No apostle and Jesus Himself ever referred to Lazarus as a picture of our conversion. I'm constantly amazed at Calvinists who scoff at us when we bring up the Prodigal Son as a picture of conversion while they go to Lazarus as one and yet they have the nerve to actually believe they should be taken seriously as proper exegetes of scripture. It's baffling to me. People need to learn to think and study for themselves, to test if what these men say is true.
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Calvinists do not scoff at the Prodigal Son as a picture of conversion. We scoff at it being proof of some mysterious “libertarian free will”. The point of the parable is God’s joy at the repentance of those who were lost… not that men have some kind of libertarian free will. Meanwhile, Paul uses resurrection as an analogy in Ephesians 2.
@@brentonstanfield5198there's nothing mysterious about fre will . Everyone believes in free will except atheist, calvinist and the quran . Not very good company actually.
@@brentonstanfield5198 No one studying scripture will go for this nonsense of the Great Darkness Studio. Our salvation is like a door on the outside it says "Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." (Matthew 11:28-30) When we have entered trough the Door and look back, it says: For many are called, but few are chosen.”Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.” So if one beliefs that we have a free will and not God but we are choosing, and have the ability to accept or reject Jesus by our will and action. Then those are still gazing at the outside of the door.
Doing a deep dive into the culture of the Jews during this time is helpful when interpreting Scripture. Lazarus is sick and dying and Jesus delays going there. By the time Jesus arrives the text states, "So when Jesus came, He found that he had already been in the tomb four days." (John 12:17). The Jews believed that someone could possibly come back to life (a resuscitation) within 3 days, but after that the spirit had left and it was no longer possible. This is the reason for his delay. He is about to resurrect someone who they believe has had his spirit leave and has no possible way of living now outside of the future resurrection, and yet Jesus does exactly this. He had done the impossible. We lose the great message that Jesus has for us when we use this narrative the way that Calvinists do.
@ogmakefirefiregood1202 that's like asking if there's a verse for THE TRINITY . Everyone who believes what the Bible says knows that Lazarus was a believer.
“Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if only you had been here, my brother would not have died. But even now I know that God will give you whatever you ask.” Jesus told her, “Your brother will rise again.” “Yes,” Martha said, “he will rise when everyone else rises, at the last day.”” John 11:21-24 NLT Martha says “yes, he will rise when everyone else rises, at the last day” implying that yes, he was a believer.
These ministers are comparing Lazarus’s physical death to the spiritual death of humans as they walk around in their living bodies. Ever heard of comparing apples and oranges? That’s what this is. I don’t think that comparison works very well. Lazarus was spiritually alive when he died - he was a believer. Jesus raised Lazarus from his grave, or tomb, in order to a) again prove His divinity, to b) show His love for Lazarus and his family and friends, and c) give them all hope that he will raise up all of his followers, all those who believe in Him, at God’s appointed time, just as he had said. Thank you Jordon! I think God’s word is much more easy to understand with clarity when you don’t get distracted and confused with all the man-made philosophies and traditions - such as Calvinism - but rather simply believe what the Bible teaches us. God is not the author of confusion. Be like the Bereans and check what you hear preached with what God’s Word says. Thank you so much for this clarity, Jordon.
Reformed: Catholics take Jesus's analogy too far, He is not saying the bread literally becomes His physical flesh Also Reformed: Dead in sin means unable to respond like a literal corpse
Exactly , I just made that same point . Just listen to the prayer our SAVIOR said just before HE raised him . Calvinists have little to no respect for the integrity of scripture and what it says in context especially as they constantly claim it says what they want it to say instead of what it actually says in context.
Just watched a crime doc where a young man murdered a pastor and his wife and their daughter and a friend in Farmville, VA with an axe. When the cops were leading him away, a reporter asked him why he did it, and the young man said, "Jesus made me do it." As a non-Calvinist, I must ask Calvinists: Why would Jesus put this lie into his mouth? If God determined all of this kid's words and deeds (and determined he would hack these people up), why would God Almighty ever have anyone say these words out loud? Why falsely implicate His own Son? Why even put the thought into anyone's head? Answer: He didn't!
God didn't put the lie into his mouth. God didn't put the TRUTH in Him. The whole point of UN-Godliness is that men WITHOUT GOD do UN-Godly things (i.e. lie and do evil).
Not the calvinists fault. Jesus predicted false Christs, false teachers, seducing spirits, even self deceived Christians would come into this world. These could not have happened if God did not permit it by His decrees. These are volitional creatures that will be held accountable.
Calvinists do not believe in Causal Determinism. God did not make him do anything. But God permitted it and therefore had to determine to permit it. It is the same as saying why is God not stopping something evil while it is occurring. He has the power, but has determined not to do that. This is very easy to understand if you study all of Gods attributes.
@freeguy7628 I think you will find they do not. God determined to permit evil so therefore since God is good and cannot do evil his permission to allow it, is good.
When interpreting Scripture we first need to define what type of Scripture are we reading. The story in John about Lazarus is a historical narrative. Because it is a historical narrative we take that what we are reading actually happened. It isn't an allegory or even a parable. Most of these preachers of Calvinism would berate anyone for taking a historical narrative and spiritualizing the passage or allegorizing the passage, and yet they will continue to use it as an allegory simply because it fits their narrative.
First I am not a calvinist nor am I defending their use of the raising of Lazarus.....but just as an reminder Paul used the historical narrative of Hagar & Sara as an allegory in Galatians 4.
@@mrhickswife Yes, this is really a good point. However, if the great apostle Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, allegorizes something I take that as truth and that he has the divine authority and insight to do so. I would not put others in the same category as the apostle Paul and would not want to bank my theology on them allegorizing any passage. It is a slippery slope when people do this. They can believe it if they want to for their own personal edification, but not to teach it to others.
Don’t get me wrong… I appreciate many of these pastors and know many have been saved through them. 💕 But I was shook and also saddened that so many of these well known and respected Calvinist pastors preached the Lazarus story in a way to support their Calvinism. I mean I already knew it was commonly explained that way by many lay Calvinists. But these leading Calvinist pastors often do stress exposition and exegesis. I was shocked that they, too, used eisegesis and read Calvinism INTO the narrative of Lazarus rather than true exposition and reading the text it plainly. 😢
They're false teachers my friend, teach a false gospel as they tie their limited atonement to it taking away from what CHRIST JESUS has done for mankind .
Man! So good! CONTEXT matters indeed Thanks Jordan. Don’t stop. These videos are so needed in the Body or Christ right now. The Lord is doing something!! Blessings~~
For those of you thinking "How could these great men of God be wrong?" I encourage you to look to the scriptures and know that as iron sharpens iron so one man sharpens another. There are many brilliant people at the medical school I attend but they are morally bankrupt. Man can be wrong. God's word will stand forever and stand as true.
@@KnightFelsure theology may differ The Holy loving righteous God does not change. If your theology has god acting like the devil It means the devil pulled it of.
"Isn't this the uniqueness of Christianity, the Gospel?...God hasn't left anyone to themselves." Man, that's such a good point! I hope you don't mind if I steal that for a future sermon!
Lazarus is a poor analogy, because he was dead dead, not “spiritually dead” (which is not found in the Bible). The NT only has three verses saying that living people “were dead.” But, in all three cases they “were dead in trespasses.” An important difference. Lazarus was dead. He was not “dead in trespasses.” Those who are now “in Christ” are now no longer “dead in trespasses.” This has nothing to do with Lazarus. That scene was about the authentication of the power that Jesus has.
@@stephenmorrison335 Which Israel? God’s spiritual Israel that belongs to those that believe and has part in all Gods ‘s promises, or the physical Israel? I just meant to point out that it’s a wonderful testimony of God giving life, that’s all.
Thank you for a well made video. Most likely our Calvinist brothers and sisters won’t appreciate this though! A perfect example of that a passage out of context and making it a pretext
@@eiontactics9056so when Calvinists preach repent and believe the gospel and strive for holiness, that’s not Christianity? You’re full of pride. God doesn’t save you by your understanding of the sovereignty of God or exactly how Soteriology works, but by grace through faith in Christ Jesus, which is exactly what calvinists and non-calvinists alike preach. Calvinists are brothers in Christ. Get off your high horse.
This is one of the best presentations of this passage I have found. Clear & understandable. I especially like the segment before the conclusion. As a Pastor, let me say Thank you, for your work in this area. We have had a minor run-in with Calvinism in our area. What confuses many in the pews is that Calvinists use the same terminology as the non-Calvinists. But the definitions are different. Many times, you will have Calvinists in your pews or pulpit & won't know until it has already caused damage that sometimes cannot be repaired.
Thanks for your encouragement! I'm glad the videos are helpful. You are absolutely right. We use the same terminology but very often a totally different understanding of what different words and concepts mean. This leads to a lot of talking past each other I think.
Thank You Father in Heaven for this true brother being convicted and seeking the truth and teaching your people to flee from the deceitful teaching of many false teachers. May apologia and all deceitful false brothers be exposed and rejected and may they repent before Christ returns, in Jesus Christ's name, amen.
Ezekiel 37 is a perfectly detailed description of how the believer is saved. The dead valley of dry bones gets life breathed into them by almighty God. That’s powerful.
Ezekiel 37 looks like a prophecy directed at the whole house of Israel and in harmony with Romans 11 "all Israel shall be saved..." The Lord himself used an OT account as a "perfectly detailed description of how the believer is saved" when He said, "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life." Were John 3:14,15 to rather say something like, ""And as Ezekiel prophetically spoke of dry bones coming to life, so must you wait for your dry bones to received life from the breath of God" then the proposition above would have Scriptural support instead of being unsubstantiated opinion.
@@williammarinelli2363 Yes well, all Israel is undoubtedly all of Israel, meaning all who believe, jew and greek, who partake in all of God’s promises, as Paul says in Romans 9: ”But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but "Through Isaac shall your offspring be named." This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.” Romans 9:6-8 Therefore, the promise of receiving life and grace are also applied to those who by faith are grafted into the tree of Israel.
Leighton Flowers called out Durban for abusing church history to justify Calvinism when Calvinists have long admitted that total inability only became part of mainstream Christianity after Augustine.
Yep he's a false teacher and the no. 1 student of James white . The James white who git a tattoo at 50 sometime years old to be cool like Jeff who actually has John Calvin's name tattooed on his body . Yeah , that's how bad it truly is .
@@martytu20-- Jesus and the Apostles beg to differ; the inability of the spiritually dead to effect their own salvation, even in part, is clearly taught in the New Testament. St Augustine merely saw that, and taught it with more emphasis than did previous teachers, who were dealing with other matters, such as who Christ was.
@@gregb6469 what scripture and verse is that? Is it the one of the many like John 3:16 that says those who believe on the Son won’t perish? Or like Ephesians 6:8-9 that says it is only grace through faith that you can be saved and not by works? There is a clear choice all through the New Testament to either choose life or choose death. You have to listen to a man’s opinion rather than the Bible to believe in any point of Calvinism. It is absolutely false. Adam had a choice, life or death. We also have a choice, accept or reject. Accepting our debt was paid has nothing to do with adding our works to it. It is the opposite, it is turning away from our own works and accepting the finished works on the cross
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; the one who believes in Me will live, even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?” John 11:25-26 NASB2020 So they removed the stone. And Jesus raised His eyes, and said, “Father, I thank You that You have heard Me. But I knew that You always hear Me; nevertheless, because of the people standing around I said it, so that they may believe that You sent Me.” John 11:41-42 NASB2020 To me the point of all of this is that those where there would believe in Jesus as the Messiah not Lazarus. I dont understand how the Calvanist analogy completely ignores that.
“Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.” Romans 1:24-25 ESV
The point is that Lazarus, though dead, was not unable to hear Jesus's command. Unbelievers, though 'dead in their trespasses and sins', CAN hear the command to repent and believe.
Good dive into this. It's good to move away from "could" questions (could the text be interpreted this way) to "should" questions (how did the Biblical author intend for this to be read).
It seems that Calvinists take the parable of Lazarus to mean we can't believe because we are spiritually dead (God must first raise you from the dead spiritually so that you can believe). But look at the scripture in John 11, the reason Jesus raised Lazarus is so people would simply see and believe in Him. One view is simple, the other an overcomplication. John 11: 14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. 15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may [ BELIEVE ] ; nevertheless let us go unto him. 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that [ BELIEVETH ] in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. [ BELIEVEST ] thou this? 27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I [ BELIEVE ] that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world. 40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest [ BELIEVE ] , thou shouldest see the glory of God? 41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. 42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may [ BELIEVE ] that thou hast sent me. 45 Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, [ BELIEVED ] on him. 47 Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles. 48 If we let him thus alone, all men will [ BELIEVE ] on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.
The Narrative of Lazarus: 1 scene is enough to prove that Jesus is the resurrection and the life (the main point of the passage), but 1 scene is not enough to prove total depravity (or inability)
A few years back a friend of mine gave a passionate sermon on how this passage proves Calvinism. He was newly converted to it, and I knew this can’t be right but didn’t know how to address it in bible study group. Later I did have a conversation with him and now he states he isn’t sure that God is good, but he is banking based on certain passages he will still go to heaven. So at least for him Calvinism lead him to doubt Good’s goodness. To me that’s a red flag that something is majorly wrong with Calvinism. Thanks for the video, Calvinist make the huge error of starting with the systematic first then going into the scriptures to find a way to support it. That’s not how it works.
While being “dead in your trespasses and sins” does not mean “inability,” Ephesians 2:12 describes them as having “no hope.” Since they are darkened in their understanding and excluded from the life of God, being dead in trespasses and sins results in an inability to repent and to submit to Christ. After all, how is it that someone living under those descriptions, who is in constant, willful rebellion against God, who has been excluded from the life of God and without hope could then submit himself to God without being regenerated (Romans 3:10-18, 8:7, John 8:34, 43-44, 47)? Simply stated, it is impossible, after all, they are a people who cannot see, who cannot hear, who cannot understand, and who cannot be healed (cf. Matthew 13:13, Isaiah 6:8-10).
Eph 2:1 says we "WERE dead in [our] trespasses and sins.", Romans 6:16 says our sin is "LEADING to death", Romans 7:13 says that sin "was PRODUCING death", and John 8:24 says that "you WILL die in your sins." The past tense verb in Eph 2:1, dead, is to emphasize what was the final result of a their previous sinful condition. In other words, the Ephesians were as good as dead while in their sins, but were made alive through Christ.(somewhat hyperbolic speech) In the same way we are "seated with [Christ] in the heavens" (Eph 2:5), even though I'm currently in my bedroom. It's the final result of my current condition of being in Christ.
The term heavens doesn’t mean where people go when they die. It’s a Jewish idiom for the ruling class. Christ people are priests and kings of the ruling class. The kingdom of God.
Yeshua wept when Lazarus died, because He knew Lazarus and Lazarus knew Yeshua as Messiah. He raised him to show His exceptional glory and as a sign that the Son of man would experience the same thing, when Yahweh would call Him from the tomb-the first fruit among many brothers. It was a sign of our ultimate resurrection when Yeshua returns. Our glorious hope! Calvinists, man. Wow.
Hi Jordan. I’m Owen. I’d like to see some non-Calvinist interpretation of 1 Corinthians 1:30. I have always cited eph 1:13 as my “soteriological” hinge pin but I have to be honest and say it kinda looks like God places us in Christ. It kinda resembles the “sovereign election” of reformed theology. I seem to be in an interpretive rut. Please say more than just eluding to Him placing us in Christ on the condition of faith. I’ve been stuck on this for a while now.
Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes and to carefully observe My ordinances. The Lord makes dry bones live and causes them to do things? Oh my my my!
I praise God for leading me to bible teachers like Steve Gregg, Leighton Flowers, David Pawson, Ben Witherington III, and so much more. I was so close ro embracing Calvinism a few years ago, but Jesus snatched me away from that refuse theology in just the right time! Thank you for your videos man!
Calvinists don't really believe their own argument that Lazarus is reflective of 'dead in sins'. Otherwise you'd see them evangelising to literal corpses in cemeteries.
Excellent understanding 👏 Jesus also did it this way was SO THAT.... John 11:15,42 [15]And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent YE MAY BELIEVE; nevertheless let us go unto him. [42]And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, THAT THEY MAY BELIEVE that thou hast sent me. Interesting fact the Jewish tradition believed that the soul hovers over the body for 3 days waiting to see if the body wakes for whatever reason. Many think this is why he waited the extra 2 days to resurrect him to be added proof that He not only raised him from the dead but brought his soul back to him. May God continue to bless your ministry 🙌
Just going to drop this here… “Therefore God gave them up to vile impurity in the lusts of their hearts, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for falsehood, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.” Romans 1:24-25 “But a natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.” 1 Corinthians 2:14
Let me pick that up for you... 1 Corinthians 3:1 - "But I, brothers, could not address you as spiritual people, but as people of the flesh, as infants in Christ."
@@noncalvinistbydecree1672 I think you have failed to realize that the first two chapters of 1 Corinthians are contrasting believers and non-believers, and that the difference is the Holy Spirit working in the believers life. The same thing can be seen in Romans 8 - “7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.” Also, keep in mind that 1 Corinthians 2:14 is restatement of 1 Corinthians 1:18 - “18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.” Now what about 1 Corinthians 3:1? Well, firstly lets establish that Paul is writing to believers (1 Corinthians 1:2, 1 Corinthians 3:16). Yes, they are acting fleshly, but Paul is telling them that they shouldn’t be because they have the Holy Spirit living in them (1 Corinthians 3:16), and that is why there is a contrast in the first two chapters of believers and non-believers. Furthermore, if they are “natural” people who don’t “accept the things of the Spirit of God” (1 Corinthians 2:14), the rest of the letter wouldn’t do any good, would it? The whole point is, and I repeat, that because the Holy Spirit is living in them, they shouldn’t be acting fleshly.
I often wonder how much that is relegated to "emotionalism" is really the conviction of the Holy Spirit. Anyway, if anyone wants to hear something true and beautiful, there is a new post on a site called 618 , called "How Calvinism Almost Destroyed My Faith". I don't think we should be ashamed that we have been harmed by doctrines of devils that were meant for harm. And knowing the harm that can result, we know that we need to help people see through the lies that were so costly for us to come out of. Gods character is so important an issue; it is how we know Him personally, and it is our basis for trust, both that which we get from the Bible, and that which we get from the Holy Spirit's conviction about Himself, God the Father and Jesus, and the Bible. Anyway, I will post the url in another comment. I can't remember exactly what the policy on links is.
Jordan, this video, basically shows the world... that Calvinist are not biblical when it comes to the "Ordus Salutes". Sad, RC Sprouls left this planet not having led ONE PERSON TO CHRIST. Calvinism is a Laissez-faire Doctrine, meaning no requirements (faith), no accountability (No responsible to tell others about Jesus), no purpose (Purpose is wrapped up in God Dependence), if it happens its Gods will if not, its not Gods Will, absolutely no relationship with God, the doctrine of Calvinist alienates Calvinist from coming daily to God, in prayer. Its hard for me to believe that Calvinist Ministers actually believe what they say....
These so-called theologians sure know their Calvinism really well. Too bad they don’t know the Scriptures like they know Calvinism. If they did, their Calvinist beliefs would dissipate rather quickly.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when *the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God:* and they that hear *shall* live.
Interesting that… ““Jesus said to her, “Did I not tell you that if you believed you would see the glory of God?”” John 11:40 And I also wonder why Eph 5:14 is never brought up. “…for anything that becomes visible is light. Therefore it says, “Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.” BELIEVE first and see God’s glory and AWAKE first and Christ will shine on you. Not the Calvinist ordo.
Calvinists have a very selective acceptance of texts my friend. They hammer on the ons they like to twist and ignore all of the explicit full atonement passages that prove they're preaching a false gospel and blaspheming CHRIST.
In addition to the points you made, Jesus in John 11:14 explicitly claims that He's doing the miracle "so that you may believe," a strange statement if faith is a result of effectual regeneration.
This story has absolutely nothing to do with salvation and for so many reasons. It only acturally reflects horribly on the people who use it to desperately conjure up a proof yet to me it seems more like deception than anything else.
Read the recent book "The Foundation of Augustinian-Calvinism" by Ken Wilson, if you want to understand the origin of the doctrine. In the passage below Paul said a person must "hear" the Gospel and "believe" the Gospel, and then be "sealed" with the Holy Spirit. Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, What is the "gift" in Ephesians 2:8? The answer is revealed in two other verses from the same letter. The gift is grace, instead of faith. Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Eph 3:7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. Eph 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
I don't get the urge by so many to downgrade God's sovereignty and boast man's supposed ability. Do they not realize that when the original couple sinned in the Garden they DIED spiritually (and began to die physically), they weren't merely injured or sickened?
Sovereignty is not a word found in my Bible so I see no need to pay lip service to it, or at least request it be defined - what do you mean by sovereignty? The original couple, having died spiritually (agreed!) could still hear the voice of God and respond by receiving God's provision - the coats of skins. Those dead in trespasses and sins in Eph 2:1 are still able to walk and converse (verse 2, 3). The prodigal was called dead by his father (twice) and was still ABLE to come to himself. When Paul refers to the Scriptures which "are ABLE to make thee wise unto salvation" consider that man is enabled by heeding the sufficient and understandable Word of God.
@@gregb6469 I asked you to define sovereignty - what you mean by it. Why should that be a stumper? Since the word, sovereignty is not in my Bible, what do you mean by the so-called concept of it? Based on how it's defined by the one making the truth claim I may affirm or deny. The prophet to Ahab: "Thus saith the LORD, Because thou hast let go out of thy hand a man whom I appointed to utter destruction..." Please feel free to share your thus-far-unspecified concept of sovereignty harmonizes with this passage - what was appointed? who appointed? and what happened? 1 Kings 20:42. Thanks.
@@williammarinelli2363-- I get the distinct impression that all you want to do is argue, and that you would ignore or reject anything I said. I have better uses for my time. If you want a definition of sovereignty, open any good Bible or theological dictionary.
Only in the minds of blasphemous calvinist ideologues is Jordan incorrect in claiming that the story of Lazarus has nothing to do with salvation. CHRIST JESUS raised Lazarus to show the people WHO HE IS , THE MESSIAH, THE SON OF GOD. Have you ever thought about how ridiculous it is to claim the story of Lazarus is about salvation when considering the fact that Lazarus was a believer both times he died . Lol 🤣 😆 😂.
@@ManassehJones only physically as scripture tells us . I've never rejected GOD and HIS love for me . I called on CHRIST JESUS to be my SAVIOR at 9 years old and have been reading and studying scripture for 45 years since then, which allows me to know that you're a false teacher and spread a false gospel as you tie your unbiblical limited atonement to it. The gospel is good news but limited atonement isn't good news and isn't found anywhere in scripture but there are those who lie about it and claim it is within scripture but can't seem to show anyone where it's explicitly in scripture like we see so very many full atonement passages in scripture thar proves calvinism to be a satanic lie that diminishes the work of our SAVIOR CHRIST JESUS. Also, one who believes that atonement equals salvation has a fundamental misunderstanding of biblical sacrificial atonement. Atonement only brings salvation when faith is applied by those who have been atoned for and CHRIST IS the propitiation for our sins and not only ours but for the sins of the whole world q John 2 : 2 and the grace that brings salvation has appeared to all , Titus 2 : 11, because when CHRIST was lifted up HE drew all men unto HIMSELF John 12 : 32 . And mark 16 : 15 tells us that CHRIST has offered salvation to every creature in the whole world , so why do you ignore or deny the truth of these passages Manny? Are you really going to try to twist everyone of them or just ignore them , because there are dozens more that prove calvinism is a satanic lie against the gospel of CHRIST JESUS that diminishes HIS work for HIS creation.
" If, then, the Lord in the greatness of His grace and mercy raises our souls to life, that we may not die for ever, we may well understand that those three dead persons whom He raised in the body, have some figurative significance of that resurrection of the soul which is effected by faith: He raised up the ruler of the synagogue's daughter, while still lying in the house; Mark 5:41-42 He raised up the widow's young son, while being carried outside the gates of the city; Luke 7:14-15 and He raised up Lazarus, when four days in the grave. Let each one give heed to his own soul: in sinning he dies: sin is the death of the soul. But sometimes sin is committed only in thought. You have felt delight in what is evil, you have assented to its commission, you have sinned; that assent has slain you: but the death is internal, because the evil thought had not yet ripened into action. The Lord intimated that He would raise such a soul to life, in raising that girl, who had not yet been carried forth to the burial, but was lying dead in the house, as if sin still lay concealed. But if you have not only harbored a feeling of delight in evil, but hast also done the evil thing, you have, so to speak, carried the dead outside the gate: you are already without, and being carried to the tomb. Yet such an one also the Lord raised to life. and restored to his widowed mother. If you have sinned, repent, and the Lord will raise you up, and restore you to your mother Church" (St Augustine, Tractate 49)
If Calvinism were true then the Bible would be written totally different than it is. There would be no need for the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden of Eden. John 3:16 would read, "For God so loved the elect that He predestined everyone to heaven or hell. And Abraham's Faith wouldn't be credited to him as righteousness, but God's Irresistible Grace would be shoved down Abraham's throat. The systematic theology of Calvinism or reformed theology complicates the simple Gospel message, and is unbiblical. This branch of theology turns God into a monster who arbitrarily picks people to go to heaven and people to go to hell when the Bible clearly teaches that God gives people a choice in the matter. You can accept or reject the good news of what Jesus has done. It's a choice. You can decide to repent and live a new life pleasing to God or you can reject such a lifestyle. You can even become a Christian and then deny the faith or be faithful until death. It's all a choice. Calvinist theologians will say that because of their made up doctrine of Total Depravity we are so dead (not just spiritually separated) that we can't even make a choice and that God has to choose for us, but that flies in the face of common sense and Scripture. Everyone is alive enough to pick out what they want for breakfast (in most cases) but when it comes to choosing God or rejecting Him, Calvinists believe that God forces us to make a choice because we are unable to. Calvinists go so far as to say that God actually ordains every act of evil and they completely leave out Satan. Calvinists sound more like Job's complaining friends because they constantly blame God for evil and leave out free will and demonic influence. One thing that really bothers me about Calvinism is they say God is glorified even when something evil happens and that it was His will. But the Bible teaches that Satan is the author of evil and people can make evil choices outside of God's will. I speak out about Calvinism because I think it's harmful to people mentally and spiritually. For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 NIV Jesus willingly paid the penalty for our sins (for the sins of the whole world) by being falsely accused, tortured and then executed on a Roman cross. We deserve separation from God and eternal punishment in hell because we have all sinned against our Creator who is Holy and does no evil. The free gift of salvation is available to everyone who believes of their own free will. The work has already been done by God through Christ. All we have to do is accept the free gift He is offering us by faith. The gift of salvation, a new life with God, and The Holy Spirit. If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead you shall be saved. Then be baptized for the remission of your sins and follow the teachings of Christ and the apostles; enduring to the end.
The idea of baptismal regeneration kills the Calvinist ordo saludis because you have to believe before you are baptized and in baptism you are buried with and raised with Christ (Rom 6, Col 2:11,12). Yes, the NT teaches baptismal regeneration.
So you're a Roman catholic or a COC member ? I'm completely anticalvinist but scripture never says that water baptism is essential for salvation my friend. The original calvinists believe that water baptism is essential for salvation as well.
Consistent Calvinist A. W. Pink to the rescue on this point in offering course correction to fellow Calvinists: "The physical condition of those in the cemetery is vastly different from the moral state of the unregenerate still upon the earth. The former cannot sin, cannot reject Christ; the latter can and do. The former cannot read their Bibles or call upon God for mercy; the latter should! It is because the natural man possesses the same faculties of soul as does the regenerate that he is an accountable creature, responsible to use them for God instead of against Him."
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience- among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ-by grace you have been saved- and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:1-10 ESV
Notice that in verse 5 Paul makes being made alive with Christ synonymous with being saved by grace? Therefore in verse 8 we can say that not only are we saved by grace through faith but also made alive with Christ through faith, since they cannot be separated. Since faith is the means (through literally means "by the means of") by which we are saved by grace / made alive with Christ then it has to precede being made alive. Therefore any idea that we must be made alive prior to faith is refuted by the text itself.
@nathanhellrung9810 lol! How you been? He must have unblocked me. That's funny. But yeah, I confirmed it with my wife's UA-cam account. He blocked me. I posted one from a dead account I hadn't used in years, he blocked it too I posted this one and he must have unblocked this. Im not debating this. You know that I mostly post scripture. He blocked me. Leighton Flowers has blocked me for over a month for the same reason. I wasted so much time posting on soteriology 101 only to learn I was blocked. But I digress, if you really think the Bible backs you up, you wouldn't block users that post scripture. At best you'd explain that my take is wrong. You at least do that. Blocking a user is cowardly and dishonest. He must have been convicted and unblocked me. This is hilarious. I love this story.
@nathanhellrung9810 but regarding your comment, being synonymous to salvation does not negate my position. In fact, I'm noticing a consistent method of argument. You make a very minor, obvious unrelated side comment like as if I don't understand perintheses. Then by stating that, somehow my point is wrong. How on earth would being made alive in Christ NOT mean salvation? Is THIS what stands in your way from being a calvinist? Do you think we preach that everyone is a literal dead body until they are made alive? Please tell me it's that! Your argument is the equivalent of me pointing out some grass and I say "this is grass." And you respond with "no. See that house? This is a lawn."
I want to make a well thought out and clear response but I just got home and I am tired. However I would like to say a few things if I could.( BTW our next video could cover regeneration preceding faith if that works for you.) 1. I have never really thought this story was a really strong case for how we are saved. I am always abit leary when a Christian makes a case for something but it is not clearly described in Gods word to be used for that purpose. Like you I think there can be some parallels drawn but Jesus never said this is to teach how we are saved ( that would have been very helpful) 2. I would point out some interesting things from earlier in John 11. vs 3,4 -" Lord , he whom you love is ill. But when Jesus heard it He said " This illness does not lead to death. It is for the Glory of God. so that the Son of God may be glorified through it." a. But the illness did lead to death. Why did Jesus say that? I think you are correct in that it refers to a future of us being saved from the second death. b. Wait a minute, I thought Jesus loved everyone and is trying to save all? c. If this is done to bring glory to God, then God has determined that Lazarus would die for that purpose. So God has used evil ( death ) to bring himself glory. That point seems to be a problem with non Calvinists. As a Calvinist I would say - God has determined to permit something evil to come to pass for the purpose of bringing Himself Glory. But God is not the perpetrator of that evil. ( I think John Piper would agree with this statement also since you have used him to refute this point in the past) 3. When you read the entire 4th chapter of 1 Thessalonians it is clear that it is talking about those who died prior to Jesus coming to earth. They were worried about those who died before but Paul is assuring them that they too will be raised in the last days. 4. You mentioned some of the other miracles but they all were not people touching Jesus first. I do believe that his healing people is the clear teaching of Christs purpose for Him coming and and is the analogy of Him granting salvation. MacArthur has a great sermon on Luke 4 about this. ua-cam.com/video/f8jQKigWZNo/v-deo.html I could talk for hours on this stuff. Always learning.
Only to your first point, I’d be interested to know the titles of the sermons/messages Jordan pulled his clips from. For example, I’m almost positive the Sproul clips are from a message where he is discussing Ephesians 2, and it is in Ephesians 2 where Paul uses the “death” motif alongside the “raised to life/resurrection” motif. Well, since we have a passage that gives us a real life example of resurrection (Lazarus) then it is appropriate to draw parallels. But yes, I don’t think most Calvinists claim that John 11 and “being born again” are directly analogous.
I dont know how anyone born again from above by the will and grace of God alone cannot see the parallels to Lazarus. Like Lazarus, we were dead to God until He raised us to life in Christ. Although Lazarus was a "believer" before he died, it was God who killed him. It was God who also raised him up to new life. Did you not die when you were born again from above? Yes, you did. Who killed you? GOD. Can "life" be new when the old remains alive? Answer: no. The old you died when you were born again from above, and like Lazarus being dead and unable to respond by "choice" to being raised to life, neither is man the determiner. Lazarus is clearly depicting the fact that man does NOT "choose" Life from the grave, the power of Gods grace alone according to election does.
But no: you cant "respond" unless there is something or someone to respond to. What we are all responding to is the drawing of the Holy Spirit to Jesus. YES, we need that work to come to God. Where they err is in saying that God only draws a little handful of people, when the Bible says just the opposite, over and over and over.
4 Biblical paradigms for "Dead in trespasses and sins": (1) Adam, who hid from God but could still hear God and respond to Him. (2) Jesus gave the example of the starving Jews who were dying of hunger but could still accept the manna and eat it to live. (3) Jesus gave the example of Israelites poisoned by serpents. They were dying, but still able to look up at the Bronze Serpent and live. (4) Jesus told the parable of the prodigal son, who was starving and separated from his father, but he could still feel his hunger and decide to return home. Accept the paradigms Jesus used. Reject the paradigms used by Calvinists. Calvinist brothers, if your system doesn’t fit with the paradigms Jesus used, then modify your system!
No, they haven’t added to the gospel because they don’t know the gospel. They’ve just weaponised the scripture to suit their own messed up man made theology. ✌🏼
1Th 4:16 ISV With a shout of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of God’s trumpet, the Lord himself will come down from heaven, and the dead who belong to the Messiah will rise first. What's amazing is the preceding verse changing subject 1Th 4:15 ISV For we declare to you what the Lord has told us to say: We who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have died. We who are alive and remain until the coming (Parosia) Mat 16:27-28 ISV 27 The Son of Man is going to come with his angels in his Father’s glory, and then he will repay everyone according to what he has done. 28 I tell all of you with certainty, some people standing here will not experience death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” Rev 14:15 ISV Another angel came out of the Temple, crying out in a loud voice to the one who sat on the cloud, “Swing your sickle, and gather the harvest, for the hour has come to gather it, because the harvest of the earth is fully ripe.” Dan 12:1-2 ISV 1 “‘At that time, Michael will arise, the great prince who will stand up on behalf of your people, and a time of trouble will come like there has never been since nations began until that time. Also at that time, your people will be delivered-everyone who will have been written in the book. 2 Many of those who are sleeping in the dust of the earth will awaken-some to life everlasting, and some to disgrace and everlasting contempt. Just conecting the dots😊
I think you missed the entire point of the ANALOGY between RESURRECTION and NEW BIRTH. No one contends they are the same thing. As you rightly point out, Lazarus was already a believer, he was already born again. The contention is that they occur in the SAME WAY. For example, no one is saying the Lazarus story is an EXAMPLE of new birth, but merely an analogy to it. We all agree that the the resurrection of the body is the FINAL STEP (see Paul's teaching on this in 1 Corinthians 15:42-49). In the END, the ENTIRE man will be made new at the RESURRECTION. What is our guarantee that we will be among them? It is the NEW BIRTH IN OUR HEARTS. What God has STARTED with the renewal of our hearts will END with the renewal of the WHOLE MAN. Indeed, we KNOW we have a resurrection of the WHOLE MAN because God has already done it to OUR HEART, i.e. made it alive. The burden is on you to show the DISJUNCTION between the two. That LIFE is given to the heart because of OUR FAITH but that LIFE is given to the whole body because of the CALL OF CHRIST. I don't think you did that. As we discussed a week or so ago, being born again has a definite result... it results in being able to SEE THE KINGDOM. You played the clip of Leighton speaking of "our debt" and the "ability to repay it" versus "the ability to acknowledge that we owe it and cannot repay it and accept the gift from our friend to repay it". But that is the point, until one is born again... they CANNOT even see the debt, thus cannot acknowledge that it is owed, thus we cannot see that Christ has the ability to pay the debt, and thus we cannot ask Him to do so. Those who are not born again know NOTHING of Christ's kingship or of their obligation to Him. But once they have been born again they DO SEE IT. What is the PROOF that they have been born again? It is an ACKNOWLEDGMENT that they owe the debt... they SEE IT NOW... it is repentance as the Tax Collector did and the Publican could not. It is then FAITH since they now see Christ's kingship and His ability to forgive all of their debt.
Ok but where does the Bible say Lazarus is an analogy of being born again? Jesus literally gives salvation analogies (parables) in the Bible that talk about the prodigal son for example, choosing to repent.
@@estherruth4692 - I was difficult to tell from the clips Jordan was using, but I don’t think anyone says outright that the resurrection of Lazarus is intended to be an analogy to new birth EXCEPT that they are discussing Paul’s language in Ephesians 2:1-10, and it’s analogy to being dead and raised. So, in Ephesians 2, Paul is drawing an analogy between resurrection and our going from Spiritual death to life. I assume that most of the clips were taken from sermons on Ephesians 2 and using Lazarus to illustrate the point that it is by the power of God.
But that is the point, until one is born again... they CANNOT even see the debt, thus cannot acknowledge that it is owed, thus we cannot see that Christ has the ability to pay the debt, and thus we cannot ask Him to do so. Please show where you see this in the Bible? It is God that leads us to repentance and that is how we get saved! We don’t get saved the repent
@@petecymbalak650 - Here is the conversation I had with Jordan before he posted this video, that might be helpful context and it helps to explain my view: *"Jordan - I'd be happy to chat through this with you. Coming from your perspective I would imagine that there is quite a bit of confusion regarding the various analogies/motifs used in Scripture. For example, understanding that being "born again" (a new life/beginning motif) is different from being "raised to life" (a resurrection motif referring to the final outcome) as found in Colossians 2:12. Or another one I commonly see, mistaking the work of the Spirit in causing one to be "born again" (a new life/beginning motif) with being "sealed by the Spirit" (a judicial motif related to God proving the legitimacy of our new birth). There is an enormous temptation to simply conflate all of these different motifs into the same thing (e.g. being born again). Rather, new birth refers to that singular moment when a person is CHANGED so that they can see the kingdom of God. Thus, Jesus says in John 3 to Nicodemus: “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again HE CANNOT SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD.” Being born again has a definite result... it results in being able to SEE THE KINGDOM. Jesus explains to the Pharisees in Luke 17:20-21: When asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The kingdom of God will not come with observable signs. Nor will people say, ‘Look, here it is,’ or ‘There it is.’ For you see, the kingdom of God is in your midst. Jesus explains to them that the kingdom of God is ALREADY HERE. It is ALREADY in our midst. Nothing "new" is going to change... no "new sign" will appear... that will mark its coming. You either SEE IT NOW or YOU DON'T. The difference isn't something that changes OUT THERE in the world external to us. The change happens WITHIN US, i.e. we are born again, and THEN we can see it. So if the verse is not speaking of this INTERNAL change that happens to us that RESULTS in us seeing the kingdom of God, it is not speaking of new birth."*
The point is, Jesus gives no indication in this passage or elsewhere that raising Lazarus is to be taken as analogous to salvation in any way. It's literally about being raised from literal death.
No, regeneration does not precede faith, but drawing does. Jesus said that He would draw ALL men if He was lifted up. He was lifted up on the cross. Therefore, like it or not, He draws ALL men. But they are more hostile toward what the Bible actially says about that drawing, what it really consists of, and who it goes to, than anything else. Why, when it is that drawing that they are mistakenly (?) misrepresenting as regeneration? Is it just the exclusivity, that seems to say you arent so special to God, if He draws all men, and it is up to us people, whether we receive His gift? That's how ths Bible tells it, and if they dont like it, they need to take it up with God and shut up their evil speaking against "prevenient grace", i.e. the real work of the Holy Spirit to bring us to God. God does NOT leave us alone, but while He draws us ALL to Jesus, He has let us decide. And that is why we're held accountable for receiving or rejecting. Thats the way it is represented in the Bible. Check it out for yourself, without reference to almighty Augustine, Calvin, Sproul, etc.
Order salutis: And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. Romans 8:28-30 NASB1995
That passage isn't the ordo solutis. It's Paul speaking to believers, who have already believed and been saved, about God's blessings and calling for them. He's not informing us of how or why they believed. You are not rightly dividing God's word.
@nathanhellrung9810 of course he's talking to believers. Who else would he be explaining the ordo solutis to? What a goofy comment! If it were anyone but believers it would be repent and brlieve the gospel. 1:foreknew 2:predestined 3:called 4:justified 5:glorified It's abbreviated, of course. But I think I can rest my case. I'm sure you'll argue. But I'm done here. Moving on.
How can this be a picture of Salvation if Regeneration must come first? Are Calvinists saying this is a picture of Regeneration then? If not, then there is obviously a cognitive dissonance going on. How can Lazarus be a picture of Salvation if there was not Regeneration first? I think this is actually very problematic for a Calvinist, not helpfu. Plus, if Lazarus's resurrection is a picture of salvific rebirth, then his later second death means what? They must continue the analogy, and then it falls apart completely. Unless they're denying the "P" in TULIP.
Why do you block the accounts of Calvinists that post scripture. I mean, logically if you think you're right then you'd welcome the posting of scripture. This is fishy.
Regeneration is before faith, for without being born again a man is incapable of exercising saving faith. A light bulb glows because electricity is sent through it, it does not glow so that electricity can be sent through it.
I thank you for your video, I've been watching these and I've been interested, I believe. Lazarus was one of three signs of Jonah, which was rejected by the spiritual leaders of Israel, Jesus 's own sign of Jonah. Resurrection, was also rejected, there's one more sign of Jonah in the book of Revelation, and I believe Israel will not reject that sign, again. Jesus reaching out to Israel still even after they rejected him. He's a loving God of forgiving God along suffering God
Yet the new birth is compared to baptism You must first take up your cross and follow jesus before you DIE . Likewise lazuras must first take up his death before he was thrown into the tomb. Lazarus is not a good anolgy for calvinists .
I think christians who are familiar with Islam would all agree that if any muslim would truly study Islam amd Allah using only their logic and Quran they would have no choice but to abandon Islam because of how false it is. Likewise if any calvanist did the same they too would be convicted to abandon calvanism which portrays a god but not God Almighty.
@@brentonstanfield5198 don’t be pedantic. Jordan’s point is that we can do some good things, we just can’t lead a perfect life. The Bible tells us we can do no good of our own.
@@brentonstanfield5198 of course you’re being pedantic. The context of John 15:5 is fruit (good in the eyes of God), and Jesus is being absolutely literal that nobody apart from him does good in the eyes of God.
@@chrisharris9710 - 😂. It’s amazing to me how fellow Calvinists can be obnoxious. Pedantic. Jesus speaks of both GOOD FRUIT and BAD FRUIT (see Luke 6:43-45). But ok, I didn’t doubt that it was obvious from the context of the passage. But you don’t post the passage. I am aware of the context… and others who read this post might not be. A simple, “that’s true, Jesus meant anything good” would have been fine. But gee, go ahead and insult someone and call them “pedantic”… and confirm every stereo type about Calvinists while you are at it. Gentleness and respect brother.
I feel Calvinism is very dangerous in the church To me it goes against God's character. He is a patient God. Why would he need to be patient with people he elects to be saved regardless? 🤔 He would utilize patience for a "free agent" God gives us choice, and he is sovereign, and his will is going to be done. Both exist....he is that powerful
Anyone can believe, in James 2:19 it says even the demons believe. But we are called not just to believe, but to trust, in faith. Going from belief to faith is not a large leap, but it is a leap of faith. In that faith we gain salvation as God has decreed, we do not save ourselves, but we are saved through our Faith. Not given faith to believe, that is a major point that Calvinists get horribly wrong.
2 Cor 4:4-6, God must lift the veil first because we were blinded by the god of this world. He must first command the light of the gospel to shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of Christ before we can even respond. Eph 2:1 He made us alive when we were dead in sin. So yeah if total inability and depravity is true then the case of Lazarus is a valid illustration. The problem is in your theology, man is only sick. There is no absolute spiritual deadness/inability in order to preserve semi pelagian, libertarian ability of man.
If he was using the fruit of the Spirit as outlined in Galatians 5:22-23 then he didn't leave out anything, as faith is not listed as a fruit of the Spirit. Faith is a prerequisite for being filled with the Spirit and having the fruit be part of our lives. Galatians 5:22-23 says this, "For the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law." Faith isn't included.
@@ericedwards5034 You: “ faith is not listed as the fruit of the spirit” Bible: Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, *FAITH* Oops
@@aletheia8054 no oops, you appeal to the KJV which is the only translation that I saw that translated it as faith, where the others I looked at translated to faithfulness.
And I could be wrong, but it seems like maybe you appeal to the KJV here simply to prove a point and likely appeal to others when they support you. But, I could be wrong.
He said Lazarus wasn’t about “initial salvation” because Lazarus was a believer. But then he turns around and says “I stand at the door knock” is a call to salvation but it was something Jesus said to a church of believers Go figure
I think this is a partially valid point you are making. Jesus does say this within the context of speaking to "the church." But, while speaking to the church he says "if anyone"... or "if any man" hears my voice... which extends this invitation beyond the scope of the church and makes it applicable to anyone.
@@GreatLightStudios Yes, it’s in the context of the church. If anyone in the church. That’s the context. The whole book is the Revelation to the churches . Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; Revelation 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit said unto the churches.
So you all believe that you play a part in your own salvation, by choosing to believe in God? (Genuinely asking as someone who is just learning about Calvinism, and probably agrees with it, but I want to hear all sides) Sure, I agree, Lazarus’s story may not be about salvation, but scripture says we are dead in trespasses and sin. What can a dead man do but stink? How can a dead person choose to repent and believe in Christ? Jesus also said that no one can come to Him unless the Father draws him. How can you read Romans 9:22-23 and state your own opinion on what “good” is. God is not like us, and many of His ways are far beyond our comprehension. I fear that a rejection of Calvinism is a rejection of biblical truths throughout all of scripture. I’d love to know your thoughts. :)
What church do you go to? It’s like no one’s teaching a Greek or anything. Your overlooking basic things when you talk about the Bible. It’s like your left to yourself to figure it out and no one at your church is teaching you.
Calvinists have to resort to interpreting parables and pictures and analogies and metaphors in such a way as to prop up their system because the plain clear direct *statements* of scripture say the *opposite* of their system.
@@Migler1 I just disagree. This is not a "well, it's not really clear, it could go either way, it really just depends on your viewpoint" thing. A normal rational person who never heard of Calvinism, just reading the story of Lazarus or John 3:17 or 1 John 2:2 or Romans 5:18 or Luke 2:10-11 or 2 Peter 2:1 in their Bible, wouldn't get "effectual grace" or "effectual call" or total depravity-inability or limited atonement out of it. It's imposed onto the scripture by theories and philosophies and agenda driven interpretations of men.
@@Migler1 That's fair enough. But taking the sum of it all and reading the same consistent message communicated and outright stated again and again and again, and then going out speaking the direct *opposite* of what you see there (as Calvinism does) just isn't going to happen without imposition and infection by men's ideas, that's my point.
Were they wrong when they built the colonies into the greatest nation of all time, established the greatest educational institutions of all time, and led the world for hundreds of years in global missions through people like William Carey who was a reformed baptist, as well as David Livingston, as a Scottish Presbyterian? Also don’t forget that the leading group of people in history in the in the realm of apologetics and a defense of the scriptures as innerant and infallible were reformed. Also lets not forget that the reason all of these so ignorantly confused and wrong minded Calvinists created these things was due to the fact that they had a Calvinist worldview and vision in mission, culture, government, science, art, and family. Also non reformed thinkers have done great things as well not to downplay all the good they have done but largely the reformed are the ones who were at the forefront of building the world that the liberals are all trying to tear down.
@@tylercobb2743 it was Christian values not reformed theology that built this nation. Calvinism is a false gospel and it can only lead to destruction. It is just as or even more destructive than liberal theology. Calvinism is a well crafted deceitful mix of truth and lies straight from the mouth of the father of all lies. The Bible was the foundation for this nation and not Calvinism. If Calvinism was the model there would be no religious freedom or any other freedom because only a select predetermined class would have any rights. There would be no choices and only one state sponsored religion. Do you even know the tenants of Calvinism?
@@tylercobb2743the calvinists didn't do that so quit lying . They were part of that while people like Calvin w were burning them alive and putting them in jail for not addressing him as master Calvin and zwingli was even a worse murderer than Calvin was .
So you don't believe in justification by grace alone, through faith alone, in the Christ of the Bible alone, to the glory of God alone? What sort of perverted pseudo-gospel do you preach?
@@gregb6469 Calvinists believe in predetermined birth right and special election and call it faith through grace. They say the evidence of living a holy life and persevering is the only evidence of salvation…. That’s what they call faith through Grace, I believe in what the Bible says. The calvinists changed the definition to all those terms. It is faith in a man, not the Bible’s saving word .
The call of “whosoever will” as seen in passages like Revelation 22:17, Matthew 22:14, Romans 10:13, John 11:26, Acts 10:43, 1 John 2:1-2, and John 7:37 is the outward call of the preacher that goes out to all men promiscuously and indiscriminately, but just as in John 11:43 where Jesus calls out with a loud voice: “Lazarus, come forth,” the inward call of the shepherd is to individuals by name (John 6:29, 37-44). It is this individual call that we see exemplified in the analogy of the shepherd calling out only to His sheep individually by name from among the larger flock in John 10. Jesus said many times, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear” (Matthew 11:15; Mark 4:9; Luke 8:8, 14:35). The point is that everyone has ears, but only a few are listening and responding. Not everyone who hears the gospel receives it but only the "few" who have ears to hear. The "many" hear, but there is no interest or there is outright antagonism toward God because they do not have ears to hear since they are not His sheep (John 10:26-28). Many are called or invited into the kingdom by the preacher, but none are able to come on their own. God must draw the hearts of those who come; otherwise they will not (John 6:44), and they will not because they cannot (Romans 5:6, 8:7, 9:16), and faith must be given to them by God (John 6:29, Hebrews 12:2), because it is impossible that anyone could do this on their own (Romans 8:7).
Leighton Flowers sure makes some spiritually surly people his theological compadres. First Andy Stanley. Now Jordan. Can Okra Wimpy be far behind? LOL.
No apostle and Jesus Himself ever referred to Lazarus as a picture of our conversion. I'm constantly amazed at Calvinists who scoff at us when we bring up the Prodigal Son as a picture of conversion while they go to Lazarus as one and yet they have the nerve to actually believe they should be taken seriously as proper exegetes of scripture. It's baffling to me. People need to learn to think and study for themselves, to test if what these men say is true.
Can you resist the will of God?
If you are called can you turn away?
Opinions of Moderators for this channel really are just to keep a job. Nobody cares what you think. You're going to agree with Jordon just to keep your job
Calvinists do not scoff at the Prodigal Son as a picture of conversion. We scoff at it being proof of some mysterious “libertarian free will”. The point of the parable is God’s joy at the repentance of those who were lost… not that men have some kind of libertarian free will.
Meanwhile, Paul uses resurrection as an analogy in Ephesians 2.
@@brentonstanfield5198there's nothing mysterious about fre will . Everyone believes in free will except atheist, calvinist and the quran . Not very good company actually.
@@brentonstanfield5198 No one studying scripture will go for this nonsense of the Great Darkness Studio. Our salvation is like a door on the outside it says "Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." (Matthew 11:28-30)
When we have entered trough the Door and look back, it says: For many are called, but few are chosen.”Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.”
So if one beliefs that we have a free will and not God but we are choosing, and have the ability to accept or reject Jesus by our will and action. Then those are still gazing at the outside of the door.
Doing a deep dive into the culture of the Jews during this time is helpful when interpreting Scripture. Lazarus is sick and dying and Jesus delays going there. By the time Jesus arrives the text states, "So when Jesus came, He found that he had already been in the tomb four days." (John 12:17). The Jews believed that someone could possibly come back to life (a resuscitation) within 3 days, but after that the spirit had left and it was no longer possible. This is the reason for his delay. He is about to resurrect someone who they believe has had his spirit leave and has no possible way of living now outside of the future resurrection, and yet Jesus does exactly this. He had done the impossible. We lose the great message that Jesus has for us when we use this narrative the way that Calvinists do.
Love this!!! Lazarus was dead for 3 days the whole point of the story was to prove Jesus's power over spiritual and physical death.
@@Rileyed Plus Lazarus was a believer before he died.
Yeah, totally, and don't forget, Lazarus was already a friend of Jesus. He and his sisters were like family. What Bible are they using?
@@jolookstothestars6358NOTE: Lazarus was dead 4 days! John 11:38.
@@elbertsorrell8394 cool.
@@jolookstothestars6358 Yes, it is! When you're Jesus, 4 days late is right on time!
Lazarus died a believer.
That's a v good point 😂
Do we have a verse for that? Or our we assuming it? Just curious.
Both times ! 😂
@ogmakefirefiregood1202 that's like asking if there's a verse for THE TRINITY . Everyone who believes what the Bible says knows that Lazarus was a believer.
“Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if only you had been here, my brother would not have died. But even now I know that God will give you whatever you ask.” Jesus told her, “Your brother will rise again.” “Yes,” Martha said, “he will rise when everyone else rises, at the last day.””
John 11:21-24 NLT
Martha says “yes, he will rise when everyone else rises, at the last day” implying that yes, he was a believer.
These ministers are comparing Lazarus’s physical death to the spiritual death of humans as they walk around in their living bodies. Ever heard of comparing apples and oranges? That’s what this is. I don’t think that comparison works very well. Lazarus was spiritually alive when he died - he was a believer. Jesus raised Lazarus from his grave, or tomb, in order to a) again prove His divinity, to b) show His love for Lazarus and his family and friends, and c) give them all hope that he will raise up all of his followers, all those who believe in Him, at God’s appointed time, just as he had said. Thank you Jordon! I think God’s word is much more easy to understand with clarity when you don’t get distracted and confused with all the man-made philosophies and traditions - such as Calvinism - but rather simply believe what the Bible teaches us. God is not the author of confusion. Be like the Bereans and check what you hear preached with what God’s Word says. Thank you so much for this clarity, Jordon.
Exactly, Lazarus was a believer when he died both times he died .
Ezekiel 37 is probably a better analogy.
Reformed: Catholics take Jesus's analogy too far, He is not saying the bread literally becomes His physical flesh
Also Reformed: Dead in sin means unable to respond like a literal corpse
To equate the story of Lazarus with salvation is hilariously absurd, especially since the Lord tells us this done so that your faith may grow😂😂
Exactly , I just made that same point . Just listen to the prayer our SAVIOR said just before HE raised him . Calvinists have little to no respect for the integrity of scripture and what it says in context especially as they constantly claim it says what they want it to say instead of what it actually says in context.
Just watched a crime doc where a young man murdered a pastor and his wife and their daughter and a friend in Farmville, VA with an axe. When the cops were leading him away, a reporter asked him why he did it, and the young man said, "Jesus made me do it." As a non-Calvinist, I must ask Calvinists: Why would Jesus put this lie into his mouth? If God determined all of this kid's words and deeds (and determined he would hack these people up), why would God Almighty ever have anyone say these words out loud? Why falsely implicate His own Son? Why even put the thought into anyone's head? Answer: He didn't!
God didn't put the lie into his mouth. God didn't put the TRUTH in Him. The whole point of UN-Godliness is that men WITHOUT GOD do UN-Godly things (i.e. lie and do evil).
Not the calvinists fault. Jesus predicted false Christs, false teachers, seducing spirits, even self deceived Christians would come into this world. These could not have happened if God did not permit it by His decrees. These are volitional creatures that will be held accountable.
Calvinists do not believe in Causal Determinism. God did not make him do anything. But God permitted it and therefore had to determine to permit it. It is the same as saying why is God not stopping something evil while it is occurring. He has the power, but has determined not to do that.
This is very easy to understand if you study all of Gods attributes.
@@davevandervelde4799 but they do. Even R C Sproul teaches that God determines all things.
@freeguy7628 I think you will find they do not. God determined to permit evil so therefore since God is good and cannot do evil his permission to allow it, is good.
When interpreting Scripture we first need to define what type of Scripture are we reading. The story in John about Lazarus is a historical narrative. Because it is a historical narrative we take that what we are reading actually happened. It isn't an allegory or even a parable. Most of these preachers of Calvinism would berate anyone for taking a historical narrative and spiritualizing the passage or allegorizing the passage, and yet they will continue to use it as an allegory simply because it fits their narrative.
First I am not a calvinist nor am I defending their use of the raising of Lazarus.....but just as an reminder Paul used the historical narrative of Hagar & Sara as an allegory in Galatians 4.
@@mrhickswife Yes, this is really a good point. However, if the great apostle Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, allegorizes something I take that as truth and that he has the divine authority and insight to do so. I would not put others in the same category as the apostle Paul and would not want to bank my theology on them allegorizing any passage. It is a slippery slope when people do this. They can believe it if they want to for their own personal edification, but not to teach it to others.
@@sharonlouise9759 I agree! Blessings!
@@mrhickswifeexception to rule, and easy to identify as such.
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Don’t get me wrong… I appreciate many of these pastors and know many have been saved through them. 💕 But I was shook and also saddened that so many of these well known and respected Calvinist pastors preached the Lazarus story in a way to support their Calvinism. I mean I already knew it was commonly explained that way by many lay Calvinists. But these leading Calvinist pastors often do stress exposition and exegesis. I was shocked that they, too, used eisegesis and read Calvinism INTO the narrative of Lazarus rather than true exposition and reading the text it plainly. 😢
They're false teachers my friend, teach a false gospel as they tie their limited atonement to it taking away from what CHRIST JESUS has done for mankind .
Millions who were coming to faith have also been led into damnation by these false teachers.
@elaineauo That is an excellent observation you make about Calvinistic eisegesis. Especially concerning this text.
Man! So good! CONTEXT matters indeed Thanks Jordan. Don’t stop. These videos are so needed in the Body or Christ right now. The Lord is doing something!! Blessings~~
For those of you thinking "How could these great men of God be wrong?" I encourage you to look to the scriptures and know that as iron sharpens iron so one man sharpens another. There are many brilliant people at the medical school I attend but they are morally bankrupt. Man can be wrong. God's word will stand forever and stand as true.
The pride to be so sure that all those men are wrong lol. I guarantee you you’re wrong on a lot of your theology as well.
@@KnightFelsure theology may differ
The Holy loving righteous God does not change.
If your theology has god acting like the devil
It means the devil pulled it of.
Thank you Jordan. I believe God gave us minds to think (Matt 22:37). Thanks for your mindful, logical approach.
"Isn't this the uniqueness of Christianity, the Gospel?...God hasn't left anyone to themselves." Man, that's such a good point! I hope you don't mind if I steal that for a future sermon!
Please do!
Lazarus is a poor analogy, because he was dead dead, not “spiritually dead” (which is not found in the Bible). The NT only has three verses saying that living people “were dead.” But, in all three cases they “were dead in trespasses.” An important difference. Lazarus was dead. He was not “dead in trespasses.” Those who are now “in Christ” are now no longer “dead in trespasses.” This has nothing to do with Lazarus. That scene was about the authentication of the power that Jesus has.
Yep, Prodigal son dead, not Lazarus dead.
Ezekiel 37 dead.
@@Migler1
Except in context it is clearly speaking about the restoration of Israel and not election unto Salvation as you wish it was saying.
@@stephenmorrison335 Which Israel? God’s spiritual Israel that belongs to those that believe and has part in all Gods ‘s promises, or the physical Israel? I just meant to point out that it’s a wonderful testimony of God giving life, that’s all.
@@Migler1why not both? I see more than one meaning in every scripture
Thank you for a well made video. Most likely our Calvinist brothers and sisters won’t appreciate this though! A perfect example of that a passage out of context and making it a pretext
How is someone who rejects the Gospel, Jesus and God as revealed by Scripture our brothers and sisters?
Are you saying you believe Calvinist are not Christians?
@@petecymbalak650 Yes. Someone that rejects the Gospel as revealed by Scripture is not a Christian.
@@eiontactics9056so when Calvinists preach repent and believe the gospel and strive for holiness, that’s not Christianity? You’re full of pride. God doesn’t save you by your understanding of the sovereignty of God or exactly how Soteriology works, but by grace through faith in Christ Jesus, which is exactly what calvinists and non-calvinists alike preach. Calvinists are brothers in Christ. Get off your high horse.
Someone pointed out to me that Jesus uses both the figurative and the literal meanings of 'dead' when he says "Let the dead bury the dead".
This is one of the best presentations of this passage I have found. Clear & understandable. I especially like the segment before the conclusion. As a Pastor, let me say Thank you, for your work in this area. We have had a minor run-in with Calvinism in our area. What confuses many in the pews is that Calvinists use the same terminology as the non-Calvinists. But the definitions are different. Many times, you will have Calvinists in your pews or pulpit & won't know until it has already caused damage that sometimes cannot be repaired.
Thanks for your encouragement! I'm glad the videos are helpful. You are absolutely right. We use the same terminology but very often a totally different understanding of what different words and concepts mean. This leads to a lot of talking past each other I think.
Thank You Father in Heaven for this true brother being convicted and seeking the truth and teaching your people to flee from the deceitful teaching of many false teachers. May apologia and all deceitful false brothers be exposed and rejected and may they repent before Christ returns, in Jesus Christ's name, amen.
There is no evidence that the Lazarus story is a parallel of salvation. It is pure conjecture to support a point of view.
Beautifully done. Thank you for exposing this.
And Jesus said to him, “Follow me, and leave the dead to bury their own dead.”
Ezekiel 37 is a perfectly detailed description of how the believer is saved. The dead valley of dry bones gets life breathed into them by almighty God. That’s powerful.
Ezekiel 37 looks like a prophecy directed at the whole house of Israel and in harmony with Romans 11 "all Israel shall be saved..." The Lord himself used an OT account as a "perfectly detailed description of how the believer is saved" when He said, "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life."
Were John 3:14,15 to rather say something like, ""And as Ezekiel prophetically spoke of dry bones coming to life, so must you wait for your dry bones to received life from the breath of God" then the proposition above would have Scriptural support instead of being unsubstantiated opinion.
@@williammarinelli2363 Yes well, all Israel is undoubtedly all of Israel, meaning all who believe, jew and greek, who partake in all of God’s promises, as Paul says in Romans 9:
”But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but "Through Isaac shall your offspring be named." This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.”
Romans 9:6-8
Therefore, the promise of receiving life and grace are also applied to those who by faith are grafted into the tree of Israel.
Great video, Jordan. I agree with you 100% you make so much sense.
The most disappointing part of this video was finding out Jeff Durbin is a Calvinist….
Leighton Flowers called out Durban for abusing church history to justify Calvinism when Calvinists have long admitted that total inability only became part of mainstream Christianity after Augustine.
Yep he's a false teacher and the no. 1 student of James white . The James white who git a tattoo at 50 sometime years old to be cool like Jeff who actually has John Calvin's name tattooed on his body . Yeah , that's how bad it truly is .
@@martytu20-- Jesus and the Apostles beg to differ; the inability of the spiritually dead to effect their own salvation, even in part, is clearly taught in the New Testament. St Augustine merely saw that, and taught it with more emphasis than did previous teachers, who were dealing with other matters, such as who Christ was.
@@gregb6469 what scripture and verse is that? Is it the one of the many like John 3:16 that says those who believe on the Son won’t perish? Or like Ephesians 6:8-9 that says it is only grace through faith that you can be saved and not by works? There is a clear choice all through the New Testament to either choose life or choose death. You have to listen to a man’s opinion rather than the Bible to believe in any point of Calvinism. It is absolutely false. Adam had a choice, life or death. We also have a choice, accept or reject. Accepting our debt was paid has nothing to do with adding our works to it. It is the opposite, it is turning away from our own works and accepting the finished works on the cross
@gregb6469 then the burden of proof is on you. Post the passages.
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; the one who believes in Me will live, even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?”
John 11:25-26 NASB2020
So they removed the stone. And Jesus raised His eyes, and said, “Father, I thank You that You have heard Me. But I knew that You always hear Me; nevertheless, because of the people standing around I said it, so that they may believe that You sent Me.”
John 11:41-42 NASB2020
To me the point of all of this is that those where there would believe in Jesus as the Messiah not Lazarus. I dont understand how the Calvanist analogy completely ignores that.
So good! You broke everything down nicely and it makes complete sense! Thanks for sharing!
“Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.”
Romans 1:24-25 ESV
Lazarus was already a believer in Jesus, he already knew Jesus in the story before he died and was resurrected by Him. 🤣
The point is that Lazarus, though dead, was not unable to hear Jesus's command. Unbelievers, though 'dead in their trespasses and sins', CAN hear the command to repent and believe.
Good dive into this. It's good to move away from "could" questions (could the text be interpreted this way) to "should" questions (how did the Biblical author intend for this to be read).
It seems that Calvinists take the parable of Lazarus to mean we can't believe because we are spiritually dead (God must first raise you from the dead spiritually so that you can believe).
But look at the scripture in John 11, the reason Jesus raised Lazarus is so people would simply see and believe in Him. One view is simple, the other an overcomplication.
John 11:
14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may [ BELIEVE ] ; nevertheless let us go unto him.
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that [ BELIEVETH ] in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. [ BELIEVEST ] thou this?
27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I [ BELIEVE ] that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest [ BELIEVE ] , thou shouldest see the glory of God?
41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may [ BELIEVE ] that thou hast sent me.
45 Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, [ BELIEVED ] on him.
47 Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.
48 If we let him thus alone, all men will [ BELIEVE ] on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.
The Narrative of Lazarus: 1 scene is enough to prove that Jesus is the resurrection and the life (the main point of the passage), but 1 scene is not enough to prove total depravity (or inability)
A few years back a friend of mine gave a passionate sermon on how this passage proves Calvinism. He was newly converted to it, and I knew this can’t be right but didn’t know how to address it in bible study group. Later I did have a conversation with him and now he states he isn’t sure that God is good, but he is banking based on certain passages he will still go to heaven. So at least for him Calvinism lead him to doubt Good’s goodness. To me that’s a red flag that something is majorly wrong with Calvinism.
Thanks for the video, Calvinist make the huge error of starting with the systematic first then going into the scriptures to find a way to support it. That’s not how it works.
While being “dead in your trespasses and sins” does not mean “inability,” Ephesians 2:12 describes them as having “no hope.” Since they are darkened in their understanding and excluded from the life of God, being dead in trespasses and sins results in an inability to repent and to submit to Christ. After all, how is it that someone living under those descriptions, who is in constant, willful rebellion against God, who has been excluded from the life of God and without hope could then submit himself to God without being regenerated (Romans 3:10-18, 8:7, John 8:34, 43-44, 47)? Simply stated, it is impossible, after all, they are a people who cannot see, who cannot hear, who cannot understand, and who cannot be healed (cf. Matthew 13:13, Isaiah 6:8-10).
Eph 2:1 says we "WERE dead in [our] trespasses and sins.", Romans 6:16 says our sin is "LEADING to death", Romans 7:13 says that sin "was PRODUCING death", and John 8:24 says that "you WILL die in your sins." The past tense verb in Eph 2:1, dead, is to emphasize what was the final result of a their previous sinful condition. In other words, the Ephesians were as good as dead while in their sins, but were made alive through Christ.(somewhat hyperbolic speech) In the same way we are "seated with [Christ] in the heavens" (Eph 2:5), even though I'm currently in my bedroom. It's the final result of my current condition of being in Christ.
The term heavens doesn’t mean where people go when they die. It’s a Jewish idiom for the ruling class. Christ people are priests and kings of the ruling class. The kingdom of God.
@@aletheia8054-- So Jesus isn't right now in Heaven seated at the Father's right hand, reigning over His Kingdom?
Yeshua wept when Lazarus died, because He knew Lazarus and Lazarus knew Yeshua as Messiah. He raised him to show His exceptional glory and as a sign that the Son of man would experience the same thing, when Yahweh would call Him from the tomb-the first fruit among many brothers. It was a sign of our ultimate resurrection when Yeshua returns. Our glorious hope! Calvinists, man. Wow.
Hi Jordan. I’m Owen. I’d like to see some non-Calvinist interpretation of 1 Corinthians 1:30. I have always cited eph 1:13 as my “soteriological” hinge pin but I have to be honest and say it kinda looks like God places us in Christ. It kinda resembles the “sovereign election” of reformed theology. I seem to be in an interpretive rut. Please say more than just eluding to Him placing us in Christ on the condition of faith. I’ve been stuck on this for a while now.
Ezekiel 36:27
And I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes and to carefully observe My ordinances.
The Lord makes dry bones live and causes them to do things? Oh my my my!
Indeed. That’s powerful
I praise God for leading me to bible teachers like Steve Gregg, Leighton Flowers, David Pawson, Ben Witherington III, and so much more. I was so close ro embracing Calvinism a few years ago, but Jesus snatched me away from that refuse theology in just the right time!
Thank you for your videos man!
Calvinists don't really believe their own argument that Lazarus is reflective of 'dead in sins'. Otherwise you'd see them evangelising to literal corpses in cemeteries.
Thank you brother! May God keep you and help us all grow in his grace abd knowledge, and empower us with courage to combat false Doctrine.❤🎉🎉
Excellent understanding 👏
Jesus also did it this way was SO THAT....
John 11:15,42
[15]And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent YE MAY BELIEVE; nevertheless let us go unto him.
[42]And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, THAT THEY MAY BELIEVE that thou hast sent me.
Interesting fact the Jewish tradition believed that the soul hovers over the body for 3 days waiting to see if the body wakes for whatever reason.
Many think this is why he waited the extra 2 days to resurrect him to be added proof that He not only raised him from the dead but brought his soul back to him.
May God continue to bless your ministry 🙌
Just going to drop this here…
“Therefore God gave them up to vile impurity in the lusts of their hearts, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for falsehood, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.”
Romans 1:24-25
“But a natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.”
1 Corinthians 2:14
Let me pick that up for you...
1 Corinthians 3:1 - "But I, brothers, could not address you as spiritual people, but as people of the flesh, as infants in Christ."
@@noncalvinistbydecree1672well played 🤓
@@noncalvinistbydecree1672 I think you have failed to realize that the first two chapters of 1 Corinthians are contrasting believers and non-believers, and that the difference is the Holy Spirit working in the believers life. The same thing can be seen in Romans 8 -
“7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.”
Also, keep in mind that 1 Corinthians 2:14 is restatement of 1 Corinthians 1:18 -
“18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.”
Now what about 1 Corinthians 3:1? Well, firstly lets establish that Paul is writing to believers (1 Corinthians 1:2, 1 Corinthians 3:16). Yes, they are acting fleshly, but Paul is telling them that they shouldn’t be because they have the Holy Spirit living in them (1 Corinthians 3:16), and that is why there is a contrast in the first two chapters of believers and non-believers.
Furthermore, if they are “natural” people who don’t “accept the things of the Spirit of God” (1 Corinthians 2:14), the rest of the letter wouldn’t do any good, would it?
The whole point is, and I repeat, that because the Holy Spirit is living in them, they shouldn’t be acting fleshly.
I often wonder how much that is relegated to "emotionalism" is really the conviction of the Holy Spirit. Anyway, if anyone wants to hear something true and beautiful, there is a new post on a site called 618 , called "How Calvinism Almost Destroyed My Faith".
I don't think we should be ashamed that we have been harmed by doctrines of devils that were meant for harm. And knowing the harm that can result, we know that we need to help people see through the lies that were so costly for us to come out of. Gods character is so important an issue; it is how we know Him personally, and it is our basis for trust, both that which we get from the Bible, and that which we get from the Holy Spirit's conviction about Himself, God the Father and Jesus, and the Bible.
Anyway, I will post the url in another comment. I can't remember exactly what the policy on links is.
The video: ua-cam.com/video/wGVvjKYhBgE/v-deo.html
Jordan, this video, basically shows the world... that Calvinist are not biblical when it comes to the "Ordus Salutes". Sad, RC Sprouls left this planet not having led ONE PERSON TO CHRIST. Calvinism is a Laissez-faire Doctrine, meaning no requirements (faith), no accountability (No responsible to tell others about Jesus), no purpose (Purpose is wrapped up in God Dependence), if it happens its Gods will if not, its not Gods Will, absolutely no relationship with God, the doctrine of Calvinist alienates Calvinist from coming daily to God, in prayer. Its hard for me to believe that Calvinist Ministers actually believe what they say....
These so-called theologians sure know their Calvinism really well. Too bad they don’t know the Scriptures like they know Calvinism. If they did, their Calvinist beliefs would dissipate rather quickly.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when *the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God:* and they that hear *shall* live.
Interesting that… ““Jesus said to her, “Did I not tell you that if you believed you would see the glory of God?””
John 11:40
And I also wonder why Eph 5:14 is never brought up. “…for anything that becomes visible is light. Therefore it says, “Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.” BELIEVE first and see God’s glory and AWAKE first and Christ will shine on you. Not the Calvinist ordo.
Calvinists have a very selective acceptance of texts my friend. They hammer on the ons they like to twist and ignore all of the explicit full atonement passages that prove they're preaching a false gospel and blaspheming CHRIST.
In addition to the points you made, Jesus in John 11:14 explicitly claims that He's doing the miracle "so that you may believe," a strange statement if faith is a result of effectual regeneration.
Thank you for your channel and hard work! God bless you!
This story has absolutely nothing to do with salvation and for so many reasons. It only acturally reflects horribly on the people who use it to desperately conjure up a proof yet to me it seems more like deception than anything else.
Read the recent book "The Foundation of Augustinian-Calvinism" by Ken Wilson, if you want to understand the origin of the doctrine.
In the passage below Paul said a person must "hear" the Gospel and "believe" the Gospel, and then be "sealed" with the Holy Spirit.
Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
What is the "gift" in Ephesians 2:8? The answer is revealed in two other verses from the same letter. The gift is grace, instead of faith.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 3:7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
Eph 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
I don't get the urge by so many to downgrade God's sovereignty and boast man's supposed ability. Do they not realize that when the original couple sinned in the Garden they DIED spiritually (and began to die physically), they weren't merely injured or sickened?
Very true
Sovereignty is not a word found in my Bible so I see no need to pay lip service to it, or at least request it be defined - what do you mean by sovereignty?
The original couple, having died spiritually (agreed!) could still hear the voice of God and respond by receiving God's provision - the coats of skins. Those dead in trespasses and sins in Eph 2:1 are still able to walk and converse (verse 2, 3). The prodigal was called dead by his father (twice) and was still ABLE to come to himself. When Paul refers to the Scriptures which "are ABLE to make thee wise unto salvation" consider that man is enabled by heeding the sufficient and understandable Word of God.
@@williammarinelli2363-- The concept of God's sovereignty is very clearly taught in the Bible. Do you deny that?
@@gregb6469 I asked you to define sovereignty - what you mean by it. Why should that be a stumper? Since the word, sovereignty is not in my Bible, what do you mean by the so-called concept of it? Based on how it's defined by the one making the truth claim I may affirm or deny.
The prophet to Ahab: "Thus saith the LORD, Because thou hast let go out of thy hand a man whom I appointed to utter destruction..." Please feel free to share your thus-far-unspecified concept of sovereignty harmonizes with this passage - what was appointed? who appointed? and what happened? 1 Kings 20:42. Thanks.
@@williammarinelli2363-- I get the distinct impression that all you want to do is argue, and that you would ignore or reject anything I said. I have better uses for my time. If you want a definition of sovereignty, open any good Bible or theological dictionary.
Very nice, but did you consider the fact that you are completely wrong about everything?
Lmao. No. He has not considered that. He is decreed to be a Self Determinist. He can be no other.
Only in the minds of blasphemous calvinist ideologues is Jordan incorrect in claiming that the story of Lazarus has nothing to do with salvation. CHRIST JESUS raised Lazarus to show the people WHO HE IS , THE MESSIAH, THE SON OF GOD. Have you ever thought about how ridiculous it is to claim the story of Lazarus is about salvation when considering the fact that Lazarus was a believer both times he died . Lol 🤣 😆 😂.
@@cecilspurlockjr.9421 Were you spiritually dead in tresspasses and sins, a child of wrath, an enemy of God?
@@cecilspurlockjr.9421 Or, like Jordon, and every other Lover of Self, were you just a "little bit sick" and just needed burping?
@@ManassehJones only physically as scripture tells us . I've never rejected GOD and HIS love for me . I called on CHRIST JESUS to be my SAVIOR at 9 years old and have been reading and studying scripture for 45 years since then, which allows me to know that you're a false teacher and spread a false gospel as you tie your unbiblical limited atonement to it. The gospel is good news but limited atonement isn't good news and isn't found anywhere in scripture but there are those who lie about it and claim it is within scripture but can't seem to show anyone where it's explicitly in scripture like we see so very many full atonement passages in scripture thar proves calvinism to be a satanic lie that diminishes the work of our SAVIOR CHRIST JESUS. Also, one who believes that atonement equals salvation has a fundamental misunderstanding of biblical sacrificial atonement. Atonement only brings salvation when faith is applied by those who have been atoned for and CHRIST IS the propitiation for our sins and not only ours but for the sins of the whole world q John 2 : 2 and the grace that brings salvation has appeared to all , Titus 2 : 11, because when CHRIST was lifted up HE drew all men unto HIMSELF John 12 : 32 . And mark 16 : 15 tells us that CHRIST has offered salvation to every creature in the whole world , so why do you ignore or deny the truth of these passages Manny? Are you really going to try to twist everyone of them or just ignore them , because there are dozens more that prove calvinism is a satanic lie against the gospel of CHRIST JESUS that diminishes HIS work for HIS creation.
" If, then, the Lord in the greatness of His grace and mercy raises our souls to life, that we may not die for ever, we may well understand that those three dead persons whom He raised in the body, have some figurative significance of that resurrection of the soul which is effected by faith: He raised up the ruler of the synagogue's daughter, while still lying in the house; Mark 5:41-42 He raised up the widow's young son, while being carried outside the gates of the city; Luke 7:14-15 and He raised up Lazarus, when four days in the grave. Let each one give heed to his own soul: in sinning he dies: sin is the death of the soul. But sometimes sin is committed only in thought. You have felt delight in what is evil, you have assented to its commission, you have sinned; that assent has slain you: but the death is internal, because the evil thought had not yet ripened into action. The Lord intimated that He would raise such a soul to life, in raising that girl, who had not yet been carried forth to the burial, but was lying dead in the house, as if sin still lay concealed. But if you have not only harbored a feeling of delight in evil, but hast also done the evil thing, you have, so to speak, carried the dead outside the gate: you are already without, and being carried to the tomb. Yet such an one also the Lord raised to life. and restored to his widowed mother. If you have sinned, repent, and the Lord will raise you up, and restore you to your mother Church"
(St Augustine, Tractate 49)
If Calvinism were true then the Bible would be written totally different than it is. There would be no need for the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden of Eden. John 3:16 would read, "For God so loved the elect that He predestined everyone to heaven or hell. And Abraham's Faith wouldn't be credited to him as righteousness, but God's Irresistible Grace would be shoved down Abraham's throat. The systematic theology of Calvinism or reformed theology complicates the simple Gospel message, and is unbiblical. This branch of theology turns God into a monster who arbitrarily picks people to go to heaven and people to go to hell when the Bible clearly teaches that God gives people a choice in the matter. You can accept or reject the good news of what Jesus has done. It's a choice. You can decide to repent and live a new life pleasing to God or you can reject such a lifestyle. You can even become a Christian and then deny the faith or be faithful until death. It's all a choice. Calvinist theologians will say that because of their made up doctrine of Total Depravity we are so dead (not just spiritually separated) that we can't even make a choice and that God has to choose for us, but that flies in the face of common sense and Scripture. Everyone is alive enough to pick out what they want for breakfast (in most cases) but when it comes to choosing God or rejecting Him, Calvinists believe that God forces us to make a choice because we are unable to. Calvinists go so far as to say that God actually ordains every act of evil and they completely leave out Satan. Calvinists sound more like Job's complaining friends because they constantly blame God for evil and leave out free will and demonic influence. One thing that really bothers me about Calvinism is they say God is glorified even when something evil happens and that it was His will. But the Bible teaches that Satan is the author of evil and people can make evil choices outside of God's will. I speak out about Calvinism because I think it's harmful to people mentally and spiritually.
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:16 NIV
Jesus willingly paid the penalty for our sins (for the sins of the whole world) by being falsely accused, tortured and then executed on a Roman cross. We deserve separation from God and eternal punishment in hell because we have all sinned against our Creator who is Holy and does no evil. The free gift of salvation is available to everyone who believes of their own free will. The work has already been done by God through Christ. All we have to do is accept the free gift He is offering us by faith. The gift of salvation, a new life with God, and The Holy Spirit.
If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead you shall be saved. Then be baptized for the remission of your sins and follow the teachings of Christ and the apostles; enduring to the end.
The idea of baptismal regeneration kills the Calvinist ordo saludis because you have to believe before you are baptized and in baptism you are buried with and raised with Christ (Rom 6, Col 2:11,12). Yes, the NT teaches baptismal regeneration.
So you're a Roman catholic or a COC member ? I'm completely anticalvinist but scripture never says that water baptism is essential for salvation my friend. The original calvinists believe that water baptism is essential for salvation as well.
Consistent Calvinist A. W. Pink to the rescue on this point in offering course correction to fellow Calvinists:
"The physical condition of those in the cemetery is vastly different from the moral state of the unregenerate still upon the earth. The former cannot sin, cannot reject Christ; the latter can and do. The former cannot read their Bibles or call upon God for mercy; the latter should! It is because the natural man possesses the same faculties of soul as does the regenerate that he is an accountable creature, responsible to use them for God instead of against Him."
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And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience- among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ-by grace you have been saved- and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Ephesians 2:1-10 ESV
Notice that in verse 5 Paul makes being made alive with Christ synonymous with being saved by grace? Therefore in verse 8 we can say that not only are we saved by grace through faith but also made alive with Christ through faith, since they cannot be separated. Since faith is the means (through literally means "by the means of") by which we are saved by grace / made alive with Christ then it has to precede being made alive. Therefore any idea that we must be made alive prior to faith is refuted by the text itself.
@nathanhellrung9810 lol! How you been? He must have unblocked me. That's funny. But yeah, I confirmed it with my wife's UA-cam account. He blocked me. I posted one from a dead account I hadn't used in years, he blocked it too I posted this one and he must have unblocked this.
Im not debating this. You know that I mostly post scripture. He blocked me. Leighton Flowers has blocked me for over a month for the same reason. I wasted so much time posting on soteriology 101 only to learn I was blocked.
But I digress, if you really think the Bible backs you up, you wouldn't block users that post scripture. At best you'd explain that my take is wrong. You at least do that. Blocking a user is cowardly and dishonest. He must have been convicted and unblocked me. This is hilarious. I love this story.
@nathanhellrung9810 but regarding your comment, being synonymous to salvation does not negate my position. In fact, I'm noticing a consistent method of argument. You make a very minor, obvious unrelated side comment like as if I don't understand perintheses. Then by stating that, somehow my point is wrong.
How on earth would being made alive in Christ NOT mean salvation? Is THIS what stands in your way from being a calvinist? Do you think we preach that everyone is a literal dead body until they are made alive? Please tell me it's that!
Your argument is the equivalent of me pointing out some grass and I say "this is grass." And you respond with "no. See that house? This is a lawn."
I want to make a well thought out and clear response but I just got home and I am tired. However I would like to say a few things if I could.( BTW our next video could cover regeneration preceding faith if that works for you.)
1. I have never really thought this story was a really strong case for how we are saved. I am always abit leary when a Christian makes a case for something but it is not clearly described in Gods word to be used for that purpose. Like you I think there can be some parallels drawn but Jesus never said this is to teach how we are saved ( that would have been very helpful)
2. I would point out some interesting things from earlier in John 11. vs 3,4 -" Lord , he whom you love is ill. But when Jesus heard it He said " This illness does not lead to death. It is for the Glory of God. so that the Son of God may be glorified through it."
a. But the illness did lead to death. Why did Jesus say that? I think you are correct in that it refers to a future of us being saved from the second death.
b. Wait a minute, I thought Jesus loved everyone and is trying to save all?
c. If this is done to bring glory to God, then God has determined that Lazarus would die for that purpose. So God has used evil ( death ) to bring himself glory. That point seems to be a problem with non Calvinists. As a Calvinist I would say - God has determined to permit something evil to come to pass for the purpose of bringing Himself Glory. But God is not the perpetrator of that evil. ( I think John Piper would agree with this statement also since you have used him to refute this point in the past)
3. When you read the entire 4th chapter of 1 Thessalonians it is clear that it is talking about those who died prior to Jesus coming to earth. They were worried about those who died before but Paul is assuring them that they too will be raised in the last days.
4. You mentioned some of the other miracles but they all were not people touching Jesus first. I do believe that his healing people is the clear teaching of Christs purpose for Him coming and and is the analogy of Him granting salvation. MacArthur has a great sermon on Luke 4 about this.
ua-cam.com/video/f8jQKigWZNo/v-deo.html
I could talk for hours on this stuff. Always learning.
Only to your first point, I’d be interested to know the titles of the sermons/messages Jordan pulled his clips from. For example, I’m almost positive the Sproul clips are from a message where he is discussing Ephesians 2, and it is in Ephesians 2 where Paul uses the “death” motif alongside the “raised to life/resurrection” motif. Well, since we have a passage that gives us a real life example of resurrection (Lazarus) then it is appropriate to draw parallels. But yes, I don’t think most Calvinists claim that John 11 and “being born again” are directly analogous.
I dont know how anyone born again from above by the will and grace of God alone cannot see the parallels to Lazarus. Like Lazarus, we were dead to God until He raised us to life in Christ. Although Lazarus was a "believer" before he died, it was God who killed him. It was God who also raised him up to new life. Did you not die when you were born again from above? Yes, you did. Who killed you? GOD. Can "life" be new when the old remains alive? Answer: no. The old you died when you were born again from above, and like Lazarus being dead and unable to respond by "choice" to being raised to life, neither is man the determiner.
Lazarus is clearly depicting the fact that man does NOT "choose" Life from the grave, the power of Gods grace alone according to election does.
@@ManassehJones
Great points. This is how we become "in Christ" and it definitely parallels nicely with other texts.
@@davevandervelde4799 Word. Amen. Agape & Phileo Brother.
But no: you cant "respond" unless there is something or someone to respond to. What we are all responding to is the drawing of the Holy Spirit to Jesus. YES, we need that work to come to God. Where they err is in saying that God only draws a little handful of people, when the Bible says just the opposite, over and over and over.
4 Biblical paradigms for "Dead in trespasses and sins": (1) Adam, who hid from God but could still hear God and respond to Him. (2) Jesus gave the example of the starving Jews who were dying of hunger but could still accept the manna and eat it to live. (3) Jesus gave the example of Israelites poisoned by serpents. They were dying, but still able to look up at the Bronze Serpent and live. (4) Jesus told the parable of the prodigal son, who was starving and separated from his father, but he could still feel his hunger and decide to return home. Accept the paradigms Jesus used. Reject the paradigms used by Calvinists. Calvinist brothers, if your system doesn’t fit with the paradigms Jesus used, then modify your system!
You are WAY too gracious towards these men…. They have absolutely added to the Gospel
No, they haven’t added to the gospel because they don’t know the gospel.
They’ve just weaponised the scripture to suit their own messed up man made theology.
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1Th 4:16 ISV With a shout of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of God’s trumpet, the Lord himself will come down from heaven, and the dead who belong to the Messiah will rise first.
What's amazing is the preceding verse changing subject
1Th 4:15 ISV For we declare to you what the Lord has told us to say: We who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have died.
We who are alive and remain until the coming (Parosia)
Mat 16:27-28 ISV 27 The Son of Man is going to come with his angels in his Father’s glory, and then he will repay everyone according to what he has done. 28 I tell all of you with certainty, some people standing here will not experience death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
Rev 14:15 ISV Another angel came out of the Temple, crying out in a loud voice to the one who sat on the cloud, “Swing your sickle, and gather the harvest, for the hour has come to gather it, because the harvest of the earth is fully ripe.”
Dan 12:1-2 ISV 1 “‘At that time, Michael will arise, the great prince who will stand up on behalf of your people, and a time of trouble will come like there has never been since nations began until that time. Also at that time, your people will be delivered-everyone who will have been written in the book. 2 Many of those who are sleeping in the dust of the earth will awaken-some to life everlasting, and some to disgrace and everlasting contempt.
Just conecting the dots😊
Huh ?
@@cecilspurlockjr.9421 the parosia happened 2000years ago aaahhh!
@@petergouvignon8048 are you just to scared to admit you're a preterist heretic or what ? Spit it out kid and quit wasting my time.
I think you missed the entire point of the ANALOGY between RESURRECTION and NEW BIRTH. No one contends they are the same thing. As you rightly point out, Lazarus was already a believer, he was already born again. The contention is that they occur in the SAME WAY. For example, no one is saying the Lazarus story is an EXAMPLE of new birth, but merely an analogy to it. We all agree that the the resurrection of the body is the FINAL STEP (see Paul's teaching on this in 1 Corinthians 15:42-49). In the END, the ENTIRE man will be made new at the RESURRECTION. What is our guarantee that we will be among them? It is the NEW BIRTH IN OUR HEARTS. What God has STARTED with the renewal of our hearts will END with the renewal of the WHOLE MAN. Indeed, we KNOW we have a resurrection of the WHOLE MAN because God has already done it to OUR HEART, i.e. made it alive.
The burden is on you to show the DISJUNCTION between the two. That LIFE is given to the heart because of OUR FAITH but that LIFE is given to the whole body because of the CALL OF CHRIST. I don't think you did that.
As we discussed a week or so ago, being born again has a definite result... it results in being able to SEE THE KINGDOM. You played the clip of Leighton speaking of "our debt" and the "ability to repay it" versus "the ability to acknowledge that we owe it and cannot repay it and accept the gift from our friend to repay it". But that is the point, until one is born again... they CANNOT even see the debt, thus cannot acknowledge that it is owed, thus we cannot see that Christ has the ability to pay the debt, and thus we cannot ask Him to do so. Those who are not born again know NOTHING of Christ's kingship or of their obligation to Him. But once they have been born again they DO SEE IT. What is the PROOF that they have been born again? It is an ACKNOWLEDGMENT that they owe the debt... they SEE IT NOW... it is repentance as the Tax Collector did and the Publican could not. It is then FAITH since they now see Christ's kingship and His ability to forgive all of their debt.
Ok but where does the Bible say Lazarus is an analogy of being born again? Jesus literally gives salvation analogies (parables) in the Bible that talk about the prodigal son for example, choosing to repent.
@@estherruth4692 - I was difficult to tell from the clips Jordan was using, but I don’t think anyone says outright that the resurrection of Lazarus is intended to be an analogy to new birth EXCEPT that they are discussing Paul’s language in Ephesians 2:1-10, and it’s analogy to being dead and raised. So, in Ephesians 2, Paul is drawing an analogy between resurrection and our going from Spiritual death to life. I assume that most of the clips were taken from sermons on Ephesians 2 and using Lazarus to illustrate the point that it is by the power of God.
But that is the point, until one is born again... they CANNOT even see the debt, thus cannot acknowledge that it is owed, thus we cannot see that Christ has the ability to pay the debt, and thus we cannot ask Him to do so.
Please show where you see this in the Bible? It is God that leads us to repentance and that is how we get saved! We don’t get saved the repent
@@petecymbalak650 - Here is the conversation I had with Jordan before he posted this video, that might be helpful context and it helps to explain my view:
*"Jordan - I'd be happy to chat through this with you. Coming from your perspective I would imagine that there is quite a bit of confusion regarding the various analogies/motifs used in Scripture. For example, understanding that being "born again" (a new life/beginning motif) is different from being "raised to life" (a resurrection motif referring to the final outcome) as found in Colossians 2:12. Or another one I commonly see, mistaking the work of the Spirit in causing one to be "born again" (a new life/beginning motif) with being "sealed by the Spirit" (a judicial motif related to God proving the legitimacy of our new birth). There is an enormous temptation to simply conflate all of these different motifs into the same thing (e.g. being born again). Rather, new birth refers to that singular moment when a person is CHANGED so that they can see the kingdom of God. Thus, Jesus says in John 3 to Nicodemus: “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again HE CANNOT SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD.”
Being born again has a definite result... it results in being able to SEE THE KINGDOM. Jesus explains to the Pharisees in Luke 17:20-21:
When asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The kingdom of God will not come with observable signs. Nor will people say, ‘Look, here it is,’ or ‘There it is.’ For you see, the kingdom of God is in your midst.
Jesus explains to them that the kingdom of God is ALREADY HERE. It is ALREADY in our midst. Nothing "new" is going to change... no "new sign" will appear... that will mark its coming. You either SEE IT NOW or YOU DON'T. The difference isn't something that changes OUT THERE in the world external to us. The change happens WITHIN US, i.e. we are born again, and THEN we can see it. So if the verse is not speaking of this INTERNAL change that happens to us that RESULTS in us seeing the kingdom of God, it is not speaking of new birth."*
The point is, Jesus gives no indication in this passage or elsewhere that raising Lazarus is to be taken as analogous to salvation in any way.
It's literally about being raised from literal death.
Hi brother God bless you
No, regeneration does not precede faith, but drawing does. Jesus said that He would draw ALL men if He was lifted up.
He was lifted up on the cross. Therefore, like it or not, He draws ALL men. But they are more hostile toward what the Bible actially says about that drawing, what it really consists of, and who it goes to, than anything else. Why, when it is that drawing that they are mistakenly (?) misrepresenting as regeneration? Is it just the exclusivity, that seems to say you arent so special to God, if He draws all men, and it is up to us people, whether we receive His gift? That's how ths Bible tells it, and if they dont like it, they need to take it up with God and shut up their evil speaking against "prevenient grace", i.e. the real work of the Holy Spirit to bring us to God. God does NOT leave us alone, but while He draws us ALL to Jesus, He has let us decide. And that is why we're held accountable for receiving or rejecting. Thats the way it is represented in the Bible. Check it out for yourself, without reference to almighty Augustine, Calvin, Sproul, etc.
Order salutis:
And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
Romans 8:28-30 NASB1995
Ordo stupid autocorrect.
That passage isn't the ordo solutis. It's Paul speaking to believers, who have already believed and been saved, about God's blessings and calling for them. He's not informing us of how or why they believed. You are not rightly dividing God's word.
@nathanhellrung9810 of course he's talking to believers. Who else would he be explaining the ordo solutis to? What a goofy comment! If it were anyone but believers it would be repent and brlieve the gospel.
1:foreknew
2:predestined
3:called
4:justified
5:glorified
It's abbreviated, of course. But I think I can rest my case. I'm sure you'll argue. But I'm done here. Moving on.
How can this be a picture of Salvation if Regeneration must come first? Are Calvinists saying this is a picture of Regeneration then? If not, then there is obviously a cognitive dissonance going on. How can Lazarus be a picture of Salvation if there was not Regeneration first? I think this is actually very problematic for a Calvinist, not helpfu.
Plus, if Lazarus's resurrection is a picture of salvific rebirth, then his later second death means what? They must continue the analogy, and then it falls apart completely. Unless they're denying the "P" in TULIP.
Why do you block the accounts of Calvinists that post scripture. I mean, logically if you think you're right then you'd welcome the posting of scripture. This is fishy.
Still not as egregious as using the dry bones of Ezekiel to teach Regeneration Precedes Faith, because the church has replaced Israel 🤦♂️
Using the resurrection of Lazarus as an analogy for salvation is a case study in eisegesis.
The process is the preaching of the Gospel Holy Spirit conviction faith regeneration.
Regeneration is before faith, for without being born again a man is incapable of exercising saving faith. A light bulb glows because electricity is sent through it, it does not glow so that electricity can be sent through it.
I thank you for your video, I've been watching these and I've been interested, I believe. Lazarus was one of three signs of Jonah, which was rejected by the spiritual leaders of Israel, Jesus 's own sign of Jonah. Resurrection, was also rejected, there's one more sign of Jonah in the book of Revelation, and I believe Israel will not reject that sign, again. Jesus reaching out to Israel still even after they rejected him. He's a loving God of forgiving God along suffering God
Yet the new birth is compared to baptism
You must first take up your cross and follow jesus before you DIE .
Likewise lazuras must first take up his death before he was thrown into the tomb.
Lazarus is not a good anolgy for calvinists .
Great video Jordan! God bless! ✝️
I think christians who are familiar with Islam would all agree that if any muslim would truly study Islam amd Allah using only their logic and Quran they would have no choice but to abandon Islam because of how false it is. Likewise if any calvanist did the same they too would be convicted to abandon calvanism which portrays a god but not God Almighty.
Great video, Jordan!
Jesus literally meant nothing. Apart from Christ all we do is sin.
To be fair to Jordan, if Jesus literally meant "nothing" in an absolute sense then we couldn't even sin. Jesus meant "nothing good".
@@brentonstanfield5198 don’t be pedantic. Jordan’s point is that we can do some good things, we just can’t lead a perfect life. The Bible tells us we can do no good of our own.
@@chrisharris9710 - I'm not being pedantic. Just specific. I know what Jordan's point was and I also know what the objection would be to your point.
@@brentonstanfield5198 of course you’re being pedantic. The context of John 15:5 is fruit (good in the eyes of God), and Jesus is being absolutely literal that nobody apart from him does good in the eyes of God.
@@chrisharris9710 - 😂. It’s amazing to me how fellow Calvinists can be obnoxious. Pedantic.
Jesus speaks of both GOOD FRUIT and BAD FRUIT (see Luke 6:43-45). But ok, I didn’t doubt that it was obvious from the context of the passage. But you don’t post the passage. I am aware of the context… and others who read this post might not be. A simple, “that’s true, Jesus meant anything good” would have been fine. But gee, go ahead and insult someone and call them “pedantic”… and confirm every stereo type about Calvinists while you are at it. Gentleness and respect brother.
I feel Calvinism is very dangerous in the church
To me it goes against God's character. He is a patient God. Why would he need to be patient with people he elects to be saved regardless? 🤔
He would utilize patience for a "free agent" God gives us choice, and he is sovereign, and his will is going to be done.
Both exist....he is that powerful
Anyone can believe, in James 2:19 it says even the demons believe. But we are called not just to believe, but to trust, in faith. Going from belief to faith is not a large leap, but it is a leap of faith. In that faith we gain salvation as God has decreed, we do not save ourselves, but we are saved through our Faith. Not given faith to believe, that is a major point that Calvinists get horribly wrong.
What part of the law or the 10 commandments is faith or letting go found?
They are not part of the law!!
🎯🎯Very excellently done.🏆🏆
2 Cor 4:4-6, God must lift the veil first because we were blinded by the god of this world. He must first command the light of the gospel to shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of Christ before we can even respond. Eph 2:1 He made us alive when we were dead in sin. So yeah if total inability and depravity is true then the case of Lazarus is a valid illustration. The problem is in your theology, man is only sick. There is no absolute spiritual deadness/inability in order to preserve semi pelagian, libertarian ability of man.
Notice, when you said the fruit of the spirit, you left out faith
If he was using the fruit of the Spirit as outlined in Galatians 5:22-23 then he didn't leave out anything, as faith is not listed as a fruit of the Spirit. Faith is a prerequisite for being filled with the Spirit and having the fruit be part of our lives. Galatians 5:22-23 says this, "For the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law." Faith isn't included.
@@ericedwards5034 You: “ faith is not listed as the fruit of the spirit”
Bible: Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, *FAITH*
Oops
@@ericedwards5034 Why did he leave out faith?
He Left Out Faith Galations 5:22
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@@aletheia8054 no oops, you appeal to the KJV which is the only translation that I saw that translated it as faith, where the others I looked at translated to faithfulness.
And I could be wrong, but it seems like maybe you appeal to the KJV here simply to prove a point and likely appeal to others when they support you. But, I could be wrong.
Dude sickness leads to death and Christ is the great physician bringing us new life.
This is an ego issue more than a biblical one in your case
Reformed preachers make a living on making stuff up that’ll preach.
The bible uses more than one model for sin; sickness, slavery and deadness. Calvinists clamp down on one analogy an build their system off of it.
might have missed it, but why are you putting apologiastudios and jeff durbin in your title without the context of what he had said about the topic?
He said Lazarus wasn’t about “initial salvation” because Lazarus was a believer.
But then he turns around and says “I stand at the door knock” is a call to salvation but it was something Jesus said to a church of believers
Go figure
I think this is a partially valid point you are making. Jesus does say this within the context of speaking to "the church." But, while speaking to the church he says "if anyone"... or "if any man" hears my voice... which extends this invitation beyond the scope of the church and makes it applicable to anyone.
@@GreatLightStudios Yes, it’s in the context of the church. If anyone in the church. That’s the context.
The whole book is the Revelation to the churches .
Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write;
Revelation 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit said unto the churches.
So you all believe that you play a part in your own salvation, by choosing to believe in God? (Genuinely asking as someone who is just learning about Calvinism, and probably agrees with it, but I want to hear all sides)
Sure, I agree, Lazarus’s story may not be about salvation, but scripture says we are dead in trespasses and sin. What can a dead man do but stink? How can a dead person choose to repent and believe in Christ?
Jesus also said that no one can come to Him unless the Father draws him.
How can you read Romans 9:22-23 and state your own opinion on what “good” is. God is not like us, and many of His ways are far beyond our comprehension.
I fear that a rejection of Calvinism is a rejection of biblical truths throughout all of scripture. I’d love to know your thoughts. :)
What church do you go to? It’s like no one’s teaching a Greek or anything. Your overlooking basic things when you talk about the Bible. It’s like your left to yourself to figure it out and no one at your church is teaching you.
Calvinists have to resort to interpreting parables and pictures and analogies and metaphors in such a way as to prop up their system because the plain clear direct *statements* of scripture say the *opposite* of their system.
That’s a grave misunderstanding. There is a lot of people who do this on both sides.
@@Migler1 I just disagree. This is not a "well, it's not really clear, it could go either way, it really just depends on your viewpoint" thing. A normal rational person who never heard of Calvinism, just reading the story of Lazarus or John 3:17 or 1 John 2:2 or Romans 5:18 or Luke 2:10-11 or 2 Peter 2:1 in their Bible, wouldn't get "effectual grace" or "effectual call" or total depravity-inability or limited atonement out of it. It's imposed onto the scripture by theories and philosophies and agenda driven interpretations of men.
@missiletoad7050 Sure. I think we all need to look at scripture and take the sum of it all.
@@Migler1 That's fair enough. But taking the sum of it all and reading the same consistent message communicated and outright stated again and again and again, and then going out speaking the direct *opposite* of what you see there (as Calvinism does) just isn't going to happen without imposition and infection by men's ideas, that's my point.
Calvinists are wrong about everything… so yeah of course…
Were they wrong when they built the colonies into the greatest nation of all time, established the greatest educational institutions of all time, and led the world for hundreds of years in global missions through people like William Carey who was a reformed baptist, as well as David Livingston, as a Scottish Presbyterian? Also don’t forget that the leading group of people in history in the in the realm of apologetics and a defense of the scriptures as innerant and infallible were reformed. Also lets not forget that the reason all of these so ignorantly confused and wrong minded Calvinists created these things was due to the fact that they had a Calvinist worldview and vision in mission, culture, government, science, art, and family. Also non reformed thinkers have done great things as well not to downplay all the good they have done but largely the reformed are the ones who were at the forefront of building the world that the liberals are all trying to tear down.
@@tylercobb2743 it was Christian values not reformed theology that built this nation. Calvinism is a false gospel and it can only lead to destruction. It is just as or even more destructive than liberal theology. Calvinism is a well crafted deceitful mix of truth and lies straight from the mouth of the father of all lies. The Bible was the foundation for this nation and not Calvinism. If Calvinism was the model there would be no religious freedom or any other freedom because only a select predetermined class would have any rights. There would be no choices and only one state sponsored religion. Do you even know the tenants of Calvinism?
@@tylercobb2743the calvinists didn't do that so quit lying . They were part of that while people like Calvin w were burning them alive and putting them in jail for not addressing him as master Calvin and zwingli was even a worse murderer than Calvin was .
So you don't believe in justification by grace alone, through faith alone, in the Christ of the Bible alone, to the glory of God alone? What sort of perverted pseudo-gospel do you preach?
@@gregb6469 Calvinists believe in predetermined birth right and special election and call it faith through grace. They say the evidence of living a holy life and persevering is the only evidence of salvation…. That’s what they call faith through Grace, I believe in what the Bible says. The calvinists changed the definition to all those terms. It is faith in a man, not the Bible’s saving word .
The same reason Calvinists are wrong on everything.
explain
The call of “whosoever will” as seen in passages like Revelation 22:17, Matthew 22:14, Romans 10:13, John 11:26, Acts 10:43, 1 John 2:1-2, and John 7:37 is the outward call of the preacher that goes out to all men promiscuously and indiscriminately, but just as in John 11:43 where Jesus calls out with a loud voice: “Lazarus, come forth,” the inward call of the shepherd is to individuals by name (John 6:29, 37-44). It is this individual call that we see exemplified in the analogy of the shepherd calling out only to His sheep individually by name from among the larger flock in John 10.
Jesus said many times, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear” (Matthew 11:15; Mark 4:9; Luke 8:8, 14:35). The point is that everyone has ears, but only a few are listening and responding. Not everyone who hears the gospel receives it but only the "few" who have ears to hear. The "many" hear, but there is no interest or there is outright antagonism toward God because they do not have ears to hear since they are not His sheep (John 10:26-28). Many are called or invited into the kingdom by the preacher, but none are able to come on their own. God must draw the hearts of those who come; otherwise they will not (John 6:44), and they will not because they cannot (Romans 5:6, 8:7, 9:16), and faith must be given to them by God (John 6:29, Hebrews 12:2), because it is impossible that anyone could do this on their own (Romans 8:7).
Leighton Flowers sure makes some spiritually surly people his theological compadres. First Andy Stanley. Now Jordan. Can Okra Wimpy be far behind? LOL.
What do you define as surly? Anyone who doesn't agree with Calvinistic theology?