now see this is genetic engineering done right in star trek they were basically cookie cutter models but here you have to differnt ideas on what soupier means in Tyr's Kodiak pride its power and endurance with Bolivar's jaguar its speed and cunning and really fits the name nietzschean (miss qoite) "the superman is not the perfect man he is the man who knows his flaws and trys to overcome them"
Its a pity James Marsters was so busy at the time doing both; Buffy The Vampire Slayer and later on the Angel series in the early 2000's. This is why he only appeared once here as; "Archduke Charlemagne Bolivar" in Andromeda. The character was heavily referenced prior to his appearance in this episode and several times in season 3 and 4. The character would've helped flesh out the series moreso i reckon. The whole Nietzschean dynamic in the series needed a third Nietzschean character viewpoint from somebody who wasn't; Tyr or Rhade in the show. Archduke Charlemagne Bolivar was a smaller Nietzschean in stature and came from a royal bloodline of Nietzscheans in the show. He always struck me in this episode as less of a Warrior and more of a survivor who was more; master manipulator and charmer than Nietzschean fighter even though he talks a tough Nietzschean game as they all do. Its a pity James Marsters didn't reprise the role in later episodes sadly. As more exchanges with Tyr like this would've been great to see offhand! Maybe he didn't return to the series cos as many rumors circulate, so many people on that show didn't really like star Kevin Sorbo? (shrugs).
Absolutely. I loved the show for what it was (season 5 not included) but it could've been so much more if the original writing team from season 1/half way in season 2 (until trance transformation) stayed and the background cast stayed around. Sorbo wanted to show to be more about him than it already was, which is unfortunate.
Charlemange Bolivar didn't strike me as a schemer/manipulator - He HAD those traits in Spades, yes but it almost seemed more like camouflage. That he wasn't, in the least concerned about offending Tyr (who doubtless would have disemboweled ANYONE else) held himself back. Why? No doubt he could sense that for all his "obvious" fopishness (as expected of an Archduke) that Bolivar was EVERY bit (in his way. He kept pulling weapon after weapon after weapon, after all!) a killing machine like him. After all, A Kodiak will charge you, and Just. Keep. Coming... until it gets you; The Unstoppable Master of the Forest. A Jaguar..? is an Apex Ambush Predator. The One that kills w/a single strike. Sums them both up pretty well, yeah..? Also - agree that Marsters would've RADICALLY improved the show - Like Cobb, he's 10 times the actor Sorbo EVER was...
@@Sidragrosm I don't know about offending, seems like at least anything he was saying was straight up honest, which Tyr probably would have taken better.
@@JnEricsonx Seems pretty insulting to flagrantly point out such perceived "flaws" in a now extinct (Tyr is often called the Last of the Kodiaks) Pride. Granted, I suspect that was to get Tyr's attention (hence the offer of one of his MANY sisters and female cousins). I also suspect that once Tyr had a few children, Charlemagne would have him killed. Can't go having TWO Alphas (both Apex Predators) in the same pride, after all, and if anyone could recognize what a threat Tyr could be..? it would be Charlemagne Bolivar. (at least that's what I took from their exchange...)
Omg!!! 😂😂😂 I watched this clip out of my love of watching ANYTHING with James Marsters in it and then I immediately recognized Keith H. Cobb and went, omg! That's Noah from All My Children!! 😂👍👏👏How awesome is that??!!
I agree. They got rid of the most visually striking, emotionally complicated character and replaced him with that bland Nietzschean Rhade. Tyr and Keith Hamilton Cobb deserved better. I enjoyed seeing him interact with the rest of the crew.
It’s was a travesty what happened to this show... or what Kevin Sorbo supposedly did to this show... it had too much potential and too much going for it to succeed, for it to fall apart sooooo hard. Smh a shame
@@Ragitsu Yeah, mid 2000s. Fun fact, he almost had the role of Superman in Lois and Clark before Dean Cain beat him out. I had commented that I'd seen him in some apparently embarassing movie, but it had only been for a minute, and he'd had short hair, suit, glasses, and I just thought he looked like Clark Kent. He was a nice guy, I guess we got to meet him before the troubles. Irony cause Dean Cain seems to be a bit nuts too these days.
@@JnEricsonx "He was a nice guy, I guess we got to meet him before the troubles. Irony cause Dean Cain seems to be a bit nuts too these days." Yeah...I remember reading that about Cain. All of this is a sobering reminder that hero/idol worship is not worth the pain.
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Love that ... ”highly improbable accidents that in no way can be connected to me”.
One of the few times two Nietzscheans agreed wholeheartedly on the same exact thing! Love this exchange between them as well.
One of my favorite exchanges of all time.
Space Spike!!!
Spike will always be Spike. Lol
"such imaginative hairstyles"
The eye twitch when he says "proper table manners" is pretty great too.
now see this is genetic engineering done right in star trek they were basically cookie cutter models but here you have to differnt ideas on what soupier means in Tyr's Kodiak pride its power and endurance with Bolivar's jaguar its speed and cunning and really fits the name nietzschean (miss qoite) "the superman is not the perfect man he is the man who knows his flaws and trys to overcome them"
Its a pity James Marsters was so busy at the time doing both; Buffy The Vampire Slayer and later on the Angel series in the early 2000's. This is why he only appeared once here as; "Archduke Charlemagne Bolivar" in Andromeda. The character was heavily referenced prior to his appearance in this episode and several times in season 3 and 4. The character would've helped flesh out the series moreso i reckon. The whole Nietzschean dynamic in the series needed a third Nietzschean character viewpoint from somebody who wasn't; Tyr or Rhade in the show.
Archduke Charlemagne Bolivar was a smaller Nietzschean in stature and came from a royal bloodline of Nietzscheans in the show. He always struck me in this episode as less of a Warrior and more of a survivor who was more; master manipulator and charmer than Nietzschean fighter even though he talks a tough Nietzschean game as they all do. Its a pity James Marsters didn't reprise the role in later episodes sadly. As more exchanges with Tyr like this would've been great to see offhand! Maybe he didn't return to the series cos as many rumors circulate, so many people on that show didn't really like star Kevin Sorbo? (shrugs).
Absolutely. I loved the show for what it was (season 5 not included) but it could've been so much more if the original writing team from season 1/half way in season 2 (until trance transformation) stayed and the background cast stayed around. Sorbo wanted to show to be more about him than it already was, which is unfortunate.
@@scatterthewinds3126 Ego, man. Ego destroys everything good
Charlemange Bolivar didn't strike me as a schemer/manipulator - He HAD those traits in Spades, yes but it almost seemed more like camouflage. That he wasn't, in the least concerned about offending Tyr (who doubtless would have disemboweled ANYONE else) held himself back. Why? No doubt he could sense that for all his "obvious" fopishness (as expected of an Archduke) that Bolivar was EVERY bit (in his way. He kept pulling weapon after weapon after weapon, after all!) a killing machine like him.
After all, A Kodiak will charge you, and Just. Keep. Coming... until it gets you; The Unstoppable Master of the Forest. A Jaguar..? is an Apex Ambush Predator. The One that kills w/a single strike.
Sums them both up pretty well, yeah..?
Also - agree that Marsters would've RADICALLY improved the show - Like Cobb, he's 10 times the actor Sorbo EVER was...
@@Sidragrosm I don't know about offending, seems like at least anything he was saying was straight up honest, which Tyr probably would have taken better.
@@JnEricsonx Seems pretty insulting to flagrantly point out such perceived "flaws" in a now extinct (Tyr is often called the Last of the Kodiaks) Pride. Granted, I suspect that was to get Tyr's attention (hence the offer of one of his MANY sisters and female cousins). I also suspect that once Tyr had a few children, Charlemagne would have him killed. Can't go having TWO Alphas (both Apex Predators) in the same pride, after all, and if anyone could recognize what a threat Tyr could be..? it would be Charlemagne Bolivar. (at least that's what I took from their exchange...)
I agree with Charlie Bolivars usual.
Omg!!! 😂😂😂 I watched this clip out of my love of watching ANYTHING with James Marsters in it and then I immediately recognized Keith H. Cobb and went, omg! That's Noah from All My Children!! 😂👍👏👏How awesome is that??!!
Hahaha I love this guy, basically says Tyr has a strong back and a weak mind.
You caught that huh 😂
i loved this show xD I know it doesn't have the best rep out there but there were some great characters.
Nietzscheans kickin' it.
Series went to shit after he left, awesome actor
I agree. They got rid of the most visually striking, emotionally complicated character and replaced him with that bland Nietzschean Rhade. Tyr and Keith Hamilton Cobb deserved better. I enjoyed seeing him interact with the rest of the crew.
The Spike walk
Damn it all. The more the merrier.
It’s was a travesty what happened to this show... or what Kevin Sorbo supposedly did to this show... it had too much potential and too much going for it to succeed, for it to fall apart sooooo hard. Smh a shame
I heard that Kevin Sorbo went nuts.
@@Ragitsu Thankfully I met him before he did.
@@JnEricsonx At a convention?
@@Ragitsu Yeah, mid 2000s. Fun fact, he almost had the role of Superman in Lois and Clark before Dean Cain beat him out. I had commented that I'd seen him in some apparently embarassing movie, but it had only been for a minute, and he'd had short hair, suit, glasses, and I just thought he looked like Clark Kent. He was a nice guy, I guess we got to meet him before the troubles. Irony cause Dean Cain seems to be a bit nuts too these days.
@@JnEricsonx "He was a nice guy, I guess we got to meet him before the troubles. Irony cause Dean Cain seems to be a bit nuts too these days."
Yeah...I remember reading that about Cain. All of this is a sobering reminder that hero/idol worship is not worth the pain.
Albert Wesker's still alive?
Charlemagne Bolivar was the most under-utilized character in the whole show. Such a waste of a great actor and character!
It's like watching Spike from Buffy the Vampire Slayer but in space
It would be great if one of sara descendants end up with Dylan son or direct descendants if he has one with a allen queen 👑?
His acting is terrible. It physically hurts.