Orthodox Christian here. While Holy Communion is a mystery, it is definitely believed by us to be the very body and blood of Christ. This is especially emphasized liturgically (when we prostrate on the ground during the Presanctified Liturgy during Lent and at the epiclesis on kneeling days) and in the prayers in preparation for and thanksgiving for receiving Holy Communion.
@@christianf5131 Lutheran Service Book: Pew Edition. $29.99 from Concordia Publishing House. The old Lutheran Book of Worship (1978, Augsburg/Fortress) is also similar, though I don't think it is in print anymore. More recently the Evangelical Lutheran Worship of the ELCA has some similarity, though it contains all the clunky gender inclusive language one might expect.
It looks lie you took down your Lancelott Andrewes Private Devotions video, so I'm sticking this on here. You made me look for a prayer for Christian Unity in Andrewes, and I discoveed that the LAP book is a traslation by Newman and Neale and the NHP is a reprint of Alexander Whyte's edition, which includes this: &n &tt of Intercession. O GOD of truth, the Prince of peace, let there be peace and truth in our days ; let all that believe be of one heart and of one soul. Thou Who breakest not the bruised reed, Who quenchest not the smoking flax, establish all them that stand in truth and grace, restore them that are falling through error or sin. 1 beseech Thee, O Lord, of Thy mercy, let Thine anger be turned away from this city, and from this house ; for we have sinned against Thee. Be Thou pleased favourably to regard this place and all this land, tempering justice with mercy. Grant that I may love them that love me, even though unknown to me ; and bring them, as me, into Thy heavenly kingdom ; and grant that I may shew them the mercy of God, by remembering them in my prayers ; that I, with those for whom I have prayed, and those for whom I am in any way bound to pray, and with all the people of God, may have an entrance into Thy kingdom, there to appear in righteousness, and to be satisfied with glory. The Whyte book is available as a PDF. I gave away my LAP editioon, and shucks, you may have made me orde it again.
Thanks for that! And yeah I need to refilm as it seems the video quality was abysmal. I pointed to thing that appeared just as blurry lines so I figured it was pointless, but maybe it wasn’t!
I also think I should strive for quality over quantity as you mulled over recently, and me looking at a book I haven’t read but a few pages struck as just trying to get clicks so I want to dig into Lancelot Andrewes devotions, and then discuss more.
Or, why I ain't a protestant. I am supposed to intepet the Bible for myself but if I disagree with Luther I will go to hell. At least Luther wasn't so bad as Calvin, who burned those who interpreted the Bible for themselves in ways that disagreed with Calvin. I think few people fully understand what a unique thing Cranmer's Offices of Morning and Evening Prayer are, making a sort of Readers' Digest version of the Prayer of the Hours accessible to anyone, aity or clergy alike. Of course he introduced them with his own lengthy explainations of them, but very few people bother with them. I put tis book on my a;zon wish list when I starteed watching your video, but by the end I am taking it off. No, I am not a fan of Luther.
Was Luther pretty dogmatic about those in disagreement going to hell? I haven’t read much of his work, yet, so I genuinely don’t know. That brings me to another question: what was the Anglican view of salvation outside the Church (their corner of it) prior to, say Branch theory? I always felt a positive of the Protestant churches is that they seem to believe that if you believe in Christ, you’re okay full stop, and that mostly includes Roman Catholics. I don’t know if that’s the historical view, but it’s the view I believe most Lutherans hold currently.
I just realized, the lack of a prayer book is what you meant for why you’re not a Lutheran? Ha, that makes sense if so. The BCP is such a wonderful Tradition and is a nice help for seeing how the church views scripture
@@dalecaldwell I suppose I have mixed feelings on the reformation as well, though I find myself somewhere in the Anglican/Lutheran realm. Do you have a video sharing your thoughts on Luther at all?
@@christianf5131 (Most Lutherans I known or have known don't much agee with much of Luther. But of course Lutherans are a very fragmened bunch of fol.) It is kinda hard to pin down what Anglican consider necessary for salvation. Officially in the early days the standardd was the Athanasian Creed, along with the 39. Under Henry the folks who ot burned or decapitated were those who didn't kis the ring of the king as the head of the church, a policy pretty much followed during the brief reign of his son. Was Mary and Anglican? , Well, kind of. I don't thin parliament disheaded her as head of the Church. But she burned protestants. Her sister Elizabeth has a better press but she burned many more folks--catholics this time--than did Mary, even if one adjsts to a per-week basis. These days there seem to be Anglicans who don't really believe that Jesus even existed. Once again, why I find the proetestant reformation to have ben, on the whole, a very bad thing.
Orthodox Christian here. While Holy Communion is a mystery, it is definitely believed by us to be the very body and blood of Christ. This is especially emphasized liturgically (when we prostrate on the ground during the Presanctified Liturgy during Lent and at the epiclesis on kneeling days) and in the prayers in preparation for and thanksgiving for receiving Holy Communion.
@@kathismatastic thank you for your comment, and my apologies if I framed it in any other way.
The Lutheran book that is the most like the book of common prayer is The Lutheran Service Book.
Is there a commonly printed rendition?
@@christianf5131 The Pew edition or the Kindle versions are good too.
@@christianf5131 Lutheran Service Book: Pew Edition. $29.99 from Concordia Publishing House. The old Lutheran Book of Worship (1978, Augsburg/Fortress) is also similar, though I don't think it is in print anymore. More recently the Evangelical Lutheran Worship of the ELCA has some similarity, though it contains all the clunky gender inclusive language one might expect.
It looks lie you took down your Lancelott Andrewes Private Devotions video, so I'm sticking this on here. You made me look for a prayer for Christian Unity in Andrewes, and I discoveed that the LAP book is a traslation by Newman and Neale and the NHP is a reprint of Alexander Whyte's edition, which includes this:
&n &tt of Intercession.
O GOD of truth, the Prince of peace,
let there be peace and truth in our days ; let all that believe be of one heart and of one soul. Thou Who breakest not the bruised reed,
Who quenchest not the smoking flax, establish all them that stand in truth and grace, restore them that are falling through error or sin.
1 beseech Thee, O Lord, of Thy mercy,
let Thine anger be turned away from this city,
and from this house ;
for we have sinned against Thee.
Be Thou pleased favourably to regard this place and
all this land, tempering justice with mercy.
Grant that I may love them that love me, even though unknown to me ; and bring them, as me, into Thy heavenly kingdom ; and grant that I may shew them the mercy of God,
by remembering them in my prayers ; that I, with those for whom I have prayed,
and those for whom I am in any way bound to pray, and with all the people of God,
may have an entrance into Thy kingdom,
there to appear in righteousness, and to be satisfied with glory.
The Whyte book is available as a PDF. I gave away my LAP editioon, and shucks, you may have made me orde it again.
Thanks for that! And yeah I need to refilm as it seems the video quality was abysmal. I pointed to thing that appeared just as blurry lines so I figured it was pointless, but maybe it wasn’t!
I also think I should strive for quality over quantity as you mulled over recently, and me looking at a book I haven’t read but a few pages struck as just trying to get clicks so I want to dig into Lancelot Andrewes devotions, and then discuss more.
@@christianf5131 The PDF, BTW, includes the biography
@@dalecaldwell I’m one of those fans of bound printed matter, though my mother is a librarian, so maybe that’s why.
Or, why I ain't a protestant. I am supposed to intepet the Bible for myself but if I disagree with Luther I will go to hell. At least Luther wasn't so bad as Calvin, who burned those who interpreted the Bible for themselves in ways that disagreed with Calvin. I think few people fully understand what a unique thing Cranmer's Offices of Morning and Evening Prayer are, making a sort of Readers' Digest version of the Prayer of the Hours accessible to anyone, aity or clergy alike. Of course he introduced them with his own lengthy explainations of them, but very few people bother with them. I put tis book on my a;zon wish list when I starteed watching your video, but by the end I am taking it off. No, I am not a fan of Luther.
Was Luther pretty dogmatic about those in disagreement going to hell? I haven’t read much of his work, yet, so I genuinely don’t know.
That brings me to another question: what was the Anglican view of salvation outside the Church (their corner of it) prior to, say Branch theory? I always felt a positive of the Protestant churches is that they seem to believe that if you believe in Christ, you’re okay full stop, and that mostly includes Roman Catholics. I don’t know if that’s the historical view, but it’s the view I believe most Lutherans hold currently.
I just realized, the lack of a prayer book is what you meant for why you’re not a Lutheran? Ha, that makes sense if so. The BCP is such a wonderful Tradition and is a nice help for seeing how the church views scripture
@@christianf5131 No. I am not a Lutheran because of Luther and the whole I think rather horible protestant 'reformation'.
@@dalecaldwell I suppose I have mixed feelings on the reformation as well, though I find myself somewhere in the Anglican/Lutheran realm. Do you have a video sharing your thoughts on Luther at all?
@@christianf5131 (Most Lutherans I known or have known don't much agee with much of Luther. But of course Lutherans are a very fragmened bunch of fol.) It is kinda hard to pin down what Anglican consider necessary for salvation. Officially in the early days the standardd was the Athanasian Creed, along with the 39. Under Henry the folks who ot burned or decapitated were those who didn't kis the ring of the king as the head of the church, a policy pretty much followed during the brief reign of his son. Was Mary and Anglican? , Well, kind of. I don't thin parliament disheaded her as head of the Church. But she burned protestants. Her sister Elizabeth has a better press but she burned many more folks--catholics this time--than did Mary, even if one adjsts to a per-week basis. These days there seem to be Anglicans who don't really believe that Jesus even existed. Once again, why I find the proetestant reformation to have ben, on the whole, a very bad thing.