2024 Lange Shadow 130 LV Ski Boot Review with SkiEssentials.com
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2024
- Bob and Jeff have both been spending considerable amounts of time in the new Lange Shadow 130 LV and are excited to share their experiences! This boot is wild with all sorts of new technology.
Here's Lange's video showing a breakdown of the technology: • LANGE ski boots | The ...
Written Review: www.skiessentials.com/Chairli...
0:00 - Intro
3:00 - Shell Technology
9:10 - Liner Technology
13:25 - Customization
18:50 - Bob's Experience (Fit)
20:45 - Bob's Experience (Performance)
25:20 - Jeff's Experience (Performance
34:20 - Shadow vs RX vs RS
36:45 - Jeff's Experience (Fit)
Just bought these! Thanks for the review
Enjoy!
Best ski review is here, with these guys! Don't look any further. Great job you guys!
Thank you!
37:53 I too have the "Fred Flintstone" foot, short, high and wide. My fitter sez my foot fits better in the box. The RS 120 has been the only boot i can ski all day from the initial strap in, right outta the box(only custom insole). Light and comfortable. But Im afraid they've seen their day. This may be its replacement (?).
5'6/168. You did a hellava job steering me to the wingman. Thanks guys
Ha! Love the box joke. Good old bootfitter humor. If you had success in the RS 120, I'd imagine this boot will work great.
Bob, I d like to hear more of your experience skiing with the LV 120......Thanks. My experience was it felt like a 120 flex at the ski shop but skiing was a totally surprise how soft it felt! I played with the elastomers and almost no option, I had to stay with the grey ones. The black elastomers made the boot so soft....the softer boots that I ever skied before. I'm a very ski boot type of guy orientated and love to feel my ski boots and how they perform.
I though that it was a good thing the boot fit well because I thought the same thing about the flex. Felt soft. I don't mind flexible boots because I have very rigid ankles, but I did notice a bit of a lack of precision vs. the 130, and some other 120 flex boots.
Thank you for replying back. Yes, I felt the same, even with the grey elastomers still felt softer than my Salomon alpha120....@@SkiEssentials
"Don't create a problem to solve when there isnt a problem"
Great advice, and rare on YT where you mostly get people saying "Why you NEED x,y,z", strangely even when they're not selling x,y or z 🤷
Appreciate the feedback!
You started talking about cuff alignment, then went over to the rubber thingies... did I miss out on whether cuff alignment can be done? Critical for me and the dual pivot leaves some question marks regarding this. On the close up it looked like some adjustment can be done, but follow up question is then - how much compared to RX and RS models😅.
Since you know the sales rep so well can you also ask him about Lange canting plates - what he recommends and where to get them😊.
A lot of investigation and time finding this out before buying a boot. Happy for your input😍
Cuff alignment on the outside. Similar to what we have on RS and RX models.
I can see how loosening up the feel of the Shadow was needed to make it feel more like a speed machine. I tried a speed machine 130 for a fun boot for part a season and it was so different from my RS or RX I couldn't stand it. The speedmachine heel hold was as about as tight as a bathtub and the response to tongue pressure was lethargic at best. It handled like a 1986 chevy celebrity wagon when I was used to a mini cooper.
Love the mini Cooper reference great car
Thanks for the review, Bob and Jeff! As an RS 130 skier for most of the past decade (but due for new boots), I'm curious to know if Bob went back to his RSs or switched over. :-)
I still reach for the RS--more of a weight thing for me--the Shadow is great, but feels a bit light and is not as progressive of a flex compared to the more traditional RS.
Hello, thanks for the review!
What will you chose between a Mach1, Speedmachine(I know Jeff is a big fan of them) or Shadow? Which one is more comfortable for a long day, which one is more fun and which one is more responsive?
And do you see any differences between speedmachine 130 and speedmachine 130S? Really can t decide which boot should i buy :(
We cannot comment on fit as we are all different. We have found the new Shadow to be very high in the responsiveness department, though, and it just makes skiing easier.
Thanks for another great review! I bought the 130 Shadows from a local bootfitter, but before I use them, wanted to double-check I understood Bob and Jeff's experience correctly: it seems optimized for moderate conditions, but do these still perform at a high level with more aggressive/expert skiing like GS turns and steeps? Also, for park, did the ultra-responsive design make take-offs and landings hooky at all?
No issues with high end steeps and speed. Jeff put in the softer pieces for better park performance and seems to do just fine in the air and on the rails.
I have been skiing these in a medium volume this year. I immediately liked the fit in the store. They have performed very well. The toe box is generous. I have added a higher arched sole. My only complaint is my inside ankles started killing me after my 2nd or third day skiing. It's probably my pointy ankles, but thought the softer liner may be playing a roll too.
It's not the densest liner, so I do think there's something there in addition to pointy ankles. A boot fitter should be able to pad the ankle area on the liner to give you some more support.
Could a boot fitter modify the shell in the ankle? Such as punch it out.
@@map4ca yeah, I have been working with my local shop.
@@map4ca Yes ankle punches are quite common, even in these boots that have a bit different of a build/geometry.
I'm currently trying to decide between the shadow 120 lv and the hawx ultra 120. They both fit very well after the initial try on I did. if you have any experience with the atomics, how different do you think they would feel in terms of flex/performance and also in terms of more off-piste/tree skiing? thanks!
The Shadow is easier to get to the performance band, and that's a huge benefit for a lot of skiers, especially those that find themselves off piste or in the bumps and trees--the boots are very responsive. The Atomic is great, but lacks the new tech that makes the Shadow stand out.
Hey guys great and informative review. Trying to decide on an upgrade from my Atomic Hawx Ultra 120s. I've been in Ultras for 3 seasons but I'm looking to venture out to a different fit. I'm unable to try on before buying, but curious about your opinion of how this boot, and also the Tecnica Mach1, would compare in forefoot width, and ease of getting on/off. The Atomics are nightmares getting in and out of. Fit of the Atomics is right on the edge of being just right in a snugness, and bordering discomfort/numbness. Bought the Prime XTD 130 to replace them but they almost feel too roomy in comparison. Definitely intrigued by these Shadow and the Tecnica and you've done good reviews of both. Should I stick with a low volume or go with MV? Thoughts? Thank you!
This Shadow is pretty easy to get on and off in my experience. The LV in the Shadow feels a bit more roomy than that of the Mach1 in instep height and the liner is more amenable while the Tecnica's liner is a bit stiff/thick.
@@SkiEssentials Got my hands on these finally. Hard to find!! They are PERFECT out of the box. At the 130 flex, would be nice to see that buckle style system rather than velcro on the power strap but for comfort and in/out ease, I'm never going back to Atomic again. Can't wait to get them on the slopes once the snow starts sticking out here in coastal BC!
@@bretts7037 I also found them super easy to get in and out of -- the instep is really high -- but note that this is compared to my Fishers, which have caused me to audibly curse and groan trying to take them off at the end of the day.
Chose between these and the Salomon 120 Boa. Took the Salomon and will have a good look at these in the next years for v3. Have a high instep and because the shell is not moldable went with Salomon.
Hope it works!
Hello there, could you tell me a little bit more about your experience with your Salomon 120 Boa? I am on my sixth year with my Tecnica Mach1 110 and am ready for a new pair of boots with more stiffness and performance. I am a mondo 265 and have heard skiers with the Salomon 120/130 Boa able to go down a full size because the generously sized medium volume toe box. What’s the heel hold of the Salomon like? Thanks in advance.
Hi quick question. For a full mountain ski that is playful and can dabble in the park but is good on the groomed trails would you recommend the oblivion 94 or the m menace 90.
The Oblivion is a more complete ski than the Menace 90. I'd lean that route.
I ve got the same boots but on 120 flex LV. Yes a different feel. I decided to play around with the flex options and the 120 with the black replacement got very very soft, I'm 5'9" and 187 Lbs, advanced type of skier and more off piste. Super easy entry boots, I'm not to sure about the LV, after a week started to feel more roomier that what I like. Interesting boots. I m getting the 130 flex.....Let see how it goes. The 120 feels like a general consumer type of ski boots. Great review guys! I skied 48 days in this boots.Only complaint, this boots come with NO POWER or booster strap! Lange why keep going with velcro at the $850 range!
Hey Random question but i have the same boot as you. I lost my elastomers and haven't had any luck getting new ones. Could I possibly buy the black replacement from you if you don't use it?
Sorry, I wished can help you but I'm selling the LV 120 and I have to sell them with the elastomers package supplied by Lange.@@talbottpalmer4651
Awesome thank you.
What is the narrowest boot on the market you think?
Flex 100 to 130, it's less of priority.
Let's say we compare this one to the technica mach 1 LV for instance.
Or others like K2 recon LV but I don't care about the brand actually.
There are some plug/race boots that come in softer flexes like a 110 that start out around 92 mm in the last. Those aren't really available or "on the wall" at a boot shop, though--more of a special order item. For retail purposes, I think the Atomic Hawx Ultra boots fit pretty darn tight, as do the Nordica Pro Machine. The Tecnica is right there, but the Recon feels a bit roomier in the heel.
Been skiing cabrio for the last 25 years, hard to imagine ever going back to overlap but this boot has me interested. How’s it compare to a cabrio? Can you guys review the new Krypton?
One of our co-workers has been a Krypton skier for years and years--he made the move to the Shadow this year and couldn't be happier. The fit is more like a four-buckle boot, but you get the same direct and instantaneous flex/response as the cabrio. We'll try to get our feet into the Krypton for a review, but boot reviews are harder to come by than ski reviews.
Thank you for the boot review and I do think you guys should include more if your schedule permits.
Ski Boots.... UGH! Peoples feet are so different and their skiing style/form means some comfort boots are just fine while others want a stiffer more direct power transfer for immediate response, yet the fit means unbuckling the boot after every. I personally loathe buying new boots. Probably should take up snowboarding.
I have snowboard boot envy. They look sooooo comfy.
And here we are clunking around in plastic vices.
But the reward is tremendous.
Thanks for the feedback, and I'm sure many skiers share your experience. We love doing boot reviews, and hope it comes across that these experiences are specific to us--it's very different than skis.
Struck me how true this is yesterday when a bunch of really excellent skiers -- race coaches and all mountain -- (plus me, haha) were talking about forward lean and a number of us were saying you want a really upright boot and this other guy was like "I want as much fwd lean as I can get" -- and it's not like that last guy was wrong! His body / style are just *different*.
Jeff I’m curious in what conditions you felt you were over flexing it. I had got fitted for a pair but off piste I constantly feel I am over flexing it. on piste is fine
It seems like it's more the mixing of conditions, so going from softer snow to firmer snow within a turn. I think the lighter weight has something to do with it and the fact that these boots focus more on precision than power. Heavier and more powerful boots will move through transitioning snow conditions easier than these might.
@SkiEssentials Yeah, I think the a subtly here is that with a "heavier boot" you can bomb through things; like you can get thrown around and because you need to work harder to change forward pressure, you don't get the immediate feed back in the same way -- which is counter-intuitive -- but think like a damper in a car suspension. Especially since on a traditional boot, it's plastic deforming, not a hinge action.With these, you can't rely on just flexing more. So Andrew it felt like you were over flexing them because you were, hahah. In my two day experience with these you do have to ease up quite a bit and def if you stand on them -- as we have to with other boots when you jump into crud out of a groomer -- you are going to get tossed around a lot more. My experience with these is that they turn much more quickly and easily in funky snow conditions. IOW, it may not be that there is more of a transition with these boots, it may instead be that you have been jumping on your current boots *more* to get them to turn like _now_ in the trees the deep stuff without realizing it and you just need to ease up. :)
As a devoted RX skier, I’m intrigued. I’ve been skeptical of the Shadow….but now I kinda look forward to the day I wear my two pairs of RXs out so that I can try this update.
Question tho….im pushing 60 and am a total speed freak, will these boots be lost on me with my needs for speed? (Although I may need to start slowing down soon)
Oh, and thanx for all the great info you guys provide! It’s much appreciated. I look forward to each new vid.
I have both the RX130 from last year and the Shadow130 this year…..I have 8 days on the Shadow. I put Zipfits in the Shadow and it is amazing. I think the Shadow liner is a little “too comfortable” if that makes sense. Although the Zipfit liners change the dynamics of a boot tremendously. By the way, I’m 51 just for an age reference and I like to totally rip! Speed on long skis is my bag!!!😂
@@twomedicine Could you talk more about how you feel the zip fit changes the boot? I'm in Zip fits too btw but in the RX.
@@calleXI feel like it made the boot really precise. My first impression of the boot was great but I almost immediately questioned the liner. I skied the stock liner 4 days then put my Zipfit in and have now had 4 days with that setup. As I’m sure your aware there is nothing like a Zipfit liner. I feel like my edge control is better and as the review mentioned twitchy….maybe, but I’m thinking of it as very responsive and, again, precise. I don’t see that much difference from my RX really. One thing to note is the BSL went down 3mm from the RX.
I've been a RX LV and RS skier for the last decade, I have three days on my Shadow LV's and will never need to put the RX or the RS back on my foot again. The shadow is far and away a better boot. I was getting so much power out of it my first couple runs I had to dial back my inputs because I was immediately overturning. It absolutely lives up to the hype.
The same thing happened to me with the GW vs Alpine soles.
I’ve gone back and forth from grey to black inserts, and while the grey felt twitchy at beginning, when I got used to it now it doesn’t twitch and I like the grey more black inserts … Grey a little stiffer initially flex and grey lower holds an edge better
thanks for sharing!
Bob do you prefer the rs 130 over the shadow 130? I’m asking you as I feel my skiing is more like you.
I'm still on the fence. The Shadow fit a whole lot better right out of the box as the liner of the RS is pretty stiff and aggressive. I feel that the RS fits my style a bit better than the Shadow, although I have no ill feelings towards that boot at all. I need to spend some more time in the Shadow to make a final decision.
My foot measurements are 285 mm / 100 mm. You mentioned that the LV shoe is wider than usually. The shoe width information regularly refers to MP 26.5. Since I can't test them anywhere, what width would you recommend. LV or MV?
the consensus so far is that this feels like a roomier LV than some other Lange boots, so I'd feel pretty confident about going that route. You can always stretch the shell if it becomes an issue.
Many thanks - you guys do a really fantastic job 👍
I think I read somewhere that they are planning to shrink the toebox (for the MV?) next year because so many people (me included) have felt that it is *too* roomy?
what's the best ski for resort laps at night? I really think we need the ripstick 88k black for this.
I've been saying that for years!
Hey guys, could you please compare this to the Speed machine 130/120 and Mach 1. I am in the Mach 1 120 now, think it's almost time for a new boot foot is starting to move/hurt after 4 seasons.
These are very comparable boots if in the same volume. I find the Nordica to fit the tightest and the Tecnica to fit a bit tighter than the Shadow. The Shadow skis more different with the new pivoting tech, so that's worth a look for sure.
The last version of the RX 130 was the best boot I ever skied (even better than the QST 130), and now it’s discontinued. It’s frustrating to see another ski product go from perfection to non existence.
Other than the liner, the RS 130 is the same shell as RX 130 (in the same volume), but I agree, it's tough to see the favorites move on.
Then I’ll have to stash some RS 130’s. My understanding is that the RS will be phased out as well. Ski Essentials’ 28.5 RS 130 sold out, so I will try to find a “new old stock” pair, or even a used pair.
@@dick91p The RS gets an update for 2025, it's not going away.
Good to know; thank you!
I know you guys don’t delete comments, and this has happened to me often everywhere on UA-cam, but half of my posted comments have disappeared. So, again, Thank you, Bob, for the heads up.
As a boot driver I don’t see the point in skiing less aggressively to accommodate an autopilot function.
Then I'd say it's totally acceptable that there are still better options out there for you! I feel the same way, and enjoy skiing my Lange RS 130's and Kastle K130P's in order to access the front of the boot.
Thanks for suggesting those other two boots Bob. I don’t know anything about the Kastle K130P, so I’ll look up your written article on the website. Thanks.