanna know too
It's part of the unreleased (leaked) soundtrack by Paul Weir -- it's just called "Cinematic", as far as I'm aware.
soundcloud. com/earcom/sets/thief-unreleased-soundtrack
I don't like the Series of Unfortunate Events look of this trailer and game.
Dialog is still shit, literally unfixable.
the game actually looked a bit promising from this trailer, too bad it wasn't in real life
Would have been a lot better with the ability to mod it. The old games are still alive because of modders. This game could have been redone with modding to give us what we wanted, but obviously they don't want people messing with their perfect reboot. They would have made more money because people would buy it for the mods.
Hell naw this is far from promising
This video is so bad that it's almost good. But it's not.
If Garrett were a Bernie progressive....
his voice became too old :(