@@MaintenanceManNarratives thanks brother! I appreciate that and the support! Just trying to get better and less shy about it lol. Anyways I appreciate you big time 🤜🤛
They absolutely have their use case; I know furniture makers who have high-end 12v tools you can’t even get batteries for anymore. The 18v drills and drivers are WAY too big for some of what they do!
Specialty trades like that definitely demand the 12v market. Kinda ridiculous to have high end tools you can’t even get batteries for anymore. Almost seems like an oxymoron 😂. Cabinetry is another one. When I install kitchens it can get Harry in some situations. Especially 9 inch uppers and lowers. Thanks for the input wholesomegamer! Thanks for watching!
Bosch is already gone from my lowes around me. All the 12v stuff gone. Milwaukee will be around cause they have a lot of specialty tools for the m12. Thanks for watching!
@@themaintenanceman1Bosch 3 plane laser 12v or m12 3 plane laser will last like a month on one battery. I don't think these tool brands are dependant on what's being sold at big box stores. If we go by that, Milwaukee and DeWalt will be the only brands around in 5 years, but these tool companies wax and wane. They've all been the top brand at one point or another, or several times, then wane, then come back.
You’d have to pry my dewalt 12v impact from my cold unalived hands. I like it so much I got one at home and one at work. It’s super light, well balanced, very compact and packs a punch. I always find myself reaching for, and using, it. As far as the Milwaukee 12v impact…I have the previous generation, but. I rarely use it since I got the dewalt. Something about it just feels unnatural….cumbersome/awkward if you will. I also have the atomic impact…it’s powerful but I just can’t stop using the 12v ❤️
Lol. I’m a huge fan of 12v stuff as well! They got enough power to do most of what I need and love how compact they are. I’ve used both the Milwaukee and dewalt lineups and I agree the dewalts are just well rounded and you can stand them on there battery. I think Milwaukee has a bit more power but not enough for me to care. The Skil 12v stuff is great as well. Thanks for watching Justin!
I feel it depends on size and performance. I own a lot of m12 and m18. Use the m12 the most. Some brands 12v line don't have a whole lot smaller footprint. A 2ah m12 surge hangs off my pocket more comfortably than a 2ah m18, and itll do the vast majority of the work an m18 will. Just my opinion though.
I appreciate that you are respectful with your response. I truly do. In the video I do state that m12 and dewalt are probably the only 12v lineups that will survive from the big brands. I will say this though from someone who has run both the m12 and m18 surges. The m12 in my opinion is pointless. M18 is same size bigger battery but size wise better. I actually have a video comparing the 2. But as I always say use what works best for you! Thanks for watching and commenting! Have a great night!
Very nice intro. I think with all the independent tool companies (i.e. amazon brands) that the market will be oversaturated in years to come, and might end up crashing a bit. Not exactly a good comparison, but think of those electric rental scooters and bikes that were literally everywhere just a few years ago, and now they're all in the dump and you hardly see any. As far as size goes, I think there's always going to be a market for smaller power tools, as the building trades and other blue collar jobs become more high tech there will be a continuous demand for tools to fit in smaller areas that aren't used continuously. Think an HVAC tech vs a deck builder. But like you said the sizes between 18 and 12V are becoming similar, so 12V is beginning to lose the only major advantage it had, especially as battery technology becomes more advanced and 18V batteries can become more compact. Tools come and go, the old Makita 9.6V line was useful when it came out and it went the way of the dinosaur.
Very good points made by you! It is pretty saturated market on amazon and the box stores some have a good 12v selection others are empty. I agree the makita 9.6v was amazing for its time but it’s time did pass. It’s though to say what will happen but we shall see. Thanks for watching!
On the boat of having lots of M12 with even more on my wishlist, but wouldn't even consider 12V from anyone else. Conversely, M12 has gotten so powerful in some cases that for those specific tools I don't need an 18V. I replaced all my old brushed 18V set with M12 Fuel and it's lighter and more powerful than Granddad's tools, which build America, so..... the need for mOaR PoWaaaa! at some point I think has diminishing returns on actual time saved vs size. I'm happy with where a lot of these tools sit. Don't get me wrong, I still have 18, 40, and 60V tools where power is needed. 7 1/4".... 10" Miter.... Chainsaws.... Trimmers.... Blowers....
Hey ToolHombre! Great rebuttal. I agree if there is one 12v lineup that’s not going anywhere in the near future it’s the m12 lineup. Especially with all the specialty tools in there lineup! I appreciate you watching and giving your feedback!
It’s hard to say what the 12 stuff is going to do, I suspect they may make 20volt the new 12 and 48 the new 18 volt. Small form factor tools are great and the m12 line has some of my favourite Milwaukee tools hands down
I think Milwaukee 12v system is built to last for the long term. Dewalts always seems like an afterthought but I could definitely see them doing what you said 👍
Mmmmm great question my friend!, im on the makita platform and I run 12v cxt, 18v lxt and 36v xgt tools!, my favourite makita tool by a long way Is my 12v combi drill, it’s small and fits easily in my tool box and is incredibly powerful!!, just yesterday it was driving in loads of 4” 12s screws for fun!! Buuut makita don’t seem to be really investing in there 12v cxt platform so I don’t know if they plan to discontinue it!, mmmm why didn’t you mention makita at all sir? Have you got an issue with teal tools? 🤪
Hello and thanks for watching! Very great comment on your part I forgot about Makitas 36v tools! And I COMPLETELY forgot they had a 12v lineup lol. As for Makita tools I’ve liked every tool I’ve owned of there’s and they definitely get slept on alot. They are a tried and true brand that being said I would love to see them revamp their lineups. And with the subcompacts I’m not sure if there 12v would still be considered. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next few years and who drops their 12v lineups. Thanks for the comment!
@@themaintenanceman1 yea kinda like an excuse just to have 12v tools to stay competitive with the other brands. Their 20v line is so good though they really don’t even need the smaller tools. I have the Dewalt 20v 3 inch cut off tool and it runs circles around the m12 one
@@tannerwest6823well yeah it's 20 volts compared to 12. Duh. And I wouldn't say run circles around. It's just a bit more powerful. You must be team bigbird.
@@Ras-Buju nah I’m actually a big red fan for the most part. Have mostly all Milwaukee tools besides Makita. Only Dewalt tool I own is the 3 inch cut off. But nice assumption big guy. Go know it all somewhere else
Not a chance. Youre out to lunch. And the fact that you dont even know 18V and 20V are the same thing (18V nominal, 20V max) says a lot lol. Ive been buying more 12V then ever in the last 3 years and thats what i primarily use daily now, and so do a ton of other trades i work with. M12 Fuel line up is unreal.
First off bud. I’m not to sure of many people who do t know that 18 and 20v are the same. The fact you had to point that out makes me think you just learned that in the last week. Anyways thanks for watching and remember… caulk and paint make you what you ain’t!
@@evictioncarpentry2628 there platform Bud. They went from 18v nicd batteries to 20v lithium ion when they went to lithium ion. So yes they did switch. Man was yesterday your first day buying tools?
If you want to work your tools real hard like we need to do on big jobs, you need to have power and tools that last. That's why I never use cordless. And brushless. They can always be repaired easily, and parts are always there.That way, you have power, and they last longer. Fact. Alright, roll it up. That's a day.😊
Lol that Bosch almost fell off the table. And then that thing would’ve been obselete lol. I was thinking oh crap that thing will shatter if it hits the floor
@@histguy101 I actually don’t even recall responding to this comment.lol. I say whatever works for you is just fine. Everyone has their own experiences with different brands. Everyone has different budgets. This video is more about what 12v lineups will be around in 5-10 years. We have lost ridgid, Bosch 12v is gone from all the lowes around me. Skil 12v lineup (a nice set) all that stuff is getting clearanced out so it’s just the state of 12v tools. Mikita has there subcompact tools so I’m not sure if there 12v platform will be around and dewalt just has so many lineups out of all the cordless tools that they rotate which ones they reinvest in. They have bulked up there 12v lineup but at the same time there 20v stuff is about the same size and has more power. Those where the points I was trying to make in the video but a lot of people (not you) saw the title and commented. But I like most brands of tools and wouldn’t say one is crappy if it works for someone.
Bosch hasn’t sold well because they are junk. Milwaukee has come out with a huge m12 line recently and they continue to add to it. They are not going anywhere.
Milwaukee has a great lineup for sure. And Bosch 12v aren’t junk. They are up there in quality they just don’t have a good market here in the states. They sell great other places. I just wish milwaukees batteries weren’t such junk. They have the only torpedo style batteries that consistently slip out when your using the tools. Every other brand with torpedo style batteries I’ve never had any issues with them. Anyways thanks for watching! Have a great weekend.
@@themaintenanceman1 interesting you have trouble with the Milwaukee batteries. I haven’t experienced that yet. That’s one of the reasons I like them. Allows them to keep the overall tool size down.
@@89dhvac used Milwaukee everyday for 4 years and couldn’t stand them slipping out so got rid of them all. I agree, I loved there power and size and ergonomics but between the batteries and warranting out broke tools I couldn’t do it anymore. But I realize I’m like a 1/1000 case
@@89dhvac yup. Like I said I’m sure I’m a very rare case but I’m sure you have used a tool or something that didn’t work the way you wanted and swore them off forever. I will admit Milwaukee is a fantastic lineup. One of the best. Just not for me but if there is a 12v lineup that will survive Milwaukee is definitely one of them
I love my 12V milwaukee ratchet, drill, hex impact, multi oscillatong tool. Great intro.
Thanks buddy! And I know your m12’s have treated you well brother and that’s awesome!
In my case, I always use 12v for hvac, appliances and electrical. Those little 12 milwaukee impacts practically fit in the pocket
Very very true. They absolutely come in handy for many scenarios in those types of trades. 🤜🤛 thanks for watching brother!
@themaintenanceman1 you're doing great videos man!! Congrats
@@MaintenanceManNarratives thanks brother! I appreciate that and the support! Just trying to get better and less shy about it lol. Anyways I appreciate you big time 🤜🤛
They absolutely have their use case; I know furniture makers who have high-end 12v tools you can’t even get batteries for anymore. The 18v drills and drivers are WAY too big for some of what they do!
Specialty trades like that definitely demand the 12v market. Kinda ridiculous to have high end tools you can’t even get batteries for anymore. Almost seems like an oxymoron 😂. Cabinetry is another one. When I install kitchens it can get Harry in some situations. Especially 9 inch uppers and lowers. Thanks for the input wholesomegamer! Thanks for watching!
No they are not, go Bosch or Milwaukee
Bosch is already gone from my lowes around me. All the 12v stuff gone. Milwaukee will be around cause they have a lot of specialty tools for the m12. Thanks for watching!
@@themaintenanceman1Bosch 3 plane laser 12v or m12 3 plane laser will last like a month on one battery.
I don't think these tool brands are dependant on what's being sold at big box stores. If we go by that, Milwaukee and DeWalt will be the only brands around in 5 years, but these tool companies wax and wane. They've all been the top brand at one point or another, or several times, then wane, then come back.
@@histguy101 yup that’s the industry. They release, reinvent, and people buy the new shiny things always. Thanks for watching!
You’d have to pry my dewalt 12v impact from my cold unalived hands. I like it so much I got one at home and one at work. It’s super light, well balanced, very compact and packs a punch. I always find myself reaching for, and using, it. As far as the Milwaukee 12v impact…I have the previous generation, but. I rarely use it since I got the dewalt. Something about it just feels unnatural….cumbersome/awkward if you will. I also have the atomic impact…it’s powerful but I just can’t stop using the 12v ❤️
Lol. I’m a huge fan of 12v stuff as well! They got enough power to do most of what I need and love how compact they are. I’ve used both the Milwaukee and dewalt lineups and I agree the dewalts are just well rounded and you can stand them on there battery. I think Milwaukee has a bit more power but not enough for me to care. The Skil 12v stuff is great as well. Thanks for watching Justin!
I have both 12, 14.4, 18, and 20v and have a use and need for all of them for their own distinctive differences.
Nice!! It’s handy having all different types of power that’s for sure! Thanks for watching!
I just bought the Hyper Tough 3/8 12v stubby with the 4amp battery gonna grab the extended 3/8 ratchet and the one hand recip. Saw
Nice!! Let me know how you like them! I’m gonna grab that 3/8 stubby as well. Looks intriguing
I feel it depends on size and performance. I own a lot of m12 and m18. Use the m12 the most. Some brands 12v line don't have a whole lot smaller footprint. A 2ah m12 surge hangs off my pocket more comfortably than a 2ah m18, and itll do the vast majority of the work an m18 will. Just my opinion though.
I appreciate that you are respectful with your response. I truly do. In the video I do state that m12 and dewalt are probably the only 12v lineups that will survive from the big brands. I will say this though from someone who has run both the m12 and m18 surges. The m12 in my opinion is pointless. M18 is same size bigger battery but size wise better. I actually have a video comparing the 2. But as I always say use what works best for you! Thanks for watching and commenting! Have a great night!
Very nice intro. I think with all the independent tool companies (i.e. amazon brands) that the market will be oversaturated in years to come, and might end up crashing a bit. Not exactly a good comparison, but think of those electric rental scooters and bikes that were literally everywhere just a few years ago, and now they're all in the dump and you hardly see any. As far as size goes, I think there's always going to be a market for smaller power tools, as the building trades and other blue collar jobs become more high tech there will be a continuous demand for tools to fit in smaller areas that aren't used continuously. Think an HVAC tech vs a deck builder. But like you said the sizes between 18 and 12V are becoming similar, so 12V is beginning to lose the only major advantage it had, especially as battery technology becomes more advanced and 18V batteries can become more compact. Tools come and go, the old Makita 9.6V line was useful when it came out and it went the way of the dinosaur.
Very good points made by you! It is pretty saturated market on amazon and the box stores some have a good 12v selection others are empty. I agree the makita 9.6v was amazing for its time but it’s time did pass. It’s though to say what will happen but we shall see. Thanks for watching!
On the boat of having lots of M12 with even more on my wishlist, but wouldn't even consider 12V from anyone else.
Conversely, M12 has gotten so powerful in some cases that for those specific tools I don't need an 18V. I replaced all my old brushed 18V set with M12 Fuel and it's lighter and more powerful than Granddad's tools, which build America, so..... the need for mOaR PoWaaaa! at some point I think has diminishing returns on actual time saved vs size. I'm happy with where a lot of these tools sit.
Don't get me wrong, I still have 18, 40, and 60V tools where power is needed. 7 1/4".... 10" Miter.... Chainsaws.... Trimmers.... Blowers....
Hey ToolHombre! Great rebuttal. I agree if there is one 12v lineup that’s not going anywhere in the near future it’s the m12 lineup. Especially with all the specialty tools in there lineup! I appreciate you watching and giving your feedback!
It’s hard to say what the 12 stuff is going to do, I suspect they may make 20volt the new 12 and 48 the new 18 volt. Small form factor tools are great and the m12 line has some of my favourite Milwaukee tools hands down
I think Milwaukee 12v system is built to last for the long term. Dewalts always seems like an afterthought but I could definitely see them doing what you said 👍
Mmmmm great question my friend!, im on the makita platform and I run 12v cxt, 18v lxt and 36v xgt tools!, my favourite makita tool by a long way Is my 12v combi drill, it’s small and fits easily in my tool box and is incredibly powerful!!, just yesterday it was driving in loads of 4” 12s screws for fun!! Buuut makita don’t seem to be really investing in there 12v cxt platform so I don’t know if they plan to discontinue it!, mmmm why didn’t you mention makita at all sir? Have you got an issue with teal tools? 🤪
Hello and thanks for watching! Very great comment on your part I forgot about Makitas 36v tools! And I COMPLETELY forgot they had a 12v lineup lol. As for Makita tools I’ve liked every tool I’ve owned of there’s and they definitely get slept on alot. They are a tried and true brand that being said I would love to see them revamp their lineups. And with the subcompacts I’m not sure if there 12v would still be considered. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next few years and who drops their 12v lineups. Thanks for the comment!
Not Milwaukee buddy!!!!
Mechanic line of tools is strong!!!!
That was stated in the video. I’m glad you listened! Thanks for watching!
Dewalt has great 12v stuff but they need to expand it. There’s not enough tools to keep me interested
I 💯 agree. But they have never focused to much time with there 12v lineup. It’s almost like they do just enough to keep it there and that’s it lol
@@themaintenanceman1 yea kinda like an excuse just to have 12v tools to stay competitive with the other brands. Their 20v line is so good though they really don’t even need the smaller tools. I have the Dewalt 20v 3 inch cut off tool and it runs circles around the m12 one
@@tannerwest6823well yeah it's 20 volts compared to 12. Duh. And I wouldn't say run circles around. It's just a bit more powerful. You must be team bigbird.
@@Ras-Buju nah I’m actually a big red fan for the most part. Have mostly all Milwaukee tools besides Makita. Only Dewalt tool I own is the 3 inch cut off. But nice assumption big guy. Go know it all somewhere else
Bosch dominates the world but not usa interesting? what do you guys use?
Milwaukee and dewalt DOMINATE over here. Seiing Bosch at a job site is rare. But I understand outside the stated it’s HUGE!
👍👍👍thanks
Thanks for watching Ken!
AWESOME INTRO! 💪🏽😎
Thank you Carlos! I always appreciate feedback! Have a great day bro!
Hot take
Thanks for watching!
Just cranking out the videos!!!!
You know it bro! Just trying to tickle that algorithm 😂. Jk I’ve got a lot to share
And not very good ones either.
@@travisvanalst4698 oh no…. I’m so offended.
No they aren’t. Especially with m12 fast ratchet , m12 angle grinder , m12 riveter , m12 small portable light
I explained that in the video 👍
18 and 20v are the same
That they are.
Not a chance. Youre out to lunch.
And the fact that you dont even know 18V and 20V are the same thing (18V nominal, 20V max) says a lot lol.
Ive been buying more 12V then ever in the last 3 years and thats what i primarily use daily now, and so do a ton of other trades i work with.
M12 Fuel line up is unreal.
First off bud. I’m not to sure of many people who do t know that 18 and 20v are the same. The fact you had to point that out makes me think you just learned that in the last week. Anyways thanks for watching and remember… caulk and paint make you what you ain’t!
@@themaintenanceman1 You literally stated "when dewalt switched from 18V to 20V" 😂 .....bud.
@@evictioncarpentry2628 there platform Bud. They went from 18v nicd batteries to 20v lithium ion when they went to lithium ion. So yes they did switch. Man was yesterday your first day buying tools?
@@themaintenanceman1 lmao.
If you want to work your tools real hard like we need to do on big jobs, you need to have power and tools that last. That's why I never use cordless. And brushless. They can always be repaired easily, and parts are always there.That way, you have power, and they last longer. Fact. Alright, roll it up. That's a day.😊
Your not wrong on that! Thanks for watching Gerard!
Lol that Bosch almost fell off the table. And then that thing would’ve been obselete lol. I was thinking oh crap that thing will shatter if it hits the floor
😂 it was a close call 😅
No. They are not. Milwaukee m12 drills are great. Don’t know about the other crappy brands.
I don’t consider dewalt a crappy brand. I guess you do though
Are other brands crappy? I would call a lot of them "less disposable"
@@histguy101 I actually don’t even recall responding to this comment.lol. I say whatever works for you is just fine. Everyone has their own experiences with different brands. Everyone has different budgets. This video is more about what 12v lineups will be around in 5-10 years. We have lost ridgid, Bosch 12v is gone from all the lowes around me. Skil 12v lineup (a nice set) all that stuff is getting clearanced out so it’s just the state of 12v tools. Mikita has there subcompact tools so I’m not sure if there 12v platform will be around and dewalt just has so many lineups out of all the cordless tools that they rotate which ones they reinvest in. They have bulked up there 12v lineup but at the same time there 20v stuff is about the same size and has more power. Those where the points I was trying to make in the video but a lot of people (not you) saw the title and commented. But I like most brands of tools and wouldn’t say one is crappy if it works for someone.
Bosch hasn’t sold well because they are junk. Milwaukee has come out with a huge m12 line recently and they continue to add to it. They are not going anywhere.
Milwaukee has a great lineup for sure. And Bosch 12v aren’t junk. They are up there in quality they just don’t have a good market here in the states. They sell great other places. I just wish milwaukees batteries weren’t such junk. They have the only torpedo style batteries that consistently slip out when your using the tools. Every other brand with torpedo style batteries I’ve never had any issues with them. Anyways thanks for watching! Have a great weekend.
@@themaintenanceman1 interesting you have trouble with the Milwaukee batteries. I haven’t experienced that yet. That’s one of the reasons I like them. Allows them to keep the overall tool size down.
@@89dhvac used Milwaukee everyday for 4 years and couldn’t stand them slipping out so got rid of them all. I agree, I loved there power and size and ergonomics but between the batteries and warranting out broke tools I couldn’t do it anymore. But I realize I’m like a 1/1000 case
@@themaintenanceman1 yeah that make sense. I couldn’t deal with that either.
@@89dhvac yup. Like I said I’m sure I’m a very rare case but I’m sure you have used a tool or something that didn’t work the way you wanted and swore them off forever. I will admit Milwaukee is a fantastic lineup. One of the best. Just not for me but if there is a 12v lineup that will survive Milwaukee is definitely one of them