If you are going to continue doing high load tests, get the old school resistive battery load tester. Handheld models go up to 500A, less than $100. There are bigger 1,000A models too. No idea on price. But then you dial in the current you want. None of the fluctuation, having inverters or whatever kick off etc.... Much more reproducible, but also time limited too. Maybe 10 seconds max at peak rating.
I would like to see how fast the cells recover from the time it dipped into the 11vlt range (20 seconds at 600a) to the time it gets back up to say 12.6vlts.
Thanks for your company that is making lithium competitive, well at least at car audio that I know These cells seem legit and I’m waiting to save enough for the long bank setup
@poppynokc1977 there’s one left currently, likely the last one will make using these cells. jag35.com/products/fully-assembled-12v-4s2p-1200a-lev60f-battery-lifepo4
@@jehugarcia That's were I got lost. Ratings on the cells are 180 amps charge/discharge, so do u do each cell x 180 to give u a total of 720 amps of total of 4 cells.
Just got 12 boxes of these delivered and you can feel/see the quality. The terimal surface area is quite large and the studs float under the terminal surface.
If it does 700amps you can easily start a truck with this. For 150bucks that is an amazing deal considering the price of modern leadacids for cars. This should be able to easily handle it.
A question for you, my neighborhood is plagued with house power flash off anytime for 2 seconds to 20 seconds It really could be storm or heat causing it. My question is I have a 100 or 200-amp breaker in my house could I use one of those batteries as a backup power to stop this I have 2; forgot the proper name plug into the wall then pull your devices into it uninterrupted power battery (they will last for an hour at 75% load ) could I with help of my uncle who an electrician wire it into my house like I mini tesla wall battery to stop having everything go off and either have wait 5-10 minutes to get internet and cable working not to mention all my clocks that need to be reset microwave my oven etc. Bonus question could you or have you done a video on how to build your own power inverter from DC to AC? If I could cheaply (compared to buying them build my own push comes shove if couldn't just set to main power build battery back up for all my major devices would be my other option the do hickys that I have do great on my computer 3d printer and my bedroom TV cable box (2 separate ones ) just so tired of power just flashing off for few seconds in July was over 30 times and sane with all my neighbors so not an issue with my house it's the power company that is useless made multiple complaints even on nice days in the high 70's-low 80's with nice weather and it happens power company will say it's weather related or high demand or on nice day they said could been any number of reasons but won't do anything to address the issue even cone out check the big green boxes see if they may have a fault in them causing the issue for my block and block on both sides can tell at night easy cause even stret lights go out and they take minute to turn on and get to there full brightness. Thanks love your videos so informative I did the vapeing when first came out and had lots of those batteries left over built a few battery banks out of them to run small devices or use as power banks for devices up to my laptop which could run and charge off of them.
Victron and Deye have inverters that allow you to put your whole house in island mode when the power drops. Like a giant UPS. literal miliseconds switchover.
Why does the specs sheet have the range for these cells between 2.0-3.5 volts? All other LiFePO4 batteries are rated for 3.65v max. Are these special somehow? I saw your starting voltage for these going as high as 3.83v if I remember correctly. Will that hurt the batteries long-term. Also, are these batteries good for the standard 3500-5000 recharge cycles that standard LiFePO4 batteries are rated for?
I noticed this too. My EG4 48V-18A charges my pack to 3.5V (56V for pack) and shuts off…but, they run down close to 2.2V (34-36V pack) before they get anywhere close to dead, so I think the specs are correct. Should I worry that my boost solar charge controller that cuts off at 57.6V will overcharge these?
I purchased 4 of these cells to make a 12v 74 ah battery. Unfortunately for me, most of the bus bars I need are sold out including the 12v PCB board. I am using universal bus bars rated at 60 amps. I'm stacking them in three's. Will this suffice and will I still need to use a bms?
Hi, I just bought a 600 Amp Lev60f 12v battery from you and two of the cells are dead after some light use can you advise me what to do. I need to replace the dead cells.
I’m about to buy 4 of these. I’m wanting to use them as a 12v battery to stick a 12v DC socket of to run my CPAP. With this much power I’d think it’d last for weeks. What BMS would I need or would I be ok not running one and just charging it up with a noco charger when I get home?
@@jehugarcia and there it is , I love how whenever someone gets called out on a topic they always try and make it seem like it’s about affording something. It’s actually about being honest and a good person. And I can’t understand why anyone would buy these when they can just get an Ultra capacitor for $147 shipped to their doorstep from Amazon and have all of the power that they need instantly.
What thickness copper are you specifying on the PCBs used for busbars and the main (red) common board? 1oz? 2oz? greater? For 3oz and above most makes have a big increase in cost and wider variation of thickness... is that your experience so far?
Yeah 2oz is twice the price of 1oz, but then I’m running out of stud height, so I can make 1oz plates at half the thickness for same price but I can load twice as many for Same price? I might have to latzer 4mm solid copper plates
They should do just fine honestly because I’m not sure what you would be pulling anywhere near 600a in a drag car even without an alternator but there is also other cells that would do even better than these
Yes, I’m using for 48V HD ATV Gator and they’re really stout…pull 200-300amps without breaking a sweat. Just make sure the rest of your electrical is up to par if running aftermarket components because the weak link won’t be these batteries!
I just have some questions but your website doesn't have a "contact us" spot. I've read that this particular one is a "plug n play" for car audio but it doesn't mention for how many watts. Whether this kind of money is a lot to you or not it actually is to me, I don't mind spending it though IF it truly is plug n play as in I can run a 1/0 OFC wire from my alternator to it and then a short run to my Amp and my 110a alternator will charge it and my regular battery too. I only have a 1500w RMS system so I'd rather not have to buy a $400 alternator and a $400 battery too but I can't seem to get a straight answer from Anyone anywhere.
I was going to buy one of these battery packs but in the description it says; Cells are new and unused. Terminals not included.< what does that mean no Terminals ?
Nothing to worry about, it's referring to the terminal soldering pads on the PCB busbar, some people got the impression that having those pads on the PCB means the battery comes with block terminals built-in. They don't, but since the pads are there you can always add your own block terminals to the soldering pads if you want. The battery still has all the cell "terminals" because they are a part of the cell itself and they protrude out through the PCB busbar to make the electrical connections. Hope this clarifies a bit. We'll adjust the wording so it's more clear, but thx for bringing this up so we can improve it 👍
@@jehugarcia ah ok thanks BTW your suggestion solved the ebike 36 volt battery blinking light outage .I connected an adj power supply to the XT30 connection and lit right up.
update: i waiting for my 2 battery pack of the one thats in the video. Also in the specks they claim 600Amps but they dont say how many batteries and in what configuration. Im guessing its not 600Amps per cell?
Hello Mr. Garcia, I'm wanting to purchase a Fully Assembled LEV60F today. Can I mix it with my small AGM or would it handle starting a lil 1.5L Toyota and run my 1200 rms system fine on the stock 70 amp alternator? Have great wiring already. Thank You
No negative talk. I'm New to the New car audio. I am just waiting for my J approved 96 ah Pcb delivery. I am wondering if you are selling "high level"caps 12v to16v
How can i get a hold of you? I need a battery built for ewave electric surfboard they used to be $2k now theyre at $5k I bet you could make one for $1500. This isnt a scam. You could make a good amount of money on these...
which version should I order off the website for car audio? Prebuilt 12v Battery or with BMS ? I am going to run this with another lithium in the stock location - Retro 56 limitless lithium - also can I run this at 14.0-15v ? would you call this a super cap vs a headway lithium build?
The bms is only 200A so if you need more than that don’t use it. This battery max charge is 14.6v if you want it to last 20 years, you can safely charge to higher voltage if you don’t mind some early degradation.
Charging it higher than 14.6v though won't gain you any meaningful capacity, only degrade the cells little by little. So, no danger going to 15V but also no reason to do so.
There are lithium ion with very high c rates used for ev application. Or hybrid battery.. Hybrid batteries are made for high current discharge but they have less energy density. There are not too many Lifepo4 battery for high current discharge. And this one is probably the best one i have seen yet.. Gs yaussa is a leadacid maker in japan. They started making lithium's for electric cars , these are used in Mitsubishi cars i think. This is the only Lifepo4 battery in their lineup and it is just amazing how well these are made and desinged. Made in japan still holds it's value for real.
jehu.. at this point why are you making only "peak amp draw" videos .. me and "my" fellows are rather interested in longevity (in other words) lasting batteries! Ah is what rules not just A ;)
LiFePO4 can safely take an overcharge into the low 4V range. It absolutely does degrade the cell and should not be done often, but they aren't going to get destroyed immediately, catch fire, or explode like the more energy dense lithium chemistries.
If you are going to continue doing high load tests, get the old school resistive battery load tester. Handheld models go up to 500A, less than $100. There are bigger 1,000A models too. No idea on price. But then you dial in the current you want. None of the fluctuation, having inverters or whatever kick off etc.... Much more reproducible, but also time limited too. Maybe 10 seconds max at peak rating.
Or a carbon pile
@@ericklein5097 Yes, exactly what the higher amperage models are. Smaller models are just a wire heating element.
Those things are even worse. And they blow up if you leave them on for more than 10sec's.
What he can do is get some heaters.
@@KuntalGhosh I guess you missed the part where I said they are limited to 10 seconds at max power? But 500A on a 1000A carbon pile can go longer.
I would like to see how fast the cells recover from the time it dipped into the 11vlt range (20 seconds at 600a) to the time it gets back up to say 12.6vlts.
Thanks for your company that is making lithium competitive, well at least at car audio that I know
These cells seem legit and I’m waiting to save enough for the long bank setup
This is how you destroy the haters and the Liars this video right here
Nah those guys are so far gone they believe their own lies.
@@jehugarciaI'm needing a bank that's ready to go that will support 10,000 or so watts at burst. I have the money ready to send ASAP! Gracias Garcia!
@poppynokc1977 there’s one left currently, likely the last one will make using these cells. jag35.com/products/fully-assembled-12v-4s2p-1200a-lev60f-battery-lifepo4
You should do some charging torture tests. Car audio people use 300+ amp alternators to charge. Sometimes multiple alternators.
Yeah but when your battery can output 600A you don’t need all those alternators and if a battery can put out it can take in so 300A is no problem
@@jehugarcia That's were I got lost. Ratings on the cells are 180 amps charge/discharge, so do u do each cell x 180 to give u a total of 720 amps of total of 4 cells.
Just got 12 boxes of these delivered and you can feel/see the quality. The terimal surface area is quite large and the studs float under the terminal surface.
Hi good day, do you know where I can purchase all the items for a set up like the video?
@@arielbright4218 I think you can still buy them from batteryhookup
I got mine getting ready to get another!
Would love to try one of these out in a car audio setup.
Did you?
If it does 700amps you can easily start a truck with this. For 150bucks that is an amazing deal considering the price of modern leadacids for cars. This should be able to easily handle it.
You need a carbon pile load tester!! Awesome videos
About to purchase the Fully Assembled LEV60F, are the buss bars upgraded from the 500 amp hot ones n this video?
Wow, Yuasa makes these batteries? Very cool.
I bought 3, can’t wait to test them out when they arrive.
Wow amazing test 👍👍
A question for you, my neighborhood is plagued with house power flash off anytime for 2 seconds to 20 seconds It really could be storm or heat causing it. My question is I have a 100 or 200-amp breaker in my house could I use one of those batteries as a backup power to stop this I have 2; forgot the proper name plug into the wall then pull your devices into it uninterrupted power battery (they will last for an hour at 75% load ) could I with help of my uncle who an electrician wire it into my house like I mini tesla wall battery to stop having everything go off and either have wait 5-10 minutes to get internet and cable working not to mention all my clocks that need to be reset microwave my oven etc.
Bonus question could you or have you done a video on how to build your own power inverter from DC to AC? If I could cheaply (compared to buying them build my own push comes shove if couldn't just set to main power build battery back up for all my major devices would be my other option the do hickys that I have do great on my computer 3d printer and my bedroom TV cable box (2 separate ones ) just so tired of power just flashing off for few seconds in July was over 30 times and sane with all my neighbors so not an issue with my house it's the power company that is useless made multiple complaints even on nice days in the high 70's-low 80's with nice weather and it happens power company will say it's weather related or high demand or on nice day they said could been any number of reasons but won't do anything to address the issue even cone out check the big green boxes see if they may have a fault in them causing the issue for my block and block on both sides can tell at night easy cause even stret lights go out and they take minute to turn on and get to there full brightness.
Thanks love your videos so informative I did the vapeing when first came out and had lots of those batteries left over built a few battery banks out of them to run small devices or use as power banks for devices up to my laptop which could run and charge off of them.
yeah you need a UPS, one huge whole house one or a few small 1000W or 2000W ones on each of your critical load circuits.
Victron and Deye have inverters that allow you to put your whole house in island mode when the power drops. Like a giant UPS. literal miliseconds switchover.
Why does the specs sheet have the range for these cells between 2.0-3.5 volts? All other LiFePO4 batteries are rated for 3.65v max. Are these special somehow? I saw your starting voltage for these going as high as 3.83v if I remember correctly. Will that hurt the batteries long-term.
Also, are these batteries good for the standard 3500-5000 recharge cycles that standard LiFePO4 batteries are rated for?
I noticed this too. My EG4 48V-18A charges my pack to 3.5V (56V for pack) and shuts off…but, they run down close to 2.2V (34-36V pack) before they get anywhere close to dead, so I think the specs are correct. Should I worry that my boost solar charge controller that cuts off at 57.6V will overcharge these?
I purchased 4 of these cells to make a 12v 74 ah battery. Unfortunately for me, most of the bus bars I need are sold out including the 12v PCB board. I am using universal bus bars rated at 60 amps. I'm stacking them in three's. Will this suffice and will I still need to use a bms?
Hi, I just bought a 600 Amp Lev60f 12v battery from you and two of the cells are dead after some light use can you advise me what to do. I need to replace the dead cells.
I’m about to buy 4 of these. I’m wanting to use them as a 12v battery to stick a 12v DC socket of to run my CPAP. With this much power I’d think it’d last for weeks. What BMS would I need or would I be ok not running one and just charging it up with a noco charger when I get home?
get the one with the BMS already installed jag35.com/products/fully-assembled-12v-lev60f-battery-lifepo4?variant=40862255382643
If put in the right enclosure can this be used as a boat trolling motor battery?
The link says that it costs $150 but when I click on the link it says that it’s $300. That’s an incredible increase in only ten months.
everything goes up when it becomes scarce
@@jehugarcia nothing is scarce , people are just greedy.
@JonesCoWoodworks believe what you want, go, see if you can find these for $150 then since that’s all you can afford.
@@jehugarcia and there it is , I love how whenever someone gets called out on a topic they always try and make it seem like it’s about affording something. It’s actually about being honest and a good person. And I can’t understand why anyone would buy these when they can just get an Ultra capacitor for $147 shipped to their doorstep from Amazon and have all of the power that they need instantly.
@@jehugarciaI need your help with a battery I purchase from you 12v 74ah lev60f
wheres the 18650 love gone? any updates on those compression packs from last month...?
Gr8 video - do you know if the cell casing is stainless steel or aluminum?
Are these good for an EV project in series, up to 144volt, looking forward to your reply many thanks Ian Barry, uk
So I noticed on your website use have some as LEV60 and some as LEV60F are they the same thing or are they different?
Can this and one of the 14.8 battery you sell be used together?
What thickness copper are you specifying on the PCBs used for busbars and the main (red) common board? 1oz? 2oz? greater? For 3oz and above most makes have a big increase in cost and wider variation of thickness... is that your experience so far?
Yeah 2oz is twice the price of 1oz, but then I’m running out of stud height, so I can make 1oz plates at half the thickness for same price but I can load twice as many for Same price? I might have to latzer 4mm solid copper plates
How would this in drag racing maybe with some capacitors for a very large short duration burst ? I have something in mind.
They should do just fine honestly because I’m not sure what you would be pulling anywhere near 600a in a drag car even without an alternator but there is also other cells that would do even better than these
That was surprising, I was expecting them to sag much faster.
Would these be good for 12V golf cart battery replacements?
Probably
Yes, I’m using for 48V HD ATV Gator and they’re really stout…pull 200-300amps without breaking a sweat. Just make sure the rest of your electrical is up to par if running aftermarket components because the weak link won’t be these batteries!
I just have some questions but your website doesn't have a "contact us" spot.
I've read that this particular one is a "plug n play" for car audio but it doesn't mention for how many watts. Whether this kind of money is a lot to you or not it actually is to me, I don't mind spending it though IF it truly is plug n play as in I can run a 1/0 OFC wire from my alternator to it and then a short run to my Amp and my 110a alternator will charge it and my regular battery too. I only have a 1500w RMS system so I'd rather not have to buy a $400 alternator and a $400 battery too but I can't seem to get a straight answer from Anyone anywhere.
I was going to buy one of these battery packs but in the description it says; Cells are new and unused. Terminals not included.< what does that mean no Terminals ?
its suposed to say 2Awg terminal blocks, those are optional addons.
Nothing to worry about, it's referring to the terminal soldering pads on the PCB busbar, some people got the impression that having those pads on the PCB means the battery comes with block terminals built-in. They don't, but since the pads are there you can always add your own block terminals to the soldering pads if you want. The battery still has all the cell "terminals" because they are a part of the cell itself and they protrude out through the PCB busbar to make the electrical connections. Hope this clarifies a bit. We'll adjust the wording so it's more clear, but thx for bringing this up so we can improve it 👍
@@jehugarcia ah ok thanks BTW your suggestion solved the ebike 36 volt battery blinking light outage .I connected an adj power supply to the XT30 connection and lit right up.
@@thejehugarciapodcastclips thank you much for the full explanation.
do you recommend that this can be used for a bluetti AC200 to extend its charge?
Yes I can be used for that
update: i waiting for my 2 battery pack of the one thats in the video. Also in the specks they claim 600Amps but they dont say how many batteries and in what configuration. Im guessing its not 600Amps per cell?
I just play 32hz tones for hour straight when I’m bumping 😂
Hey so I want to use this as my main battery how can I install a battery post for the factory positive cable ?
Hello Mr. Garcia, I'm wanting to purchase a Fully Assembled LEV60F today. Can I mix it with my small AGM or would it handle starting a lil 1.5L Toyota and run my 1200 rms system fine on the stock 70 amp alternator? Have great wiring already. Thank You
600A. Does all the things you wanna do.
Question: why the sudden increase in fires with lithium bat ?
Because there’s more batteries in use today than ever before in the entire history of the world. Same reason there’s more human deaths.
Would your Buss Bars handle 600amps continuously if your buss bars was made with thicker aluminum?
Yes, but cells can’t do 600A continuous
I'd need a lot of these to run my a/c 😁
No, you need a big battery to run a continous load, this is a samll battery to power something big (10kW) for short amount of time.
If i buy the ISDT BATTGO BG 8S SMART BATTERY CHECKER BALANCER will i just plug in to this. Or do I have to modify the battery to get it to work?
Plug n play, you just need that cable jag35.com/products/2-54mm-jumper-cable-connector-for-pcb-male-to-female-8-pin-dupont-24v
Damn it. I wish you could ship these to Canada. I see it's not available for international shipping. Is there any other way I can get these?
Can I use this battery to replace my 12v car battery?
Yes but not under the hood, move it to the trunk
@@jehugarcia hi just received my lev60 from you, I love it, question what amp anl fuse should I use between this and my amplifier on positive wires
How would these batteries do for Solar applications?
Great, solar setups are low power so these would give 6k cycles
No negative talk. I'm New to the New car audio. I am just waiting for my J approved 96 ah Pcb delivery. I am wondering if you are selling "high level"caps 12v to16v
no caps, mostly batteries
Ya love these videos
Would these be appropriate for solar storage?
Yes, high quality long lasting.
@@jehugarcia cycle life/number ?
Where can I get the battery monitor/balancer BatteryGO, do you sell it on your website?
amzn.to/45xk8yB
You’ll need this cable also jag35.com/products/2-54mm-jumper-cable-connector-for-pcb-male-to-female-8-pin-dupont-24v
Do yall provide a Military Discount, I was about to order and than seen like 78 bucks of shipping grrrrrrr.
No fedex doesn’t care you are military, they want money to deliver your package.
How can i get a hold of you? I need a battery built for ewave electric surfboard they used to be $2k now theyre at $5k
I bet you could make one for $1500. This isnt a scam. You could make a good amount of money on these...
which version should I order off the website for car audio? Prebuilt 12v Battery or with BMS ? I am going to run this with another lithium in the stock location - Retro 56 limitless lithium - also can I run this at 14.0-15v ? would you call this a super cap vs a headway lithium build?
The bms is only 200A so if you need more than that don’t use it. This battery max charge is 14.6v if you want it to last 20 years, you can safely charge to higher voltage if you don’t mind some early degradation.
Charging it higher than 14.6v though won't gain you any meaningful capacity, only degrade the cells little by little. So, no danger going to 15V but also no reason to do so.
@@jehugarcia what is the difference in performance vs a headway setup.
@@JeffAdairKTM530 That was the topic of the previous video: ua-cam.com/video/Rc-S90seAkg/v-deo.html
Are these good at 14.8?
Yup, you can run them to 15v safely in exchange of some early degradation. (They last 7years instead of 10 degradation)
what is the AH?
74Ah
74ah for the bank not per cell?
@@jeremystover256 For both. This is a 4s battery, 4S1P. Bank is 74Ah and cells are 74Ah each.
TL; DW Only 74 Ah. 600A is ~8C.
Where can I get the buss bars that you used in this video?
Jag35.com
mistyping the brand, it is YUASA. Regards
$150 ?
150 bucks
@@jehugarciacan I run it with my headway setup together?
yes, same voltage
@@jehugarcia same chemistry?
Yes
Over 500A and still sitting just above 3.00V per cell....700+ amps above 2.91V
Fucking impressive. A REAL 10C battery that's not some
There are lithium ion with very high c rates used for ev application.
Or hybrid battery..
Hybrid batteries are made for high current discharge but they have less energy density.
There are not too many Lifepo4 battery for high current discharge. And this one is probably the best one i have seen yet..
Gs yaussa is a leadacid maker in japan.
They started making lithium's for electric cars , these are used in Mitsubishi cars i think. This is the only Lifepo4 battery in their lineup and it is just amazing how well these are made and desinged. Made in japan still holds it's value for real.
Wheres the hater?? LOL
In a corner in the fetal position sucking his thumb.
How much for that tripod.... haahah I like it
jehu.. at this point why are you making only "peak amp draw" videos .. me and "my" fellows are rather interested in longevity (in other words) lasting batteries! Ah is what rules not just A ;)
Because I can’t show you 5000 cycles in one video, plus you fellows want to pay Sub $100/kwh when the Power crowd are happy to pay $200/kwh
these test are more for the car audio community. these exact tests is what we look for because of the dynamic bursts of music.
@@hackmunch3949don’t you mean “music”?😂
Your cells were at 3.8v each... they should not be charged to more than 3.65v each
If you want them to last 20 years. Yes
LiFePO4 can safely take an overcharge into the low 4V range. It absolutely does degrade the cell and should not be done often, but they aren't going to get destroyed immediately, catch fire, or explode like the more energy dense lithium chemistries.
yeah we used to charge them to 4.2v in the early days
More under the impression that you put them at that voltage so your 600-700amp test doss not sag under 12v. All good... just saying
Sorry your Adress Ralf
Torture
Torture test here: ua-cam.com/video/r5zwqj_1qmk/v-deo.html
First
We really would love to see this dropped into a vehicle with system alone on this battery for tests...thats the true test