The damage drop-off stat is something that Crytek really need to add to weapon stats.. a visible damage curve of some kind so that we know how much damage we can do at different ranges and tailor our play accordingly!
It's fun to put on dual chain pistols, too. If you're going to run those at all, you're gonna want to turn buildings into swiss cheese and it's perfect at that.
@@wenzelplot if you have an extra $3000 Hunt dollars, get your squad and run double double dolch’s, nothing more fun than shooting the shit with the boys
@@uniquehedghog Your dear mother. Since RedEyes is her most-liked lover. She also told me to tell you to behave on the internet and to not insult your new dad.
Cent FMJ is kinda a sleeper hit to me, seems to be exactly double the effective range before damage dropoff (like it is for compact) while still having really competitive velocity at ~480m/s. and the obvious FMJ advantages of Pen and damage through pen. (and the headshot range increase, which is pretty big on it)
Super glad im stumbled across your channel, was in early adopter of hunt, majority of my 300 hours took place in the first 3 months after official release, this was long before ammo types, scrapbeak, heck you used to be able to pick your spawn point. Getting back into the game when desalle dropped there was a lot to learn. And im still learning. But your channel has definitely helped with getting back into the swing of things.
I wish the info you listed in the beginning was available to the plebs as well. Never knew FMJs had better pen than long ammo - or that they increased dmg dropoff ranges to 40 (!) meters. That's insane.
I actually ran FMJ compact ammo on a chain pistol with fanning two days ago. I got two kills on players by just punching holes at whatever gave me a reason. Not very skilled, me that is, but it seriously helps at close range and through some walls.
Thats why i love centennial now. 480 velocity with fmj rounds. 24 spare ammo with scottfield and cost about 320~$ at total. 39 rate of fire compared to lebel/mosin(32). Vetterli is better but i hate that ironsights and cant lead that good with 350 velocity.
@@impc8265 If that player can handle landing more than one shot, I don't think one tapping is much of a requirement. I do agree though that one tapping a hunter at 125 is hilarious though.
It's nice to see someone else preach the supremacy of the conversion pistol, I've been saying it's the best for a long time but I don't think I see enough people using it for fanning and dual wielding. I often use it with FMJs as a long range backup for a shotgun, without fanning.
honestly, videos like these has actually made me more aware of the gunplay of the game, and i've been really rocking it; just wish romero ranking was easier to do over the pistols.
I keep prestiging asap but am gonna try and focus on actually using different ammo types since I haven't really tried many at all. FMJ on compact ammo does seem particularly lethal and man the long ammo FMJ velocity decrease is funny as hell.
TBH the only reason I'm steering away from using any special ammo is because of it's extremely limited supply. I rarely find special ammo crates outside ammo cart and even if it only replenishes portion of your supply. The only weapon where I have no such qualms is Crossbow and bow since I can use normal bolts for general use and retrieve them as I go while keeping explosive or poison for special occasions.
fmj on a normal conversion is some of my favourite shit in hunt: showdown, there is nothing more satisfying than sniping people with that shit man, honestly on compact and medium fmj is almost a straight upgrade
Gave this a go tonight and got 4 kills... that extra pen is pretty legit, the slower velocity isn't an issue at close-medium range and i didn't have any ammo issues!
I'm sorry, did you say 40 meters is the range where FMJs start to drop off in damage? That's waaaay better than I thought! That two-tap range is insane.
not sure if compact fmj pistols starts losing dmg at 40m, cause that would be insane (a pax max 2 tap range is like 45m) uppercut also starts at 20m, despite being long ammo. so i think pistols just have different rules for dmg dropoff would be nice if we had actual stats in the store :/
i really love your videos, you deserve everything, i just wish the video quality would be better. for me i have sometimes problems seeing stuff because it's a bit pixalated. but great, great videos!
Do you know why FMJ Caldwell Conversion has longer headshot range then FMJ Scottfield? How does FMJ make compact dropoff slower then FMJ medium? Is it because of the bullet velocity difference plus the fact that it sets both to start severe dmg dropoff at 40m? I thought damage drop was only about distance, not time in flight of the bullet…
@@RachtaZ my friend figured it out. It’s because the headshot dmg buff was larger for compact than medium and since FMJ starts dmg drop off at 40m for both, the only slightly lesser dmg of the conversion pistol is more than made up for by the greater headshot multiplier for compact ammo
Hornet just convinced me to use FMJs, then you drop this lol. LeMat FMJ felt really good! Thanks for breaking this down, I never really knew how to value FMJs. Which do you prefer, Conversions or LeMat?
I’m only a 5 star but personally I prefer conversion for no fanning just single revolver use, but I love the lemat dual. The total round count of 18 and 2 shotgun shells for when things get really hairy have saved me from being 3v1 a couple times
at 7:51 how did he die before you hit him? im looking at the video, and keep rewinding it over and over and even in slow-mo, you jump at him..he falls over..he dies..then you strike
long fmj and spitzer start dropping off at 60m and long fmj holds damage slightly better than spitzer at +100m ranges but otherwise the curves are the same
I dunno, medium FMJ in a vetterli with a Schofield == sex. Its sorta like a budget Mosin, except you can top up the mag without losing a round. Option for silencer which can be good depending on your play style.
The only reason why I don't use fmj ammo is because it's special ammo. And usually when I have special ammo I NEVER find a single ammo box for special ammo on the entire map.
you aren't looking hard enough then. In the sniper towers they often have special ammo, along with every one of the 4 supply points on every single map.
@@Tallnerdyguy Yeah I meant except the supply points obviously. And I often look in towers, but like I said, special ammo is never there when I use it. Only when I have normal ammo, it spawns there.
Ignore weirdos Rachtaz I can understand your English perfectly. Also we all know you are legit they are mad they got 1 tapped at 5 meters, has to be cheats right?! LUL
I don't like wallbangs, I don't like long distances, I can't hit headshots, I think everything points away from FMJ ammo. Where's the ammo for someone who can't hit shots past 50 meters and get's 1 tapped if I miss a single time?
This is some really useful information but I feel like FMJ ammo needs some tweaking to be “balanced” since it comes with a ton of upsides and only one very minor downside. Kinda like slugs. I mean it’s fine if they just want it be a straight upgrade instead of a side grade to normal ammo, but I think the price would need to reflect that.
Rachtaz like use FMJ its the best, unless long ammo no. Then throws in clips with shotguns, sparks, etc. What!? Mister Self Flash what are you doing mang......say sorry. say sorry.
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Note: Compact ammo FMJ actually starts losing damage at 30m, not 40m.
My mistake
what about Medium FMJ like on Schoffield ? still 30m or ?
Which low cost pistol is best with FMJ? Thanks
@@richardlittle9975 Conversion is really good
@@thick9996 thanks man will try tonight!
@@richardlittle9975 good Luck
The damage drop-off stat is something that Crytek really need to add to weapon stats.. a visible damage curve of some kind so that we know how much damage we can do at different ranges and tailor our play accordingly!
Why?
@@tcccmno to demystify it, dorkass
@@tcccmno It is very important. Dropoff is significant for compact and medium ammo while it is barely relevant for long ammo, for example.
@@Omniseed Wow relax bigboi. I asked because I wanted to know.
I honestly don't think the maps are big enough to model that...
I adore the more analytical Hunt content, great video mate, very informative.
Amazing, i was always under the impression the lower velocity wasn't worth it but i didn't consider the extra range
Same here. Guess I'm running fmj now.
Same
It's fun to put on dual chain pistols, too. If you're going to run those at all, you're gonna want to turn buildings into swiss cheese and it's perfect at that.
quad dual chain pistols with fmjs is my go-to loadout.
@@wenzelplot if you have an extra $3000 Hunt dollars, get your squad and run double double dolch’s, nothing more fun than shooting the shit with the boys
@@redeyes8536 who asked?
@@uniquehedghog
Your dear mother.
Since RedEyes is her most-liked lover.
She also told me to tell you to behave on the internet and to not insult your new dad.
@@uniquehedghog you can find the answer on my channel
"What about long FMJ ammo?"
"NO. N O ."
I busted out laughing, funny and informative!
5:30 this man was about to box 2 meatheads XD
Cent FMJ is kinda a sleeper hit to me, seems to be exactly double the effective range before damage dropoff (like it is for compact) while still having really competitive velocity at ~480m/s. and the obvious FMJ advantages of Pen and damage through pen. (and the headshot range increase, which is pretty big on it)
yeah it's the best thing
Cent?
@@Zuignap centennial, could have made that more clear, sorry.
@@Sharsala that's no problem, but i'm new to the game so I didn't understand xD
@@Sharsala if it dealt atleast 125 dmg then it could be a good weapon
Super glad im stumbled across your channel, was in early adopter of hunt, majority of my 300 hours took place in the first 3 months after official release, this was long before ammo types, scrapbeak, heck you used to be able to pick your spawn point. Getting back into the game when desalle dropped there was a lot to learn. And im still learning. But your channel has definitely helped with getting back into the swing of things.
I wish the info you listed in the beginning was available to the plebs as well. Never knew FMJs had better pen than long ammo - or that they increased dmg dropoff ranges to 40 (!) meters. That's insane.
Beware of his edit in the comments. It is actually 30 Meters :)
I actually ran FMJ compact ammo on a chain pistol with fanning two days ago. I got two kills on players by just punching holes at whatever gave me a reason. Not very skilled, me that is, but it seriously helps at close range and through some walls.
Spray and pray is fun too
Haha oh, my sweet summerchild. You think THAT'S a broken voice? 😂❤
Thats why i love centennial now. 480 velocity with fmj rounds. 24 spare ammo with scottfield and cost about 320~$ at total. 39 rate of fire compared to lebel/mosin(32). Vetterli is better but i hate that ironsights and cant lead that good with 350 velocity.
BUT U CANT ONE TAP 125 HP HUNTER
@@impc8265 If that player can handle landing more than one shot, I don't think one tapping is much of a requirement.
I do agree though that one tapping a hunter at 125 is hilarious though.
3:00 you know it's a good clip when Rachta reacts to it with something other than "oke dud"
lmao that "NO" killed me lmao
It's nice to see someone else preach the supremacy of the conversion pistol, I've been saying it's the best for a long time but I don't think I see enough people using it for fanning and dual wielding. I often use it with FMJs as a long range backup for a shotgun, without fanning.
Just found your channel a few days ago, you got amazing shots. And that fmj conversion is great to know, I love those pistols
Man thanks for putting this out here I will definitely start using fmj more I already loved the Caldwell Conversion because of the fanning
5:33 That guy had huuge iron balls to fight 2 Meat heads with his Bare Hands 🤣🤣🤣
Lmao that James clip at the beginning was perfect
Why do you swap your weapons after you shoot with the pistol? Like... swap to mainweap and back?^^
Just habit, doesn't help anything
I still prefer the uppercut because bullet speed matters 🗿
Still new to Hunt, so I'm sure I'm missing something basic, but how do you have 4 uses on your medkit instead of 3?
Frontiersman trait
It’s crazy how this video shook up the game these last few months
honestly, videos like these has actually made me more aware of the gunplay of the game, and i've been really rocking it; just wish romero ranking was easier to do over the pistols.
I keep prestiging asap but am gonna try and focus on actually using different ammo types since I haven't really tried many at all. FMJ on compact ammo does seem particularly lethal and man the long ammo FMJ velocity decrease is funny as hell.
TBH the only reason I'm steering away from using any special ammo is because of it's extremely limited supply. I rarely find special ammo crates outside ammo cart and even if it only replenishes portion of your supply. The only weapon where I have no such qualms is Crossbow and bow since I can use normal bolts for general use and retrieve them as I go while keeping explosive or poison for special occasions.
Look in the towers too. They are more common than just supply points.
fmj on a normal conversion is some of my favourite shit in hunt: showdown, there is nothing more satisfying than sniping people with that shit man, honestly on compact and medium fmj is almost a straight upgrade
Gave this a go tonight and got 4 kills... that extra pen is pretty legit, the slower velocity isn't an issue at close-medium range and i didn't have any ammo issues!
Interesting stuff! I’m definitely going to try and test this out after I prestige.
this is why dual conversion pistol is not the same without fmj
2:07 i fucking lost it 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm sorry, did you say 40 meters is the range where FMJs start to drop off in damage? That's waaaay better than I thought! That two-tap range is insane.
not sure if compact fmj pistols starts losing dmg at 40m, cause that would be insane (a pax max 2 tap range is like 45m)
uppercut also starts at 20m, despite being long ammo. so i think pistols just have different rules for dmg dropoff
would be nice if we had actual stats in the store :/
you mostly talked about thr conversion but from what I got the same adtvantages/disatvantages apply to the lemat right?
Yes Fmj is the same for all
@@soulofcinder2007 No it isn't. The conversion has the lowest dropoff of any pistol. It also has the longest barrel
i really love your videos, you deserve everything, i just wish the video quality would be better. for me i have sometimes problems seeing stuff because it's a bit pixalated. but great, great videos!
I love the fmj buff it does turn to. Spec ammo but keeps good ammo count
Do you know why FMJ Caldwell Conversion has longer headshot range then FMJ Scottfield? How does FMJ make compact dropoff slower then FMJ medium? Is it because of the bullet velocity difference plus the fact that it sets both to start severe dmg dropoff at 40m? I thought damage drop was only about distance, not time in flight of the bullet…
Yeah that doesnt make much sense, Who knows maybe the store stats are wrong
@@RachtaZ my friend figured it out. It’s because the headshot dmg buff was larger for compact than medium and since FMJ starts dmg drop off at 40m for both, the only slightly lesser dmg of the conversion pistol is more than made up for by the greater headshot multiplier for compact ammo
what are the graphics settings you use? Looks like the game runs nicely on your pc, I'm trying to optimize my game so I can actually play.
Is this still up to date? If not, what changed?
Still same
Hornet just convinced me to use FMJs, then you drop this lol. LeMat FMJ felt really good! Thanks for breaking this down, I never really knew how to value FMJs.
Which do you prefer, Conversions or LeMat?
I’m only a 5 star but personally I prefer conversion for no fanning just single revolver use, but I love the lemat dual. The total round count of 18 and 2 shotgun shells for when things get really hairy have saved me from being 3v1 a couple times
hey which recording software are you using?
It makes damage dropoff start at 40m? That's actually insane. That would make it do more damage than the pax most of the time.
I'd recommend FMJ for the silenced Vettelli or silenced Sparks.
Both of those benefit the most from retaining their max damage further.
that muzzle velocity on the sparks though...
Man, you're the true gunslinger
After the price hike on the Uppercut I see myself using this more
at 7:51 how did he die before you hit him? im looking at the video, and keep rewinding it over and over and even in slow-mo, you jump at him..he falls over..he dies..then you strike
He bled out
@@RachtaZ Ahhh that makes sense.
Scared, heart attack
The sequence at 3:00 is the nastiest shit I've ever seen in this game, I was impressed, jealous and disgusted.
wait a minute with fmj a 26$ pistol keep it 104 dmg up to 40m or just 75+ for 2 tap on upper chest?
Keep it 104 dmg up to 40m and then start losing damage so two tap range is even longer
@@Kiwi-0033 *30m look at pinned comment
@@Tallnerdyguy thx for the update!
For me less sway go with fmj for better range damage is enought give you 18 rounds reserve and yes shoot through wall or some fence is bonus
Springfield dumdum + FMJ Conversion + ???? = Profit
dont forget fanning with it is also 100x better than uppercut
What song is on the background?
I like long ammo FMJs just for the ability to hit people through trees.
3:03 tell me that guy on the wall isn't a paid actor
Does sparks fmj have a ridiculously long range before it stops doing 149 DMG?
The range is also incerased yes, Idk how much tho
long fmj and spitzer start dropping off at 60m and long fmj holds damage slightly better than spitzer at +100m ranges but otherwise the curves are the same
never used FMJ, I think Iam gonna now. Thanks for the tip Rachta
This is gonna help my budget
I dunno, medium FMJ in a vetterli with a Schofield == sex. Its sorta like a budget Mosin, except you can top up the mag without losing a round. Option for silencer which can be good depending on your play style.
Except the muzzle velocity is very bad
@@Tallnerdyguy the MV is easy enough to deal with. Git gud.
holy shit those domes man
Chads use sparks silencer with fmj 😏
And a silenced fanning nagant backup
The only reason why I don't use fmj ammo is because it's special ammo. And usually when I have special ammo I NEVER find a single ammo box for special ammo on the entire map.
you aren't looking hard enough then. In the sniper towers they often have special ammo, along with every one of the 4 supply points on every single map.
@@Tallnerdyguy Yeah I meant except the supply points obviously.
And I often look in towers, but like I said, special ammo is never there when I use it. Only when I have normal ammo, it spawns there.
alec baldwin used fmj thank god
Hey slight correction: the muzzle velocity is 270 m/s, not 30 m/s. Makes a huge difference!
Its reduced by 30m/s which is 270 yes
@@RachtaZ that would make sense, evidently I misheard lol
I like Martrini hengy with convertion
So every other ammo type is a disadvantage? Got it
Čech, že ano? Český přízvuk poznám všude XDDD
6:20 just hit 115 since then 🥶
Uppercut can kill everybody who lost at least 1 bar but conversion cant
but Uppercut so satisfying to use
Muzzle velocity #1
Oh damn i want to learn from you man :)
damm good that im seeing this right now
As for long ammo, NO. Hillarious
i’m almost done unlocking FMJ for the Scottfield, i wanna run it in pair with Silenced Vetterli 😈
You're gonna beat me to it. I'm impressed by more than one person trying to get that combination.
We was just having a debate on the Hunt server about the uppercut, people think it’s OP. I disagree.
I don't consider it OP. It sits nicely in it's niche and is nice to run with a shotgun if you dont want to spend the points on Quartermaster.
Is this still the case?
Yes
Righteous
Rachta when he gets a kill
'This one is perfect for my gamer montage'
Also, I'd love to see if you can extract by playing solos against Trios.
there are several videos where he's done that. Sort by most popular and there you go.
i like to wallbang the walls
I think we all know this will get nerfed... it's practically an uppercut for under 100 bucks...
Ignore weirdos Rachtaz I can understand your English perfectly. Also we all know you are legit they are mad they got 1 tapped at 5 meters, has to be cheats right?! LUL
I don't like wallbangs, I don't like long distances, I can't hit headshots, I think everything points away from FMJ ammo.
Where's the ammo for someone who can't hit shots past 50 meters and get's 1 tapped if I miss a single time?
it's called the getgud ammo type, available for all guns.
2:04 And what about long ammo? ..... NO xD
i hope i never get high enough rank to face you or others of your ilk, those headshots are too fast/consistant i just cant deal with that
just turn off sbmm
@@impc8265 wouldn't that let me, an unsteady 4 star, match with people at higher mmr?
Assssss chhheeeeeekkkssss!!!!
What bothers me about the conversion pistol is the shitty sound it has, sounds like a pop tart.
Lol
so FMJ caldwell conversion is same pen as martina FMJ? That's incredible, I had no idea.
another disadvantage is the loss of the one shot kill for hunters that are missing 25hp
No because ur skill is insane
This is some really useful information but I feel like FMJ ammo needs some tweaking to be “balanced” since it comes with a ton of upsides and only one very minor downside. Kinda like slugs. I mean it’s fine if they just want it be a straight upgrade instead of a side grade to normal ammo, but I think the price would need to reflect that.
Rachtaz like use FMJ its the best, unless long ammo no. Then throws in clips with shotguns, sparks, etc. What!? Mister Self Flash what are you doing mang......say sorry. say sorry.
Quick, to the point information spiced with humor? Sub him, bois!
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Fmj its now 50 :c
Caldwell is around 50 too... it's still worth it in my opinion
4:28 and 2:06
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I am potato at long range so fmj dont give me immediate benefits. Sad hunter
Great for wallbanging at close range...
100% AIM mod.
Long Ammo FMJ? *NO*