The Best Alcohol Stove Out There (IMO)
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- Опубліковано 23 лис 2024
- Here is my favorite alcohol stove to take camping, a DIY Fancy Feast, and why I prefer it to the many I’ve tried. In my opinion, it’s the overall best alcohol stove out there.
Fancee Feest stove by Zelph:
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Hiram Cook’s build video and boil tests of his DIY Fancy Feast Stove:
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Large capacity stove weight: 25g / 0.88oz
Small capacity stove weight: 20g / 0.71oz
Here is a video for how to build these stoves: ua-cam.com/video/Ub7KvSO8qYQ/v-deo.html
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From Hiram Cooks boil test data of your stove (Lab0408), it looks like your design put out 850 W of heat, used 17 ml of methanol to boil 2 cups of water in 5.5 min and was 55% fuel efficient. These results put your stove in the top 5 of all makes and brands that I’ve looked at so far (25+). Well done!
This "Fancy Feast" Stove just makes sense. It is like the Ford Model "A" of the camping and emergency stove world. It is simple, safe, reliable, straight forward, and it just plain WORKS every single time. What more could we ask of it. Barry Howard Begley
CC, I made the shorter FF stove like yours! I cut the FF can to being 3/4" tall (original FF can is 1-1/2" tall). I cut the can exactly in half using an air tool die-grinder bench mounted in a solid jig with a real thin 3" fiberglass cut-off wheel while spinning the can for a precision cut. then I used an 8oz brown glass boston round bottomed bottle (fits inside of the FF can perfectly) and pressed the 2 halves together using WD-40. I pressed the can's rimmed top on the outer side up-side-down leaving the rimmed ring at the bottom (gives more stability at the base to avoid tip-over when in use). I fired it up and it works great! performed no burn tests on it yet, but I don't think that's needed .. it's just 1/2 capcity with a shorter tomato paste can and a wick that's 1/2 as tall. works great as you said and why waste fuel by using a wick that's twice as tall as you need for certain tasks... makes sense to me! BTW:.. I use Armour brand potted meat cans rather than the cat food cans (it's the same exact size can - costs the same 0.49 cents, too). I hate potted meat, but at least you can add the potted meat into a meat loaf and not waste it (same with the tomato paste). this last part is fixing something that's not really broken...so many won't be interested in this, but I strengthened the standard sized FF stove outer can and gave it more stability by pressing another can around it up-side down and leaving the rimmed ring at the bottom... this stabilized the base better and adds a dbl thickness wall to the can (stronger & a little wider base). has a rimmed ring at top and at bottom now making the original FF stove much stronger. thanks CC, martina
+Martina Dejaquiz I like the idea of having the rim of the can on the bottom of the stove for more stability. That's a great suggestion. Thank you for sharing your method for building a smaller capacity version, too!
Clever improvements!
What I used to build this:
walmart:
Great value tomato paste: 46 cents
Amour potted meat: 48 cents
bottle of heet: 1.58
home depot: oatey flame protector 14.89 (9"x12")
On the great value tomato paste the cut goes in the valley between the first and second ridges from the bottom of the can to give you the 1" height above the "cat food can" you need. I used a mini hacksaw and sawed around this first groove until the bottom popped off, then went at it with a metal file. I think the carbon felt needs to be cut to 7" long.
This is a very effective stove. Boils fast, works great with a stanley adventure cook set.
+Brian Olsen Dollar general 40 cents
kroger cat can 10 for $4 or use a Blue Bud bottle cut out the center of it about the size of a tom paste can and use no carbon or anything, it fits snug and boils in 10-13mins and last 14-19mins
Brian Olsen
I used the can from WM, their Great Value mushroom pieces, "Craft Felt" from their crafts department (duh), and a can from Purina Friskies cat food (dog loved it!)
I used 4 pieces of the felt, 12" x 1 1/4", and overlapped them, which made a nice snug fit.
Will make the simmer ring and the windscreen next.
ColoradoCamper made a great presentation.
I bought a 30x30 carbon felt from ebay for 5$. Had to wait 10 days, but worth it. Then bought the cat food and tomatoe can at a .99 cent store. Patience padewan.
I picked some cans out someone elses recycles for free. I get the heads and tails of a local moonshiner for free too. I used a wick out of a junked kerosene heater.
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Friend, I like the design and of all the designs I have tried, I'll be sticking to this one. You mentioned carbon felt is expensive, I don´t think it is availiable in my area so I got around this by winding jute twine all around the inner tin. I don't remove the bottom of the inner can, just drilled four holes in the side at the bottom. One of the holes holds the end of the jute twine to stop it unravelling. Works fantastically
That design is the best as far as simplicity and I've used it quite a bit...beautiful demo in the cold too...
Agreed. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment.
Like you, once I built this stove my stove building days were over. I needed a stove for cold weather(Maine), and built in pot holder. With quick boil times it's my go to stove. Packs up well in a mug with fuel, lighter and 1/4 of scrub pad. I use big rubber band to hold lid on with everything inside. Also use it for car camping for quick cups of coffee/tea in the morning. Hiram video is must watch.
just got thru using my 1/2-cut-down fancy feast AS like i learned about from you a long time ago. can't see need for one that's the full-sized cat food can still today. 1 ounce of HEET boiled 48oz. of coffee water in the newer pathfinder 48oz. SS cup/pot. that says it all, but says it again after a whole lot of use. maybe 2 years or so of use. same 1/2-cut-down FF AS is still going strong after lots of use over a 2 yr period of time. thanks again
I agree, Martina. I can't remember the last time I used the full size stove. The 1/2 version is perfect. I carry one in each of my cook kits so I know I always have it. I upgraded all of mine to have the ring flipped like you originally suggested, so the widest part is at the bottom. It makes it a bit more stable with a wider pot. Thanks for your comments!
I have been making stoves like this for a few years now and I luv them!
I'm sure you already know, but for those who don't, if you buy a Tilman welding blanket,
It's approx $23. It is a a 3' x 3' piece of carbon felt.
Ya get a lot more for your money and plenty to experiment with.
Great video, can't wait to see more!
TheLionsDen72 Thank you for watching and for the tip on carbon felt. I agree, these stoves are awesome.
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO....very kind of you to share. i originally watched this video months and months ago. i also watched all of the hiram cook videos on this stove, as well. i have made 6 of the stoves. gave 3 of them to friends and family and directed them to your video here and hiram's videos about this stove. i love the stove and so do they, as well. as small as the stoves are and as inexpensive as the stoves are i just have a stove for each pack and just leave a stove in each of the different packs that i have (easy - saves trouble). in texas where i live it doesn't get very cold, but the stove just is excellent in every way as you say and i just couldn't agree with you more. ease of making, finished size, packability and performance... it's an end to a means IMO, too. so, i truely do thank you very much!
+Martina Dejaquiz Thank you very much for the feedback. I am glad you enjoy the stove and have shared it with your friends. I do the same thing you do - I have one of these in each of my different sized pots so that I never have to worry about forgetting it. It works well with even my large group-sized pot. Cheers!
I appreciate what you've and Hiram have done with these tests and designs. I'll be building this one with the side jets shortly.
+John Scarborough Thank you, I hope you are happy with the stove you build.
One of the perks you forgot to mention. You can use almost anything as a wick. Even a paper towel. It may not last long but it will work in a pinch.
Yeah I have seen Hiram's video about that. That's a great feature for anyone who wants to try the stove without purchasing carbon felt.
That is awesome! Thanks for the video. I've been hemming and hawing for months about stoves for bicycle touring, and I think this just ended the voices in my head.
I love your comment about "the voices in my head." I feel the exact same way, I had been tinkering and contemplating alcohol stoves for a long time, and this stove finally brought me some peace!
This would be an excellent stove for bicycle touring. As I said in the video, my brother tested it on the Pacific Crest Trail in various altitudes and temperatures. He likely used it over 300 times and never once had a problem. He's currently hiking New Zealand from end to end and he's using the same stove.
Pair it with a good windscreen and you are golden. Cheers.
Love it. I made a litle larger version of fancy feast stove. With 160 gram chicken paste. Its my primary alcohol stove and it you dont need a pot stand 😎👍. The Best alcohol stove out there and it burns longer then Trangia
If you do any soldering or welding the carbon felt purchase will be a non issue. My carbon felt for some reason came with a 2" wide by 18" scrap piece which I could make a couple dozen of these. I just did an over night trip with it. It was only got down to 42 f . The stove works great. decent boil times. It will work with just 1/2 oz. I forgot my windscreen so I dropped it into my backup wood-gas stove from a qt paint can and progress o soup can. This combination worked so well that I may have to experiment more with that.
I use an 8 oz. Alcohol flask to carry my fuel in fits nicely in my coat pocket and never leaks. Walmart sells them for under 4 bucks you can find them in various sizes at amazon
Bought a titanium alcohol stove at Neal's gap Georgia, was 25.00 and was the best purchase i made on the trail, was under 2oz. on stove and carried about 8-10oz. of alcohol. Not only was spending 25.00 worth it for the titanium because it was nearly indestructible, but worked very well with cold, only took about 30 seconds of me blowing on the stove to warm it enough to lights, and in my opinion when boiling things like rice sides or pasta sides it was better than jet boils because I needed the heat longer to soften noodles or rice than the jet boil offers, the jet boil does as it says boils water right away and is really best for things like ramen tea. If your gonna spend more than like a month hiking, it;s worth it to spend the money on a titanium alcohol stove. also tent stakes work great for holding pot over the flame, to save weight, two uses for the stakes.
What titanium alcohol stove did you buy and use? I'm curious because all of the titanium professionally made alcohol stoves that I have seen are not very good performers, especially in cold, because titanium is not a good heat conductor. So the titanium takes a while to warm up and get the stove running at full power.
I would agree for sure that an alcohol stove is much better than a jetfoil for actual cooking or simmering.
This is the stove that convinced me to go with alcohol! Thank you for sharing this. Awesome!
Right on! Same here, this stove made me trust alcohol stoves enough to use them year round. Thanks for watching and for your comment!
Thank you.
I appreciate people giving credit where it is due. I see some people present stuff as if they had come up with the concept. You give hope and a ray of light when you do this!
I'm happy to give credit when I use ideas that are not my own, particularly when it comes to DIY projects. The world of alcohol stoves seems particularly sensitive to this issue because there are so many designs out there and people come up with new ones all the time. The innovation and optimization are what make them a lot of fun. Cheers.
I used fibreglass cloth instead of felt . It works perfectly.🇨🇦👍 FYI cheers.
I find these stoves to be genius. I found another very similar and less work. There is a Vienna stove no cutting no special wick, just a piece ofold faceclothh and you are done. Just few holes.. Thanks for this video I didn't know a few things. When I use my Stanley cup it boils in 5 minutes.:)
I bought a 18 inch square welders cloth on amazon to make my stove. Now I'm making these stoves for everyone.
I just got the materials (minis the carbon fiber) last night. The cat loved the Fancy Feast but boy is that can small! The 6 ounce tomato paste can is even smaller. My 2 quart pot tips right over on it. I can see the need to figure out my mug/pot purchase soon. Thanks for the video again. Going to make this after my high pressure soda can one failed on lift off.
***** True, this stove works best with smaller pots. However, you could easily scale the stove up, you would just need to find two cans that differ in diameter by 1/4-1/2 inch or so. Maybe a tuna can and some type of soup can? I haven't made any larger versions so I can't say for sure.
Just purchased a can of fancy feast and tomato paste. All i need now is the carbon felt sheet. Getting that tomorrow.
This will be great for my bugout bag.
Patrick Murphy It's a stove you can count on in a bind. Enjoy!
Low tech = Reliability
I bought a MSR Drangonfly à couple of years back and i love it but so many
tiny parts that must be hell to replace in the field. And the noise it
makes is loud as hell! Like a jet engine!!! Hehe
Just one more question. The carbon felt you use, where can i buy this ! I
tried a couple of harware stores over the weekend but couldn't find any.
Again thanks for the feedback.
Patrick Murphy I found it at Home Depot. It's in the plumbing section, sold as a flame protector for sweating pipe. Hope that helps.
Sure does thanks ! I have a home dépôt about 5 minutes from here !
Thanks again!
by far the best. you could even make a new one on the trail if you broke it - which seems impossible. just bring an additional piece of carbon felt. that is one people really use. cheers, chris
TheLicewine Thanks for watching. I agree, this is certainly a stove that you see people using out in the woods. Cheers.
Like you, this is the stove that stopped my search for an alcohol backpacking stove!
I still haven't been tempted to look at other alcohol stove designs, and I still use this stove all the time. Thank's for watching!
I don’t know if it has been mentioned but if you cut the inner can so that it is 1/2” or less above the outer can, it will burn 70% rubbing alcohol very cleanly. Maybe a little longer boil time but cheap and clean.
I've seen a lot of videos on how to make these alcohol stoves so far the one that you just showed us is far easy quick and I like the design and don't take long to make and it burns efficiently that's what I've been looking for case of a power outage I can make coffee or heat up a can of soup maybe even cook a meal on it thank you🗽🇺🇸☕👍
I have heard of people scaling this design up, such as using a tuna fish can and a soup can, to get more heat out of it and also more stability for larger cookware. I would consider experimenting with a larger one if you want to cook a meal on one. Or I have used a trangia stove to cook meals in a frying pan or medium sized pot. But this size is perfect for soup and heating water for a hot drink. Cheers.
Like you, I stopped experimenting with stove builds after discovering the Fancee Feest, though I tend to build them more like Zelph's. Great, bombproof stove.
Agreed, I've never had mine fail on me. A very dependable stove for sure.
These are excellent stoves and I'm very happy with mine. There remains a couple of restrictions/drawbacks however: 1) They require a very flat area to sit on for stability and are not compatible with canister tripods (an issue I am trying to resolve). 2) For optimal performance a pot of quite specific dimensions is required and this limits flexibility (I have ear-marked a pot just for this stove).
These issues aside, I will continue to use my Zelph stove whenever I'm camping and boiling water is my only requirement.
+M00nsplitter I agree, every stove has some limitations or drawbacks. I would say though that most ultralight alcohol stoves require a fairly level area, and even a good portion of canister and white gas stoves too.
I've found that mine works well with most of my camp pots, except for my largest one and my frying pan. For those, I am considering building a bigger version, such as in this video:
ua-cam.com/video/e65bThaXcps/v-deo.html
Thanks for watching and commenting!
thank you for your video on the stove. Best alcohol stove I have used and seen yet.
I agree, thank you for watching and commenting.
I used fiberglass fabric folded up in mine and it works great. I will change to carbon felt when I find some, but the bondo fabric is relatively inexpensive and can be found easily. It works well enough that I haven't been very motivated to search out the felt.
Ron Orud Thanks for letting us know about the alternative and that it works well. I can't think of any reason you'd want to switch to felt if the fiberglass is working well for you. The price of carbon felt is the major drawback to this stove, so it's good to know that fiberglass works as an alternative. Cheers.
I agree.. best stove..!
You can also prime these stoves right at the wick when using 1/2 ounce or less of fuel.
Thanks for the video...
Thank you for watching!
I make this stove with a small tuna can, tomato paste can and carbon fiber. Tuna can is a bit stronger than the cat food can. They work great!
+Alan Williams they make a tuna can the same size as the FF can?
Alan Williams the lower outer can strength is irrelevant.
I saw Shug Emery carrying on about how much he liked these, so I finally built one. Hands down the best penny stove I've made to date. Can't wait to tote it on my next outing. Mine has an aluminum beer bottle core sleeve with fiberglass wicking, but I will make some using your described materials. Thanks for the video.
+flysubcompact Thanks for your comment. I imagine that you will have similar performance between your stove with the fiberglass and this design. The aluminum inner can is nice because the steel tomato paste can eventually rusts. I've made some using an aluminum hair spray bottle that has the same diameter as the tomato paste can and that solves the rust issue.Thanks for watching.
What area of Colorado you live in BTW? I lived in Steamboat back in the 70's. Purty country.
+flysubcompact I grew up near Aspen and now I live in the suburbs of Denver. Steamboat is a great area, but I've only been there a handful of times.
From what I have gathered, from Hiram's test videos is that the super cat is more fuel efficient, but has the disadvantage of not being able to light in the extreme cold, however lining it withe carbon felt gives it the low temperature stability of a fancy feast, and a noticeably more efficient burn.
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It's also the best stove for a simmer ring as all you need to do is cut out a fancy feast ring and wrap it around the outside of the stove which will allow you to adjust from full bore, to completely closed off to snuff out the stove. 100% adjustability ain't bad.
One could argue that because of the holes on the side it has a lower fuel capacity but if you need to boil THAT much water then you would be wise to scale the super cat stove up with a larger tin and retain all the above benefits with a larger fuel capacity on top.
In short, The super cat with carbon felt retains the cold weather stability of a fancy feast stove, is much lighter weight, has 0%-100% output adjustability with a simple ring added around the sides, and can be scaled to match the job it is needed for easily, you could even nest multiple sizes of super cats inside of each other to cover the full spectrum on one trip, or just stick with the largest one and adjust the simmer ring as needed.
I know from your videos your favorite is fancy feast stove, but what do you think of my findings and assessment?
I haven't tested that stove myself, but I think you would need to do a true test in cold conditions before assuming that it will work as well in cold temperatures. Just because it uses some wicking material does not guarantee cold weather performance. Otherwise, I think Hiram's videos show that it would perform pretty well.
I personally don't find much use for simmer rings on alcohol stoves, but of course many people do find them useful. I would disagree though that the simmer ring concept you suggest is "easy" to implement. I have tried making simmer rings as you describe, and I find that they are actually pretty finicky to get working properly. That's my experience at least.
Based on your assessment, I think you should try making one and do some testing with it. See if you like it as much as you think you will. Cheers, and thanks for watching and commenting.
ColoradoCamper that's the plan! as soon as I can pick up some carbon felt I'm going to do my own set of tests. I'm getting more and more in to the whole bushcraft/camping stuff lately and alcohol stoves are just another aspect that caught my attention. really enjoying making them so far with what limited materials I do have.
Alcohol stoves are certainly fun to tinker around with. Enjoy your experimentation and hopefully you end up with something you like. Cheers.
OK, after watching this, Hiram's video, and the Zelph website, I had to try this out. I've made at least a dozen Batchstovez 2.0 knockoffs and they work very well. So, I had to try this one to see if it was better. I first made one with a deviled chicken can. It's very close to the same size as a Fancy Feast can, but aprox 1/8 larger in diameter and deeper. It worked OK, but was about a minute and a half slower than my BS 2.0 knockoffs. I figured out that the felt needs to be deep enough to touch bottom and have about 1/16" sticking above the outer rim to work the best. If it's shoved down below the rim, it stunts the burn. I just bit the bullet and got a few Fancy Feast cans. I don't have a cat, but it appears my 55 lb dog loves the stuff, lol. Anyway, the tighter fit between the cans for the felt is HUGE for the wicking efficiency. I just tested the new one and it was about a minute faster boiling 2 cups of water than my BS 2.0 knockoff stove. If anyone is making one of these, after cutting the tomato paste can, take it outside with a hand held butane torch and burn all the plastic liner off. Then clean it off and assemble. The liner is going to burn off anyway, this just makes sure you don't have to smell it for the first couple of uses. Wow, nice stove for sure. I need to take it out to Lost Creek and figure out how to cook Brookies with it.
Sean M Thanks for sharing your experience. And that's a good tip about burning the lining off the tomato paste can. I haven't tried cooking trout with mine, but I imagine that the heat output would work well. If the stove burns too hot, Zelph has a simmer ring that one could buy or copy that reduced the flame significantly. Shortening the tomato paste can also tame the flame a bit, but that option isn't as ideal. Cheers!
across the pond. Colorado I made one from a small bean cans and a sweet corn tin.didn't have to cut it down at all.integrity strength on the pot stand bit .thanks Colorado keep up the brilliant vids
I made one using pink fiberglass insulation.works great ! Simple and fast to make.
+Samantha LaClair i've seen reports that the pink fiberglass will surface melt in short order. Hiram Cook has a video about this.
Great explanation, very thorough. Mine got 2 cups of water to a rolling boil in 5:20. 30mL of yellow Heet was about right, could've gotten a slow boil with about 20mL.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
I bought a couple Fancy Feast stoves from Zelph back in 2008 and I have never used or wanted to use anything else since. I've seen a lot of alcohol stoves and none of them perform in winter or at elevation the way this one does.
alwayshiking Agreed, Zelph came up with a very reliable and cold-worthy design with his stove. I've tried plenty of different ones, but the way the Fancy Feast performs, especially in Colorado where cold and high elevation are the norm, I can't be bothered to keep searching for a better option. Cheers.
I saw +Far North Bushcraft and Survival's video on this same stove. For size, ease of making, weight and stability it is my go-to alcohol stove.
+tackettsmillfarm Agreed, it's my go-to as well.
CC, after using this alcohol stove quite a bit I agree with you about it's capacity, too. I may make a smaller one like you did? I think that's a good idea. the FF's wick absorbs and completely retains over 1 whole ounce of fuel. if I place 1 measured ounce of fuel in my FF stove the wick absorbs the whole ounce leaving no liquid in the bottom of the stove. the excess un-used fuel just evaporates since the stove isn't self sealing. like you, sometimes I only need to use 1/2 ounce. so, i'll make a smaller shorter stove as you have and see how that works for me? thanks, martina
I've got Solo Stoves, a Folding Firebox Stove, a Vargo Titanium Hexagon Wood stove, Chinese clones of the Emberlit and Silver Fire Scout. Thy are all collecting dust while I use my new Fancy Feast stoves exclusively. Why didn't I find this item earlier in my career? Hey, thanks for the video, my friend.
I can completely relate to your comment. Thank you for watching!
Thanks a million! I fallowed the links built my own and I love it!!! My penny stove is currently in the recycling bin lolThanks to you and the others you mentioned for your contributions:)
+Lv2flair Glad it worked out for you! Thanks for commenting.
Without a screen the flame size is perfect for the stanley adventure cook kit I am using. With a windscreen the flame definitely blooms out and a lot of flame goes up the side.
+Brian Olsen You might try trimming the middle can down a little bit. I did that with mine, it's less than 1", probably more like 3/4" from the cat food can to the top of the tomato paste can. I did this because it seemed to tame the flames down on narrower pots.
+ColoradoCamper taking off about 2 can ribs did tame it a little bit, let me boil 2 cups room temp water with 25ml. windscreen still does make it burn "bigger", i guess due to less air getting to the fuel.
+Brian Olsen I use a windscreen that has a bunch of holes at the bottom to allow oxygen to get to the flame. That might help if you still have large flames along the side of the pot. I also think that windscreens keep the stove in a hot environment which increases fuel vaporization, leading to bigger flames. Even with my windscreen's ventilation, I still get some flames coming up the sides of my pots.
No stove is as efficient as the original Fancee Feest ;)
It's a pleasure to have you stop by and leave a comment! You designed the best alcohol stove. It certainly is efficient, but my favorite aspect is that it lights easy in cold weather. Cheers.
Brilliant creation Z. I'll never thru hike with anything else again
Yes, i made a litle larger fancy feast stove. I agree its the Best alcohol stove i had. And i had lots of difrent alcohol stoves
making this stove with a VIENNa sausage can, works also very well, it boiled in just over 6 minutes and ran until 18mins, with that can, you don't have to cut your tomato paste can, just sit down inside and add carbon fiber felt and your ready.that and a simmer ring works great if you want longer cooking times.
+Rspene smit That's handy, thanks for sharing your comment.
I just did a video using a Vienna sausage can nested in an Iams cat food can. stout little thing and works well.
+flysubcompact I just recently cut the middle out of a Blue Bud bottle about the height of a tomato paste can and it fits perfectly and nice and snug inside a Fancy Feast cat can and with no carbon or fiberglass or anything, it boils on average in about 10-13 mins, and burns out anywhere from 15-19 mins, great for not having anything else inside. it.
THIS IS THE MOST EASIEST USEFUL ALCOHOL STOVE I HAVE seen or MADE.
I used a cat food can and a Vienna links meat can.
Used cotton or Fiber glass insulation. Cotton replaced every time but the fiberglass insulation lasted several times.
20 minutes on 3 oz of Alcohol Fuel. 6 Minutes to heat 1 pint of water.
I made 6 of them in an hour. So easy and fun. I will make 6 more.
I call mine the Vienna Cat food stove.
50 cents for cat food can. Bonnie and Clyde Feline ate the food.
$1.25 Vienna links Made a nice treat for Rover.
Use your favorite 97% alcohol Check the Paint department. Or HEET yellow bottle auto section.
THIS IS TRULY THE ONLY ALCOHOL STOVE YOU WILL NEED.
ceramic insulation is the best. cheep on ebay; Ceramic Fiber Insulation Blanket Paper Non Asbestos For Wood Stoves 610X300X1mm US $1.56 www.ebay.com/itm/152364037702?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Ceramic is much better, I think it may be even cheaper.
Thanks for the suggestion.
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It does not have a plastic liner.
Easier to work with.
The penny can store with tiny holes are pretty and cute.
I want flame and heat when I cook. I do not want something made for the kitchen corner.
I have experimented with alcohol stoves, "Trandia" and wasted many hours for nothing,
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The best times for a stove rating is under 7 minutes for a pint of 50 degree water,
1.5 oz of fuel is plenty. I rather have a gas guzzler.
The yellow bottle of gas additive was the best. 90% alcohol was not as good. But even 70% worked.
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I use a 9 inch pie pan to avoid spills and works some as a wind screen.
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I use a large diameter alcohol stove version for cooking.
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If I am camping and not hiking, I like the butane canister stoves. Many sizes and better than alcohol gas.
#transcatalinatrail A 1.5 oz micro burner (are lighter ones) plus 3 oz canister of fuel can cook and control heat for quite a number of meals. This OCD obsession with these DIY alcohol stoves mystifies? 3 oz of fuel 20 min whoopy.
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The Fancy Feast is my favourite but the Tamshoo titanium is my second favourite
Love it. I'll give it a try. Thank you for a nice video.
I spent several days on how to make the Penny can stove. Several versions of this stove with different names.
I thought it was the only way and had to perfect it. What a waist of time. I even bought 2 of them on e-bay.
Number one is the Fancy Feast cat food stove. Only carbon felt or fiber glass insulation needed.
Number two was the Coors' Lite stove using the top with a cap. Only scissors needed.
Both equal in use and simple to make,
+Bill Rundell I'm glad you have found your way to better alcohol stoves. I have built penny stoves too and I don't understand why they are so popular. They are finicky to light and you need to add a separate pot stand. And forget about them in cold weather, unless they have a wicking material for the priming fuel. But in that case, the wick is much better if it is used in the stove like the Fancy Feast design.
Looks like I have to build another stove. I like that design its awesome. What the hell is carbon felt? I started with the penny stove using the older style Heineken beer cans. I now use the Fabreeze air freshener can stove which is a integrated stove and pot stand. There is a 20 second waiting period for the Fabreeze stove to heat up. I think this one is probably more fuel efficient.
Simple is usually best. Good vid and explanations. May try making one. Cheers.
Alloutdoor1 I would agree with you there. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Alloutdoor1 if that is the case then we can fire all the engineers, lol.
Love this. Which model do you use for a 2 cup boil in the summer? the shorter one? Thanks for all you do!
Two Questons: 1) How do you snuff it out when done? 2) What is best to carry in so the odor doesn't impact your gear in the backpack?
1. I don't snuff it out, since I don't know of a safe way to carry the stove with leftover fuel still in it. I just measure out the amount of fuel I need and let the stove burn completely through it. I've had enough practice that I can usually guess the fuel I need pretty accurately.
2. I don't notice any odor at all form the stove. I use denatured alcohol for fuel. So often times I have the stove in my cook kit along with my fuel bottle and a bandanna. But I know some people like to store their stove in a little ziploc bag, which is what I would recommend if you are concerned about odors or having your stove in the same pot you will eat out of.
perfect. exactly what i needed. great channel. love your engineering perspective!
Thank you very much, and I'm glad to help.
Great review. I've seen Hiram and Zelph both however, I think you may have sold me on the stove a bit more. I'm going to make one and give it a shot I think, this may be one of the only alcohol stoves I haven't made. Who knows, it may replace my emergency cat stove. Lol
Thanks, and good luck with your build. I think you'll be very happy with it.
First time I was this alcohol stove.
I will make it.
Thanks
I think the foil tape sounds like the easiest way, I'll be going that route. A DIY video would be neat though.
-Andy
So glad I stumbled upon this video, I had seen Hiram use this stove and it really intrigued me due to its freezing temperature performance. I am in New Hampshire and as you can imagine we have quite a bit of cold weather to contend with here. I had picked up the two cans to make this stove a few weeks ago, I just need to buy some more carbon felt. Like you, I have played around with all types of alcohol stoves from DIY's to commercially available options so I really appreciate all of the points that you touched on, which all speak to my experiences with alcohol stoves. Thanks for a solid review of this design, probably the best alcohol stove video I have seen yet. Happy trails and God bless :) -Lochlainn
Moss Stone Woodlore Thank you very much for the kind words. I am glad that you found the video helpful, and I think you will be very happy using this stove if you routinely deal with the cold. Its performance in the cold is incredible. Cheers.
Okay I really like your videos and send anyone who wants to learn about how to make a pot stand or brags about a pot stand for the trangia. After your great review I have built 3 of these stoves. 2 normal and one mini. Today I use a regular one but like any first attempt in the field it was a bit of a three ring circus. Finding a really stable spot is keep. I made a Knorrs rice dish and it took 7 minutes of simmer but this stove is all or nothing, somy next project. finding a way to simmer, or let meals hydrate. Thanks again.
+Tim Barton With a pot cozy you can cook just about anything without simmering. Bring pot up to a boil and without taking the lid off, slide the whole thing into the cozy. You can cook regular rice dishes that take 15 minutes of simmering this way and they are plenty hot.
i made one like this one using a 12 FL OZ pop can cut to 2 in. from bottom. a small 7.5 OZ pop can cut 3 in from top. added 4 nail VENT holes to small can 1/4 down from top. cot 2 in. carbon felt to fit around the 7.5 pop can and some small carbon felt scraps 1/4 in wide to the make a good WICKING for the 7.5 OZ can to rest on. a great fit and it looks like any pop can's would work like this. adjust your can cuts for what is needed. can pares would be 7.5 & 12 oz, 12 & 24 oz, 24 & 32 oz. ect.
Ok. I'm sold.
I built the same stove based on Hiram's video and is my go to stove also. I sometimes use my Trangia in the summer but the fancy feast is always with me. Good to hear the story of the PCT hike as it definitely shows the stove can handle months of field use. I would like to find some stainless steel tubing the diameter of the tomato paste can. If you know of a source please post.
+Mea Woodsman I would agree that some sort of non-corrosive material for the inner can would be ideal, because mine does get some rust on it. I wonder if one could find a small shaving cream can or hairspray can that would be similar diameter. I am not sure if they are stainless steel or aluminum, but aluminum would work very well too. I'll keep my eyes peeled and I'll post a new video if I find something that improves the stove. Cheers.
+ColoradoCamper I'm trying something on my stoves to help with the rust on the inner can. I bought some Rust-Oleum High Heat Ultra spray paint and painted the inner can. The paint is rated for 1200 degrees. It should stop the rusting.
+Mea Woodsman That's a great idea! I bet that will solve the rusting problem.
Okay I really like your videos and send anyone who wants to learn about how to make a pot stand or brags about a pot stand for the trangia. After your great review I have built 3 of these stoves. 2 normal and one mini. Though it seems the normal one wants more then an ounce.
I don't understand how he constructed the mini. Do you mind helping me understand this? THanks in advance.
I really love this video. Like you it makes me feel like this is a stove I could trust in cold weather and also stop looking around for a better stove. A few questions though. 1. What's the benefit if any of putting the four pin holes in the top of the tomato paste can. 2. I originally got interested in this stove because Andrew Skurka promotes a version that Hiram Cook calls a "Super Cat Mod" with two rows of eight holes in the top of the cat food can. According to Hiram, this seemed to lower water boil times significantly. Any comments on using that version, such as in colder weather for faster cooking. 3. How about storing the carbon felt and any excess alcohol in an air tight container such as a sandwich bag to help save fuel. 4. Any experience with the effectiveness of the simmer ring from Zelph and/or pictures of it? 5. Are you comfortable using grain alcohol with the stove indoors? 6. I have both 6.3" and 3.75" diameter pots and I'm wondering if you have any suggestions about what mods etc. work best for both wide and narrow pots.
Austin Dory I'm glad you liked the video, and I think I can answer all your questions. Let me know if you have any more.
1. The holes are to vent internal pressure. See this video for why at least one hole is needed: ua-cam.com/video/AA0KrK5wudA/v-deo.html
2. The version with extra holes does speed up boil times, but it hurts your fuel efficiency and fuel capacity and doesn't look ideal for narrow pots. For me, that was too much compromise to save a minute or so.
3. I doubt that storing the stove in a sandwich bag would be effective. The alcohol will simply vaporize in the bag. The best option for this stove would be to find a plastic cap, maybe like on a can of spray paint or similar, and find one that fits very snugly, then place the covered stove in a bag for extra insurance. It would be tricky, but handy if it all worked well. Another option that might work is to use a second cat food can as a cap and then secure them together with a wide ranger band to get a good seal.
4. I have no experience with the simmer ring, but see here: ua-cam.com/video/_Qbu4Aw45ow/v-deo.html
5. Yes, grain alcohol burns very cleanly. The only common alhohol fuel I would avoid for indoor use is isopropyl alcohol.
6. I changed Hiram's initial design to work better for a narrow pot. Easiest way to do that is to make the inner can shorter, about 3/4 inch instead of 1 inch. For wider pots, you can make it taller and get faster boil times, though you sacrifice stability. For wider pots, you could also try a tuna can and some other, larger inner can, basically making a bigger version of the stove.
ColoradoCamper Thanks for the extremely helpful info. I guess all I need to do now is pay the $20 odd to get some carbon felt. Any new ideas on where someone could go to just get one or two strips
Austin Dory I know some places online, but then you have to pay for shipping so it's not really an advantage. I've heard people using fiberglass cloth as well (not the insulation, need the woven cloth) and they say it works great. So if you have any way to get your hands on a bit of fiberglass for cheaper, you can give that a shot.
Goood Video thanks, I tried a Zelph FF Stove I borrowed from a friend, and made my own based on what you & Hiram showed, the one I built, beat out the Zelph stove in every one of my Tests, his was a bit different, and I did not like it as much as th eone I made based on your and Hiram's stoves.
+Rspene smit Thanks for your comment. Yes, Hiram is currently doing some interesting head-to-head videos of Zelph's stove against his version, and so far I agree with you that Hiram's version with the carbon felt is slightly superior.
Thanks so much for the review. Even tho there is no way on earth I am doing cold weather camping intentionally it sure is nice to know it will hold up in the cold. I already ordered the ceramic fiber insulation a couple weeks ago. (it does the same as the carbon cloth but is way cheaper) Now I just need to go get some fancy feast. (I hope the cat will eat it!)
+Cheeky Saver Good luck with your stove and I hope you like it!
I'm from East Aurora. Not too far from Mike Naughton Ford. I use a DIY Aluminum Beer Bottle Alcohol Stove modeled from BatchStovez. I may build this, as the aluminum bottles are no longer produced.
In my experience, having a stove with soem kind of wick like the Fancy Feast is a big improvement over a jetted stove. Try it, and I hope you like it!
Big Mike Naughton iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis Ford! Haha
Nice demonstration my friend.
I have the same stove and love it.
I made a bigger version of this stove for cooking big meals like family stews and meat......really impressed.
Thanks for sharing .....................Mick
+The12thSagittarian Thanks for your comment, Mick. I haven't made a larger version yet, but I plan to.
What cans did you use for the bigger version?
thanks for sharing bud defo going to make a few of these ATB...colin.
+colincky w Cheers, thanks for watching.
Quick question, if you don't mind. Maybe two questions😁. Do you have a video of how. you made your compact version of the alcohol stove? If not, would you consider making one of you constructing it? Thank You in advance!
I don't have a video showing its construction. I have improved upon the one shown in this video with a minor change, which you can see in this video:
ua-cam.com/video/5Lb42CJqdTM/v-deo.htmlm13s
I don't think I will have time to make a video for you, but I think it's pretty easy to describe, especially if you look at the link above and see how it's all put together. You just cut the cat food can around its circumference, leaving you with the bottom "cup" piece and the top "rim" piece. Place the rim piece on a hard surface with the rim side down and press the cup piece into it. Then add your tomato paste can and felt just like you would for the full size stove.
Thank you for taking the time to read my question & to reply back to me! I appreciate the link & will be watching it asap.
Thanks again, happy camping!!
Same here it works best IMHO: 🤠
nice to get the stoves history yeah good show
My favorite too, it can't be beat.
Yep, I haven't found anything better, and I'm satisfied enough that I'm not really motivated to look for anything better. Cheers.
Really impressive little stove. I'm making one! :-D
CC, I'm wondering if your brother switched-over to carrying the 1/2 capacity FF stove rather than the full sized one since he treks so far (mexico thru to Canada)? you know... 1/2 the height, 1/2 the wick and still just about does it all. 1/2oz. - 5/8oz. fuel rolling boils 2 cups with dehydrated food already in the covered cup and that's just using a GI SS canteen cup o/s in the wind w/w-screen. better results prob would come with a more rounded cup/pot? it's just that for heating 2 cups of water nothing else is needed and anything more is just simply un-needed excess. also in consideration is how well the stove works at 1/2 capacity which is just about perfectly. looking back, I wish I had made all of the FF stoves I've made as 1/2 capacity versions. most likely I will go back and convert them all to 1/2 capacity versions..... way nicer to pack & does the job. I just think that your idea of the 1/2 capacity FF stove was an excellent idea! I just think it makes a much nicer stove and I think that the 1/2 height wick saves fuel, too! thx again.
+Martina Dejaquiz My brother was already on the trail by the time the 1/2 capacity idea occurred to me, so he did the whole trail with the full size one.
I agree with you that the 1/2 capacity version can handle just about anything 1-2 hikers would need. 90% of the time I use the smaller version. I only really use the larger one if I have a prolonged cooking task like frying bacon or cooking pasta. But even in those cases, I could use the 1/2 capacity stove and just refuel it when it burned out.
Thanks for your comment!
I agree. Great idea about a smaller stove.
These work great for boiling right in your stainless steel water bottle also!
+Alan Williams Great to know, thanks for watching and commenting about your experiences.
Great video, I normally use a cat food stove but with a stand. Cat food cans are so small that they tend to flip over in an irregular terrain when you put weight on it (specially liquids) I'll try the carbon fiber though, thanks for the tip.
Cheers.
+Survivor245 Yeah this stove does need a nice flat surface for stability.
For less expensive carbon felt go to a local welding store such as Airgas. You can buy a one foot square for around 7 bucks.
+Matthew Johnson Thanks for the tip! That's a much better price than I paid.
(First time I saw this alcohol stove.)
Great video.
i like the simplicity of it,thanks for sharing
at this moment i use a gas canister,but i swap regulary
+so steve The simplicity of building and operating this stove is one of the best things about it for sure.
ColoradoCamper thx for posting this.With so many alcohol stove builds,I almost wrote Scott Hunt,ENGINEER775 on UA-cam of Practical Preppers,one of the few Engineers like you,to seek advice from a trained pro onbthe efficacy of the multitude of builds.Thx again.Happy Trails!
Thanks for watching and commenting. From my experience, alcohol stoves are always a compromise in some way. To some people, the best stove is the lightest. To others, it's the fastest to boil. To others, its the most dependable. I define this one as the best because it scores high marks in all important categories. Cheers.
I have never had any issues with regular alcohol stoves not lighting up. I may have to hold it in my hand for 10 seconds (if its below freezing), but not 15minutes like you talk about in this video...
Espen Haug when did I ever say it takes any stove 15 minutes to light?
Great video on a great stove. Thanks for sharing! Just curious, which alcohol stove has the fastest boil time, in your experience?
The fastest one that I can recall seeing is the Evernew titanium burner in the DX stand. It is fast, but it burns fuel like crazy. It's also expensive.
These fancy feast style stoves can get pretty fast too if you make the inner can taller such that you have 1-1.25 inches between the felt and the top of the stove where the pot sits.
@@ColoradoCamper Cool. Hey thanks for the fast response as well!
I have a Trangia but I'm going time make a fancy fiest now
+Clifford Wright I think you will like the Fancy Feast. I own a Trangia and I use it a lot. But it does have some weaknesses that the Fancy Feast stove solves. The two stoves compliment each other quite well.
Hey there.
So far, this looks like the best suited stove for colder temperatures (my alcohols would simply not lit up in my CHSu's or eFREVO's at 5*C and 2000m altitude, while they do work just fine back at sea level). Two concerns about your stove, though:
1. leftover alcohol recovery (much of it trapped into the wicking material) and
2. impossibility to extinguish without a purpose-built cap.
What are your thoughts on these two issues?
Thank you so much!
1. This would be a nice feature to have, but you are correct that the fuel gets trapped in the wick. My solution is to measure out my alcohol and use what I need to do the job. With practice I have become surprisingly good at determining how much fuel I need for whichever cooking task I am doing. I may waste a small bit of fuel by using a bit more than I need, but for me that is a minor issue.
2. Most alcohol stoves I have used have this issue. The ones that can be blown out usually don't have enough power for my liking. The only alcohol stove I own that can be extinguished is the Trangia, and it comes with a special cap that allows for that feature. I always set up my stove in a safe area so that it can burn itself out without creating a hazard that would require quick extinguishing. But if you are concerned about this, simply carry another cat food can and you can place it over the flames to snuff it out.
I hope that helps answer your questions. Cheers.
Or I can set my coffee cup over it.
1. is definitely an issue, but I do as ColoradoCamper said I try to just know how much fuel I'll typically use and measure it out. I found a good solution to 2. I cut out the bottom of a half gallon milk container. Even though it is plastic, it smothers the flame quickly and doesn't melt the plastic. It weighs almost nothing. I didn't want to use my cup because I wasn't sure about alcohol vapors in my cup. I actually use two bottoms of milk containers. The other is my water scoop for when water isn't flowing. Both nest below my 32 oz. Naglene on the side pocket of my pack. Two DIY pieces of gear that weigh almost nothing and have some good use.
Thanks for sharing, Bro!
Great stove. Just heard of them. Just sarting to do research.
1. Is there any way to safely snuff them out. My son built a basic stove. He snuffed it out with a bigger can. It some how created a vacuum and spilled burning alcohol on his foot.
2. Is there anyway to keep some fuel in there. A lid maybe. Or put the whole deal in a canister??
+calvin watson 1. If you need to snuff it out, I would recommend putting a can over it that covers the entire stove and waiting 15-20 seconds to be sure it is out. Having said that, I think the safest way to operate this stove is to get experience with measuring how much fuel you need and letting the stove burn completely out.
2. I can't think of a reliable way to store fuel in it. The lid would require a very odd shape that would be difficult to make for a DIY project. Putting the stove in a sealed canister would also not work because the alcohol will evaporate and fill the canister with vapor. That would be hazardous because the vapor would be both explosive and also highly toxic if inhaled. I think trying to store fuel in this particular stove will cause a lot more problems than it would solve.
I hope that all helps!
Yes, it was cotton string...Id thought about using wicks for oil lamps too....
@prairiebison60 - Hi. I'm about three years late, but is the cotton string you mention to replace the carbon felt? Thank you.
Great video. Where can I get the translucent plastic container that holds the liquid fuel? I love that it has a small mini spout that directs fuel into the stove
Joseph Dragan I think I got it at REI, but I’m sure you can find them elsewhere. They are made by Nalgene, I have a 3oz and 4oz size.
Thanks! Love the one I built based on your video and others. Question, do you use any sort of simmer ring for it? I haven't found one but was thinking of capping the center flame with a slightly larger can bottom. That would allow the air flow but restrict the flame to the wick. Thoughts? Your suggestions?
***** I don't use a simmer ring, but Zelph (originally designed this stove) sells a simmer ring on his website in the description. It looks like you you could make your own version quite easily. Hope that helps.
The bottom of a next size up can covered the middle well and severely cut down the flame. I'll have to test again but I think it changed the boil time to 20 minutes from around 8. Not bad for tinkering. I'll look up Zeph though. Thanks! Edit: Not sure how well a Zelph-like carbon fiber ring will work on the wick Fancy Feast stove. I think a ton of testing would be in order to determine the appropriate size and hole diameter to create a decent simmer. I don't have that much carbon fiber. Good idea for sure though.
Love this! I used a fancy feast stove on my last outing in 20 degree temps and spilled the alcohol twice as well as the wind kept blowing it out. What are you using for a windscreen? Tin foil?
Thanks again!
I've tried tin foil and it's almost too lightweight for me, because the wind blows it around way too easily. I make windscreens out of beer cans. It usually takes 2-3 cans and I cut them into rectangular pieces and fold them together. They take some work to make, but they perform very well, roll up easily inside the pot, and they look slick too. I show it briefly here: ua-cam.com/video/3gZ7MwL5jEg/v-deo.htmlm14s
I do like the sleek look of the wind screen, and I can enjoy a few cold ones in making the process. Which piece do you fold to attach them?
-Andy
For the vertical joints, I just fold each can over by about 1/4 inch in opposite directions. This allows them to hook together. Then once they are hooked together, I roll the top and bottom edges down which locks the cans together.
You can save a lot of trouble with this if you have some foil tape. Then you can just overlap the cans by about an inch and tape the outside and inside to join the cans together. Then you can fold the top and bottom edges for safety since they are sharp.
Does this all make sense? I can probably do a how-to video on this if the written description isn't clear.
7:05 it may have spill resistance, but what about transporting it? You will have leaking alcohol in whatever container you keep it. You never want it to turn upside down when not in use, right?
Travis Heinze This type of stove isn't capable of transporting fuel inside it. It's meant to burn off all the fuel that's initially placed in it. Doing that will burn it dry and it won't leak any fuel after it has burned out.
The only alcohol stoves I'm aware of that allow you to transport liquid fuel inside them have a rubber gasket and a screw on lid, such as a Trangia.
I wrapped the inner cup with kite string and it works very well....
+prairiebison60 I presume it was cotton string?
Where did you buy that 4oz squeeze bottle from? I've been searching everywhere for one?
I bought it at REI years ago. It's made by Nalgene.
looks amazing
so you recommend to buy the Zelphs alcohol stove? the one in the link above?
btw i watched some of your videos and it been vary helpful...
מאיר כהן I have never bought a stove from Zelph, but his stoves have a reputation for being very good. If you don't want to bother making your own stove, then yes I would recommend buying his stove. Thanks for watching.
Can you send me a link for a good video that can teach how to make them? Thanx for commenting...
מאיר כהן This is the best one that I'm aware of. About 2-minutes in, he describes how he made it. ua-cam.com/video/p2fPIvyme9I/v-deo.html
Great video. If you cut the cat food can, why add the top back on? (Yeah, I know you invert it later for stability)
Veg Ahimsa you don’t need to add the top back on. I think it makes the base a little more rigid and strong. But it will perform just fine without the top ring.
I like the ultimate stove that I designed you can see a short vid of it on my channel
It is like Intense Angler's V8 stove heavily modified.
It has 15 1/16 inch jets. The jets are moved way up near the top 1/4 inch from the top.
A 13-14 drops to prime it looms in 4 seconds. Boils two cups in 6 1/2-7 minutes and boiled two cups in 12.5-13.5 ml denatured alcohol.
This morning 10 ml took 64 degree tap water to 190 drgrees that is only 17-18 degrees from boiling at my elevation.
If you don't want to prime the stove via a lid super glue a strip carbon felt or fiberglass wick outside the stove.
I made a clone of Zellph's Fancee Feast and every wick stove I have seen has been SLOW.
Will used my stove at 12,000 feet elevation at temps below freezing. The ultimate stove is about 25% more efficient than my mahalo. I worked with one tweak that stopped cold pot flame outs with water down around 40 degrees.
Thanks for sharing, Mato Nupai. It's great that your preferred stove is a design you came up with yourself.
If I had had my choice; I never would have made ANY alcohol stoves.
My first cook pot was the Stamley Camp pot and every alcohol stove I tried; threw a 4-5 inch flame pattern and missed the narrow bottom NO ONE made the stove I needed. Not Zellph, not Tinny, not Sam at Batchstovez, none on the 20 stoves I bought.
So I had to build a stove that met my needs and NO ONE it. Tinny made the Atomic that would have worked but needed a pot stand.
I have very poor eyesight and I avoid pot stands like the plague because I was scared I would find the pot stand AFTER I ruined it so it had to be a side burner that could cook a meal in a 24 OZ beer can.
Both my mahalo and ultimate stoves can work with pots as small as a 450 ml titanium cup.
They say necessity is the mother of invention.
Over the years I have made thousands of stoves in15-20 different designs.
Yes, finding a stove for a narrow pot that doesn't require a separate pot stand is tough. The fancy feast stove does pretty well with narrow pots, but it's not the best. It does a lot better if you make the inner can shorter to bring the flame closer to the pot.
Well my mahalo and ultimate stoves were designed from the ground up to work with small diameter pots. They were also designed yo be as economical on fuel as possible