Earthling Ed: The End of Veganism?
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- Опубліковано 31 січ 2024
- We recently had 'Earthling Ed' @ed.winters the PBN podcast for the 3rd time to discuss Ed's newly released book 'How to Argue With a Meat-Eater (and Win Every Time).
We also spoke to Earthling Ed about the vegan movement and the struggles it currently facing through misinformation, cellular agriculture, and much more!
Listen to the full episode with Ed here - plnt.news/pod120
Get Ed's new book 'How to Argue With a Meat-Eater (and Win Every Time)' here - www.howtoarguewithameateater....
0:00: 📚 Debating meat eaters effectively is essential for promoting plant-based diets, as discussed in Earthling Ed's book.
4:33: 💡 Reflecting on past perceptions to improve vegan advocacy techniques for better engagement.
8:48: ⏳ The power of patience in influencing change and the gradual process of personal transformation.
13:18: ⚠️ Challenges of combating misinformation in the digital age and human resistance to change.
17:26: ⚠️ Challenges in promoting plant-based diets due to media bias and misinformation.
21:48: 🌱 Impact of media coverage on a vegan business going into liquidation.
25:40: 💥 Challenges in overcoming divisive narratives perpetuated by right-wing parties through weaponizing popular ideas.
29:58: ⚖️ Misinformation surrounding processed plant-based alternatives and red meat's healthiness.
33:30: 🌱 The shift from veganism to a carnivore diet and the emergence of conspiracy theories around plant-based food.
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Listen to the full episode with Ed here - plnt.news/pod120
Why do you have to "argue with a meat eater?"...why cant you just let others eat what their bodies need to be healthy & fit?
Keep in mind YOUR ancestors ate MEAT...not only did they eat meat they survived on meat allowing you to be born.
Live and let live...dont tread on someones diet.
"Live and let live" 😐 If only we let the animals live...@@jansmith3158
@@yogaofhealth1800 wth is a a lower chakra lol
you're ancestors ate meat that gave you life. Meat heals the body. Please explain why so many former sick vegans including fromer vegan doctors switch back to eating meat & heal their bodies? @@PLANTBASEDNEWS
this guy Ed is a CULT vegan leader. creepy. Do you see he is a CULT leader??
Being a vegan was the furthest thing from my mind until UA-cam recommended Plant Chompers to me. Those videos convinced me that my health depended on reducing animal foods and increasing plant foods. At some point, UA-cam recommended Earthling Ed. Every college student Ed debated brought up all the same objections that I had used in the past to dismiss veganism. I kept saying after each of these arguments, "Now, what are you going to say at that, Ed?" His methodical deconstruction of each of these, hearing his arguments over and over again with different students, finally convinced me to go vegan.
Funny. I was doing keto for a few years and was pretty happy with the diet and the results. Never was a huge meat eater but ate it about 3-5 times per week for most of my life. I was never anti-vegan specifically. Never gave vegans much thought one way or another. But I had been regularly consuming content like Dr. Berg, Sten Ekberg, Nina Teichoiz and that sort for a few years while going on keto. So my views reflected theirs mostly, though I always retained a moderate degree of unsureness about some aspects, i.e., being marginally open to other arguments at least.
Then some random commenter under some video I was viewing (maybe a Teichoiz video?) cited Plant Chompers about something related to the topic being discussed. Which I looked up out of curiosity and consumed some of his content. And then it was off to the races for me. Dropped keto soon thereafter, and started down the path of plant-based. The pieces just began to fit better and more cohesively for me on every level; environment, health, financial, ethics, etc.
you should look up these former sick vegans that went back to eating meat after years of vegan diet
channels: Earther Academy (he is a doctor who was vegan for 15 years became sicker and sicker swtiched to carnviore), Steak and butter gal (she was a vegan for 6 years, got sick on the vegan diet and switched to carnivore), Nutrtion with judy (12 years got sicker and sicker and ended up with an eating disorder on vegan diet then switched and healed on carnvore), Dr Hamilton (he was a vegan & was in vegan documentaries now feels that the vegan studies where lies and has swtiched back to eating meat).
Meat heals the body. Your ancestors survived eating meat so you could be born. Think about that.
IS veganism a CULT?? ask this question daily.
@@jansmith3158 No but the meathead industry surely is.
Same✌️
@@jansmith3158 One of the things I love about the plant-based community is that they frequently cite scientific studies rather than anecdotes. Plant Chompers is just wonderful in taking deep dives into these studies, identifying good ones and bad ones.
Ed is such a great spokesman, never gets flustered, never fails to produce a logical argument. No wonder Piers Morgan won't debate him.
Ed's a conman. He relies on propagating veganism for a living.
Piers Morgan can't debate. He just never stops yelling idiocies.
@@Corilo91🤭🤭🤭
Piers is one of the most ignorant idiots on the planet. Loves the sound of his own voice. Hard to believe he got famous, as he's talentless.
They're even both based in London, right? You'd think it'd be a no-brainer!!
This is the BEGINNING of Veganism!
@@lovemetal4884yup!! 🤣🤣🤣✌️
@@lovemetal4884 Are you vegan bud?
@@lovemetal4884 here there is only one true joke: yourself.
@@manumaster1990
Now say that without crying soyboy
@@lovemetal4884 So you prefer killing cute defenseless animals? Maybe you should be the one locked in a cage...sounds like there's something very mentally wrong with you if you like to inflict pain upon others
Went vegan back in 2006 and celebrating my 19th anniversary this month. Very educational video, thank you.
🎉Happy vegan declaration day!🎉
Happy vegananniversary month 💚
No disrespect, but unless you're somehow living in 2025, don't you mean 18th anniversary? Haha
@@Hubcool367 depends on the month.
Congratulations.
Well done🐽
💚
I never stop learning from Ed! His Ted talk is why I went vegan overnight at 49! I’ll have 5 years in may
We are only getting started. We will create a more humane and healthy world❤
your deluded by propaganda noting healthy about eating plants
And the solution to health is to eat like a cow? Seriously?
@@roychui6694I don’t eat grass 😂😂😂😂😂
@@conniefitzpatrick8273 when I was working in the temple choke full of vegan food I used to insult it and call it cow food. And I call vegans cows. Needless to say I am not working there anymore. And I detest veganism to the zenith.
@@conniefitzpatrick8273 we used to joke amongst meat eaters you don't need to mow the lawn. Just get a few vegtards to eat the grass.
Great show this is the beginning of veganism. Well done Ed, can’t wait to read your new book. I’m 65 whole food plant based for 4 years and feel amazing. Mentally, physically, feeling a sense of worth towards all animals and the planet. ❤
Hey colleague, I am going to be 65 this year and have been vegan for a while. Good to find people of my generation who turned to veganism. Thanks for awakening.
I'm also 65. I've been vegan for 11 years and loving it!
@@GreenVegan816 yeah! The super club!
Been vegan for 4 years too and I feel the same 😊
@@TurtlePlant plant based < vegan
Never stop speaking up for the animals.
🌿Never, because we are brave, kind and unselfish. 💚
The animals that won’t exist in the future.
@AntidoteX2 good for them
You speak, I eat.
@@happycarnivore5481another cowardly troll
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win" ❤
We've already won. Mankind is not vegan and never will be...didn't even need to _fight._
@@pacmanmcgavin7034who pays you to be in the comments in so many vegan videos leaving comments with no meaning no one cares about?
Nobody has to pay me to do what's right, sister.@@silly_blind
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 how do your comments have any impact whatsoever? and i’m not a woman
How do yours? It's a public forum and I represent the position of society, little brother.@@silly_blind
Vegan dietitian here and my biggest daily struggle is having to deal with the misinformation and pseudoscience on social media! It truly drives me crazy! There’s always a new fad out there that people jump onto. Currently I’m constantly seeing the natural fallacy people who are all about eating meat and butter and beef tallow and ugh.
Just exhausting truly.
And don’t even get me started on antinutrients!
And Bradley Johnston omg
Yes it is hard to meet those people with humility. Ed does it so well, with zero aggression or antagonism, that’s the key skill I think
There is no evidence that a vegan diet is healthy for any stage of life, but there are relevant risks for developing nutritional deficiencies.
I could listen to Ed forever
The audio version is longer 🤩
There are more vegans now than at any time in the past!
The human population is larger than ever before.
The percentage of vegans in the whole of humanity is higher than ever, too.
We need lobbying to make animal use/exploitation illegal so that we don't have to depend on consumers making mindful and careful vegan choices.
There will always be a percentage of people who will never give a shit about the well-being of others, and there is the higher percentage of the population that only does what's right if it's the social norm.
84% quit.
@@om-boi that's a dangerous position to take. What's stopping the other side from making vegan or plant based illegal? There are many times more omnivores than vegans. Or take any other position you have, what if others outlawed it or forced you to adopt their own beliefs. People need to be free to research and decide for themselves what's best for them.
@@om-boi Prohibition never works. The only real way to change the world is global education. That's how racism went from being widely accepted and even institutionalized to being considered an idiocy.
here are some former vegans who went back to eating meat because of malnutrition on the vegan diet channels: Earther Academy (15 years vegan then switched back to eating meat. He is a doctor), Dr Hamilon (was prominate in the vegan community he switched back to eating meat feels now the vegan studies where lies), Steak and butter gal (6 year vegan then switched to meat eating), Nutrition with Judy (12 years vegan now eats meat which healed her body too including a eating disorder she developed on the vegan diet and healed eating meat).
Is veganism a CULT? (ask that question daily).
All this talk about plant based alternatives, just shows me how far things have come, its a good sign .
I remember back on 1982 , there was literally no food labled vegan in the super markets and when i was introduced to my local mp that i was vegan , he responded , you spund like you come from another planet , ha ha.
But really vegan ideal is having an effect now , we are being taken seriously, thats why there is this push back now.
What ever is thrown at us , will fall by the wayside , go go go.
Yes. When I went vegan in 1997, no one knew what veganism was, when I said I was vegan. No one. Then I'd tell them and they'd say, "But you eat eggs, right?" This was after I'd anyway said that I don't eat any animal products, etc. Then they'd ask if I ate some other animal product, it was just so foreign of an idea to even think about. But it's been years now, that everyone has known what it was, when I mention it. Slowly but surely, we're getting there. They have to know what it is first (usually), before making the actual change.
even 6 years ago when i went vegan there was only 1 or 2 cheeses to choose from, and they were both daiya. now every grocery store i go to in my city has 2-10, its amazing! such a good selection
@@jessicaveganjessica2208 I agree we are getting, I feel we need more visionary content, to show where we are going , be bold, even if people ridicule , meta physical stuff.
The vegan world is coming anyway, nice to hear your story
"vegan alternatives" = growing food in a warehouse in chemicals = look up this is there plan!! Do you really want to eat chemical warehouse veggies? these veggies are already in some grocery stores. WAKE UP. watch "Dr Fuellmich grand jury day 1' = see what is really going on.
@@bunaynayslaywhy do you need cheese imitation?
I became an ethical vegan on 2023/12/17. I added one more to the cause.
🎉Happy vegan declaration day!🎉
Thank you for being a smart and compassionate human being 🎉
@@baganbobik9312 I am in my 60s. Never too late.
What about all the life that used to live in the fields as far as the eyes can see? ALL GONE! From worms to birds and everything in between... Weeds, trees, Birds, flowers, bees, Mice, foxes, Coyote, Deer, elk, moose, bears, fish, turtles, frogs, Cats, weasels, skunks, golfers, snakes, and lizards. As far as the eyes can see, YES, GONE! With no place to live. Poisoned with herbicides and pesticides..... Chemical fertilizers. Run off the rivers and the seas. What about the factories that make that crap. Pollute the air. Animals like cows, lambs, and chickens pigs replenish the earth naturally. Vegans fart more than cows... Vegans will attack, ignore, and caveitch over this, and get it deleted...
3/22/92 here
Love how Ed has focused on university students where he can actually make real change ❤❤❤
every vegan is an advocate and we all have to be on the ready! thanks to you both pbn and ed 👏🏽👏🏽
You have
💚Sanity✔️
💜Mental stability✔️
💛Moral consistency✔️
❤Empathy✔️
💙Compassion✔️
🎉Good job.
Every meat eater is also an advocate, and there are 99x as many of us.
I agree with most people we are just beginning ❤
One of the challenges that veganism faces is that it needs to do more to promote itself through advertising and marketing. One of the essential ways the animal agriculture industry maintains its dominance is through commercials and marketing campaigns that litter our landscape.
So true, but they don't have the budgets that these awful corporations have.
@@sschreck08what you mean? The broccoli 🥦 lobby is loaded! 😂
One of the challanges vegansism faces is very low interest
We need some vegan philanthropists. You’d hope there would be some.
Milk, it does a body good. Beef, it's what's for dinner. People don't recognize these as ads. They associate them as health awareness commercials. If plant based did the same, we might make progress.
What made me "Go" Vegan, was logic. I'm actually embarrassed it me took so long to realise the harm I was doing to animals due to my own ignorance.
here are several long term vegans that got sick and switched back to eating meat to heal their sick vegan bodies.
channels Earther Academy (he is a doctor was vegan for 15 years but now knows that meat heals the body), Steak and butter gal (she was a sick vegan for 6 years healed eating meat), nutrtion with judy (she was a sick vegan for 12 years eats meat now), Dr Hamilton (he was prominate in the vegan community and was featured in several vegan documentaries he eats meat now and feels the vegan studies were lies).
see both sides. keep an open mind.
@@jansmith3158 its not possible for everyone, its not as easy as some might think, but only because someone switched back because of health issues, its obviously not a point against veganism.
@@jansmith3158 Cool story. Animal flesh is not a heal all health potion like in some kind of video game. Eating a plant based diet and being vegan are two very different things , when will this point click with people.
here are two doctors that switched from vegan to carnviore diet channels: Earther Academy (he was a vegan for 15 years but became sick he says meat heal the body) and Dr Hamilton (he was a sick vegan too and has been in vegan documentaries believes now the vegan studies are a lie) worth your time. Remember your body needs to be in good health to make money & to live a happy life. Long term veganism will make you deficient in many vitamins & Minerals that you can get from meat. Aloha@@ssabykoops
@@ssabykoopsas long as you understand that no one is obligated to adopt your lifestyle, who cares what the difference is.
Number of plant based alternatives still massive in comparison to where we were at 10 years ago.
I still eat too many but wfpb is the way to go. Hopefully us plant eaters move to wfpb
We can advocate better if we look healthy
@@Benjaminimizewhy do you need alternatives? I thought plants suffice you? You dont want to eat food that resembles in every possible way animal abuse do you?
@@Benjaminimize why?
@@ostamaza22-yt4sqalternatives are for those who don't wanna give up familiar foods with their taste and texture, but don't wanna hurt animals at the same time. But many vegans still mostly eat whole plant foods with occasional treats of those alternatives.
Since when do chicken look like nuggets and cows look like patties?
@@ostamaza22-yt4sq
Such a level 0 retardation
I really appreciated listening to two compassionate intelligent people discussing this topic. Great questions and great responses. Lots of info to chew on and think about. Thank you to both of you!
We have a choice: Accept things the way they are or accept responsibility for changing them. A huge hurdle for humanity! Peace for humanity begins on our dinner plate
My family dr told me,‘what ever you’re doing, keep doing it!’ Vegan since 2001. I did fall off a couple of yrs during college and became sick more often with acne too. I haven’t been sick since 2015, during the pandemic I ran out of deodorant and realized I have no BO. Even after training! So, I stopped using even the natural ones. I asked around to sniff test me and I was clean smelling without deodorant! My skin is clear too I rarely break out. I wish I’d started even younger, I had terrible periods and I’m sure it was dairy related as I was vegetarian before and eat far too many dairy products. I never had beyond burger, I no longer buy packaged foods either. Your taste buds change. I also at the same weight without dieting. I eat full plates too. I cannot imagine ever eating dead flesh, you are what you eat!
People breakout from not eating meat and only eating plant based food. Check out, Stick and Butter Gal.
I am so glad that both you and Joey have your own styles. Joey Carbstrong is very effective and won me over and now that I'm watching you I see the other side of it and I believe both of you can reach both sets of people. Some people need to hear the truth a little more forcefully like Joey's method and there's some people who like the more softer approach that you give. You both are very well versed gentleman in your knowledge and I just want to say Thank you very much.
Yes they're both amazing! Do you know about that vegan teacher?
@@LATFA. I'm not familiar with that vegan teacher who is he?
@@Rescue127 she is a really big animal rights activist, however people aren't very nice to her.
@@LATFA. It's probably because she tells the truth. I would like to hear her speech. What is her channel name?
@@Rescue127 That Vegan Teacher @ThatVeganTeacherUA-cam
I’ve been living a vegan lifestyle for 20 years now. I’m getting really tired of the word vegan being equated with a silly diet.
A big part of the problem is that people seemingly don’t understand what vegan means or what the reasoning for adopting a vegan lifestyle and then they end up arguing against something they’d actually prefer. Ie. less animal cruelty, less water pollution, less air pollution, less disease and suffering. These are things everyone wants but they end up ridiculing the idea and fighting against it.
Vegan is not a diet.
We're all for improving agricultural practices, but that doesn't mean eliminating livestock as a food source. Vegans appear to have an all or nothing attitude that really misses the mark and makes you sound like fundamentalists.
@@CarnemexadaVeganism is an abolitionist movement. If dogs and cats were forcibly bred just to be slaughtered, would you argue to simply improve they way they are treated better slaughtered or to completely ban it?
@@fumanboy I would argue to improve standards for welfare. I'm not against eating any non-human animal.
Such a great interview! 👌 Only wish it was longer😏 I look forward to readign Ed's book when it finally is released end of February (Canada)😊
veganism isn't falling. In my opinion, it's about to grow, 2019 a lot of grifters jumped on the veganism bandwagon and them left once they got found out or ran to the next fad! in the next 10 years, it will be the norm!
Yes, every year its just around the corner, we're almost there, everyone is just about to jump in, if not this year then definitely next year, or maybe year after that!😂
Growing like a sunflower 🌻 which is sometimes used as a symbol of veganism! I think it represents growth.
@@LATFA. Have you taken inspiration for your username from the video where a guy screams leave the animals the fuq alone and looses tooth at the same time?
Every year the environmental degradation gets worse and harder to ignore so more and more people come over. I only hope most can differentiate between vegan wfpb.
Nah more people are realising the importance of meat to their diet.
What an interesting chat. I feel like you guys hit many of the pain points vegans have while trying to change the world. Time to buy that book 📖
"All the flowers of all the tomorrows are in the seeds of today..." ☮🕊💚🌱
I love that expression! Thanks for that
It’s a slippery slope when they are still eating animals and pretend to be vegan, imao
Advertising is the biggest weapon animal users have, and backed up by media and government.
It is so big and powerful that we should not be as successful as we are, even though relatively small.
But we are only because we are truth in every important way for this world as well as morally better.
In fact with that last paragraph we should be doing even better, and we certainly would if all vegans spoke out more.
It's about survive on planet earth. People realize that their ancestors survive eating MEAT...not veggies which would have been impossible to store 100 - 500 years ago without the highways/supermarket chains we now have.
Check out channel Earther Academy = he is a doctor who was vegan for 15 years...got sicker and sicker got down to 127 pounds eating veggies...he started to eat meat after 15 years without it....he healed his body. he is now a carnviore. Says that he realizes now that veggies dotox and cleanse the body but, meat heals the body.
The thing that changed me to eat more plant food wasn't after seeing Earthlings etc it was because after watching Seaspsiracy and Twin experiment they were able to connect my food to human slavery. As a black person this hits more than anything.
For me connecting my food to human issues was the way it was going to get me. Like when I found out about Blood diamonds I immediately am repulsed if people show off diamond engagement rings.
I think for some who grew up in certain places we are comfortable killing our own animals and we don't overfish or overconsume it is very hard to switch but when you connect our food to human suffering? then yes you got me! I don't even eat avocados as much due to the war with them.
May be a different angle for people to eat less meat. This is why I consider myself plant-based and not vegan as I am concerned with human life over animals and thats just how my brain works.
It seems like you care about animals since that's why you stopped paying for it. So why do you consider humans lives more valuable?
It’s an interesting cultural viewpoint as well, definitely another angle to be aware of so thanks for that. Edit; as Ed said, ‘meet people where they are at’
Animals are also slaves to humans and are treated like things. There are a lot of similarities between human and animal slavery
I think people also need to be taught what conpassion feels like. Around the world many animals are slaughtered on the streets and children grow up learning to slaughter animals so they have forgotten compassion. If a child sees death the very first time ot affects them but on there second time they grow accustomed to it and dont see any cruelty.
As a former cattle raise, though thankfully small scale, you do get numb to it. But I'm whole foods plant based these days thanks to greater health knowledge and planet health.
Got to meet this eloquent young man a couple of week's ago in Bristol, UK. He's a wonderful advocate; measured, informed, passionate and overwhelmingly convincing. Go Ed! Keep changing the world
great discussion guys thanks 😊
Feeding 8 billion people is not easy even in a best case scenario. Nonetheless feeding 80 billion land animals is 100 times harder.
Not really. We've been doing it for quite some time now.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 And look at what it is doing to our planet
What's it doing?@@FM-qm5xs
Exactly. Not only that, but most plant based foods continue to regrow, giving us an endless supply of food, it's perfect for us. Even people in rural areas tend to eat more vegan food because it's cheaper and can be grown.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034you do realize that it was sustainable in the Middle Ages but as clearly proven by many Goobal Health Organizations, it is not sustainable for 8 billion people. It is literally killing the earth
Really good interview! Thanks for posting. Going to have to get Ed's book.
To have a debate with a person defending the exploitation of animals is a huge exercise in patience, poise, and intestinal fortitude.
'truth is what you get other people to believe' - tommy smothers❣
I’ve been vegan over 4 years. I’ve never had an impostorable burger. I’ll have a veggi burger tho! Fake cheese is wack. But cashew yogurt and plant based cultured cheeses are delicious.. good luck!!
Whole Foods for the win!!
Wow, what a great discussion between two animal lovers trying to make the world a better place
I also think de-politicizing veganism is necessary in some ways too. The left tends to be more accepting of veganism, but I've met plenty of liberals who hate on vegans just as much as conservatives. However, I live and have lived my entire life in more conservative areas and I dont think these people are evil or bad. Many are moderate and not as extreme as the left likes to think and vice versa. Media divides us and polarizes us more than anything i think because when you have actual conversations with people, we have more in common than we often think, we just have different perspectives on an issue but more often then not we are trying to solve the same problem or just have different takes on an issue. And people get defensive when it comes to their beliefs and lifestyles and i have found the best way is to approach the issue of veganism with compassion and understanding and meet them where they're at. I think if more moderates & right leaning people are exposed to a vegan or plant based lifestyle they'll be more open to exploring it and respecting it when they see people thriving on the lifestyle. I think the extremes on both political parties are not good and neither are too friendly towards vegans. I have been vegan for 6 years, i am married to a non vegan who is open to the lifestyle since i have shared with her my recipes and explained how the lifestyle isnt as difficult as people make it out to be. My family is conservative to moderate and i always happily share my food with them during holidays, they have become quite accomodating too and make certain shared dishes vegan and they have been surprised how its not as inconvenient as they believed and they usually enjoy the meals i prepare. I hope that more people will go vegan regardless of political affiliation and it will become more widely accepted and not just considered a "woke" thing.
Great interview.
Catchy title!
The next era of veganism needs all of these to make any progress:
-engaging SMART people using RESPECTABLE tactics. no harassing strangers, no slogans, no trying to appeal to the most number of people by watering down the intellectual integrity of the philosophy. no trying to recruit easily manipulated people because it’s easier than recruiting useful, intelligent people
-good ethic frameworks. no utilitarianism, no reducing suffering, no cultural relativism.
-no pseudoscience, no dubious psychology/sociology claims saying direct action is the best most efficient strategy.
- NEW creative methods. no more trying to copy Joey Carbstrong and doing it worse, no more trying to copy Ed and doing it work. bringing YOUR personality and skills into the equation.
-NO preaching to the choir. We should be reaching outsiders,
-Leading by positive example. Live a happy, fulfilling life. Be a charismatic leader. Be an inspiration.
🙏💪💚
basically your post is what Cult followers do to suck in new cult followers. Do you realize this?
Are you are vegan cult follower not able to think on your own?
Are you a charismatic leader and an inspiration?
Veganism will never happen. Best be realistic if you want to help animals, maybe protest for animal rights in non food related circles, or advocate for higher farming standards. You’d have more luck that way
@@Veganismdebunked812 veganism is always morphism into something new so it doesn't even mean anything to say it will or won't happen. judging by the videos on your channel youve never even talked about veganism before as we understand it.
vegans absolutely do do advocacy in non-food institutions of animals use. dont you ever see the news stories of vegans storming horse racing track etc?
again they use lowest-common-denomiator tactics for these events so I don't hold it as that high of value. it's super easy to recruit dumb easily emotionally manipulated people like that type of people who go to horse races, but why target these people? the use of animals in circus, zoos, races isn't a priority in terms of numbers but it holds symbolic significance to our relationship to animals. unfortunately a lot of the tactics vegans use play into that same narative of thinking of animals as cute, innocent playthings to try bridge an emotional gap. I think we need to move beyond this.
I pray for Ed’s strength! Hoping that his presentations and books increase peoples’ awareness- he’s such a light in the world of humanities’ current dark narratives. 🌟
Eloquent-Earthling Ed. You inspire me and my teams to do even more as academic clinician-scientists. Yet another scientific article is in the works as reaching health professionals, public health authorities, and politicians is another important way of reaching the public. Thank you for all that you do. Professor-E
Great discussion!
That was really wonderful! Thanks to both.
Excellent exchange!
Fabulous.
Excellent information. I’m in the US and here waiting for my book to arrive with bated heart.
Thank you for everything you do 💚
I could listen to Ed for hours, he is so interesting and I always seem to learn something new from him. Thanks PBN
Glad you enjoyed!
I appreciate Ed so much because I’ve very much become that mean vegan that goes off in people. 😂 There are times when I just send the facts but sometimes when they troll it sets me off. But totally right that we should definitely treat them how we would have wanted to be treated. 💗
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I’ve talked with many ranchers on discord farming forums…. They don’t spray their pastures with pesticides or avinicides or rodenticides … but strawberry growers do
The thing is: cows do eat food that has been treated with pesticides. Maybe different farmers, but not less chemicals.
@@k.h.6991 the cattle are sprayed with pesticides to protect against screwfly, ticks, and mites … but cattle are not fed hazardous chemicals… please don’t reply without first educating yourself
This man is killing it. Veganism has a bright future
I believe that veganism poses an existential threat to humanity and many of us are prepared to fight against it.
I love We The Free’s coaching approach the 3minute movie challenges have been great, also the free online training (I’m a bit biased of course:). I think the pandemic really took a toll but I also think it was a wake up call. Seeing a lot of new faces in Toronto joining us. 👊🌱
Can you please share where did you buy the headphones from? I recently realized that most of the headphones are not vegan.
2016-2019 was a golden period, yes. As to what happened during the second half of 2019, I would very much be interested to learn.
I think very true... even though there was one particular event for me, sitting and watching Dominion, there were also a number of other catalysts that brought me to that point.
Good interview
Veganism will go through phrases of ups and downs. Just like any movement!
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I know many will disagree but I don't think its all or nothing. If 90% ate a 90% plant based we'd go a long way. I think the jury is still out on using animals in regenerative agriculture.
It’s a slippery slope when they are still eating meat, and pretend to be vegan, Imao
In Sweden they do not listen to Piers Morgan 😊
In Britain, compassionate and intelligent people do not listen to Piers Morgan!
I think the maturation of veganism is very important now. This means that some meat and dairy alternative producers have reduced their product lines because the most successful have come to the fore. Other companies have also disappeared because that same maturation means that more people are going for whole plant foods, as you mentioned.
I love it you are the absolute Don, Ed Earthling
I always wonder what these people that have spoken to Ed during his campaigns on college campus or on the street have done post-conversation. Has the conversation and replay of it on UA-cam caused any changes? Have they dug in their feet more or softened their views and made a change in their life?
The peak definitely was during 2016-2019 what with the plant based alternatives coming into the market. However, whilst these products served a purpose they are not the answer long term and many are coming to realise this. The next few years will be an interesting period for company’s like Beyond meats.
"Man, naturally, should be a vegetarian, because the whole body is made for vegetarian food. Even scientists concede to the fact that the whole structure of the human body shows that man should not be a non-vegetarian. Man comes from the monkeys. Monkeys are vegetarians, absolute vegetarians. If Darwin is true then man should be a vegetarian.
Now there are ways to judge whether a certain species of animal is vegetarian or non-vegetarian: it depends on the intestine, the length of the intestine. Non-vegetarian animals have a very small intestine. Tigers, lions - they have a very small intestine, because meat is already a digested food. It does not need a long intestine to digest it. The work of digestion has been done by the animal. Now you are eating the animal’s meat. It is already digested - no long intestine is needed. Man has one of the longest intestines: that means man is a vegetarian. A long digestion is needed, and much excreta will be there which has to be thrown out.
If man is not a non-vegetarian and he goes on eating meat, the body is burdened. In the East, all the great meditators - Buddha, Mahavir - have emphasized the fact. Not because of any concept of nonviolence - that is a secondary thing - but because if you really want to move in deep meditation your body needs to be weightless, natural, flowing. Your body needs to be unloaded; and a non-vegetarian’s body is very loaded.
Just watch what happens when you eat meat: when you kill an animal what happens to the animal when he is killed? Of course, nobody wants to be killed. Life wants to prolong itself; the animal is not dying willingly. If somebody kills you, you will not die willingly. If a lion jumps on you and kills you, what will happen to your mind? The same happens when you kill a lion. Agony, fear, death, anguish, anxiety, anger, violence, sadness - all these things happen to the animal. All over his body violence, anguish, agony spreads. The whole body becomes full of toxins, poisons. All the body glands release poisons because the animal is dying very unwillingly. And then you eat the meat; that meat carries all the poisons that the animal has released. The whole energy is poisonous. Then those poisons are carried in your body.
That meat which you are eating belonged to an animal body. It had a specific purpose there. A specific type of consciousness existed in the animal’s body. You are on a higher plane than the animal’s consciousness, and when you eat the animal’s meat your body goes to the lowest plane, to the lower plane of the animal. Then there exists a gap between your consciousness and your body, and a tension arises and anxiety arises.
One should eat things which are natural, natural for you. Fruits, nuts, vegetables - eat as much as you can. The beauty is that you cannot eat more of these things than is needed. Whatsoever is natural always gives you a satisfaction, because it satiates your body, saturates you. You feel fulfilled. If some thing is unnatural it never gives you a feeling of fulfillment. Go on eating ice cream: you never feel that you are satiated. In fact the more you eat, the more you feel like eating. It is not a food. Your mind is being tricked. Now you are not eating according to the body need; you are eating just to taste it. The tongue has become the controller.
The tongue should not be the controller. It does not know anything about the stomach. It does not know anything about the body. The tongue has a specific purpose to fulfill: to taste food. Naturally, the tongue has to judge, that is the only thing, which food is for the body, for my body and which food is not for my body. It is just a watchman on the door; it is not the master, and if the watchman on the door becomes the master, then everything will be confused.
Now advertisers know well that the tongue can be tricked, the nose can be tricked. And they are not the masters. You may not be aware: much food research goes on in the world, and they say if your nose is closed completely, and your eyes closed, and then you are given an onion to eat, you cannot tell what you are eating. You cannot tell onion from apple if the nose is closed completely because half of the taste comes from the smell, is decided by the nose, and half is decided by the tongue. These two have become the controllers. Now they know: whether ice cream is nutritious or not is not the point. It can carry a flavor, it can carry some chemicals which fulfill the tongue but are not needed for the body.
Man is confused, more confused than buffaloes. You cannot convince buffaloes to eat ice cream. Try!
A natural food...and when I say natural I mean that which your body needs. The need of a tiger is different; he has to be very violent. If you eat the meat of a tiger you will be violent, but where will your violence be expressed? You have to live in human society, not in a jungle. Then you will have to suppress the violence. Then a vicious circle starts.
When you suppress violence, what happens? When you feel angry, violent, a certain poisonous energy is released, because that poison creates a situation where you can be really violent and kill somebody. The energy moves towards your hands; the energy moves towards your teeth. These are the two places from where animals become violent. Man is part of the animal kingdom.
When you are angry, energy is released - it comes to the hands and to the teeth, to the jaw - but you live in a human society and it is not always profitable to be angry. You live in a civilized world and you cannot behave like an animal. If you behave like an animal, you will have to pay too much for it - and you are not ready to pay that much. Then what do you do? You suppress the anger in the hand; you suppress the anger in your teeth - you go on smiling a false smile, and your teeth go on accumulating anger.
I have rarely come to see people with a natural jaw. It is not natural - blocked, stiff - because there is too much anger. If you press the jaw of a person, the anger can be released. Hands become ugly. They lose grace, they lose flexibility, because too much anger is suppressed there. People who have been working on deep massage, they have come to know that when you touch the hands deeply, massage the hands, the person starts becoming angry. There is no reason. You are massaging the man and suddenly he starts feeling angry. If you press the jaw, persons become angry again. They carry accumulated anger. These are the impurities in the body: they have to be released. If you don’t release them the body will remain heavy."
I'm not sure veganism is a particularly successful project if by that we mean the number of people who are "vegans", which remains stubbornly very low. But the broader debate has been gaining ground - I believe that the core idea that we should have moral concern for other sentient species has taken solid root. It is no longer odd to think this and significant progress has been made both in general philosophical terms as well as hard legislative reform.
However, if current strategies are failing to encourage general agreement with veganism and doing little to change public attitudes, a new strategy is needed. The way I see it, far too much weight is being placed on the tactic of complete individual conversion to veganism. Too often, success is measured by the number of people becoming vegan, yet so far at least very few people do this and the vast majority reject the idea out of hand. Worse, many vegans eventully abandon their veganism.
My suggestion then is to focus instead on encouraging a more positive community attitude to veganism. That is, the aim of vegan advocacy should not be converting people to veganism (with often doubtful results) but rather promoting a more positive public attitude to how we regard and treat other animals. How this could be done is open to debate, but I would take the tack of providing an educative and guiding role more than anything else. For example, one could conduct street advocacy where people can learn more, ask questions and even contribute their own perspectives without being judged. I think Ed does a very good job of this klind of advocacy.
Veganism remains stubbornly low because the human species is the cruellest animal by nature. They are so far removed from the rest of the natural world that they've turned their backs on what's good for them. They're the only species who purposefully eat and poison themselves with too much food and chemicals to the point of disability. Then they call themselves the superior species, but in reality most are too lazy or ignorant to look outward beyond their own existence.I live in hope that more will go vegan but I have barely any faith in the human species.
The slowness at which veganism grows and spreads is sometimes depressing. If only it could go faster so more animals would avoid suffering & torture
I don’t love the word “argument”. Why does it always have to be an “argument”? Well, it doesn’t…that’s why we have (and love) Ed.💯
I tend (or try) and avoid these “arguments” or discussions. Letting people do or say whatever they’d like to get off their chest (sometimes it’s A LOT) about MY choices for ME. I need to pick up Ed’s book, for what I assume is some acceptable and intelligent “ammo” when needed. Awesome stuff!☮️&💟
14:21 The truth is often unpleasant or difficult. If an idea feels uncomfortable or unsatisfying, it can still be truth.
I’ve been eating Tofurky for over 20 years, and other processed vegan foods, with moderation and am pretty much healthy. Except for some joint pain I thought it was due to old age and lack of exercise but it’s actually due to mold. All my blood panels have been perfect since becoming vegan.
I think my goal lately is pretty much eat and cook vegan every day, but to eat some fish.
It's because of my health and I really don't do well with all or nothing thinking. I'm also pretty poor and have a history of orthorexia.
I used to be vegetarian, was pescatarian, and want to go back
You do the best you can. If you do drop fish, make sure to supplement B12. Beans should be affordable enough though.
As far as I am concerned 1980-2000 was the ‘’golden era’’ for Veganism, that was a time when the movement was grassroots networking and collective activism, we were strong and built what has come since. These days I see ‘celebrity’ UA-cam activity/influencers taking over direct real life social activism, we are not connected in real life as we used to be, and I think that is weaker for the movement. ✊🏽🌻🌎
Shipping industry emissions are not regulated.
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Thank you so much for your support!
Simply #govegan , people.... 💚
No, thank you.
@@Carnemexada So go find a work, guy. It's shameful to be an useless person. 😉
@@criska3785 are you hiring, or something? So animal utility = evil human utility = good
@@Carnemexada Find a job, useless guy. 😉 I have one, that's why you will be standing here talking alone. 😏 ADIOS.
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The point about headlines is crucial even here on YT, Ed does some of the most solid content work in the movement still sometimes the headline's irony might fall to that issue and also contribute to positive yt stats towards meat consumption, at the same time it probably turns up the video's algorithm as long as meat consumers have user's majority... I don't know, it's kinda complex no matter how you do it but still the very important process of delivering info to the busy working class might be obstructed by ironic headlines.
im vegan for over then 10 years and im happy af
I was brought up eating meat but told my grandmother (who raised me) that when I grew up I wouldn’t eat meat. She had insisted that I must learn to cook it but after seeing her gutting rabbits and ducks and hens for years ( and being expected to pluck chickens myself) I decided I simply couldn’t do it. I didn’t have much choice about being a vegetarian as a child in the 1960s and early 1970s but when I grew up I did become a vegetarian and it was bloody hard work in those days but I stuck to it for 27 years. Then I became a vegan 18 years ago and I’ve no intention of going back to my childhood menu thank you. And as for health I was a horribly sickly kid, plagued with colds, anaemia and chilblains so my meat stuffed diet didn’t have a positive effect on me! In later years after I became a vegetarian and then a vegan I had the stamina of an ox and could work 70 to 100 hours a week (that’s whole days followed by waking nights) as a care worker whilst my colleagues less than half my age (none of them vegetarians or vegans) were on the point of collapse after doing one extra shift a week. So I don’t think my diet has exactly done me any harm but then it isn’t for my benefit that I stopped eating meat. It’s for the benefit of non human species. I’m well aware that most people don’t really care that much about animals or would find it difficult to become vegan or vegetarian but I would just say to you ‘okay carry on. But can you not just cut down a bit or insist on seeing how the animals are reared and killed and then call for higher welfare standards where it’s necessary? And in intensive farming it is necessary. Only a sadist and a moron could disagree.
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Hey Ed, I don’t know if you’ll ever see this comment I hope that you do I know you did a workshop not too long ago but I would really love to know if you’re gonna do another one because the way you speak I know a lot of people already compliment you and applaud you for how you speak how eloquent you are, how versed you are in the topic at hand, the facts you can provide. I would really love to emulate youin someway like that so that I can better advocate for veganism while I’m advocating for veganism so my question really is just are you gonna be doing another workshop anytime soon?
It getting to the point where there will never be a compromise so it just noise on repeat over and over meat vs veggies - do both
It is expected that Veganism will soon have a HUGE cultural boom. It's incredible to witness it! ☺
It's exciting
Then why is the demand for animal foods increasing?
@@Carnemexada Because the human population is growing and once poorer countries are getting richer, but the percentage of vegans is increasing. :)
@@Corilo91 most people quit veganism. It seems like a lost cause to me.
@@Carnemexada 96% of people fail to quit smoking. Guess quitting smoking is a lost cause.
love u ED
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Veganism will not end it will remain a choice for some people.
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Vegan diet is actually cheaper. Peanut Butter, Wheat, Corn are basically the cheapest food.
The largest expense is tofu and peanut butter powder which is still cheaper than meats/dairy.
I eat violet leaves, dandelion greens, rose hips, bastard cabbage, purple dead nettle, sassafras leaves, hedge bedstraw and mock strawberry. That’s pretty natural. I recognize it definitely isn’t sufficient as the only source for everyone but the more diverse your diet the more resilient you are to disease. Before going vegan I don’t think I ever ate flaxseeds, squash or lentils.
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