Zone is meant to 'zone' people. His zone is not meant to stun, it is meant to be played around, meaning if you do stand in it, you are punished. It's a good zoning tool, or you can plop it on yourself to zone someone from jumping on you
@@cybercorn5966 Still his point stands lol, new champions are cancer besides smolder. Aka the less tools they have the better champ designs becuase they aren't overloaded.
@@cybercorn5966 if its not meant to stun, why is that exactly the strongest part of it? thats like saying lulu w isnt meant to polymorph its a defensive tool, its not some mythical "zoning tool" to miss with
I saw a short of Riot August explaining that there are these sort of fuzzy limits on timers for ccs and stuff like that, I think they corrected that a bit for the new Viktor so that he doesn't feel as clunky. He probably was that way to work in a not-so-modern league and became outdated
There is still fuzzy on the stun timer itself. It's nice the ability now starts the stun at the same time every time to make muscle memory and followups better
@@GamesPlayer1337 yeah that too! I mainly tought of hypermobile characters that basically dgaf about viktor W and can't be punished by it in it's current state
I started the timer with the end of the cast time for consistency, but the field is not fully created at that time, so it can't stun yet. The 1.25 seconds only start when it's fully created.
Ive been complaining about this for years. There were times that a viktor w would stun and gravity pull me in for a free one shot kill and i had almost no time to react.
I miss that set, and thanks for reminding me. The music mixing was awesome. Can't believe they'd throw away something that probably took a long time to create.
It should just start slowing instantly, and then stun anything inside after 1.5 seconds of being cast. Stun everything inside, regardless of how long they have been in there.
I still think they should give his old augmented W back with the function of pushing people inside the W again. There are so many champions with dash that a Control mage needs something to at least have a counter measure and his old W was good enough not perfect yet.
@@valmiro4164 yeah idk bout this logic... and also doing anything here we need to keep the 20% slow, otherwise viktor ends up in rilays jail again. i think somethink better would be closer to taliyah rocks, where ur allowed to dash and flash still, but get punsihed if u make that choice. flash, does nothing and thats fine, but dashing out of viktor E is a very easy thing to do, i wouldnt hate if it stunned u ever so slightly for a sec or .75 if u chose to dash in the W. grounded is imho extremely annoying unfun and uninteractive, not even allowing flash, which yk, grounded shouldnt normally be an issue for non dash champs like juggernauts?? fun thing about a pull tho, is that it lined ppl up for his W and R.... idk what id want most tbh. i think im just not a massive fan of the spell in general. its great WHEN it works, it just doesnt work often. but riot phroxon also talked about the catch element, and that they dont want that, and if he had that he would need nerfs elsewhere. maybe making it bigger but take longer to activate would help, because so many dash champs have mini dashes, but eh its just old design really. something like hwei EW works a lot better. longer activation time, but once its there, it at least reacts fast enough.
I mean viktor before this update was literally the same, he didn't create any robots, he didn't augment other summoners and the only machine part about him was his armor and gadgets which this viktor also has. How do you miss the machine herald, when he literally wasn't a machine herald, he just sparked magic (hextech) onto enemies. Is jayce in your book a machine herald? He literally does the same stuff old viktor does, what makes viktor a machine herald and jayce not? The fucking armor? My guess is that riot is making room for a real machine herald, viktor was a fraud and he just got put in a better place for him lorewise and characterwise. Not to mention that in the old lore HE ASKED FOR CONSENT BEFORE MODIFYING. So what kinda revolution is that? Seems more like he was running a plastic surgery shop than doing a REVOLUTION, do you even know what revolution means? I personally love the changes, and i played viktor alot. He's a fictional character after all, don't get attached to character that dont even exist. And also, viktor was always a twink, just look up under his old model's armor. He's a skinny scientist covered in metal.
oh, so im not crazy.....i would always count and try to time the viktor W to know when id be stunned and when i needed to dash out, yet i couldnt ever seem to get the timing down right. this wouldve been nice to know before i started crashing out over viktor W
If they can fix Viktor W, I hope they will fix Sion Q, it has a similar problem with determining if the Q is a knock-up or not. Also it keeps track of list of targets, if you release Q when someone flashes into the Q, but the game hasn't updated the list yet, the target doesn't get hit at all.
Relax people. Keep in mind it’s also a slow. You’re not expected to hit jackpot stuns on every champ and yes lots of dashing champs now but you can play around that or even use it on yourself or team mate timing their engages etc. It would be way too open if W just AoE stunned even 50% of the time.
still can't believe they made no changes to his W, that was the one move that needed one desperately but Riot said no, no fuck that, let's change ult for no reason
for new viktor, this has not been fixed, its still way longer than it should be, they should just remake it to a 5 second duration with a slow permanently inside it, but every 1-1.5 seconds anything inside gets stunned, so not only can you essentially guarantee it stunning, you can also get a lot more value from it, but its also still gonna be scary as hell and most champs will be able to do something about it
A Morgana's Q root at lvl 1 last almost the same time Viktor needs to wait for his W stunts to be activated, and his W stunt at max lvl still last less time. LoL But I guess it's fine since it's an area stunt in a basic ability. xd
@@deadbymeme2311 the ability that doesnt stun you after the given amount of time isnt a bug? please tell me you can go back to kindergarten to learn english because you clearly have a very weak grasp of it also it didnt bug fix him, it made the bug slightly less buggy, but still bugged regardless
@@ailospjellok7475 you didnt know that every ability that cc‘s doesnt cc the exact amount of time that it specifies because of the ingame tickrate? You can listen to Riot August on this topic. Very informative for those who were unaware.
Still useless against most Mid. If you get stunned by this ability you legit need to uninstall. Mages wont let you approach with w wihout chunking you go bits and running away, melee just ignore it and dash onto you. Give it the "ground" effect of singed W and it will be perfect. also remove the stack mechanic and instead have it deploy the first "slow" part then automatically deploy the stun part as a separate instance so it will always stun 1.25 seconds after deployment regardless of stacks. so instead of the: drop tick-tick-tick stun Its Drop-1.25 sec-stun regardless of number of targets inside or someone has been inside stun. So you can walk in 0.1 sec before it triggers the "stun" effect and still get stunned.
I like this, although to be grounded and then stunned seems a little strong. Perhaps grounded and silenced? Anyhow, your idea would open the door for great visual effect in the buildup to stun. What if Victor's W acted similarly to Nunu's R slow where it gradually builds up to 90%, but instead of massive damage, it stuns. Maybe even give Viktor the option to recast for an earlier mini stun.
Regardless of if people actually consider this a buff to Vik, this ability is severely outdated and needs to ground enemies that are inside of it. At least.
Its still a downgrade... Deploying an actual device, the new animation makes sense for the new design but they could've at least had some kind of animation like a rune or something appearing
bruh so you're implying its more satisfying for the w to stun to take always almost 2 sec, and therefore beeing always trash rather than it randomly stunning sometimes after 1 sec making it actually stun for once? Just delete this shit and give him a proper ability, this shit is TERRIBLE
@@KingOfMalevolence It's clickbait because the title of the video is purposefully vague about what the viktor change actually is to get you to click on it, if you don't think it's a particularly bad case of it that's fine but it is clickbait by definition
1.9 seconds, by that time Ambessa dashed back to base
Zone is meant to 'zone' people.
His zone is not meant to stun, it is meant to be played around, meaning if you do stand in it, you are punished. It's a good zoning tool, or you can plop it on yourself to zone someone from jumping on you
@@cybercorn5966 Someone jumping on you (Rengar, LeBlanc, Khazix) would oneshot you in less than 1.9 secs so your last point doesn't stand...
@@cybercorn5966 Still his point stands lol, new champions are cancer besides smolder. Aka the less tools they have the better champ designs becuase they aren't overloaded.
@@cybercorn5966 if its not meant to stun, why is that exactly the strongest part of it?
thats like saying lulu w isnt meant to polymorph
its a defensive tool, its not some mythical "zoning tool" to miss with
@@theflyingtomahawk1625 literally all 3 champions (Rengar, LB and Khazix) are, infact, not new champions at all, the point does not stand
I saw a short of Riot August explaining that there are these sort of fuzzy limits on timers for ccs and stuff like that, I think they corrected that a bit for the new Viktor so that he doesn't feel as clunky. He probably was that way to work in a not-so-modern league and became outdated
the "not so modern league" is just spaghetti code
if it wasnt spaghetti code to begin with this would've been a easy fix probably lmao
There is still fuzzy on the stun timer itself. It's nice the ability now starts the stun at the same time every time to make muscle memory and followups better
@@GamesPlayer1337 yeah that too! I mainly tought of hypermobile characters that basically dgaf about viktor W and can't be punished by it in it's current state
@@GamesPlayer1337 It’s not spaghetti code though. That’s just propaganda.
There is no such thing as "fuzzy end times" its a bug and they don't know how to fix it. That's it
That's why it felt weird to me all this time ...
Though, why does it stun consistently after aproximatively 1,9 seconds instead of 1,25 ?
I started the timer with the end of the cast time for consistency, but the field is not fully created at that time, so it can't stun yet. The 1.25 seconds only start when it's fully created.
So, how the slow d be applied? Before or after the w fully created?
Ive been complaining about this for years. There were times that a viktor w would stun and gravity pull me in for a free one shot kill and i had almost no time to react.
Now it will consistently do it
@@joaovmlsilva3509 It dosent have the pull anymore you can just walk out of it now
Holy. I completely forgot, that it could gravity pull me inside
@@gertistamherdyeah this is 2nd rework. I miss old core upgrade system.
@namfingerstyle8403 yes. I remember instandly buying first upgrade for e on aram, basicly becoming god from sec 1 on. Good Times
The music made me miss that TFT set 😔😭
best set ever
what set is this from?
@@Artawii Set 10
Definitely
Hyperpop, Jazz and Cosmonauts(Disco) Remix is the best one
THEY TAKING AWAY MY GAMBLING VIKTOR? NO.
Is the music the Disco theme from the TFT set?
yes
I miss that set, and thanks for reminding me.
The music mixing was awesome. Can't believe they'd throw away something that probably took a long time to create.
yes! ua-cam.com/video/VbyUJsa3KhU/v-deo.html
10/10 music choice had to watch the video twice cause the first time i was vibin' with the song
Relatable
It should just start slowing instantly, and then stun anything inside after 1.5 seconds of being cast. Stun everything inside, regardless of how long they have been in there.
So ekko w with less steps
I still think they should give his old augmented W back with the function of pushing people inside the W again.
There are so many champions with dash that a Control mage needs something to at least have a counter measure and his old W was good enough not perfect yet.
Either that or it should ground, any upgrade would be better than it being a fake ability rn
Ground is a good idea. The pull back was toxic af
@@rank1frombottom ground + stun isn't toxic but pullback that you can dash away/flash from is somehow worse?
@@valmiro4164 yeah idk bout this logic... and also doing anything here we need to keep the 20% slow, otherwise viktor ends up in rilays jail again.
i think somethink better would be closer to taliyah rocks, where ur allowed to dash and flash still, but get punsihed if u make that choice. flash, does nothing and thats fine, but dashing out of viktor E is a very easy thing to do, i wouldnt hate if it stunned u ever so slightly for a sec or .75 if u chose to dash in the W.
grounded is imho extremely annoying unfun and uninteractive, not even allowing flash, which yk, grounded shouldnt normally be an issue for non dash champs like juggernauts??
fun thing about a pull tho, is that it lined ppl up for his W and R.... idk what id want most tbh. i think im just not a massive fan of the spell in general. its great WHEN it works, it just doesnt work often. but riot phroxon also talked about the catch element, and that they dont want that, and if he had that he would need nerfs elsewhere. maybe making it bigger but take longer to activate would help, because so many dash champs have mini dashes, but eh its just old design really.
something like hwei EW works a lot better. longer activation time, but once its there, it at least reacts fast enough.
@@molamola9723 Ground makes a lot of sense, it's literally called Gravity Field.
I mean viktor before this update was literally the same, he didn't create any robots, he didn't augment other summoners and the only machine part about him was his armor and gadgets which this viktor also has. How do you miss the machine herald, when he literally wasn't a machine herald, he just sparked magic (hextech) onto enemies. Is jayce in your book a machine herald? He literally does the same stuff old viktor does, what makes viktor a machine herald and jayce not? The fucking armor?
My guess is that riot is making room for a real machine herald, viktor was a fraud and he just got put in a better place for him lorewise and characterwise. Not to mention that in the old lore HE ASKED FOR CONSENT BEFORE MODIFYING. So what kinda revolution is that? Seems more like he was running a plastic surgery shop than doing a REVOLUTION, do you even know what revolution means?
I personally love the changes, and i played viktor alot. He's a fictional character after all, don't get attached to character that dont even exist.
And also, viktor was always a twink, just look up under his old model's armor. He's a skinny scientist covered in metal.
oh, so im not crazy.....i would always count and try to time the viktor W to know when id be stunned and when i needed to dash out, yet i couldnt ever seem to get the timing down right. this wouldve been nice to know before i started crashing out over viktor W
I play league for almost 10 years and i learned TODAY that Viktor's W takes a randomized time to stun
I always thought that skill was werid tho
People be complaining about the W lifting rocks as if the first achievement of hextech wasn't fucking anti gravity
They called it a full rework after just that?
I thought they Will make it pull the units in the middle like before
That would be neat
Ahaaa that's why i randomly stunned in aram earlier than it usually seemed like
just give him “grounded” and reduce a bit the stun duration. Idk how much of a difference it would make but to me it feels like an easy solution
Huh... Interesting stuff!
Thanks for the video!
They should also give it a grounded effect similar to cassiopea tbh
Holy shit yes.
same thing i was thinking
To op btw
If they can fix Viktor W, I hope they will fix Sion Q, it has a similar problem with determining if the Q is a knock-up or not. Also it keeps track of list of targets, if you release Q when someone flashes into the Q, but the game hasn't updated the list yet, the target doesn't get hit at all.
Glorious quality of life change
Is it me or the Q Animations looks way less clunky? Ive seen some gameplays on the PBE but im not sure. Maybe is just the new model idk
cuz of the new animations
Relax people. Keep in mind it’s also a slow. You’re not expected to hit jackpot stuns on every champ and yes lots of dashing champs now but you can play around that or even use it on yourself or team mate timing their engages etc. It would be way too open if W just AoE stunned even 50% of the time.
I'm pretty sure I've escaped Viktor's W before, because of that inconsistency. I could feel it taking too long to stun
Set 10 really was TFT’s peak
Ho can u travel with someone with thresh lantern and fast Travel(tp)
wish they float like they floated in the first season
song name?
So when is it coming out?
Next Wednesday/Thursday whatever the timeline you live in
still can't believe they made no changes to his W, that was the one move that needed one desperately but Riot said no, no fuck that, let's change ult for no reason
Phreak: "We asked the Viktor mains about this and they said just kept the current W for balancing, or else we had to gut everything else from Viktor."
IMHO everything besides his E should have been thrown in the garbage.
They... literally did make a change to his w?? It's now more consistent.
Did you not watch the video LOL
@@sonicwave779 agreed
@@minhcuonghuynh2768 Tbh i think riot just lied about, asking Viktor mains.
I see that a lot of videos are digging the Disco Fever from TFT Set 10.
Didn't expect the tft song lol
for new viktor, this has not been fixed, its still way longer than it should be, they should just remake it to a 5 second duration with a slow permanently inside it, but every 1-1.5 seconds anything inside gets stunned, so not only can you essentially guarantee it stunning, you can also get a lot more value from it, but its also still gonna be scary as hell and most champs will be able to do something about it
You mean like soraka E
It's tick rate. It's always tick rate.
We were promised a VGU but got an ASU instead...
old animation still looks better to me,it looks more technical than being magic
ooooooh so im not crazy, that W really is bullshit lol
I knew something was off about viktor W on live!
But the old one was so clearly viktor w this one looks like it could be any ability, hard to see in a teamfight
A Morgana's Q root at lvl 1 last almost the same time Viktor needs to wait for his W stunts to be activated, and his W stunt at max lvl still last less time. LoL
But I guess it's fine since it's an area stunt in a basic ability. xd
his w should ground. like this champ was not designed for this game anymore lmao
set10 disco tune
Nice! So instead of stunning faster sometimes, it's always stuns slower. Great buff Riot 👍
his w is so freaking useless i wish it would have been a grounded effect instead of a delayed stun
Can someone hear that sfx? That ain't hextech anymore, he's just gay.
I miss the pull
so the "rework" was just bug fixing him
Its not a bug. It is intentional. Its just not intuitively designed. Thats why it was changed. As for the rework. Its an ASU. Not a VGU.
@@deadbymeme2311 the ability that doesnt stun you after the given amount of time isnt a bug?
please tell me you can go back to kindergarten to learn english because you clearly have a very weak grasp of it
also it didnt bug fix him, it made the bug slightly less buggy, but still bugged regardless
@@ailospjellok7475 you didnt know that every ability that cc‘s doesnt cc the exact amount of time that it specifies because of the ingame tickrate? You can listen to Riot August on this topic. Very informative for those who were unaware.
still the tooltip shows 1,25 sec and it stuns after nearly 2 sec
timer in video is including cast time and "arming" time. Tooltip only how long it takes *after* it's armed, same as most traps.
@@Brawph Still inconsistent...
Ok. But this cape tht drags on the floor loooks sooooooo fuuuuucking stupid!
Turns out bwipo was wrong.
Does axium archanist work on karma /udyr ??and other champs without and ult like jayce
We still asking this basic question when malignance has been in the game for more than a year?
Still useless against most Mid. If you get stunned by this ability you legit need to uninstall.
Mages wont let you approach with w wihout chunking you go bits and running away, melee just ignore it and dash onto you.
Give it the "ground" effect of singed W and it will be perfect.
also remove the stack mechanic and instead have it deploy the first "slow" part then automatically deploy the stun part as a separate instance so it will always stun 1.25 seconds after deployment regardless of stacks.
so instead of the:
drop tick-tick-tick stun
Its Drop-1.25 sec-stun regardless of number of targets inside or someone has been inside stun.
So you can walk in 0.1 sec before it triggers the "stun" effect and still get stunned.
Singed's and Cassio's ability to stop from using movements in Viktor's W would have much more sense than it is now.
Yeah, like Soraka's E
@@tomasherrero3197 Soraka E at least silences
Twisted Fate has a point and click stun on a 4s cd lmao
I like this, although to be grounded and then stunned seems a little strong. Perhaps grounded and silenced?
Anyhow, your idea would open the door for great visual effect in the buildup to stun.
What if Victor's W acted similarly to Nunu's R slow where it gradually builds up to 90%, but instead of massive damage, it stuns. Maybe even give Viktor the option to recast for an earlier mini stun.
they rescripted it, says in the twitter post on the patch
Now 2.5 seconds
so its consistently worse?? well done riot
Regardless of if people actually consider this a buff to Vik, this ability is severely outdated and needs to ground enemies that are inside of it. At least.
Its still a downgrade... Deploying an actual device, the new animation makes sense for the new design but they could've at least had some kind of animation like a rune or something appearing
I still cant believe how ugly the cap is and model as a whole
Can you reduce the music in your video please, it's always too loud. Please
Imagine having a stun that takes 2 seconds to activate in 2024 and as a control mage 😂. Viktor is still a shit champ lol.
I hate twinktor so much. Keep his design as is none of this arcane BS.
bruh so you're implying its more satisfying for the w to stun to take always almost 2 sec, and therefore beeing always trash rather than it randomly stunning sometimes after 1 sec making it actually stun for once?
Just delete this shit and give him a proper ability, this shit is TERRIBLE
Still a dogshit ability that doesn’t belong in modern league
So he gay?
New Viktor looks terrible
Can you stop with the clickbait titles thanks
What's clickbait about this title? New W is more consistent and therefore more satisfying to use.
That's really not a clickbait title
Can you stop with the clickbait comments thanks
@@KingOfMalevolence It's clickbait because the title of the video is purposefully vague about what the viktor change actually is to get you to click on it, if you don't think it's a particularly bad case of it that's fine but it is clickbait by definition
I agree with this guy