Hello Mr Peterson, I came to your Perth event on the Tuesday, and had a meet and greet oppurtunity. i handed you a note thanking you. I'll never know if you read it, but I'm hoping you did. Thanks for everything Sir.
About 50% marriages end in divorce. Over 60% of divorces are instigated by women. Men almost always lose in divorce courts and he still wants to harange men into getting married. This is madness. It's frustrating because Jordan Peterson is right about so many things. I agree about the familly being a cornerstone for a decent society. It is familly law that is destroying that, not feckless men.
Absolutely. JP has an enormous blind spot to this, and one has to wonder if this is by design. It's almost like his job is to prevent men (and whites, but that's another conversation) from organizing politically.
@@SpykerSpeed what? If hes trying to stop men from organizing, hes doing one hell of a bad job of it lolol. I havent felt as unified with my fellow man until i met JP
@@SpykerSpeed I also vehemently disagree with Dr. Peterson on many things. It's comical that you insinuate what you do because he has been accused of doing the opposite.
I'm lucky. I've been with my girl for 15 yrs. We started a family she's my best friend, we never got married and both of our parents are dead. We'll raise our children enjoy every moment we can together till death Do us part.
Talked my son into getting married after 10 year relationship w/ his Common Law wife. You're missing out on a lot of financial breaks by not being legally married.
I was married at 22 and 42 years and 4 kids later I agree that marriage and family are the greatest thing in my life after my faith. My wife and I were only discussing that today after talking to a very lonely and somewhat bitter man in his 50's at a church event. I'm not saying it's only possible to be content if you are married, that's clearly not true. But, for most people it is in my view the best choice and one that like anything of value requires constant work to maintain. I think the issue today is our unwillingness to say these things for concern of upsetting 'some people', but its time for those like JP and others who believe this to stick our heads above the parapet and say this loudly.
The problem is it’s socially acceptable for the wife to go out and two vodka shots with Dave and you’re not allowed to say I’m not comfortable with you “going on girls night out”. 50% of marriages end in divorce leading to the man being financially crippled.
Hey, I read that you were 21/22 when you got married. I say that because in another comment you stated that you were 21. I would just like to know how did you know that you were ready for marriage at that age? I'm 21 now and I'm considering marriage, I just don't know if I'm ready or when I'll be ready. Were you financially stable? Were you strong in your faith? Were you studying/working at the time of getting married?
Great video, I was in a beautiful marriage before my now ex wife left me,i still love her and most times i can't stop thinking about her, i am doing my very best to get rid of the thought of her, but i just can't, i love her so much, i don't know what i am bringing this here for, i can't stop thinking about her. ~
it's always difficult to let go of someone you love, i was in a similar situation my wife for 12 years left me, i couldn't just let her go i did all i could to get her back, i had to seek the help of a spiritual adviser who helped me bring her back.
It is true, there is a hierarchy of social interaction, and I think this is what the Gen Z has underestimated. I myself have some sympathy on the ignorance of Gen Z on the traditional ways of living. They tried to pursue and create a new form of creating social life, but it appears to me, the more they create a new form of social life, the more sorrow they encounter. This "sorrow" is new, since the feeling they have for the newly forged social life is also "new".
I got nothing but love for JP, but I think the Financial Contract of marriage, in the current Western Society, is a bad, bad, deal for men. I don't think there's any reason to risk getting your foundation rocked because the system successfully talked your spouse into breaking that contract and taking a good amount of your stuff as a severance pay. Now if you can shack up without the system getting involved in your financials or the laws change? More power to the both of you.
@EarthatWork I agree with this. The problem is that 50% of the time, these "good women" turn out to not be so good. And 70-80% of that stat, ends up with men ending up worse off then when they were single. So....if you can avoid the system, go for it! Settle down and get your happily ever after on. If you can't...best to not get involved. At least until the laws change.
@MidasTheStallion Get a solid prenup that carefully lays out the terms of the potential end of relationship scenario, as for example you each get to keep what you earned and nothing more, and the person who cheats loses it all. Make infidelity and divorce very unattractive options with bad consequences for both parties.
I wish my son would practice what you are saying. He listens but doesnt do it. He loves your episode on drywallers because that's what he does. Jordan, you would be the one who could reach him. He is in a bad way and wont reach out for help. Thank you for your insight
If it’s so obvious that humans have intrinsic value as individuals endowed by their creator why did (and does) slavery persist for the majority of human history?
When I’m 30 I will have spent half my life with my now husband. Without Aaron my life doesn’t mean anything. He’s the foundation of everything I am and has made me a better person.
@SpykerSpeed that why you get one from church. You don't get that from there. Just look at the history of early 1900. Majority go to church at the time, low divorce,suicide, crime, volunteer Soldier in World War I and two, etc
@SpykerSpeed that depend what church you go to I had no problem with all the one I been too. Really is about the finding one that value biblical teaching. Definitely alots less now but make sure to fish in the right pond my guy
Men gain nothing from marriage. Marriage is a "contract" that can be broken at any time by either party (statistically the wife - I notice Peterson never gives advice to women) but it is always the man who gets the dirty end of the stick. His assets are divided between him and his wife, even if she didn't pay for them, the wife is almost always given custody of the children (thanks to the "tender years" doctrine) and the ex husband is forced to pay child support or he goes to jail.
Hence why he tells everyone that people should return to the Judeo-Christian values that our society has abandoned. One of those values is that once you're married, both men and women should go into it with the mindset that there's no quitting the team, I would suggest barring some circumstances like horrible abuse or infidelity. If people went in with the mindset that they aren't allowed to just leave once things get tough, then they'd actually fight hard alongside their partner to fix the issues instead of just abandoning their marriage. That being said, yes, divorce court is incredibly biased against the husband, and things need to be fixed, because most people still won't return to the Old Values, and divorces will still happen. Other than removing the bias in divorce court, the only thing left for men to do to safeguard against such things is to make sure he marries a woman who upholds the same values that he does.
@@matthewsmith5967 Yeah...my brother was in a "quiver full" christian marriage. She got the 7 year itch like any other and took him to the cleaners. There's no reason for a man to enter into this contract, even if the woman claims to have "Judeo-christian values". The deal itself is bad. The incentive structure is upside down. A woman is more motivated to make things work if you're NOT married.
Mine was a self proclaimed "Christian" as well. Heartless. Snakes shed when needed. Find "Hammerhand" here on UA-cam for a reality check men. Until no fault divorce court is fixed... STAY AWAY.
I absolutely agree with peterson when he makes theses point. BUT as a 25 year old man taking on the responsibilities he often talks about (e.i. my relationship with my parents, a career, good friends, my health, making myself marriagable first etc) I think he fails to see just how sour the dating market is currently. this is easy for him to say maybe bc he found a mate decades before the tinder and the "boss independent bitch" Era. I don't think he can even fathom the degree how corrupted most women are. ik ik we men have big problems too but I can fix a lot of my problem. I can't fix women's problems. it's rare to find a good women now and pushing a message of marriage while marriage a bad deal for the 21st century good men is like advocating for skydiving when %50-%90 of skydivers parachutes don't open
Yes, and a big reason that the right is fragmented. The conservative, religious right doesn't really know how to talk to people who vote for Trump and DeSantis but aren't religious. They act like there's a plethora of self-aware women waiting for good men to scoop them up. If that was true, guys like Kevin Samuels wouldn't have soared to popularity by bluntly stating what we all see. The advice given here is aspirational but you have to be lucky enough to find a good woman. I found one that happily contributes to household finances, stays in shape, and is grateful for everything I do. I could meet 10,000 more women after her and not find another one like her.
A lot of the women in this day & age are not marriage material. We are living in the Last Days, friend. In the coming Kingdom of God, there will be no giving or receiving in marriage, anyway. Look up to your redemption, not down here for an Earthly wife. If she appears, so be it, but not everybody is ordained to marriage. However, we are all ordained to repentance and belief in the Holy One, Christ Jesus.
What is 'in the image of God'? What is 'the image of God'? Peharps Dr Peterson, there could be a discussion on that? I've pondered it for many years and have some ideas, however how many of them are sound or founded, I don't know? Would love to hear some ideas. And wish I could share some.
Entering into a legal contract, that the other party has an incentive to break, is a terrible idea; therefore men in the West should not marry in any form which has government involvement. Marry only outside a government context, preferably outside the West. Otherwise don't marry. I agree with the principles of this video but it all falls down for men because of the lopsided risks for men.
I think it's important to have a stable intimate partner that you can rely on, but I don't necessarily think it's crucial for everyone to get married. You can still share a deep, meaningful bond with someone without a legally binding contract. And I get that couples who are unmarried can leverage this as a justification to commit infidelity and whatnot, but I believe that speaks more about the person's character. A vow isn't going to ultimately affect someone who wants to cheat or abandon their kids.
I wonder if that is true. I am not married myself yet. But even if you are two good characters in a relationship without a vow, nothing about your good character hinders you from leaving the other person, as you are not violating any rule. The two good characters have to say: we are staying together no matter what. And what is that but a legal contract. You might as well wanna give it some weight.
Disappointing, I would really love to see Jordan meeting people who slightly disagree with him or put something new on the table, I can find myself engaged with these talks because they seem slightly insincere...
Honestly out of all of the things in life marriage is probably the lest important out of all of the needs in life after you take care of the basic needs in life. Mostly just because if you look at people like me that are Gen Z. Yes what they want is an adventure. But honestly you get that out from career, Church, and other things but like for real. Marriage is probably one of those things you should only pursue once your life is actually worth living and not a moment sooner. Plus also if you screw up your marriage and get divorced it's basically hell and probably 4x that once you put kids in the mix. Sorry to say but at least for marriage I would rather not risk it. You can have a good and fulfilling life without marriage. Not the other way around. I know some people who are solid in marriage that I deeply look up to but can't say it's for me when it looking past the Disney surface level of whats really in marriage and what it takes Jordan.
It could be that the societal tradition of monogamous commitment(and serious punishment for breaking vows) reduces the number of single parent homes, as well as frees the dating pool up by forcing 1:1 relationships. I mean at least for the kids. Our disapproval of marriage is only proof of our vain selfishness
How can you know marriage isn't important and is not for you having not experienced it? Don't be too quick to paint the world based on assumptions and secondhand observations, neither of which are akin to firsthand experience.
@@bennyvee22 Because I am around a ton of people in my church who are married for often at least a 10 years, but more like 20+ with one of them being my Apostle who is close to 40 years, and from all the wisdom they have shared. Its not for me. Plus not just them but also other public figures who I also admire who have been married for about as long, Myles Munroe, Dave Ramsey, similar figures like that. None of them really speak of it like Jordan does at all and even sometimes have just outright said "Don't get married" or similar like Myles Munroe. You don't always have to experience something to know if its not for you or if its needed. I don't need to touch my hands in a fire to know its hot my dude. Plus marriage isn't the type of thing you can just back out of if it doesn't work. You either in it, or not. And any middle ground leads to where problems that will have a large chance of ruining lives.
Ok we all get you salivate at the mouth on marriage, (now I don't know if you get paid to push this politically or you genuinely enjoy marriage..)but here's my two bobs worth. First of all there's a reason why Mary called Jesus her companion. I think people should look up the definitions of both words companion and marriage and see if they align / if you can actually have both (I believe they are different things). The other issue with marriage, at this stage of impending communism is this: My Nonna grew up under Mussolini dictatorship in Italy, she would always me this story, that I didn't understand at first - She said the military would go around to everyone's house that were registered as married, they would bust down doors and take all their Wedding rings / Silver wear cutlery etc, now evidently anyone married was on a government list, and this list could be used to ascertain whether these people had wealth in the forms of Jewellery (gold wedding rings) and generally Silver wear given as a marriage present - This was supposedly then used to make guns and ammunition. So, who's side are you on anyway, and why are you egging on so many people to further put themselves on governments lists when they're not even in Love? All seems like a bit of an illusionary façade. Anyway just my personal opinion, I'm just not so sure because....if you get to know your history...you will know your destiny.
The marriage of mind and body first! Then, the exposure of vibe culture, it’s effects on individual and in group mentality. After that, maybe some healing, and then we can MAYBE start thinking about marriage with them others. Remember: “It takes a big man to cry, but it takes an even bigger man to laugh at that man.” - Deep thoughts by Jack Handy 🤷♂️ (“Resistance is futile” - The Borg)
Remind us when these democracies started privileging human dignity? It was only after the breakdown of rigid hierarchies and separation of church and state. You can misrepresent history all you want but we have living examples that show the places that are the most Godly or rigidly hierarchical, happen to also be where human rights and dignity are lacking the most.
I’m glad to see people in happy relationships in this thread. You go to any you tube video on marriage and all you see are disillusioned people lambasting marriage and woman altogether. Those threads can make the future seem bleek and as if that’s reality.
Jordan fails to see or be bound by his own logic. Yes, the West is the only place where humans were ascribed fundamental dignity, i.e., from the belief in the "Imago Dei". This is strictly a Judeo/Christian concept and commitment. It does not come from anywhere else. It does not come from any other religion or an evolutionary process. Otherwise, it would be common throughout human history. Jordan seems to advocate returning to some form of Civil Religion to combat Nihilism that took out Europe in the 20 Century. Good as far as it goes. However, nothing will save the West but a wholesale repentance and return to its Judeo/Christian roots, aka Revival and those only come from God Himself. II Chronicle 7:14
hahahha! not my ex you don't want her. Still better than my cousin who is now paying like 3000 in child support. I get where Jordan Peterson's head is at, but he is like a child, heady and spacious, but lacks tact and common sense from time to time.
Bro you gloat on how bad your ex was but you're the idiot who took interest in her. You really don't want any responsibility. You people love yo male it a case of innocence vs evil when relationships fail and its so childish. You're ex being bad isn't a good image for you.
Hello Mr Peterson, I came to your Perth event on the Tuesday, and had a meet and greet oppurtunity. i handed you a note thanking you. I'll never know if you read it, but I'm hoping you did.
Thanks for everything Sir.
Most modern women don't have a clue about this "balance" either.
That's probably true, but I think it's just as true to say most modern *people* don't have a clue about it.
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About 50% marriages end in divorce. Over 60% of divorces are instigated by women. Men almost always lose in divorce courts and he still wants to harange men into getting married.
This is madness.
It's frustrating because Jordan Peterson is right about so many things.
I agree about the familly being a cornerstone for a decent society. It is familly law that is destroying that, not feckless men.
Is actually 80% are initiated by women
Absolutely. JP has an enormous blind spot to this, and one has to wonder if this is by design. It's almost like his job is to prevent men (and whites, but that's another conversation) from organizing politically.
@@SpykerSpeed what? If hes trying to stop men from organizing, hes doing one hell of a bad job of it lolol. I havent felt as unified with my fellow man until i met JP
@@SpykerSpeed It's almost like he is a shepherd sending the blind to clean their rooms and support church over state.
@@SpykerSpeed I also vehemently disagree with Dr. Peterson on many things. It's comical that you insinuate what you do because he has been accused of doing the opposite.
I'm lucky. I've been with my girl for 15 yrs. We started a family she's my best friend, we never got married and both of our parents are dead. We'll raise our children enjoy every moment we can together till death Do us part.
If I may ask, what's stopping you guys from getting married?
@@CarlosGomez-gj5tg There's no point in wasting our money on a pointless wedding.
@@brownmut5518 if other people pay for that would you marry?
@@brownmut5518 WHat about just signing the papers and dispense with the party itself? Plenty of legal reasons to make it formal
Talked my son into getting married after 10 year relationship w/ his Common Law wife. You're missing out on a lot of financial breaks by not being legally married.
I knew I wanted to marry a man who was intelligent so we could find the wisdom to deal with life’s challenges.
I was married at 22 and 42 years and 4 kids later I agree that marriage and family are the greatest thing in my life after my faith. My wife and I were only discussing that today after talking to a very lonely and somewhat bitter man in his 50's at a church event. I'm not saying it's only possible to be content if you are married, that's clearly not true. But, for most people it is in my view the best choice and one that like anything of value requires constant work to maintain. I think the issue today is our unwillingness to say these things for concern of upsetting 'some people', but its time for those like JP and others who believe this to stick our heads above the parapet and say this loudly.
The problem is it’s socially acceptable for the wife to go out and two vodka shots with Dave and you’re not allowed to say I’m not comfortable with you “going on girls night out”. 50% of marriages end in divorce leading to the man being financially crippled.
Hey, I read that you were 21/22 when you got married. I say that because in another comment you stated that you were 21. I would just like to know how did you know that you were ready for marriage at that age? I'm 21 now and I'm considering marriage, I just don't know if I'm ready or when I'll be ready. Were you financially stable? Were you strong in your faith? Were you studying/working at the time of getting married?
who needs privacy when u can just summon beelzebub, roflcopter
Great video, I was in a beautiful marriage before my now ex wife left me,i still love her and most times i can't stop thinking about her, i am doing my very best to get rid of the thought of her, but i just can't, i love her so much, i don't know what i am bringing this here for, i can't stop thinking about her. ~
it's always difficult to let go of someone you love, i was in a similar situation my wife for 12 years left me, i couldn't just let her go i did all i could to get her back, i had to seek the help of a spiritual adviser who helped me bring her back.
@@bartholetbay412 wow, how did you get a spiritual adviser, and how do i reach her?
@@bartholetbay412 Thank you for this valuable information, i just looked her up now online. impressive.
It is true, there is a hierarchy of social interaction, and I think this is what the Gen Z has underestimated. I myself have some sympathy on the ignorance of Gen Z on the traditional ways of living. They tried to pursue and create a new form of creating social life, but it appears to me, the more they create a new form of social life, the more sorrow they encounter. This "sorrow" is new, since the feeling they have for the newly forged social life is also "new".
These conversations are very well produced and engaging. Great content 👍🏻
I got nothing but love for JP, but I think the Financial Contract of marriage, in the current Western Society, is a bad, bad, deal for men. I don't think there's any reason to risk getting your foundation rocked because the system successfully talked your spouse into breaking that contract and taking a good amount of your stuff as a severance pay. Now if you can shack up without the system getting involved in your financials or the laws change? More power to the both of you.
@EarthatWork I agree with this. The problem is that 50% of the time, these "good women" turn out to not be so good. And 70-80% of that stat, ends up with men ending up worse off then when they were single.
So....if you can avoid the system, go for it! Settle down and get your happily ever after on. If you can't...best to not get involved. At least until the laws change.
@MidasTheStallion Get a solid prenup that carefully lays out the terms of the potential end of relationship scenario, as for example you each get to keep what you earned and nothing more, and the person who cheats loses it all. Make infidelity and divorce very unattractive options with bad consequences for both parties.
just wait till you get divorced then ask me if getting married is good for you
especially when you need to pay 3K in child support per month.
I wish my son would practice what you are saying. He listens but doesnt do it. He loves your episode on drywallers because that's what he does. Jordan, you would be the one who could reach him. He is in a bad way and wont reach out for help. Thank you for your insight
If it’s so obvious that humans have intrinsic value as individuals endowed by their creator why did (and does) slavery persist for the majority of human history?
When I’m 30 I will have spent half my life with my now husband. Without Aaron my life doesn’t mean anything. He’s the foundation of everything I am and has made me a better person.
as long as we partake in saying words like genz we will always be divided
Thank you Dr. Peterson 👏
Look into the marriage stats. Thanks but no thanks.
go to church and find a woman that still value people and there worth
@@kingston1300 not worth the risk. Until divorce is fairer for men, there's no benefit to getting married.
@SpykerSpeed that why you get one from church. You don't get that from there. Just look at the history of early 1900. Majority go to church at the time, low divorce,suicide, crime, volunteer Soldier in World War I and two, etc
@@kingston1300 modern churches are woke. And if you're going to church specifically to find a wife, you're going to have a bad time.
@SpykerSpeed that depend what church you go to I had no problem with all the one I been too. Really is about the finding one that value biblical teaching. Definitely alots less now but make sure to fish in the right pond my guy
Men gain nothing from marriage. Marriage is a "contract" that can be broken at any time by either party (statistically the wife - I notice Peterson never gives advice to women) but it is always the man who gets the dirty end of the stick. His assets are divided between him and his wife, even if she didn't pay for them, the wife is almost always given custody of the children (thanks to the "tender years" doctrine) and the ex husband is forced to pay child support or he goes to jail.
Exactly
Hence why he tells everyone that people should return to the Judeo-Christian values that our society has abandoned. One of those values is that once you're married, both men and women should go into it with the mindset that there's no quitting the team, I would suggest barring some circumstances like horrible abuse or infidelity. If people went in with the mindset that they aren't allowed to just leave once things get tough, then they'd actually fight hard alongside their partner to fix the issues instead of just abandoning their marriage.
That being said, yes, divorce court is incredibly biased against the husband, and things need to be fixed, because most people still won't return to the Old Values, and divorces will still happen. Other than removing the bias in divorce court, the only thing left for men to do to safeguard against such things is to make sure he marries a woman who upholds the same values that he does.
@@matthewsmith5967 Shouldn't we wait until society returns to those values before getting married? It may never return to Christian values.
@@matthewsmith5967 Yeah...my brother was in a "quiver full" christian marriage. She got the 7 year itch like any other and took him to the cleaners. There's no reason for a man to enter into this contract, even if the woman claims to have "Judeo-christian values". The deal itself is bad. The incentive structure is upside down. A woman is more motivated to make things work if you're NOT married.
Mine was a self proclaimed "Christian" as well.
Heartless.
Snakes shed when needed.
Find "Hammerhand" here on UA-cam for a reality check men.
Until no fault divorce court is fixed...
STAY AWAY.
I absolutely agree with peterson when he makes theses point. BUT as a 25 year old man taking on the responsibilities he often talks about (e.i. my relationship with my parents, a career, good friends, my health, making myself marriagable first etc) I think he fails to see just how sour the dating market is currently. this is easy for him to say maybe bc he found a mate decades before the tinder and the "boss independent bitch" Era. I don't think he can even fathom the degree how corrupted most women are. ik ik we men have big problems too but I can fix a lot of my problem. I can't fix women's problems. it's rare to find a good women now and pushing a message of marriage while marriage a bad deal for the 21st century good men is like advocating for skydiving when %50-%90 of skydivers parachutes don't open
Yes, and a big reason that the right is fragmented. The conservative, religious right doesn't really know how to talk to people who vote for Trump and DeSantis but aren't religious. They act like there's a plethora of self-aware women waiting for good men to scoop them up. If that was true, guys like Kevin Samuels wouldn't have soared to popularity by bluntly stating what we all see. The advice given here is aspirational but you have to be lucky enough to find a good woman. I found one that happily contributes to household finances, stays in shape, and is grateful for everything I do. I could meet 10,000 more women after her and not find another one like her.
❤well said
What you dont get is that marriage hasnt changed.
Its the Women that have changed.
And we dont like what theyve become, so were opting out.
my family is a wreck and i have no social life, hahaha. oh well.
We the young adults (27 years old) can't even get a girlfriend! For me it's just unimaginable to have a wife if I can't have a girlfriend.
Stop trying to be their friend. Start trying to be a husband.
A lot of the women in this day & age are not marriage material. We are living in the Last Days, friend. In the coming Kingdom of God, there will be no giving or receiving in marriage, anyway. Look up to your redemption, not down here for an Earthly wife. If she appears, so be it, but not everybody is ordained to marriage. However, we are all ordained to repentance and belief in the Holy One, Christ Jesus.
@@ChristAliveForevermore just as many men aren't marriage material. Humble yourself and lower your standards.
What is 'in the image of God'?
What is 'the image of God'?
Peharps Dr Peterson, there could be a discussion on that?
I've pondered it for many years and have some ideas, however how many of them are sound or founded, I don't know?
Would love to hear some ideas.
And wish I could share some.
Entering into a legal contract, that the other party has an incentive to break, is a terrible idea; therefore men in the West should not marry in any form which has government involvement. Marry only outside a government context, preferably outside the West. Otherwise don't marry. I agree with the principles of this video but it all falls down for men because of the lopsided risks for men.
Stay away from marriage as long as you can avoid sex and porn and masterbation.
Limp Bizkit summarized Gen X best.
Wasn't a listener.... how so?
@@chrisr7597 we don’t, don’t give a fk and, we won’t, ever give a fk un…til you…you give a fk about me, and my generation
The epitome of eloquence.
I think it's important to have a stable intimate partner that you can rely on, but I don't necessarily think it's crucial for everyone to get married. You can still share a deep, meaningful bond with someone without a legally binding contract. And I get that couples who are unmarried can leverage this as a justification to commit infidelity and whatnot, but I believe that speaks more about the person's character. A vow isn't going to ultimately affect someone who wants to cheat or abandon their kids.
This is why I believe government should stay out of marriage.
In Sweden, it's called being "sambo".
I wonder if that is true. I am not married myself yet. But even if you are two good characters in a relationship without a vow, nothing about your good character hinders you from leaving the other person, as you are not violating any rule.
The two good characters have to say: we are staying together no matter what. And what is that but a legal contract. You might as well wanna give it some weight.
They don't understand that it's not each others job to make them happy. Your happiness is your own responsibility.
Disappointing, I would really love to see Jordan meeting people who slightly disagree with him or put something new on the table, I can find myself engaged with these talks because they seem slightly insincere...
next up: what the boomers don't understand about global politics. lots to cover.
Johnson clearly had no intention to respond to what Peterson was saying; he merely waited to inject all of his personal views into the conversation.
Done hiding my identity the world will know the real me
Honestly out of all of the things in life marriage is probably the lest important out of all of the needs in life after you take care of the basic needs in life. Mostly just because if you look at people like me that are Gen Z. Yes what they want is an adventure. But honestly you get that out from career, Church, and other things but like for real. Marriage is probably one of those things you should only pursue once your life is actually worth living and not a moment sooner.
Plus also if you screw up your marriage and get divorced it's basically hell and probably 4x that once you put kids in the mix.
Sorry to say but at least for marriage I would rather not risk it. You can have a good and fulfilling life without marriage. Not the other way around. I know some people who are solid in marriage that I deeply look up to but can't say it's for me when it looking past the Disney surface level of whats really in marriage and what it takes Jordan.
It could be that the societal tradition of monogamous commitment(and serious punishment for breaking vows) reduces the number of single parent homes, as well as frees the dating pool up by forcing 1:1 relationships. I mean at least for the kids. Our disapproval of marriage is only proof of our vain selfishness
How can you know marriage isn't important and is not for you having not experienced it? Don't be too quick to paint the world based on assumptions and secondhand observations, neither of which are akin to firsthand experience.
@@bennyvee22 Because I am around a ton of people in my church who are married for often at least a 10 years, but more like 20+ with one of them being my Apostle who is close to 40 years, and from all the wisdom they have shared. Its not for me.
Plus not just them but also other public figures who I also admire who have been married for about as long, Myles Munroe, Dave Ramsey, similar figures like that. None of them really speak of it like Jordan does at all and even sometimes have just outright said "Don't get married" or similar like Myles Munroe.
You don't always have to experience something to know if its not for you or if its needed. I don't need to touch my hands in a fire to know its hot my dude. Plus marriage isn't the type of thing you can just back out of if it doesn't work. You either in it, or not. And any middle ground leads to where problems that will have a large chance of ruining lives.
@@CmoIsDaNam3i My point still remains. Nonetheless, best of luck.
@dylanedwards4040 Agreed. But also too keep in mind when I say marriage isn't all that. I'm also not voting for the wacky stuff out there either.
We need church and state back together who agrees and disagrees all feedback welcome here
Ok we all get you salivate at the mouth on marriage, (now I don't know if you get paid to push this politically or you genuinely enjoy marriage..)but here's my two bobs worth. First of all there's a reason why Mary called Jesus her companion. I think people should look up the definitions of both words companion and marriage and see if they align / if you can actually have both (I believe they are different things). The other issue with marriage, at this stage of impending communism is this: My Nonna grew up under Mussolini dictatorship in Italy, she would always me this story, that I didn't understand at first - She said the military would go around to everyone's house that were registered as married, they would bust down doors and take all their Wedding rings / Silver wear cutlery etc, now evidently anyone married was on a government list, and this list could be used to ascertain whether these people had wealth in the forms of Jewellery (gold wedding rings) and generally Silver wear given as a marriage present - This was supposedly then used to make guns and ammunition. So, who's side are you on anyway, and why are you egging on so many people to further put themselves on governments lists when they're not even in Love? All seems like a bit of an illusionary façade. Anyway just my personal opinion, I'm just not so sure because....if you get to know your history...you will know your destiny.
The marriage of mind and body first!
Then, the exposure of vibe culture, it’s effects on individual and in group mentality.
After that, maybe some healing, and then we can MAYBE start thinking about marriage with them others.
Remember:
“It takes a big man to cry, but it takes an even bigger man to laugh at that man.” - Deep thoughts by Jack Handy
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(“Resistance is futile” - The Borg)
They have the Borg hive mind.
Remind us when these democracies started privileging human dignity? It was only after the breakdown of rigid hierarchies and separation of church and state. You can misrepresent history all you want but we have living examples that show the places that are the most Godly or rigidly hierarchical, happen to also be where human rights and dignity are lacking the most.
when you leave GOD out of your life you are doomed,if you really believe in and trust in him you will be ok.
I'm putting out my real name on here Christopher Urich formally Silas Freeman
Using the word God means absolutely NOTHING!!!
Yeah it does...what are you on about?
Love vs power, we have that choice to make every moment.
unless full time psychopaths can have power over others under the guise of love :D
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Thank you my good Sir for helping me
I’m glad to see people in happy relationships in this thread. You go to any you tube video on marriage and all you see are disillusioned people lambasting marriage and woman altogether. Those threads can make the future seem bleek and as if that’s reality.
Love and Marrage, Jordan, its, extra-ordinary.
But, what its purpose transforms...
It's an institute you can't disparage
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Jordan fails to see or be bound by his own logic. Yes, the West is the only place where humans were ascribed fundamental dignity, i.e., from the belief in the "Imago Dei". This is strictly a Judeo/Christian concept and commitment. It does not come from anywhere else. It does not come from any other religion or an evolutionary process. Otherwise, it would be common throughout human history. Jordan seems to advocate returning to some form of Civil Religion to combat Nihilism that took out Europe in the 20 Century. Good as far as it goes. However, nothing will save the West but a wholesale repentance and return to its Judeo/Christian roots, aka Revival and those only come from God Himself. II Chronicle 7:14
what's wrong with living together without marriage ? no religious obligation. no legal bondage , no paper work .
Well...she won't have you over a barrel legally that way. Jesus wouldn't approve of that.
...and no commitment. Thanks, but no.
Jordan has stated elsewhere that people who cohabitate before marriage are more likely to get divorced.
@@proudatheist2042 correlation is not causation. It's probably because the ultra-religious don't cohabitate, throwing the numbers off.
Because when people ask "are you married" you can say yes instead of actually
Jordan makes a lot of sense. The religious drone not so much.
hahahha! not my ex you don't want her. Still better than my cousin who is now paying like 3000 in child support. I get where Jordan Peterson's head is at, but he is like a child, heady and spacious, but lacks tact and common sense from time to time.
Bro you gloat on how bad your ex was but you're the idiot who took interest in her. You really don't want any responsibility. You people love yo male it a case of innocence vs evil when relationships fail and its so childish. You're ex being bad isn't a good image for you.
Get married by the justice of the peace .
Boriiiiiiiing!
I cant believe i found this interview.
Just two utter manaics discussing things