Free Quality UPGRADE & HDR Streaming is BACK | OBS Beta 30.1 Explained
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OBS just got a new beta for version 30.1 which brings HDR RTMP streaming back with HEVC, scaling filter choices for rescaled outputs, fixed Image Slideshow source, and more!
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you know the OBS update is hot when the stream professor doesn't even have time to setup a mic arm
Lolol
2:55 The NEW BETA feature I found really impressive on a side note to all info was the direct source audio window capture, that allows for direct Windows audio source to be captured, great little feature that I find may improve our streaming quality of life once ready to use and awesome this has been added. Thanks EPOS, keep the great work up! Peace
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The scaling update is HUGE! I had been wondering this for years why my stream would always look worse when I would scale down using the preset in the encoder tab now I know I am getting proper filtering for the highest quality on a downscale
Yes!
Yup, this is the big one for me!
I love how your videos have just enough info to give a pretty high level brief about each feature, but not too much so as to bog down the video or confuse people. Love your content G, can’t wait to see some data behind the “free quality update” and more VST stuff :))
Never thought Bicubic is better than Lanczos, just made a switch in streaming settings, thanks for the tip
clean new transitions, I dig the scale push pull.
Been using Lanczos for years because I assumed “36 samples > 16 samples, so it must be better”. Gonna swap to bicubic now, thanks!
same here lol
Great video, this is literally a dream come true. Any chances you will be covering the Bridgecast X ?
Looking fwd to this OBS version to be ready.
The scaling for the output tab is so nice to have now (since I do record at 1440p and stream at 1080p) even if it isn't a major increase in quality, it's still a little bump, especially coming from someone streaming using an AMD card. Just hope Twitch/OBS are able to implement AMD AV1/H265 options for streaming on twitch soon as well!
Do you lose any performance by rescaling in Output tab?
Plz post back if you find out
Hey! Thanks for the great videos! Question about this scaling. I have a 1440p monitor and I game and stream on the same PC. To keep things simple with Twitch streaming, I've been doing a 1080p canvas and just Fit to Screen on all the game sources. Should I be changing my canvas to 1440p and rescaling now with these new filters or should I just leave it be?
I mainly left it alone at 1080p canvas because when I change from PC gaming to my Nintendo Switch, its 1080p anyways. Wasn't sure if It would be great to upscale my Switch to 1440p to match my PC, or keep my PC down to 1080p to match my Switch.
Hardware wise I'm using a Ryzen 7 7700X and I just got a 4080 Super.
Thanks again! Love your videos! 😺
Thank you for the info mate
Thanks for watching
nice to know about bicubic and lanczos i thought it was just like anti-aliasing and that higher was better for image quality and never questioned it.
I'm having problems with the PCM 32 bit audio float, on Mac, it plays fine in IINA but not in QuickTime, it also doesn't work on davinci resolve. Is that a resolve problem? should it work?
Yeah for resolve you still have to remux sadly
hello idk where to ask
can you provide suggestion of what additional settings to use if im using obs for instant replay only so i dont stream
i got 7900xt and 7800x3d
currently using qvbr and would like to use it and av1
but i dont understand or know much about other settings that you can manually input
So should i downscale my 1440p canvas in the output tab now instead of video tab?
If you want the ability to record in 1440p, sure. If you don’t care, doesn’t matter
Perhaps I had something misconfigured, or maybe tonemapping behavior is different in Window Capture vs Game Capture, but I found the new filter to be leaps and bounds better than the old ones. The old ones were always a bit over exposed and washed out, often getting the really saturated colors wrong. An example I can give are my emblems in Destiny, I use First to the Forge and Draconis Tetrachroma (these are very google-able), both emblems are very colorful. In the old filter Draconis would turn way too pink when it was supposed to be somewhere between pink and purple, and FTTF would become very pale as the filter struggled to reel in its near highlight levels of brightness. Everything is just preserved better.
The settings I landed on were 2000 nits (the same as the game) for the Input Maximum, and 600 nits for the Output Maximum. I'll mess around with these values in other games and see what happens.
So, Bicubic for downscaling, but isn't lanczos still preferable for upscaling?
This was a great video on the new update. I was wondering. I game and want to capture/stream on the same PC. I have a Ryzen 9 7950x and RTX 4090. I also have a 2Gbs download and 200Mbs upload... Should I be fine using OBS for game capturing and streaming for UA-cam?
What settings would you recommend if I want to capture at 4K HDR and Stream in 4K?
Thanks in advance for any advice/help.👍
Yep! Should work fine
Advanced settings:
P010, rec2100 PQ
encoder settings
NVENC HEVC
Cbr 45mbps
Keyframe int 2
Preset p2
Tuning high quality
Multipass either leave default or change to single
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@@EposVox Oh wow! Fantastic, you're an absolute gentleman. I really appreciate it!
Have u been having issues with audio bugging out after about 30 min? I have recently been experiencing a buzz or static in my audio after about 30 min of streaming ands it’s on my application audio source and desktop
I'm trying to record and stream games like Dead Space or Star Wars Jedi Survivor at the same time, and my OBS gave me a message that I need to use a faster encoder.
I have a 4090 and an i7 13700k. What should I do if I want high-quality recording and streaming simultaneously?
what scaling filter should i use to upscale(from 1080p to 1440p) and what scaling filter should i use to downscale again, from 1440p to 936p? For apex gameplay specifically
From your quick explanation in this video, I would use area for both
Bicubic for both; apex is not a pixel art game
Could try area and see if you like it, but my recommendation would be bicubic
Wil OBS ever get VST 3 support?
With the GPU scaling, does this mean quality is the same, if not on par with the scaling thats typically in the video tab; but now in the 'rescale output' section as well?
Correct, it’s the same as the video tab
2:55 The NEW BETA feature I found really impressive on a side note to all info was the direct source audio window capture, that allows for direct Windows audio source to be captured, great little feature that I find may improve our streaming quality of life once ready to use and awesome this has been added. Thanks EPOS, keep the great work up! Peace
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I feel crazy because whenever I turn on hdr on my computer for my monitor, it feels like nothings changes. I have the asus pg27aqdm 240hz oled. I know this isnt what this video is about but what I am trying to get at is how we can stream hdr now when I cant even get it to work on my pc... shits wack my guys. just needed to get that out lol. Awesome video as always :)
So I have a question, if I’m using a duel PC with a capture card do I set the base canvas to my 1440p gaming monitor on the gaming pc? Or do I leave it 1080p like the streaming monitor I’m using? Thanks for the knowledge in advance.
I always set the base canvas to the resolution that i play games with.(For me that is 4K) And then scale from there.
Yep! I’d do 1440p base
@@EposVox thank you! Really enjoy all the content!
I never understood what there are both _"Base (Canvas)"_ resolution and _"Output (Scaled)"_ resolutions in the _Settings - Video_ page, since you have to choose in the _"Output - Streaming"_ tab what resolution to stream to if you wanted it to be different than the recording resolution anyway. You can fit everything in just fine in the whatever resolution canvas anyway, regardless of their actual size, so what's the point of having those two there?
In the beginning, I thought it was to have two different resolutions for streaming and recording, and I was confused when both recording and streaming ended up as the same resolution. I still don't understand the reason for having those two there when you must set it in the _"Output - Streaming"_ tab anyway.
Using a higher resolution canvas can be useful for certain effects as they have more pixel to work with if the canvas is bigger. Then the output scaling is just the same function offered a two place. I do not think there is more to it than that. And yes it can be used to have different resolution for the stream and recording. If I remember correctly, it is done with the advanced output mode.
I have a couple questions. What media player do you use for your PCM 32-Bit Float recordings? Is there a fix for the static that occurs in Application Audio Capture around 20 minutes into the recording? Does the new Audio Capture have the same problem? Lastly, I use Davinci Resolve Free but when I import HDR Video it's washed out, is there a fix for this?
I usually use MPV or QuickTime (on Mac) tho I can’t say I spend much time just playing my recordings back directly. Just take them straight to editing or UA-cam.
App audio capture static is caused by DPC latency, an issue in Windows - there’s a Windows fix coming to fix it for some, but no clue when it’ll show up in the Windows Update.
@EposVox Awesome, thank you! Do you recommend purchasing the Studio version of Davinci Resolve to deal with editing HDR videos? Or do you have a guide dealing with HDR on the Free version?
You probably need Studio to edit hdr. But it’ll still look washed out. Editing hdr videos is a nightmare on windows, you need dedicated bmd hardware to output to a separate hdr monitor, it’s a whole thjng
Hey, will there be an Option to Record only seperate Videosources? Like Stream my Game with Webcam but only Record the Gameplay without the Webcam? Or is there some Plugin that can do it?
There's a source record plug-in by exeldro that does that.
Use the vertical plugin you can set the resolution to a widescreen resolution. And works way better then source record.
seems like twitch vod track 2 thingy doesn't work on twitch with this version. some of the parts of my vod are muted.
Yep it’s a known bug covered in the discord. Should be fixed for beta 2
You didnt mention it but are the new scaling options GPU scaling options? Previously if you scaled at the encoded it did the scaling on the CPU which had huge performance hits. The only way to get GPU scaling was to scale at the video/canvas side. This seems like this would fix that but wanted to get some clarification. If this is GPU scaling then this is HUGE
It did not change your encoder if you rescaled before. The only issue was if you used NVENC, it would fall back to the older/less efficient NVENC implementation (prior to 2019) but it was still encoding on your GPU if you had a GPU encoder selected.
This does fix that, regardless, yes.
@@EposVox I was under the impression that any scaling done at the encoder settings was cpu scaling. This seemed pretty well reported when I looked in to it and explained the absolutely abysmal performance I’d get if I tried to stream/record at different resolutions. Hmmmm
Oh I misread that as cpu encoding
Yes you’re correct
It’s specifically GPU scaling here in this beta
@@EposVox excellent! It looks like 4K UA-cam is back on the menu!
Hopefully we'll get AV1 HDR in 2 years ... >.>
I'm interested to see encoder quality analysis on amd since their recent drivers should've improved quality of their h.264 but I didn't see anyone actually test it since everyone is focused on frame gen
from the changelog:
Video improvements
Content Adaptive Machine Learning (CAML) text detection has been updated to support up to 4K gaming for even greater clarity.
Various encoding support within AMD Software including AVC, HEVC and AV1 codecs have undergone additional optimizations to improve video encode quality.
Unfortunately for me I actually saw reduced quality at least in streaming from their 24.1.1 update. I actually had to revert to December's driver. I did report this through their tool to them, and there was another post I found someone on Reddit saying they had the same issue as me. Essentially being that it seemed like the bitrate on a stream would refresh every 3 seconds or so. Like an extreme quick fluctuation of bitrate. At least with 6-8000 Kbps on Twitch. Reverting fixed the issue for me, so I'm hoping that might be fixed in February's update.
where is the music?
Does Application Audio Capture finally stop degrading into a staticy mess every few hours? This is a well documented bug from many users across various platforms at this point. I hate even using Application Audio Capture because I never know if what I hear is what the audience is going to get.
According to an OBS dev who has been doing test streams on Twitch, the static with Application Audio Capture is due to DPC latency issues and is basically caused by Windows. They've been in contact with Microsoft for a fix, and there are supposedly plans for a fix (via Windows Update) coming Soon™.
So the new scaling feature is only really beneficial for recordings? I tried setting my output (scaled) resolution to 360p on the video tab and then set my rescale output to 1080p just to see if it would scale it up and the recording is just 1080p. Am I using this wrong or does it not do anything different to the scaling option in the video tab?
It’s useful for streaming too. I’m confused what the problem is, you told it to scale back up to 1080p, and it scaled back up to 1080p… that’s the expected result
But no, it doesn’t change anything in the video tab as the video tab already had these options. Only benefits Rescale Output in encoder settings
@@EposVoxTo be clear, setting the rescale output in the recording tab completely overrided the scaling in the video tab; the video wasn't upscaled to 1080p, it was just straight up 1080p
The question is how is this different behaviour to what could already be achieved in the video tab?
You do realize that 99.99% of the use cases for this functionality do not involve rescaling back to the same resolution your canvas is set to..?
@@EposVoxRight, but all those use cases are encapsulated in the video tab having the same functionality? I can set my video tab scaling output to 4K if I want
The primary use case is the one I described: where you want to be able to record native res and stream lower res, but control the scale filtering of the stream, which hasn’t been possible before.
The scenario you’re describing: canvas res 1080, output scaled res 360, then scale output 1080, produces a 1080p video because you told it to, but the video is being scaled twice. It’s not bypassing the video tab’s scaling. You’re still scaling your video down and back up. There’s no use case for that.
Huh, TIL bicubic > lanczos. Almost every OBS guide out there would have you believe otherwise. Do you have a video comparing these scaling filters?
Bro can u now make a step by step guide for how to set up a stream in HDR? I have a 13700k+4070ti build with an HDR monitor. (my internet kinda sucks. On SDR or normal streaming, I can't go past 15000 kbps bitrate without facing stream lags.) I just wanna be able to stream Resident evil games on HDR. (Also, when I tried previously, the stream would start with HDR then after a few seconds, drop to SDR quality. Tried a few times . Had the same results).
Look up low setting streaming with OBS then tweak to suit, there's probably a few boxes and settings you need to sort to fine tune the way you need
@@DJeMo okay bro. Tnx.
Plz can you explain why my stream, at the same output setting and bitrate as another, on the same game, mine lòoks worse?
Take 936p60fps, 6000 bitrate, game Black Desert Online. This persons quality when movement, effects, motion etc text is still clearly legible and such things just hold together much more even when foliage is there.
Then compare to my stream at the same thing, and even with more bitrate, mine is just worse looking quality when things are moving! Ive tried every single setting in the entire peogram. P5 P7, B Frames, Lookahead, blablabla, x264 best presets, one of it matters! Ive also tried Base Canvas of 936p, 1080p, 1440p (monitor is 1440p), matching framerate and monitor hz ie. 90fps lock game, 120fps lock game, 120hz monitor..
My game source is checked "limit capture framerste 60" though but ice tried with it off and again no difference...
how many key frames do you use?
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so what this means, can I stream in 720p 3000 bitrate because of my 3.5MB/s and output it into 1080p?
1080p will not look great with only 3mbps no
I bought Voicemeeter and then they add separate audio recording. Damn
it was previously application audio capture (beta) since the 30.0 i think.
Hdr was non functional before beta software?
No wonder my bandwidth sat at 0Kbps and 100% packet loss on 2.5Gbps symmetrical fiber.
Sdr works fine uses 52Mbps sustained at 4k.
You were not able to stream HDR over RTMP before this beta. It wouldn’t even let you.
You’d have to use HLS, which as described, some internet connections really didn’t like
@EposVox yeah thats what I tried was hls. My isp is Fidium Fiber.
I'm definitely not a big streamer as I mostly stream Planetside 2.
I will try the beta out soon, I think
And they still did not fix the streaming lag
Sure, because there’s no “streaming lag” problem inherent to OBS. If you’re experience lag in your streams, that’s down to your configuration and settings, no update is going to fix that
@@EposVox Ok thx but i tried everything in the book and always get lag i have the latest hardware and 100,000 kbps and when i watch the obs in game screen it lags the frame pacing can not keep up with the game at 60fps. Like i said if it stutters or lags in the game capture source then it will lag on the stream.
Granted you say.
Uh oh
Twitch NOT WORK AOD AUDIO
Yep, known issue frequently/widely reported in the Discord. Fixed in Beta 2 when it releases.
@@EposVox thanks for the info
I wish 2nd PC HDR recording was more simpler. This is a mess.
Public watching uu
I mean, yes, that’s the point of publishing videos
I wonder when if ever x264 will get some love
It did, for like 20 years.
@@EposVox I mean some kind of quality updates.
@@Predator0113m it did, for 20 years. Its time is over as far as i see it. Only to be used if you need backwards compatiblity cause of old devices being used.
Yeah software video encoding is no longer relevant for realtime streaming. H264 itself is about to stop being relevant altogether. X264 was supported and improved upon for 2 decades and there’s nothing more to be done with it.
But even if there were, again there’s no reason to still be using it
At this point x264 still gives better quality for live streaming compared to NVENC.
AV1 will change that but it will take some time. @@EposVox
Lanczos is better than bicubic
No, it adds lots of ringing artifacts and other noise.
Finally! HLS absolutely sucks