honest question...why should I as a carrier lose money or barely break even coming back from California just because I might have made a good haul out to California? my goal isn't break even...it's to make enough money to have repair expenses covered, fuel expenses covered, all the other fees and fixed payments covered, and at the end of the month make enough money to support my family otherwise what's the point? why should a carrier only make a decent haul half the time?
I calculate all these expenses when sending quotes to shippers. So that way the truck driver is compensated for insurance, maintenance, gas, time spent covering and uncovering a open load. Every step you have to take I quote the shipper.
Just a wild guess but supply and demand? Also I don't think he meant that maliciously, he was just stating that a driver would rather make some money rather than no money if the truck is not moving or moving empty, which is worse because at that point its blowing money rather than making it.
I agree with Gonzalez. Yes always go for the big money but I want to make money both ways not just one way. So you may find a sweet spot so your driver is getting paid on the way back instead of driving empty
If a driver takes a load that cheap and rob himself just to move someone's load for free is madness, how stupid do yall think we are.......This mess needs to change!!!!asap....
@@KC-hu9mb You do realize the driver has to make money going back home too? Fuel, maintenence, insurance, licensing, etc, etc. Any driver that took that is an idiot, anything under $3/mile(excluding you short trips) is a rip off. When drivers start falling like flies and then the brokers follow you will know why.
@@KC-hu9mb nobody is the problem we all have choices if u choose to take a load rated cheap shame on you but if I make a good run somewhere and I get a load covering my fuel both ways why wudnt I take it it’s common sense not rocket science I’m definitely getting the rate I want leaving home and possibly coming back
Holy shit I can't believe people are taking these loads and how thus man thinks. He doesn't have any conscious about helping the carrier but seams to want to put them out of business and please the shipper. If brokers understood how much it costs the carrier then they'd talk to the shipper and explain that No one can make money with rates like this.
Been in thus business for 12 plus years. I have my own authority and have 16 trucks leased on to me that i move . Luckily through the years i have established some steady lanes with shippers. Every now and again i dip into spot market rates and wonder how some carriers stay afloat. Dear carriers cut off the middle and focus on getting loads straight from the shippers. Their is no need for brokers in this businesses trust me i too was a broker at one point carriers can do the same thing they do minus the loss of money . The spot market rates are about to go down this is the time to wisen up and reach these shippers if we band together and take back our business eventually we can ELIMNATE brokers. Good luck yall.
I’m a carrier with 2 trucks and I reached out to a couple of shippers around my area and they need you to atleast have15 trucks to go direct with them. To stay afloat i rely on load-board because I can’t go direct as much as I would love to.
@@franksgump5 i have never seen that lol been doing this 15 years makes no sense that a broker whol gets his loads from the shipper can get you a better rate . Either you are a broker which makes sense or you are drunk sir lol
Shippers will just cut the rate if they know you are the driver. You will think you are getting a better rate. And plus what about all the calling you have to do. You also sign an agreement with the broker that you won't go behind his back to make deals with the shipper.
@@rq5304 lol you are hilarious but I agree with him man I’ve tried to get a load direct through a shipper that was cheaper than the broker, so that tell me the direct shipper was coached by the broker to deter me
gonna be honest here... im that sob driver that will dh out of a bad area.... just did it out of NE... dorchester ma... brokers didnt want to pay so i dead headed all the way to Ohio .... I saved my money through the good times so i will pick what i do... my rig is paid in full and my home is my rig... i will be damned if a broker will ever get over on me...
No such thing as a ''back haul''. I've deadheaded vs letting a broker make money off of my own equipment and my own risk to my life. Any carrier settling for ''backhaul rates" vs NORMAL rates is settling for leftovers. The rates are whatever I say they are. - Carrier
I completely agree! This is exactly why carriers need to realize their value and stop taking junk rates. This video was confirmation. Backhaul has been a term used to psychologically condition Carriers to take junk rates.
@@ji5657 // I took a load 500 miles for 2 grand and in the same yard where I dropped took that same load for guess what price? The same exact price right back to the same yard I left. The product had been refurbished... either way, there was no backhanded bs called a "backhaul" because for one: the broker had no idea where I lived lol. And two: I was not going to accept anything less than the same rate going back: Two grand. Best 48 hrs for my company, ever, so far and God willing I will beat it again.
@@IAmANaturalBeauty // I asked when he offered $1800. Told him he had a safe driver on site that was willing to go back to West Texas (where the load originated... I know the lane and no one likes hauling there). In that broker's mind he had a good problem and i was his solution. I was prepared to walk away salty. When I say carriers determine the rate, I mean it. That load won't move on a Prius :-).
Awesome..just got my first shipper...they'll be sending me the lanes they want me to cover tomorrow...this video AGAIN on time...and on point...thank you thank you thank you!
@@monicar5034 Thank you boo!!! Girl....persistence. There are many lists out here. TMS system companies may have one for you. Following up is the most important thing when making any kind of contact. Keep at it...
They way this guy is speaking is like he really know how much a truck tire cost and he know about the mountains you have to go threw to get to and from California this is wild that people really think the brokers are not making more money then some truckers in a week
Just dont spoil the market and pick up the phone when something goes wrong. Remember you are just a bridge between a thing that needs to be moved and those who move it
Great video, but in reality the owner operator ( truck driver, delivery guy) seem that is taking the majority of profit, but , NOT really.. because the owner operator pays for more expenses than a BROKER! Opinion: OWNER OPERATOR OR TRUCK DRIVERS need or supposed to make more profit. Thanks for all the info you gave us
Until I became a broker ... it wasn't until then when I realized either way, someone will pick it up regardless what trucker gets mad at. Someone out there will get it.
Until they realize they aren't making no money and than they quit for being stupid.......stop hauling cheap freight.....curse everyone that's a broker robbing people of a living in Jesus Christ holy name may you reap the same.....
@@ForeignboyAK they can do this, and they try but then they realize it takes a lot of work to get dedicated shipper and all that time that it takes to get customers they are not moving their truck.
I truly appreciate you sharing all to help us build 🙏. I have a strong question, can you share a video on how to get past the gate keeper to get to the traffic manager please share it's crazy the reception won't help give the information to speak to the person needed. Or show an actual practice call to get past the gate keeper
Call the sales department they give all kinds of info. Or look up the company find out the traffic managers name and then ask for him by name when you call
Previous load don’t matter for any load after that load. That is not a sound business plan. Also I like how you didn’t show the ca to nc load of cheese and it stayed blurred out
How are you ? I'm a new broker as I just left the corporate world for that reason alone Companies does not value their workers. I'm sharing that to say I'm personally looking forward to building my own network of carriers and shippers so everyone could feed our families.
The load from Sumter, SC to Monroe, NC is a flatbed load, the paperwork says that the trailer needs to sealed. How do you put a seal on a flatbed trailer. I put seals on my reefer on every load, explain to me how you seal a flatbed trailer.
That's the hardest thing to get used to you say you moved prayed you don't move anyting you shuffle papers for a 40% cut man that's more'n the IRS takes
The problem truckers have. An I started as one an own a couple an now I'm going to broker. The term "back haul" which is an excuse for a cheap rate going back.. the trucker got a good load coming in an now he gets a cheap one going back. Should always be point A to point B full rate like it used to. Now a driver gets screwed an doesn't make as much as they used to with this shipper an broker mentality. For example a flat bead load from Laredo TX to Odessa/ drill pipe. Used to be 3000.00 one way an back for 3000.00 if the driver wants to.. now it's I'll give you 2000.00 there. Owner op hardly makes a profit after fuel on that load. So now he gets told don't worry I'm giving you 1500.00 back! Now he has to run it in order to make being an owner op worth it compared to a company driver and he now makes less then what he used to. I plan on changing that in a small way
Perfect timing. Would you be able to do 26' box truck brokering? I want to start small doing San Antonio to Laredo to pick up and deliver to Midland/Odessa. Or possibly SA to Houston, Dallas/Ft Worth, Corpus Christi, Austin and back loaded both ways. Is this realistic? I know oilfield pays better because I did frac trucks back in '14.
Hello, thank you for the lecture it's really helpful. I want to know the percentage you charger for every load you move. I also would like to know who pays for your service is it the shipper or the carrier?
The reason why brokers are getting over on carriers is because some will allows take the load. The only why to stop brokers from taking so much off the top is to push congress to pass legislation where they cannot take more than 20-25 % of the load. That is the only way carriers will bring balance to this game.
Challenge for all these carriers and o/o is all the brokers nowadays cutting everyones and anyones throats. Hardly anyone these days seem to have integrity in terms of being honest and loyal. Especially in the trucking business youve got all the foreigners ruining shit for us hardworking americans
so my first question would be what were the dates of haul and what were the fuel prices at date of haul to understand the rate better if it was fair even though it is 93 miles
As a carrier, you are truly revealing exactly how you are ripping us off. For you to think that just because we got a good rate going to a area does not mean we want to make less to grab a back haul. As a small carrier it is not practical for me to have contracted freight, since I have to be able to have the trucks available in order to fulfill the obligation. If I have truck that doesn't mind doing a dedicated run, great, but most drivers get tired of that rather quickly.
my carrier friend, the broker is not ripping you off... the broker will contract 50-75-100 trucks going out of that shipper and assumes responsibility to move all that freight... as a small carrier, you see only your portion, but more often than not, that's just a drop in a bucket from what the broker has to deal with... once the broker gave you the rate-con (rate confirmation) he's moving to another carrier, trying to find other trucks, empty and ready in that area, available to pick up... by the time you picked up that load of yours (say for one truck), thinking the broker is ripping you off, the broker is struggling to cover the rest of 49 or 74 or 99 other trucks to do the same... in order to serve the shipper, who's paying us all... many carriers want to bypass the broker/s without truly understanding the role of the broker, like why pay the broker when I could do the load without the broker?? right?? kill the middle man, take his head off... right..??.. but the shipper doesn't need 1 truck or 5 trucks to move that load, the shipper needs 50-75-100 trucks to move that load... the broker will take it, with the entire responsibility and liability that comes with it, and will give you as much as you can carry, 1-3-5 trucks, based on how many trucks you got "empty and ready" in that area... but then he - the broker - is working to cover the rest, that you can't carry, but the shipper is expecting to be moved... I'm not sure if I've made myself clear enough, but the broker is not ripping you off... on the contrary, he's giving you work, loads, and with that money, that you couldn't otherwise get...I hope you can agree, the broker must make some money too, after all, no one is working for free... try to get out of that mindset, of that misconception that the broker is ripping you off...work with the broker, build trust over time, and you'll make more money than with no broker...
@@gabeghiby6935 That still doesn't justify that the carriers should take a cheap load just because we got a good paying load to a given area. Us carriers need to make a profit as well, and we try to work with the brokers but as I just had a broker that told us that a receiver won't pay detention until 3 hours, yet other drivers are getting detention after 2 hours. So who is being dishonest, the broker, the shipper or the other carrier who booked his load with the same broker? That's not ripping off carriers?
@@richardbryant7165 my friend, yes sometimes you have to accept a lower paying load just to get out of the area so you can be routed to an area that will give you better rates to go out of... and yes it's the price we all - and carriers and brokers - have to pay for getting good paying loads... you have to factor all in and the great pay to haul in one area with the shitty pay to get out of that area where you just delivered... and average it out... overall you'll still make money, not lose money... about detention pay... it's a little insignificant to bargain for 1-2 hrs paid at what?? $25-50/hr more or less when dealing with thousands of dollars for a load... Yes it is justified and the shipper as well as the broker as well as the carrier can reserve the right to negotiate their own terms, especially based on the seniority of the carrier, how long is in business, how is the safety record, the performance history and all that... so yes a carrier with good standing and older MC can get a better rate and detention pay after 2 hrs while another carrier with a younger MC and maybe not in great standing can get a rate that's not as great and detention pay after 3 hrs... You can't expect to be paid the same as one who is in business for over 5-10 years when you maybe are under 5 years just starting up...it takes time and trust to build a good relationship with the brokers and a good reputation so you can get those great terms, great rates great detention pay and so on... But if I may say in a very friendly way with that mindset that the broker is ripping you off you won't accomplish much in the long run... Regardless if you agree or not, if you accept it or not, the broker is and will always be a key component in the logistics and transportation chain... Once you fully comprehend that and learn to work with the brokers you'll have a smoother business relationship and with more benefits... especially once you manage to get over 25-50 trucks under your belt... better yet, when you reach that level or close to 100 trucks open your own brokerage agency and try to see how it goes... you'll be surprised to see what sacrifices you have to make - time, money, energy, ass kissing, babysitting, etc.- to get a shipper on board... Then you'll pick and choose your carriers and you'll pay them differently based on many aspects as I've mentioned above...
@@gabeghiby6935 So explain to me, my authority is 6 years old, perfect safety rating, excellent for on time and undamaged freight. Are the brokers not keeping track of quality service or don't they care about quality, just quantity?
@@richardbryant7165 yes, a serious respectable brokerage company will definitely care about this and monitor closely your performance history and safety score...if it's great to stellar as you described then you should definitely get better rates and terms than the newer guys just starting out or under 5 years in business...if you're constantly working with a broker for all this time...or a small number of brokers that know you and trust you... As a broker me and my team we show the rate confirmation openly and honestly to the carriers and collect 10% ...we don't even book a load without the carrier's - or owner operator - approval... but as it's common in our industry each shipper and as such each brokerage company has its own set of policies and procedures...and so each is different and works different with their partners... Obviously not all brokers do what we do or how we do it... and indeed it's a sensitive and controversial topic... we're open about it and it works fine for us and our partners too...
Typically you will not want to lowball the driver or yourself and you don’t want to gain a reputation on being a cheapskate. You can determine what others in the area are making per mile , how many trucks are in the area, with this info you will learn to gauge if asking for certain rates (negotiating) and what you as a broker will take is even an option. You can do this under some kid boards when your subscribe to them. There are portals where you plug in zips, truck/ trailer types etc.
Just because the tech is available, doesn't mean everyone understands how to use it or has any interest in learning. Quickbooks has been available for years. Anyone can literally follow a free tutorial and learn the system front to back, yet accountants and bookkeepers are still booming businesses.
Imagine how far from reality you are that last year diesel was above $5.00 and you only paid 0.23 cents in fuel surcharge, is this fair? well on your eyes Of course, but in our reality it is crazy. The problem is that you never take into consideration the current operational costs of the O/O.
I stay away from the west coast. Ive yet to come across a load from somewhere in the East coast to somewhere in the West Coast. Truthfully, I dont know how people are taking loads under $2/mile, much less $1.50 or lower as ive been seeing considering fuel takes up more than 1/3 of that. I on the other hand know my operating costs and have a minimum that I will move freight for and plan ahead to avoid going into areas that pay less than dirt.
Depends on the reason/s why the load was cancelled and why wasn't that openly communicated with the carrier before the driver started his trip to pickup... usually the broker will pay for the tonu and get reimbursed from the shipper if the reason/s for canceling involved the shipper as well... either way someone has to pay for the cancellation.. there are too many moving parts to just play around and cancel the load with no consequences...
This is something I don't stress about some reason shipper want to go through a broker very few will go through a busy only get to my freight. That way America is so great cause there opportunities for us true God's first people. You can do yard moves or warehouse to warehouse and get paid or go long get paid just remember your expense and taxes
Why don't you show the rate con of the load you booked with the trucking company? Then show the rate con you got from the shipper? I bet you would never do that.
Hi there. Thank you for making videos. Im currently studying to become a freight broker. Yet I'm concerned. I learned today that it can take up to 30 or more days for a shipper to pay us for a load to pay the driver. And so we need to have money on hand ourselves to pay drives advances on loads, especially as a new broker. There is no way I would have thousands of dollars on hand to pay drivers so they aren't waiting around for the shipper to pay out. Is there a previous video you made addressing this that you can point me to? Is this even necessary? How would I get around that not having money on hand to pay drives. Im confused.
I have learned that you would use factoring companies that usually charge 5% on the load for advancing the money to pay your brokerage and the trucker that moved your load.
'Factoring' == one more unneeded middleman taking a cut. But when you need tires for your rig, whadygondo? Maybe get that new card from Capital1... It's a necessary evil but they are still the scourge of the universe. They're even worse than a hotel room in Gary, IN. I think the only workable solution is to say up front that Carriers only get paid when YOU get paid, and then keep your word by disbursing funds as soon as you get them. The same day.
Love the videos you put out. I may not always agree with you on carrier pricing but I understand that we both have to make money. Do you have openings for a 24ft box truck running partials in the South?
I’m in this exact position,so today I met my first shipper. He needs loads to be moved but I don’t feel confident , I haven’t shipped any freight at the moment. I want to know can I put the load on the load board and wait for a driver to respond and sign him up as a carrier? Do I need a contract with the shipper? I’m not sure which way to go. Thanks
Yes you can post load on DAT Load Board. You have direct relationship with shipper so you are a broker. Post Load and click Search for Trucks on load board on area boss
damn those are some cheap rate... and ca to nc for reefer good lord you could have done it for free and still got $5k for that. last year that shit was going for over $10k ....
5:05 It's not a business here because the shipper and receiver will take a lifetime to load or unload and they won't want to pay detention, that's the problem, imagine yourself in a refrigerator paying that diesel from your pocket. Of course those are the small details that you do not like to see....
That’s not enough money to make 6 stops…basically the load paid $2.46 RPM & nothing for the extra stops….. 6 stops $4300 would have been more appropriate. $100 for each extra stop & that would actually depend on where the stops are located at & how far they are from each other!!!! We just did a load from Atlanta GA to Newark NJ & made $4600 one stop…($5.25 RPM) No way I’m taking anything less than $2 per mile…
@@melanieyancy6779 it's not enough for you and your company...it was obviously enough for the company we moved the load with...all loads don't work for every driver...
So question, out of the line haul rate is that just what you made or is that the total price you get from the shipper and you take a portion of that and post it for the carrier. I’m confused.
It's very cheap, but this broker is probably ok with making $200 of a single load for just making a call or replying to emails which can take less than 30 minutes from the comfort of his home thats for a single load
No disrespect my guy but I see you as not necessary. You shouldn't be getting any money it should be going to the truck driver the shippers should be able to put the load on an app and get beds from truck drivers it's us out here risking Our Lives paying these high fuel rates you provide no service whatsoever the government should pass a law at the very least making it transparent as to what you are getting paid so you don't have the ability to make the tippers pay the higher difference that we are supposed to be getting because of the higher fuel prices and pocket the difference which I'm sure you are doing
@@brandonthefreightbroker please educate me. Tell me how I'm wrong and what value you provide is that an app couldn't provide for a fraction of the cost? Do you disclose how much the shippers paying you to the truck drivers? I bet you don't your whole industry benefits on one side not knowing what the other side is doing
You talk about “selling service” but it sounds like what you actually do is chase rates to the bottom. The rates your showing that “YOU” make in the time frame and lanes, I was making $3.00 + Selling carriers on these cheap rates only gets you the broker the worst of the worst carriers that will ultimately lose you your shipper due to their ( the carrier ) bad service. You would be better served by creating a WIN, WIN, WIN. If the carrier isn’t winning… your milking a cow that’s going to dry up quick
these loads are very cheap I would charge double for these rates from wi to ga sc nc east coast I charge 6k 7500 to fl refrigerated and when were these loads seems cheaper then dirt you can get way better rate of the boards especially last year rate paid the highest I have ever seen
Circled back and watched this video back several times, great information as always for us who are new & trying to learn & understand lanes & rates, Thanks Brandon!
I wouldn't take that load coming from California for under a $1 a mile. The broker do that to get in with the shipper. But if I was the driver I would tell them to get me short runs out that would get me to a good load.
this broker could have easily gotten his driver 8k on ca to nc on reefer truck last year ... but your right doing it for free to get his name in there at expense of carrier bottom line... he could have deadhead back 2/3 of the way and made same money
I love how this guy is really trying to make everyone believe that $2.00+ a mile is what he gets paid. 👏
honest question...why should I as a carrier lose money or barely break even coming back from California just because I might have made a good haul out to California? my goal isn't break even...it's to make enough money to have repair expenses covered, fuel expenses covered, all the other fees and fixed payments covered, and at the end of the month make enough money to support my family otherwise what's the point? why should a carrier only make a decent haul half the time?
He's giving false info if u know the game
I calculate all these expenses when sending quotes to shippers. So that way the truck driver is compensated for insurance, maintenance, gas, time spent covering and uncovering a open load. Every step you have to take I quote the shipper.
Just a wild guess but supply and demand? Also I don't think he meant that maliciously, he was just stating that a driver would rather make some money rather than no money if the truck is not moving or moving empty, which is worse because at that point its blowing money rather than making it.
I agree with Gonzalez. Yes always go for the big money but I want to make money both ways not just one way. So you may find a sweet spot so your driver is getting paid on the way back instead of driving empty
@@GSQUARED34_ you can also tell because he blinked 1,300,987,432 times
If a driver takes a load that cheap and rob himself just to move someone's load for free is madness, how stupid do yall think we are.......This mess needs to change!!!!asap....
How is it free when the driver gotta go back home anyways
@@Truthbetold1990 wow, you’re the problem
The paysas and the hajibabas are the problem in trucking. They've destroyed the rates.
@@KC-hu9mb You do realize the driver has to make money going back home too? Fuel, maintenence, insurance, licensing, etc, etc. Any driver that took that is an idiot, anything under $3/mile(excluding you short trips) is a rip off. When drivers start falling like flies and then the brokers follow you will know why.
@@KC-hu9mb nobody is the problem we all have choices if u choose to take a load rated cheap shame on you but if I make a good run somewhere and I get a load covering my fuel both ways why wudnt I take it it’s common sense not rocket science I’m definitely getting the rate I want leaving home and possibly coming back
$2 per mile is from the 80's, this standard should not be relevant 40 years later. c'mon guys
Exactly right!!!
I'm tryna average $3 on our straight truck🤣. No way possible a company can survive on 2 bucks per mile.
$7.00 per hour wage lasted for 40 years also
We need legislation limiting the percentage brokers can take. This is the answer.
@@non-yajbusiness6503 this is definitely false 😂 but minimum wage definitely hasn't kept up with inflation by any stretch
Holy shit I can't believe people are taking these loads and how thus man thinks. He doesn't have any conscious about helping the carrier but seams to want to put them out of business and please the shipper. If brokers understood how much it costs the carrier then they'd talk to the shipper and explain that No one can make money with rates like this.
Exactly but Folk are always out for self’ It never for the better good of all!!!
@@AnthonyJohnson-lp3ez true true
Been in thus business for 12 plus years. I have my own authority and have 16 trucks leased on to me that i move . Luckily through the years i have established some steady lanes with shippers. Every now and again i dip into spot market rates and wonder how some carriers stay afloat. Dear carriers cut off the middle and focus on getting loads straight from the shippers. Their is no need for brokers in this businesses trust me i too was a broker at one point carriers can do the same thing they do minus the loss of money . The spot market rates are about to go down this is the time to wisen up and reach these shippers if we band together and take back our business eventually we can ELIMNATE brokers. Good luck yall.
I’m a carrier with 2 trucks and I reached out to a couple of shippers around my area and they need you to atleast have15 trucks to go direct with them.
To stay afloat i rely on load-board because I can’t go direct as much as I would love to.
@@franksgump5 We will agree to disagree then
@@franksgump5 i have never seen that lol been doing this 15 years makes no sense that a broker whol gets his loads from the shipper can get you a better rate . Either you are a broker which makes sense or you are drunk sir lol
Shippers will just cut the rate if they know you are the driver. You will think you are getting a better rate. And plus what about all the calling you have to do. You also sign an agreement with the broker that you won't go behind his back to make deals with the shipper.
@@rq5304 lol you are hilarious but I agree with him man I’ve tried to get a load direct through a shipper that was cheaper than the broker, so that tell me the direct shipper was coached by the broker to deter me
$2 a mi you can run it on 1 of your trucks fuels 5.36 rn that's. 76 mi for fuel u can keep it
I just got a load from California to South Dakota for a total of 1600 miles for $6,800. TODAY. DRY VAN.
gonna be honest here... im that sob driver that will dh out of a bad area.... just did it out of NE... dorchester ma... brokers didnt want to pay so i dead headed all the way to Ohio .... I saved my money through the good times so i will pick what i do... my rig is paid in full and my home is my rig... i will be damned if a broker will ever get over on me...
These monthly payment truckers are fucking up the game.
Givin a carrier a low rate on a back haul, isn't going to make them happy. Which is why I would always get my back haul, from a different broker
All these guys seen shipping wars on tv and wanted to be a truck driver. Yippee!
Your teaching is so helpful. Thank you!
thank you Laticia! glad you find value in the content! best wishes!!
thank you kindly sir, very informative. see you at the top
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Best explanation I have received so far. Thank you
Very much so needed. Keep paving the way bro....
my man! thank you brother! peace and prosperity!
No such thing as a ''back haul''. I've deadheaded vs letting a broker make money off of my own equipment and my own risk to my life. Any carrier settling for ''backhaul rates" vs NORMAL rates is settling for leftovers. The rates are whatever I say they are. - Carrier
I completely agree! This is exactly why carriers need to realize their value and stop taking junk rates. This video was confirmation. Backhaul has been a term used to psychologically condition Carriers to take junk rates.
@@ji5657 // absolutely 💯// pyschological (economic) warfare (competition). You get it!
@@ji5657 // I took a load 500 miles for 2 grand and in the same yard where I dropped took that same load for guess what price? The same exact price right back to the same yard I left. The product had been refurbished... either way, there was no backhanded bs called a "backhaul" because for one: the broker had no idea where I lived lol. And two: I was not going to accept anything less than the same rate going back: Two grand. Best 48 hrs for my company, ever, so far and God willing I will beat it again.
@@darkhorse2reign how did you negotiate $2K to go 500 miles both times!? That’s great.
@@IAmANaturalBeauty // I asked when he offered $1800. Told him he had a safe driver on site that was willing to go back to West Texas (where the load originated... I know the lane and no one likes hauling there). In that broker's mind he had a good problem and i was his solution. I was prepared to walk away salty. When I say carriers determine the rate, I mean it. That load won't move on a Prius :-).
Awesome..just got my first shipper...they'll be sending me the lanes they want me to cover tomorrow...this video AGAIN on time...and on point...thank you thank you thank you!
Awesome right back to you!! Big congrats on getting your first customer!
Congrats! How did you find your shipper?
@@monicar5034 Thank you boo!!! Girl....persistence. There are many lists out here. TMS system companies may have one for you. Following up is the most important thing when making any kind of contact. Keep at it...
@@831Tiffb Thanks 😊
@@monicar5034 anytime
They way this guy is speaking is like he really know how much a truck tire cost and he know about the mountains you have to go threw to get to and from California this is wild that people really think the brokers are not making more money then some truckers in a week
Thank you for sharing the video, thank you for your input trying to learn
cool arnold!! thank you for commenting!! hopefully I can provide some assistance!
Love the content keep it coming
Just dont spoil the market and pick up the phone when something goes wrong. Remember you are just a bridge between a thing that needs to be moved and those who move it
Thank you making it easier to understand
glad I can help!!
Great video, but in reality the owner operator ( truck driver, delivery guy) seem that is taking the majority of profit, but , NOT really.. because the owner operator pays for more expenses than a BROKER! Opinion: OWNER OPERATOR OR TRUCK DRIVERS need or supposed to make more profit. Thanks for all the info you gave us
You own a truck or just asking theoretical questions?
Until I became a broker ... it wasn't until then when I realized either way, someone will pick it up regardless what trucker gets mad at. Someone out there will get it.
no doubt😀😀
Until they realize they aren't making no money and than they quit for being stupid.......stop hauling cheap freight.....curse everyone that's a broker robbing people of a living in Jesus Christ holy name may you reap the same.....
@@brandonthefreightbroker if you think about it every carrier should have their own broker and skip the middle ma
@@ForeignboyAK they can do this, and they try but then they realize it takes a lot of work to get dedicated shipper and all that time that it takes to get customers they are not moving their truck.
@@juanrivera6207 wow that’s a helluva point
I truly appreciate you sharing all to help us build 🙏.
I have a strong question, can you share a video on how to get past the gate keeper to get to the traffic manager please share it's crazy the reception won't help give the information to speak to the person needed. Or show an actual practice call to get past the gate keeper
Yes, that’s the scary part, one person said start shipping cars, then get into freight broking, but I just want to start with what I want to do
Call the sales department they give all kinds of info. Or look up the company find out the traffic managers name and then ask for him by name when you call
Previous load don’t matter for any load after that load. That is not a sound business plan. Also I like how you didn’t show the ca to nc load of cheese and it stayed blurred out
Thanks. Another great video.
thank you Dee!
Great information thank you 😊
thank you Inderjeet!!
One thing I learn from this video as a carrier myself brokers do not value carriers none whatsoever!!!!!
How are you ? I'm a new broker as I just left the corporate world for that reason alone Companies does not value their workers. I'm sharing that to say I'm personally looking forward to building my own network of carriers and shippers so everyone could feed our families.
Facts
The load from Sumter, SC to Monroe, NC is a flatbed load, the paperwork says that the trailer needs to sealed. How do you put a seal on a flatbed trailer. I put seals on my reefer on every load, explain to me how you seal a flatbed trailer.
This was so realistic! Thank you for sharing!
Show the company paying those! That Carolina flatbed lane is hard cap!
"I'll see you at the top because the bottom is much too crowded" I love it!😀
Example Dry Van $2.16264559 + $0.29 on 1803 miles = $4350.00 minus Broker Tax/fee minus dispatcher Tax/fee= $1.20 LH for the carrier am I right. smh
That's the hardest thing to get used to you say you moved prayed you don't move anyting you shuffle papers for a 40% cut man that's more'n the IRS takes
The problem truckers have. An I started as one an own a couple an now I'm going to broker. The term "back haul" which is an excuse for a cheap rate going back.. the trucker got a good load coming in an now he gets a cheap one going back. Should always be point A to point B full rate like it used to. Now a driver gets screwed an doesn't make as much as they used to with this shipper an broker mentality. For example a flat bead load from Laredo TX to Odessa/ drill pipe. Used to be 3000.00 one way an back for 3000.00 if the driver wants to.. now it's I'll give you 2000.00 there. Owner op hardly makes a profit after fuel on that load. So now he gets told don't worry I'm giving you 1500.00 back! Now he has to run it in order to make being an owner op worth it compared to a company driver and he now makes less then what he used to. I plan on changing that in a small way
Perfect timing.
Would you be able to do 26' box truck brokering?
I want to start small doing San Antonio to Laredo to pick up and deliver to Midland/Odessa.
Or possibly SA to Houston, Dallas/Ft Worth, Corpus Christi, Austin and back loaded both ways.
Is this realistic?
I know oilfield pays better because I did frac trucks back in '14.
Hello, thank you for the lecture it's really helpful. I want to know the percentage you charger for every load you move. I also would like to know who pays for your service is it the shipper or the carrier?
The reason why brokers are getting over on carriers is because some will allows take the load. The only why to stop brokers from taking so much off the top is to push congress to pass legislation where they cannot take more than 20-25 % of the load. That is the only way carriers will bring balance to this game.
I’m a broker and I only take 8-10 percent off a load… 20-25 is too high
Right
Wtf, who’s hauling those garbage rates, no wonder drivers are losing their trucks, good lord!..
You see you see that???? Even brokers are suffering, dont eat my brain!!!! everyday i talk to my drivers like this😂
Thank you for the information
thank you Shelle!
How do you determine your profit margins? Do you take what you want out of it?
This has to be 26ft box truck freight ain’t no way any 53 would touch these rates 💀💀💀
Thanks for opening the Pandora's box
Challenge for all these carriers and o/o is all the brokers nowadays cutting everyones and anyones throats. Hardly anyone these days seem to have integrity in terms of being honest and loyal. Especially in the trucking business youve got all the foreigners ruining shit for us hardworking americans
375 for 6 drops and 1.88 a mile
How are you in business
so my first question would be what were the dates of haul and what were the fuel prices at date of haul to understand the rate better if it was fair even though it is 93 miles
Fantastic explanation! Great job!
I appreciate you commenting Jeremy! thank you and wish you the best!! peace and prosperity!
As a carrier, you are truly revealing exactly how you are ripping us off. For you to think that just because we got a good rate going to a area does not mean we want to make less to grab a back haul. As a small carrier it is not practical for me to have contracted freight, since I have to be able to have the trucks available in order to fulfill the obligation. If I have truck that doesn't mind doing a dedicated run, great, but most drivers get tired of that rather quickly.
my carrier friend, the broker is not ripping you off...
the broker will contract 50-75-100 trucks going out of that shipper and assumes responsibility to move all that freight...
as a small carrier, you see only your portion, but more often than not, that's just a drop in a bucket from what the broker has to deal with... once the broker gave you the rate-con (rate confirmation) he's moving to another carrier, trying to find other trucks, empty and ready in that area, available to pick up... by the time you picked up that load of yours (say for one truck), thinking the broker is ripping you off, the broker is struggling to cover the rest of 49 or 74 or 99 other trucks to do the same... in order to serve the shipper, who's paying us all...
many carriers want to bypass the broker/s without truly understanding the role of the broker, like why pay the broker when I could do the load without the broker?? right??
kill the middle man, take his head off... right..??..
but the shipper doesn't need 1 truck or 5 trucks to move that load, the shipper needs 50-75-100 trucks to move that load... the broker will take it, with the entire responsibility and liability that comes with it, and will give you as much as you can carry, 1-3-5 trucks, based on how many trucks you got "empty and ready" in that area...
but then he - the broker - is working to cover the rest, that you can't carry, but the shipper is expecting to be moved...
I'm not sure if I've made myself clear enough, but the broker is not ripping you off...
on the contrary, he's giving you work, loads, and with that money, that you couldn't otherwise get...I hope you can agree, the broker must make some money too, after all, no one is working for free...
try to get out of that mindset, of that misconception that the broker is ripping you off...work with the broker, build trust over time, and you'll make more money than with no broker...
@@gabeghiby6935 That still doesn't justify that the carriers should take a cheap load just because we got a good paying load to a given area. Us carriers need to make a profit as well, and we try to work with the brokers but as I just had a broker that told us that a receiver won't pay detention until 3 hours, yet other drivers are getting detention after 2 hours. So who is being dishonest, the broker, the shipper or the other carrier who booked his load with the same broker? That's not ripping off carriers?
@@richardbryant7165 my friend, yes sometimes you have to accept a lower paying load just to get out of the area so you can be routed to an area that will give you better rates to go out of... and yes it's the price we all - and carriers and brokers - have to pay for getting good paying loads... you have to factor all in and the great pay to haul in one area with the shitty pay to get out of that area where you just delivered... and average it out... overall you'll still make money, not lose money...
about detention pay... it's a little insignificant to bargain for 1-2 hrs paid at what?? $25-50/hr more or less when dealing with thousands of dollars for a load...
Yes it is justified and the shipper as well as the broker as well as the carrier can reserve the right to negotiate their own terms, especially based on the seniority of the carrier, how long is in business, how is the safety record, the performance history and all that... so yes a carrier with good standing and older MC can get a better rate and detention pay after 2 hrs while another carrier with a younger MC and maybe not in great standing can get a rate that's not as great and detention pay after 3 hrs...
You can't expect to be paid the same as one who is in business for over 5-10 years when you maybe are under 5 years just starting up...it takes time and trust to build a good relationship with the brokers and a good reputation so you can get those great terms, great rates great detention pay and so on...
But if I may say in a very friendly way with that mindset that the broker is ripping you off you won't accomplish much in the long run...
Regardless if you agree or not, if you accept it or not, the broker is and will always be a key component in the logistics and transportation chain...
Once you fully comprehend that and learn to work with the brokers you'll have a smoother business relationship and with more benefits... especially once you manage to get over 25-50 trucks under your belt... better yet, when you reach that level or close to 100 trucks open your own brokerage agency and try to see how it goes... you'll be surprised to see what sacrifices you have to make - time, money, energy, ass kissing, babysitting, etc.- to get a shipper on board...
Then you'll pick and choose your carriers and you'll pay them differently based on many aspects as I've mentioned above...
@@gabeghiby6935 So explain to me, my authority is 6 years old, perfect safety rating, excellent for on time and undamaged freight. Are the brokers not keeping track of quality service or don't they care about quality, just quantity?
@@richardbryant7165 yes, a serious respectable brokerage company will definitely care about this and monitor closely your performance history and safety score...if it's great to stellar as you described then you should definitely get better rates and terms than the newer guys just starting out or under 5 years in business...if you're constantly working with a broker for all this time...or a small number of brokers that know you and trust you...
As a broker me and my team we show the rate confirmation openly and honestly to the carriers and collect 10% ...we don't even book a load without the carrier's - or owner operator - approval...
but as it's common in our industry each shipper and as such each brokerage company has its own set of policies and procedures...and so each is different and works different with their partners...
Obviously not all brokers do what we do or how we do it... and indeed it's a sensitive and controversial topic... we're open about it and it works fine for us and our partners too...
So how much do you make off those? Or how do you determine how much you take and the driver gets etc. Thanks. I enjoy your videos
Typically you will not want to lowball the driver or yourself and you don’t want to gain a reputation on being a cheapskate. You can determine what others in the area are making per mile , how many trucks are in the area, with this info you will learn to gauge if asking for certain rates (negotiating) and what you as a broker will take is even an option. You can do this under some kid boards when your subscribe to them. There are portals where you plug in zips, truck/ trailer types etc.
What %of loads do Fremont get brokers make
I have a question? Why freight brokers keep the fuel surcharges??
This is actually illegal and they could get sued over it. But yeah they like to say it's included in the rate and that's bs
With todays technology, brokers shouldn't exist.
Just because the tech is available, doesn't mean everyone understands how to use it or has any interest in learning. Quickbooks has been available for years. Anyone can literally follow a free tutorial and learn the system front to back, yet accountants and bookkeepers are still booming businesses.
You are a big fool... Basrard
With the tec there if shippers want to use it and freight company's to they should.
Iook folks if you not getting 3.50 to 4.00 a mile then I'm not moving it I have a stepdeck ,open deck is work I will get paid for
Imagine how far from reality you are that last year diesel was above $5.00 and you only paid 0.23 cents in fuel surcharge, is this fair? well on your eyes Of course, but in our reality it is crazy. The problem is that you never take into consideration the current operational costs of the O/O.
The driver doesn't want to settle he has no choice but to accept the load or sit
I stay away from the west coast. Ive yet to come across a load from somewhere in the East coast to somewhere in the West Coast. Truthfully, I dont know how people are taking loads under $2/mile, much less $1.50 or lower as ive been seeing considering fuel takes up more than 1/3 of that. I on the other hand know my operating costs and have a minimum that I will move freight for and plan ahead to avoid going into areas that pay less than dirt.
Quick question as a freight broker who is responsible for paying the tonu when a load gets canceled a driver already drove some miles.
Depends on the reason/s why the load was cancelled and why wasn't that openly communicated with the carrier before the driver started his trip to pickup... usually the broker will pay for the tonu and get reimbursed from the shipper if the reason/s for canceling involved the shipper as well... either way someone has to pay for the cancellation.. there are too many moving parts to just play around and cancel the load with no consequences...
@@gabeghiby6935 thank you so much for answering my question!
Wow, your video are incredible learning tools! Is it possible to be carrier working for you?
As a carrier that is why we don't make money rates way to low
Great Video thank you sir
There it is that carrier should have charged more because a broker will quickly tell you we do this all the time for this price. Very clever though 👏
would be nice to have a menu of the brokering verbiage or lingo one could download
These rates are cheap. A carrier would barely get by. It should be more in the $3.50/mile lots of overhead costs.
This is something I don't stress about some reason shipper want to go through a broker very few will go through a busy only get to my freight. That way America is so great cause there opportunities for us true God's first people. You can do yard moves or warehouse to warehouse and get paid or go long get paid just remember your expense and taxes
Why don't you show the rate con of the load you booked with the trucking company? Then show the rate con you got from the shipper? I bet you would never do that.
I wouldn't touch that cheap shit with ten foot pole.
Hi there. Thank you for making videos. Im currently studying to become a freight broker. Yet I'm concerned. I learned today that it can take up to 30 or more days for a shipper to pay us for a load to pay the driver. And so we need to have money on hand ourselves to pay drives advances on loads, especially as a new broker. There is no way I would have thousands of dollars on hand to pay drivers so they aren't waiting around for the shipper to pay out. Is there a previous video you made addressing this that you can point me to? Is this even necessary? How would I get around that not having money on hand to pay drives. Im confused.
I have learned that you would use factoring companies that usually charge 5% on the load for advancing the money to pay your brokerage and the trucker that moved your load.
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@@JLafleur05 thank you for responding
Factoring company. OTR Capital is a good one I refer to my drivers FYI
'Factoring' == one more unneeded middleman taking a cut. But when you need tires for your rig, whadygondo? Maybe get that new card from Capital1...
It's a necessary evil but they are still the scourge of the universe. They're even worse than a hotel room in Gary, IN.
I think the only workable solution is to say up front that Carriers only get paid when YOU get paid, and then keep your word by disbursing funds as soon as you get them. The same day.
Do you move reefer freight? If so, how can I link up with you as a carrier?
You’re hoping to catch drivers bobtailing home without loads or desperate. 😅
nah...not really...some will..some won't..next!
I have a new authority and I am a Box Truck Owner operator. How can I find Brokers who work with new authorities and have LTL or Partial loads?
Send me an email with your information l.salazar@intlheavyhaulers.com
Love the videos you put out. I may not always agree with you on carrier pricing but I understand that we both have to make money. Do you have openings for a 24ft box truck running partials in the South?
BIG RESPECT!! Do you go into Florida??
@@brandonthefreightbroker If the price is right. Florida can be a headache to get out of.
ikr😀 don't have much for 24s right now...
You got anything coming out of Dallas Fort Worth area for a 26 ft
@UCSH4bnqVPEzGVv235xx6n0A you mess with freight or you do residential moving
I’m in this exact position,so today I met my first shipper. He needs loads to be moved but I don’t feel confident , I haven’t shipped any freight at the moment. I want to know can I put the load on the load board and wait for a driver to respond and sign him up as a carrier? Do I need a contract with the shipper? I’m not sure which way to go.
Thanks
Yes you can post load on DAT Load Board. You have direct relationship with shipper so you are a broker. Post Load and click Search for Trucks on load board on area boss
@@poplife19 I appreciate that. It seems to good to be true that’s why I had to ask.
How’s your career going? Still at it?
Don't believe for one second he is being truthful. I wonder if he works 1 week for pay and that next week, he works for nothing and loses money?
good vid thanks
clearly your reading the form...but how does a brokers fee come into play... not understanding
Great video! Is your service fee factored into the final linehaul rate?
yes!
@@brandonthefreightbroker can you show us a video of the original rate before you took out your percentage
damn those are some cheap rate... and ca to nc for reefer good lord you could have done it for free and still got $5k for that. last year that shit was going for over $10k ....
5:05 It's not a business here because the shipper and receiver will take a lifetime to load or unload and they won't want to pay detention, that's the problem, imagine yourself in a refrigerator paying that diesel from your pocket. Of course those are the small details that you do not like to see....
“In lanes” ??? Please explain this term. I am new to pallets biz in Detroit area.
Did he say those are what the shippers are saying they will pay or what he offered to the trucks pay for the shipper?
$3700 on 1500 miles 6 stops. WHAT!?
made a nice commission too!!
What 😮
@@brandonthefreightbroker is making commission common or only on shippers, you have contracted with?
That’s not enough money to make 6 stops…basically the load paid $2.46 RPM & nothing for the extra stops….. 6 stops
$4300 would have been more appropriate.
$100 for each extra stop & that would actually depend on where the stops are located at & how far they are from each other!!!!
We just did a load from Atlanta GA to Newark NJ & made $4600 one stop…($5.25 RPM)
No way I’m taking anything less than $2 per mile…
@@melanieyancy6779 it's not enough for you and your company...it was obviously enough for the company we moved the load with...all loads don't work for every driver...
Great info
thanks Nick!! I appreciate the support!!
@@brandonthefreightbroker no problem brother
😎cool
Thank you! 👆🏻
thank you!
Thank you so much thank youuuuy
thank you DP!!
Does this concept apply to expediting as well? I'm in the cargo/sprinter van industry
Riverside CA to Marchville NC Or Marchville NC to Riverside CA?? Pays 2700
Brandon, talk to us about your DEMAND for NO "SL&C" for the Carrier.
Thats good stuff sir
thank you!!
So question, out of the line haul rate is that just what you made or is that the total price you get from the shipper and you take a portion of that and post it for the carrier. I’m confused.
That's his agreed rate with his client.
It's very cheap, but this broker is probably ok with making $200 of a single load for just making a call or replying to emails which can take less than 30 minutes from the comfort of his home thats for a single load
No disrespect my guy but I see you as not necessary. You shouldn't be getting any money it should be going to the truck driver the shippers should be able to put the load on an app and get beds from truck drivers it's us out here risking Our Lives paying these high fuel rates you provide no service whatsoever the government should pass a law at the very least making it transparent as to what you are getting paid so you don't have the ability to make the tippers pay the higher difference that we are supposed to be getting because of the higher fuel prices and pocket the difference which I'm sure you are doing
no disrespect taken....just consider what you're saying as an opinion....just a bunch a talk...doesn't bother me in any way.wish you the best!!!
@@brandonthefreightbroker please educate me. Tell me how I'm wrong and what value you provide is that an app couldn't provide for a fraction of the cost? Do you disclose how much the shippers paying you to the truck drivers? I bet you don't your whole industry benefits on one side not knowing what the other side is doing
so youre saying the snowy roads pay more in the winter? i think its time to buy some tire chains!
You talk about “selling service” but it sounds like what you actually do is chase rates to the bottom. The rates your showing that “YOU” make in the time frame and lanes, I was making $3.00 +
Selling carriers on these cheap rates only gets you the broker the worst of the worst carriers that will ultimately lose you your shipper due to their ( the carrier ) bad service.
You would be better served by creating a WIN, WIN, WIN. If the carrier isn’t winning… your milking a cow that’s going to dry up quick
these loads are very cheap I would charge double for these rates from wi to ga sc nc east coast I charge 6k 7500 to fl refrigerated and when were these loads seems cheaper then dirt you can get way better rate of the boards especially last year rate paid the highest I have ever seen
Circled back and watched this video back several times, great information as always for us who are new & trying to learn & understand lanes & rates, Thanks Brandon!
What is a fuel surcharge and how do u calculate it
I wouldn't take that load coming from California for under a $1 a mile. The broker do that to get in with the shipper. But if I was the driver I would tell them to get me short runs out that would get me to a good load.
this broker could have easily gotten his driver 8k on ca to nc on reefer truck last year ... but your right doing it for free to get his name in there at expense of carrier bottom line... he could have deadhead back 2/3 of the way and made same money
Are you still training on your website? I tried to email your company and have not receive any response yet.
oops...we may have missed it....my apologies..send it to me directly please....brandon.scott@alliancelogistics.net
@@brandonthefreightbroker thank you. Sending now.
So the companies reimburse for the gas milage?
How do I as a carrier know if the broker is associated with a shipper that I have not used before, so I can go to the shipper and try to find Loads?
This doesn't sy what the broker actually makes. Is it a percentage or flat fee?? I'm confused.