The fact Nihility characters have to build effect hit rate whereas other characters like Topaz, Gallagher, Ruan Mei and Aventurine don't even need effect hit rate to land their debuff at all. Seem like a big nerf to the path as a whole since effect hit rate doesn't even increase your dmg or spd or anything for most of the nihility characters. Its only another gate to using the characters kit.
I absolutely love Jiaoqiu and will pull regardless, but...Hoyo was dirty, i mean, extremely dirty with this character, cutting his abilities to the ground.
But they didn't. His damage amp was untouched (except -4% from his Light Cone). If anything they increased his abilities by adding DoT to his base kit (originally on his e2).
@@sirsuntar8717 clearly you didn't *listen* to the video. And Pela can't use his Light Cone. Keep replying to make it even more clear you have no idea what you're talking about.
@@sirsuntar8717 Pela and SW can't even trigger his LC seccond effect bro 💀and saying that the worst nihility(AKA Guinaifen) will be better is just a stretch, Guin is barely usefull in 0 cycles because she takes ages to build her stacks, unlike Jiaoqiu who builds his stacks almost all in 1 turn and his debuffs never go away.
@@galaxier3543 he's best in slot in both Acheron and dot. Other good teams are ratio follow up (he can replace topaz) or any team that wants a debuffer. You can run a fun team with him and Pela where you decrease defense by 100% through sheer debuffs (brute force team go brr). If you lack good harmony units, he can also go with Yunli and argenti for the ult bonus Also omg I love his design especially his tail
All I needed to pull him was adult male. The rest are bonuses. But my account is at a point where I have all I need, I can start collecting whoever appeals to me visually.
If hoyo had just kept the healing in his kit he would've been a must pull even after the nerf... e0 acheron users could avoid running a healer/sustain and run a support instead in e0 teams. His potential for DoT teams could've been insane as well, as he could fill the slot for a healer, debuffer and DoT applicator. Imagine a team with healer jiaoqiu, Kafka, Black Swan, and the furure character that could make DoT's crit like the divergent universe blessing... DoT would DESTROY the meta.
I think people are mostly coping about Jiaoqiu because he is male and they don't want to pull him which is fine but they don't need to come spread misinformation and doompost on every video about him. He is the definitive best debuffer in the game there is no competition he beat Silver Wolf, Pela and Guinaifen easily in that role which is the role he is suppose to play. He consistently keeps his debuff on all enemies throughout all waves whereas other debuffers need to reapply ult on every new enemy which is near impossible to do in pure fiction or any multi wave encounter. He is Acheron best support still and generates the most stacks for her. He can be played in DOT team and achieve similar clear times as Ruan mei. He can be played with hypercarry characters just like Pela, Guinaifen and Silver Wolf but most teams prefer buffers or have no space for debuffers at all due to kit restrictions such as Firefly. Jiaoqiu won't fit on every team but in the teams he can fit like Acheron and DOT are among the strongest and most consistent teams in the game. Overall you should always pull who you like and that fit into the teams you are trying to build.
Extremely based guide. Seeing all the unwarranted doomposting was making me want to pull my hair out. Great call out on the Pela/Gui camparison, most people online would only focus on the damage amp without taking into account debuff uptime or SP friendliness
@@Hououin818 I have Guinaifen at E0 only, and use her with Acheron most of the time, and she is not truly SP positive. To consistently apply the Fire Kiss, I have to use her skill, to get the most out of her, I need to use her skill. Replacing her with Jiaoqiu would be a huge improvement.
@@stribijev You'll need EHR for her if she doesn't land her burn. In your case tho you really need JQ if guinefen doesn't work 😅. But I can say tho that she is actually sp friendly 😅 when you have her properly built.
thats the thing a limited 5 star supportive unit shouldnt just barely be better than four star units. He used to be so much better but got nerfed HEAVILY
The only reason people don't see him in a better light is because he was shafted so much in beta. He's still great, but he's just not what he could've been, so he's fallen to doom posting. Though, hoyo royally messed up with giving us a thought that he'd be a nihility healer. Expectations were high from that alone.
Thanks so much for this breakdown! I've been on the fence about pursuing him for a little while, but this really helps confirm for me his value increase in my current acheron team! Thanks!
Your kit explanation and information in this video is so well put! I actually like the way it was all composed and visually put! TYSM!!!!! keep it going!
Your guide is one of the best ones I have seen so far, I don't know how I didn't know about your content until now, really informative and well presented stuff! Thank you!
Really thorough pre-release guide, not like many other cc out there that mentions vaguely what the characters can do when synergized with others and actually has calcs. Worth subbing
While I really like his kit and I'm for sure gonna use him for my E0S0 Acheron, I ALSO think he will be great in Yunli AND Feixiao teams. I mean he's the chancelor for Feixiao for christ's sakes and Fu Xuan and Jing Yuan have great synergy too. So I definitely think he's future proof, providing so much dmg vuln and dots and stuff. Narrowly thinkging "oh I can just use Pela" is wild because in a lot of cases, you can use BOTH. Honestly with him bbeing the same Genshin ENG VA as Kazuha and getting the same treatment of "eh why use him if we have someone else", I think it's funny that he seems pretty future proofed as a debuffer
While the comparison between pella and jiaoqiu is nice too see how much he puts in the table but do note if your gonna use him in a Acheron team you would want too put them together and have vulnerability and deff shred
I like how people complain when a character is too weak saying that the character is not worth it but also complain when the character is too strong saying that they powercreep other characters.
Not a great example because we're talking about a 5 star powercreeping 4 star units, which of course that should happen. People generally complaining about powercreep are referring to a 5 star rendering their currently invested 5 star somewhat irrelevant.
I was looking bad at him because the cap of debuffs on PF, but i never thought about Herta shop nihility LC, that fixes his problem lol(And also that masive ATK scaling thats serius damage). Also one problem that i had is that with gui and pela i had close to never a time where i used both ults(with max gui pasive) at the same time that my Acheron had max stacks, so i either wasted stacks or wasted the ult to help acheron reach her ult, and JQ helps with that(Plus yes i am looking at you DOT pure fiction, he helps a lot there also). Probably will pull for him, but i will see the performance first. Awesome guide!
For what i saw on showcases : At E0S1 he's like 10% better than E6S5 Pela (Pearl or Tutorial) and completely outshines her at E1S1. He's mostly playable in the same teams that Pela as a debuffer, so quite universal tho out of Harmony waifu's league. As a dot dealer he seems slightly better than E6 Guinafen with his lightcone. God Mei seems better than him in dot team, but he kinda can solve the only weakness of Ruan that is there is only one Ruan. So I'd pull him for E0 Acheron, if I didn't have E6S5 Pela or E6 Guinafen or Ruan Mei. Basically, he seems more oriented for new players, and absolutely unworth the pulls for veterans who already have plenty of options.
21:56 Guin also takes ages to stack her debuff if you're not using Kafka, JQ Dooming is just people coping because they don't wanna pull a male. But if i had to be honest i still feel like he is lacking, Robin was a 20% upgrade for FuA comp and it's mandatory for it to work, RM is a must for Break characters to perform at their ceiling, but JQ doesn't feel as huge as Robin, but still a very wellcome upgrade for Acheron. Maybe if JQ field vuln also applied to FuA my opinnion would be different because then he would be a huge upgrade over Pela for Ratio.
i love that you include req stats to be the most productive. And I think 4pc wind set is also should be decent, his ultimate can be gained pretty quick
god I wish they didnt change his kit during beta. firstly, def red from ashen roast was a max of 50% during beta, he had a follow-up atk, his ult applied a healing factor and his e6 made him a crit based sub-dps, increasing his crit based on effect hit rate. f in the chat for best kit ever
@@squiggly4011 not in beta but a way earlier version of his kit, i know he had def shred and heals back then but im not sure about the follow up attack
I have all Nihility characters but Silver Wolf. I have been trying to diversify but Nihility just keeps dropping amazing characters that synergize with each other so damn much lol.
The heal is remove because Jiaoq + fire Mc + Pela can make Archeron be able to cast ulti. 3-5 time per cycle and play it so secure without any risk. Current fire Mc will get team wipe out within 3 cycle on floor12. However since they remove his huge value they should give some huge buff/debuff in return too.
I started playing this game in april and hung around after hearing whispers of a tall foxian male. I'm pulling. I don't have Acheron, i don't have a dot team, and my Ratio team is premium. Guess I'll put him on Argenti team 😅
it still baffles me how so many comments look at only the %dmg increase screenshot between acheron and pela/guin/sw with his lc but completely ignore the stack generation he gives for Acheron????? me when i ignore half of what makes a character's kit design principle
y'all gotta realize quality of life is also an important part of character kit design, and that's where most of his strengths were consolidated into and why hoyo nerfed him so much because he provided so much quality of life compared to other nihility supports 1. no need to reapply debuffs each wave 2. 100% debuff refresh uptime 3. his debuff spreads to all other enemies when you ult 4. his debuff actually helps do damage, unlike trend lc 5. BETTER energy rotation than guinaifen or sw 6. of course the most important one, his acheron batterying power
I think something like this also happened in the past. A fire subdps can provide 50% vulnerability to a Lighting burst dps (Topaz x Jing yuan). But in both cases, you should just pull for Sparkle
oh okay so his ult basically gives acheron 6 stacks? edit: WAIT HIS E1 IS BASICALLY ACHERON + BLACKSWAN WITH THE TRIGGER DOT ON HIT????? so pretty much even the sustain can add debuffs if i'm hearing this correctly
His ult give Acheron 1 stack every enemy turn and max out at 6 times. Some testers say that you rarely achieve this because enemies rarely have 6 turns before JQ get his ult back unless in Pure Fiction. However in PF, Jiaoqiu can use Solitary Healing LC to get his ult faster.
Not only is he a Pela upgrade of about 25%, the calcs are higher in Acheron teams bc she can ult more often. I've seen the reddit spreadsheet that takes this into account and it shows 45% DMG increase over Pela. Pair that with his E1, he's nutty.
I was so happy when he had at least his def shredd but Pela and SW are the only ones that have this privilege, i was so happy thinking that maybem my Pela could go to another team but yeh
I'm prioritizing Huo Huo since she's the best Healer option for my Kafka Team and I'm just missing a good 5 Star Healer option in general, but I might try my luck on his banner with what I have left.
Theres been testing and spreadsheet numbers showing Jaoiqiu is 20-25% weaker then both Robin and Ruan Mei in dot teams, so how is he competing as the best support for Kafka? (edit for timestamp 16:00 )
He’s getting all my hoarded jades, not sure how far that will get me but hopefully E0 & LC at least. Don’t have Acheron or Kafka. So most likely he’ll be cooking in Ratios team 😊
I’m curious to see how Pela and Jiaoqiu would work together. If they + my Bronya could get my E2 Acheron to get her ults fast enough to not need any kind of healer / shielder.
I will pull him! I skipped Jade, lost my 50/50 on Argenti to Welt (AGAIN! ARGENTI DOESN'T WANT TO BE ON MY ACCT!) and I'm skipping Yunli so at this point he's guaranteed lol. I don't main Acheron, but I still use her quite often so he'll go very well with her. I also have Kafka he could work with too, so he's definitely coming home to me mwahahaha.
honestly i would have pulled for him if he still had the ability to heal. it could have allowed a full Nihility team for Acheron, but as of right now I'm not spending 90-180 pulls to replace either black swan or pela
considering he's a debuffer is paring him with ratio a good idea? i plan on pulling for acheron during her rerun but until then i wanted to use him with ratio :)
I used acheron(E2)/bronya/pela/gepard is this worth the pull?? not much contents in game that i struggle to get 3 stars except AS. Im planning to pull for sparkle and aventurine too
@@sirsuntar8717 What is bro spitting 😭no, don’t get his lc just for pela. For your case, if your acc has hypercarries, just get sparkle and maybe her lc. If you want to invest in Acheron to the max or have/want yunli and feixiao, get Jiaoqiu. Both are about the same but Jiaoqiu is more comfortable for Acheron.
was excited for a healer I actually like as a character besides 3 other healer characters that are lower starred but I cant get him because he isnt and that sucks. good luck for the people that can get him, I need better healers and characters to match up with my teams lol
Herr is my question: My Acheron E2S1 team is Sparkle E0S0, Aventurine E2S1, Pela E6 with Pearls S5. Who is the better upgrade? Sparkles LC & E2 or Jiaoqiu E1S1 instead of Pela? At the moment my plan is to upgrade Sparkle. Jiaoqiu seems not much better than my Pela in my Acheron team. And I can not afford Jiaoqiu & Sparkles upgrade.
Sparkle can use Dance Dance Dance it is usually better than her sig LC unless you really need crit value. She mostly fulfilles her purpose of action advancing at E0S0. Jiaoqiu will give you more crimson knot stacks which is what Acheron really need since the dmg is covered with E2S1 Acheron and E2S1 Aventurine. You only really need E0S0 Jiaoqiu he does everything he needs to do at that lvl his signature lightcone just gives you more dmg which is unneeded for invested Acheron.
@@kennethyoung7457 I'm currently using Bronyas LC with Sparkle. So you think Jiaoqiu E0S0 is better than Pela E6 with Pearls S5 and better than Sparkles LC + Eidolons?
@@marcxangor4183 Bronya LC is good with Sparkle as well. E0S0 Jiaoqiu is better then Pela E6 with S5 Resolution. Sparkle Eidolons only increase dmg and you don't gain any extra stacks for Acheron doing that. Jiaoqiu gives you extra stacks in addition to increasing dmg. If you want more dmg than just get E1 Sparkle and E0S0 Jiaoqiu. Your dmg already insane with what you have currently, but Jiaoqiu will increase the amount of ults Acheron can do which also increase your dmg.
Think about this, pela only gives you a window of 1 turn for max damage with pearls, JQ gives you all the window for yourself, is not that she is worst than him, but is hyper comfy to use(at E0) and JQ E1 is amazing. About Sparkle LC, DDD is broken on her because even if you loose some damage from both her LC and the free 32% extra damage one, because she is built hyper fast and only needs 3 turns to ult, DDD is better. And I am one of those people that if you had 3 Harmonies in your team if you could have 3 DDD i would use them XD(Except maybe the RM LC)
Soooo, in the vs Pela and Guinaifen section, if I understand you correctly: - vs just Pela, he's about 20% better, probably comparable to an AOE Silverwolf (without ResPen) -> however, according to your DefShred% vs Vuln.% table, SW+Pela would be about equal, if not better, than either + JQ. Give one of them his LC, and they probably far surpass him. -vs Guinaifen, you say his personal damage is 2% higher than E6 Gui, but she catches up with JQs LC, both in dmg and dmg amp. So, he would only be worth pulling for those without E6 Gui or the Pela+SW combination. If you have either of those you'd be better off just pulling his LC, no? You even say this flatout in his LC section, lol. Really, the only reason I see to pull for him is if you have Acheron, no Pela+SW and no TrendsLC. Otherwise his LC is just straight up better and cheaper to boot. Jiaoqiu: EZ Skip Sig LC: Good Value
Uhm, u forgot that he gives stacks faster plus guin's e6 takes forever to stack WHICH also disappears when enemy dies. Remember that archeron literally one shots everything and guin only shines best at DOT due to the fact that there's kafka AND dot damage isn't as bursty as archeron so her stacks only works wonders there. Dont even get me started in terms of pf when it comes to jiaoqiu vs guin there because we know how it's gonna end up with stacks lol
I wanna e6s5 him in the long run because he's totally my type. But I'm a f2p with limited pulls so it will take quite a while to do so(especially since I'm lacking some key harmony characters)
ill get him because i like him but i have neither Kafka or Acheron. I mainly play Jingliu, Firefly, IL and Arlan so ill just make him work with these i guess
They say he’s a healer but he doesn’t heal? That’s the entire point i needed him bc he was supposed to be sustain for acheron that debuffs. Bro im done
@@armius063 No she doesn't she only give 20% more def shred than Black Swan and Black Swan also has 25% vulnerability on ult. You can't count def shred from Resolution Shines as Black Swan can also use Resolution shines LC.
I think the most value in this banner is signature LC not the character. If you want a gui upgrade y not pull LC for her? I mean it’s save a ton of resource and it’s 75/25 it’s easier to get and the LC can change to other like BS.
Yet another foxian to add to my fox ult buffing repitoire. 🦊
They created a second Break and Follow up relic set but they can't be bothered to make a dedicated Effect Hit Rate set for pure debuffers.
The fact Nihility characters have to build effect hit rate whereas other characters like Topaz, Gallagher, Ruan Mei and Aventurine don't even need effect hit rate to land their debuff at all.
Seem like a big nerf to the path as a whole since effect hit rate doesn't even increase your dmg or spd or anything for most of the nihility characters. Its only another gate to using the characters kit.
I absolutely love Jiaoqiu and will pull regardless, but...Hoyo was dirty, i mean, extremely dirty with this character, cutting his abilities to the ground.
But they didn't. His damage amp was untouched (except -4% from his Light Cone). If anything they increased his abilities by adding DoT to his base kit (originally on his e2).
@@jaydifeo you are delusional...
@@jaydifeo Did you watch the video? He is a lower increase to your teams damage than slapping his lightcone on an already built Pela/Gui/SW
@@sirsuntar8717 clearly you didn't *listen* to the video. And Pela can't use his Light Cone. Keep replying to make it even more clear you have no idea what you're talking about.
@@sirsuntar8717 Pela and SW can't even trigger his LC seccond effect bro 💀and saying that the worst nihility(AKA Guinaifen) will be better is just a stretch, Guin is barely usefull in 0 cycles because she takes ages to build her stacks, unlike Jiaoqiu who builds his stacks almost all in 1 turn and his debuffs never go away.
Getting him because he's pretty, even if I dont have Acheron
The only opinion I respect and support
same, i’m not sure what team to put him on but i love his design
@@galaxier3543 he's best in slot in both Acheron and dot. Other good teams are ratio follow up (he can replace topaz) or any team that wants a debuffer. You can run a fun team with him and Pela where you decrease defense by 100% through sheer debuffs (brute force team go brr). If you lack good harmony units, he can also go with Yunli and argenti for the ult bonus
Also omg I love his design especially his tail
you're the real one 🤜🤛
All I needed to pull him was adult male. The rest are bonuses. But my account is at a point where I have all I need, I can start collecting whoever appeals to me visually.
Is no one going to talk about the video description? 😂
Now that you mentioned it,
Holy sht😭
i wrote it sorry guys
What did I just witness 💀
Da fudge did I just read.
If hoyo had just kept the healing in his kit he would've been a must pull even after the nerf... e0 acheron users could avoid running a healer/sustain and run a support instead in e0 teams. His potential for DoT teams could've been insane as well, as he could fill the slot for a healer, debuffer and DoT applicator. Imagine a team with healer jiaoqiu, Kafka, Black Swan, and the furure character that could make DoT's crit like the divergent universe blessing... DoT would DESTROY the meta.
They didn't want to do it since it would invalidate any future abundance characters
@@ДюсековИльяс tell that to aventurine
@@ДюсековИльяс say that to aventurine
@@ДюсековИльясas if aventurine didnt do that
@@ДюсековИльясsay that to aventurine
I think people are mostly coping about Jiaoqiu because he is male and they don't want to pull him which is fine but they don't need to come spread misinformation and doompost on every video about him.
He is the definitive best debuffer in the game there is no competition he beat Silver Wolf, Pela and Guinaifen easily in that role which is the role he is suppose to play. He consistently keeps his debuff on all enemies throughout all waves whereas other debuffers need to reapply ult on every new enemy which is near impossible to do in pure fiction or any multi wave encounter.
He is Acheron best support still and generates the most stacks for her. He can be played in DOT team and achieve similar clear times as Ruan mei. He can be played with hypercarry characters just like Pela, Guinaifen and Silver Wolf but most teams prefer buffers or have no space for debuffers at all due to kit restrictions such as Firefly.
Jiaoqiu won't fit on every team but in the teams he can fit like Acheron and DOT are among the strongest and most consistent teams in the game. Overall you should always pull who you like and that fit into the teams you are trying to build.
It's odd he is called a healer but doesn't heal.
It's a lore thing In the story he's a healer
He used to, they absolutely butchered his kit. All 5 updates in the beta were direct nerfs to him
Stop coping bro, he's COOKED
@ABC-yj6cy nah he's ashen roasted, stop coping.
He's a cooker, but he didn't cook with this kit😭💀
Extremely based guide. Seeing all the unwarranted doomposting was making me want to pull my hair out.
Great call out on the Pela/Gui camparison, most people online would only focus on the damage amp without taking into account debuff uptime or SP friendliness
Both Pela and Guinaifen are sp friendly with high debuffs up time wdym, Pela especially with Resolution
@@Hououin818me with a 9 month account and zero resolution cones:
@@Hououin818 I have Guinaifen at E0 only, and use her with Acheron most of the time, and she is not truly SP positive. To consistently apply the Fire Kiss, I have to use her skill, to get the most out of her, I need to use her skill. Replacing her with Jiaoqiu would be a huge improvement.
@@stribijevwhy not use pela instead? I mean she clearly sp positive or you use both?
@@stribijev You'll need EHR for her if she doesn't land her burn. In your case tho you really need JQ if guinefen doesn't work 😅. But I can say tho that she is actually sp friendly 😅 when you have her properly built.
I will be getting him for my DOT team love his design and vibe 😊
Great to finally see you yea miko!
Yae miko transitioned.
Got those testosterone
Yeya Miko 🥲
Not Yae Mido, Yae Sakura ‼️
Great breakdown and a solid objective view of JQ as he stands versus "what he could have been". I'll be pulling for sure!
thats the thing a limited 5 star supportive unit shouldnt just barely be better than four star units. He used to be so much better but got nerfed HEAVILY
The only reason people don't see him in a better light is because he was shafted so much in beta. He's still great, but he's just not what he could've been, so he's fallen to doom posting. Though, hoyo royally messed up with giving us a thought that he'd be a nihility healer. Expectations were high from that alone.
Thanks so much for this breakdown! I've been on the fence about pursuing him for a little while, but this really helps confirm for me his value increase in my current acheron team! Thanks!
Your kit explanation and information in this video is so well put! I actually like the way it was all composed and visually put! TYSM!!!!! keep it going!
Your guide is one of the best ones I have seen so far, I don't know how I didn't know about your content until now, really informative and well presented stuff! Thank you!
Really thorough pre-release guide, not like many other cc out there that mentions vaguely what the characters can do when synergized with others and actually has calcs. Worth subbing
While I really like his kit and I'm for sure gonna use him for my E0S0 Acheron, I ALSO think he will be great in Yunli AND Feixiao teams. I mean he's the chancelor for Feixiao for christ's sakes and Fu Xuan and Jing Yuan have great synergy too. So I definitely think he's future proof, providing so much dmg vuln and dots and stuff. Narrowly thinkging "oh I can just use Pela" is wild because in a lot of cases, you can use BOTH.
Honestly with him bbeing the same Genshin ENG VA as Kazuha and getting the same treatment of "eh why use him if we have someone else", I think it's funny that he seems pretty future proofed as a debuffer
While the comparison between pella and jiaoqiu is nice too see how much he puts in the table but do note if your gonna use him in a Acheron team you would want too put them together and have vulnerability and deff shred
i wish his E2 would be broken then I would have go for it but E6 is way too much to ask for
I like how people complain when a character is too weak saying that the character is not worth it but also complain when the character is too strong saying that they powercreep other characters.
Not a great example because we're talking about a 5 star powercreeping 4 star units, which of course that should happen.
People generally complaining about powercreep are referring to a 5 star rendering their currently invested 5 star somewhat irrelevant.
I was looking bad at him because the cap of debuffs on PF, but i never thought about Herta shop nihility LC, that fixes his problem lol(And also that masive ATK scaling thats serius damage).
Also one problem that i had is that with gui and pela i had close to never a time where i used both ults(with max gui pasive) at the same time that my Acheron had max stacks, so i either wasted stacks or wasted the ult to help acheron reach her ult, and JQ helps with that(Plus yes i am looking at you DOT pure fiction, he helps a lot there also).
Probably will pull for him, but i will see the performance first.
Awesome guide!
Black Swan does actually have Vulnerability in her base kit, her Ult inflicts 25% Vulnerability on the enemy's turn
after heaving the fire nihility girl maxed i think im more interessted into his lightcone
I still feel like Sparkle is a better enabler for Acheron with she herself applying stacks with the 50% advance forward for turns.
But Sparkle is not Nihility like Jiaoqui, not so good for E0 Acheron
@@krauke I just feel like her buffs outweigh Acherons talent with Jiaoque.
@@Aiolet maybe, that is so sad he was supposed to be her BIS
@@Aiolet Jiaoqiu generates way more stacks for Acheron's ult, especially in multiwave like pure fiction.
Does feel like sparkle is more versatile
ALSO WOOO I'M GLAD YOU AREN'T A DOOMPOSTER
Sounds like a stealthy s+ necessity for a lot of team comps. People dumping on them don't really seem to see that.
For what i saw on showcases :
At E0S1 he's like 10% better than E6S5 Pela (Pearl or Tutorial) and completely outshines her at E1S1. He's mostly playable in the same teams that Pela as a debuffer, so quite universal tho out of Harmony waifu's league.
As a dot dealer he seems slightly better than E6 Guinafen with his lightcone.
God Mei seems better than him in dot team, but he kinda can solve the only weakness of Ruan that is there is only one Ruan.
So I'd pull him for E0 Acheron, if I didn't have E6S5 Pela or E6 Guinafen or Ruan Mei.
Basically, he seems more oriented for new players, and absolutely unworth the pulls for veterans who already have plenty of options.
21:56 Guin also takes ages to stack her debuff if you're not using Kafka, JQ Dooming is just people coping because they don't wanna pull a male. But if i had to be honest i still feel like he is lacking, Robin was a 20% upgrade for FuA comp and it's mandatory for it to work, RM is a must for Break characters to perform at their ceiling, but JQ doesn't feel as huge as Robin, but still a very wellcome upgrade for Acheron. Maybe if JQ field vuln also applied to FuA my opinnion would be different because then he would be a huge upgrade over Pela for Ratio.
i love that you include req stats to be the most productive. And I think 4pc wind set is also should be decent, his ultimate can be gained pretty quick
I really cannot tell why ppl are saying hes completely useless now after nerfs like… he seems pretty worthwhile to me 💀
I needed him as a sustain for acheron that debuffs too. So now he does me no good bc i still don’t have sustain that synergizes with her
i think it's more from the shock of how crazy it is that he got nerfed so consistently for as many times as he was
god I wish they didnt change his kit during beta. firstly, def red from ashen roast was a max of 50% during beta, he had a follow-up atk, his ult applied a healing factor and his e6 made him a crit based sub-dps, increasing his crit based on effect hit rate. f in the chat for best kit ever
Wtf are you talking about, he had no healing, follow up attack or def shred during beta
He never had those things. Maybe the def shred. But not the other 2
@@squiggly4011 not in beta but a way earlier version of his kit, i know he had def shred and heals back then but im not sure about the follow up attack
@@_marienkind i know about those but after seeing his kit now I’m starting to think the leaker made a lot of assumptions
@@squiggly4011 yeah that's also possible
the persona 5 music in the background? oh i love this guy
The cult of the lamb music was messing me up cause I knew I heard it somewhere
Jiaoqiu is coming home
I have all Nihility characters but Silver Wolf. I have been trying to diversify but Nihility just keeps dropping amazing characters that synergize with each other so damn much lol.
The heal is remove because Jiaoq + fire Mc + Pela can make Archeron be able to cast ulti. 3-5 time per cycle and play it so secure without any risk. Current fire Mc will get team wipe out within 3 cycle on floor12. However since they remove his huge value they should give some huge buff/debuff in return too.
Lightcone for sure, the explanation sold me. I do want him though just for an upgrade for archeon team.
Dr.Ratio, Aventurine with now Jiaqiu seems to be the most zetsy team lol
without S1 Jiaoqiu is a comfier but slightly worse than Pela in that team, but if JQ is S1 Pela is just dead.
I started playing this game in april and hung around after hearing whispers of a tall foxian male. I'm pulling. I don't have Acheron, i don't have a dot team, and my Ratio team is premium. Guess I'll put him on Argenti team 😅
Honestly he is pretty interesting. As long as he can make life easier in an acheron team, I will definitely pull for him.
it still baffles me how so many comments look at only the %dmg increase screenshot between acheron and pela/guin/sw with his lc
but completely ignore the stack generation he gives for Acheron????? me when i ignore half of what makes a character's kit design principle
y'all gotta realize quality of life is also an important part of character kit design, and that's where most of his strengths were consolidated into and why hoyo nerfed him so much
because he provided so much quality of life compared to other nihility supports
1. no need to reapply debuffs each wave
2. 100% debuff refresh uptime
3. his debuff spreads to all other enemies when you ult
4. his debuff actually helps do damage, unlike trend lc
5. BETTER energy rotation than guinaifen or sw
6. of course the most important one, his acheron batterying power
I think something like this also happened in the past. A fire subdps can provide 50% vulnerability to a Lighting burst dps (Topaz x Jing yuan). But in both cases, you should just pull for Sparkle
s1 welt light cone or s5 gnsw???
My acheron would love this man
putting him in my all husbands team, no synergy but very pleasant for the eyes ❤
oh okay so his ult basically gives acheron 6 stacks?
edit: WAIT HIS E1 IS BASICALLY ACHERON + BLACKSWAN WITH THE TRIGGER DOT ON HIT????? so pretty much even the sustain can add debuffs if i'm hearing this correctly
What makes you think that anyone can apply his ashen roast debuff through e1?
His ult give Acheron 1 stack every enemy turn and max out at 6 times. Some testers say that you rarely achieve this because enemies rarely have 6 turns before JQ get his ult back unless in Pure Fiction. However in PF, Jiaoqiu can use Solitary Healing LC to get his ult faster.
Not only is he a Pela upgrade of about 25%, the calcs are higher in Acheron teams bc she can ult more often. I've seen the reddit spreadsheet that takes this into account and it shows 45% DMG increase over Pela. Pair that with his E1, he's nutty.
I was so happy when he had at least his def shredd but Pela and SW are the only ones that have this privilege, i was so happy thinking that maybem my Pela could go to another team but yeh
I want his E6 so much ❤❤❤ 10/5 is insane
Whale noises
Good luck!
Close enough, welcome back Yae Miko ✨️
11:58 both sampo and Black Swan also have vulnerability in their ult. But still, it is a good LC for them
I'm prioritizing Huo Huo since she's the best Healer option for my Kafka Team and I'm just missing a good 5 Star Healer option in general, but I might try my luck on his banner with what I have left.
20:26 and for characters with inate def ignore like quantum set users or Ratio, but Jiaoqiu will remain way comfier.
Theres been testing and spreadsheet numbers showing Jaoiqiu is 20-25% weaker then both Robin and Ruan Mei in dot teams, so how is he competing as the best support for Kafka?
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idk what ur looking at (no offense) as of version 5 he’s competing with ruan mei for dot
He’s getting all my hoarded jades, not sure how far that will get me but hopefully E0 & LC at least.
Don’t have Acheron or Kafka. So most likely he’ll be cooking in Ratios team 😊
I do not have (and want) Kafka, but I have Black Swan. Does Jiaoqiu have synergies with her too or not really? ^^
since i'll use him with either Pela or Black Swan, he's a no brainer for the Tutorial light cone, early game players win again
Help me out please...should i pull for him?
I have E1S1 Acheron, E6 Pela and E1S1 BS currently plus usually Aventurine.
Acheron, Jiaoqiu, Black Swan and Aventurine will be a great team
I’m curious to see how Pela and Jiaoqiu would work together. If they + my Bronya could get my E2 Acheron to get her ults fast enough to not need any kind of healer / shielder.
crazy as it sounds i need a support and acheron unit so im going for e2 s1 as f2p havent pulled anything since getting ruan mei e1
I have well built e0s1 sparkle, should i gacha for jiaoqiu or should I save to get e2 for acheron
Okay! I love this explanation so much 😭 E1S1 foxy man here I come for my Acheron 🥹💝
I will pull him! I skipped Jade, lost my 50/50 on Argenti to Welt (AGAIN! ARGENTI DOESN'T WANT TO BE ON MY ACCT!) and I'm skipping Yunli so at this point he's guaranteed lol. I don't main Acheron, but I still use her quite often so he'll go very well with her. I also have Kafka he could work with too, so he's definitely coming home to me mwahahaha.
which is bestter gettiner e1 or s1 lightcone? uwu
honestly i would have pulled for him if he still had the ability to heal. it could have allowed a full Nihility team for Acheron, but as of right now I'm not spending 90-180 pulls to replace either black swan or pela
considering he's a debuffer is paring him with ratio a good idea? i plan on pulling for acheron during her rerun but until then i wanted to use him with ratio :)
I used acheron(E2)/bronya/pela/gepard is this worth the pull?? not much contents in game that i struggle to get 3 stars except AS. Im planning to pull for sparkle and aventurine too
When is Aventurine coming
Just get his lC and slap it on Pela. Beter than getting him, sepecially if your Geppi is carrying trends
@@Blondin2408 might be 2.6 first half. It just a prediction.
@@sirsuntar8717 What is bro spitting 😭no, don’t get his lc just for pela. For your case, if your acc has hypercarries, just get sparkle and maybe her lc. If you want to invest in Acheron to the max or have/want yunli and feixiao, get Jiaoqiu. Both are about the same but Jiaoqiu is more comfortable for Acheron.
Should i go for c1 or his light cone?
was excited for a healer I actually like as a character besides 3 other healer characters that are lower starred but I cant get him because he isnt and that sucks. good luck for the people that can get him, I need better healers and characters to match up with my teams lol
Wait, I'm a bit confused. How many separate debuffs does he give at a given time for Ratio?
Herr is my question: My Acheron E2S1 team is Sparkle E0S0, Aventurine E2S1, Pela E6 with Pearls S5.
Who is the better upgrade? Sparkles LC & E2 or Jiaoqiu E1S1 instead of Pela?
At the moment my plan is to upgrade Sparkle.
Jiaoqiu seems not much better than my Pela in my Acheron team.
And I can not afford Jiaoqiu & Sparkles upgrade.
Sparkle can use Dance Dance Dance it is usually better than her sig LC unless you really need crit value. She mostly fulfilles her purpose of action advancing at E0S0. Jiaoqiu will give you more crimson knot stacks which is what Acheron really need since the dmg is covered with E2S1 Acheron and E2S1 Aventurine. You only really need E0S0 Jiaoqiu he does everything he needs to do at that lvl his signature lightcone just gives you more dmg which is unneeded for invested Acheron.
@@kennethyoung7457 I'm currently using Bronyas LC with Sparkle.
So you think Jiaoqiu E0S0 is better than Pela E6 with Pearls S5 and better than Sparkles LC + Eidolons?
@@marcxangor4183 Bronya LC is good with Sparkle as well.
E0S0 Jiaoqiu is better then Pela E6 with S5 Resolution.
Sparkle Eidolons only increase dmg and you don't gain any extra stacks for Acheron doing that. Jiaoqiu gives you extra stacks in addition to increasing dmg. If you want more dmg than just get E1 Sparkle and E0S0 Jiaoqiu.
Your dmg already insane with what you have currently, but Jiaoqiu will increase the amount of ults Acheron can do which also increase your dmg.
@@kennethyoung7457 Ok thx for your anwser. I will think about that.
Think about this, pela only gives you a window of 1 turn for max damage with pearls, JQ gives you all the window for yourself, is not that she is worst than him, but is hyper comfy to use(at E0) and JQ E1 is amazing.
About Sparkle LC, DDD is broken on her because even if you loose some damage from both her LC and the free 32% extra damage one, because she is built hyper fast and only needs 3 turns to ult, DDD is better.
And I am one of those people that if you had 3 Harmonies in your team if you could have 3 DDD i would use them XD(Except maybe the RM LC)
basically a harmacist
I will pull anyway, my Acheron needs some help lol. Pela is good and I love Mr. Gallegher, but I need one extra support to make my team complete.
Does Yunli’s counter count as ult dmg?
Soooo, in the vs Pela and Guinaifen section, if I understand you correctly:
- vs just Pela, he's about 20% better, probably comparable to an AOE Silverwolf (without ResPen)
-> however, according to your DefShred% vs Vuln.% table, SW+Pela would be about equal, if not better, than either + JQ. Give one of them his LC, and they probably far surpass him.
-vs Guinaifen, you say his personal damage is 2% higher than E6 Gui, but she catches up with JQs LC, both in dmg and dmg amp.
So, he would only be worth pulling for those without E6 Gui or the Pela+SW combination. If you have either of those you'd be better off just pulling his LC, no?
You even say this flatout in his LC section, lol.
Really, the only reason I see to pull for him is if you have Acheron, no Pela+SW and no TrendsLC. Otherwise his LC is just straight up better and cheaper to boot.
Jiaoqiu: EZ Skip
Sig LC: Good Value
Uhm, u forgot that he gives stacks faster plus guin's e6 takes forever to stack WHICH also disappears when enemy dies. Remember that archeron literally one shots everything and guin only shines best at DOT due to the fact that there's kafka AND dot damage isn't as bursty as archeron so her stacks only works wonders there.
Dont even get me started in terms of pf when it comes to jiaoqiu vs guin there because we know how it's gonna end up with stacks lol
Thank you I almost skiped him
can someone explain to me why do we take dmg% orb if we want 4.5k+ atk
How much EFR dose be need to max out
Mooncake-flavored subscribe button?? Don't mind if I do
Ffs I’ve farmed glamoth on his planar sets 😂
I am saving for Acheron rerun as I don’t have her I almost have 140 pulls .should I consider pulling for jaoqui rather than Acheron lightcone
Nope, if you dont have her LC she is really unconfortable to use and its like an 50% damage loss.(is more or less that but in summary arround that)
no
I wanna e6s5 him in the long run because he's totally my type. But I'm a f2p with limited pulls so it will take quite a while to do so(especially since I'm lacking some key harmony characters)
I just wished he could heal so I would have had a whole nihilty team :(
ill get him because i like him but i have neither Kafka or Acheron. I mainly play Jingliu, Firefly, IL and Arlan so ill just make him work with these i guess
what is better e1 or signature light cone?
signature lightcone it can be used on nearly all DOT nihility units.
We wanted a DoT healer 😢
So... does he need a 2-pc dot relic with 2-pc fire dmg set?
They say he’s a healer but he doesn’t heal? That’s the entire point i needed him bc he was supposed to be sustain for acheron that debuffs. Bro im done
you thought his healing was enough for him to be a sustain?
no way you thought a nihility unit could solo sustain lmao. His sustain would have been very bad
I’m wishing for him! HSR Kazuha will be mine!
Rip Jiaoqiu
A healer that can't heal
Wait so pause can someone tell me if hes better than pela with Acheron (I have e2s1) if Thats relevant or matters
Guys which would be more beneficial for Acheron? Jiaoqiu or her sig LC
Her sig
What is the description oh god
So a team with Acheron, BS, JQ, sustain would not be good? (I don’t have Kafka)
No cuz pela give more value for the Def shred
@@armius063 No she doesn't she only give 20% more def shred than Black Swan and Black Swan also has 25% vulnerability on ult. You can't count def shred from Resolution Shines as Black Swan can also use Resolution shines LC.
i really want him but i’m pulling for jade, maybe i can save up enough in 40 days for him😞😞
I see, so I maybe pulling him now that I saw something else than the doom post's that are wrong
building him would be so hard bruh
No 😭realistically, if you have pela built which who doesn’t, Jiaoqiu is built exactly like her
@@AnonymousMuscat663Nope. His trace and ascension materials are different from hers.
@@9Tailsfan well duh I meant relics. Realistically, you will be running 4 oc eagle or 2pc 2pc on both of them so you can just steal artifacts.
I think the most value in this banner is signature LC not the character.
If you want a gui upgrade y not pull LC for her? I mean it’s save a ton of resource and it’s 75/25 it’s easier to get and the LC can change to other like BS.
Not everyone has e6 Gui and people shouldn't discount just how impactful Jiao's 100% debuff uptime and faster Acheron stacking can be.