I have the greatest respect for Lizzy! She is a great welder and fabricator a very brave young lady when it comes to rescue missions and a lot more. And she is not to proud to say, nope this is to scary for me! And let someone else take over. Lizzy you are a great person. I am the dad of an 18 year old girl and you remind me of her. I hope Matt knows how lucky he is having you on his team! I think he is.
Lizzy is more man than 80%+ of the guys in this country! I have the utmost respect for that gal. Hell, shes more man than even I am and thats hard to admit!
The FACT that the differential could twist that off is just incredible!! (people don't realize the torque required to do that lol) Matt's response is legit. Lizzy is so darn cute and wonderful! Excellent fabricator! Welder! Keep up the good work every single one of you!
As a retired heavy equipment mechanic of 45 years I learned a little trick to remove broken axle shafts. It requires a length of round rod ( I used 1/2" most of the time ). 1: Weld a small tab to side of one end. 2: slide a piece of heater hose over most of the length. 3:Attach the ground lead of a stick welder to the housing 4: Attach the stinger to the rod 5: Slide the rod into the housing using the hose as an insulator and weld ( more like stick ) to the the broken piece unhook the stinger when stuck. 5: Extract the broken piece, I have had to attach a slide hammer to get them out. This had worked for me more times than I can count. Thanks for the great content
Although it’s probably a pain in the neck, I appreciate your positive attitude in the face of a setback. It is a good example for all your viewers and is fun to watch. I’m sure you’re very thankful you were able to drive it out!
When you've done it 3 or 4 times on that exact vehicle and you effectively designed and built the set up he's running then you probably no all the short cuts lol
Really enjoyed this one Matt. I love the old square bodies. Got 4 of them in the family. Very familiar with the power steering belt squeals and the door not shutting right. Typical square body Chevy stuff. As owner of numerous Dana 44s and their cousin the Corporate 10 I find it impressive that you break them that often. Guess that really illustrates the strain bigger tires and lower gears put on stuff when you put extra HP in front of it. Take care guys. Love your channel!
Some chevy trucks came with dual power steering belts. If you look long and hard enough you can find those pulleys although sometimes it is the power steering pump not making enough low rpm pressure. The only thing wrong with the door is the upper hing pin bushings are gone causing it to sag. A new upper door hinge would solve the problem as the hing pin holes are most likely slotted out from wear. A new seat or dash pad is the real bad issue. Very expensive.
@@crazyoilfieldmechanic3195 right on all counts. I've helped the door hinge before by shimming the lower hinge out but it's a band-aid not a fix. The joys of old trucks. Wouldn't trade them for anything though. I put my '79 K20 through heck and back daily on the farm and it starts up every morning wanting more. They don't build them like they used to.
@@mwfarms I'm sittin' here, watchin' this video, laughin' at all the squarebody slack bein' posted up (not your original comment though) as i've only had one of my squarebodys have a door issue - a well worn upper hinge, on an equally well worn '78 C10. Well, aside from the rust incurred by Ontario Winters, lol!
@@iffykidmn8170 Every one I've owned had the same squeal It's become so natural for me that I can tell right where that stop is and you never hear a peep out of it. Hearing the pump strain, or the belt squeal when someone holds the wheel against the lock is irritating sort of like someone chewing with their mouth open. This one sounded particularly bad, I'm betting all the sand in there doesn't help.
As a ex car mechanic but stopped and went in a different direction, I LOVED this edition! Seeing it break but.. not fully understood what broke.. Edit, it is some years ago.. so.. rust begins to form, 😁 (but inherited technology insight from my dad and working in in it (o.k. what I said, stepped into a different branch, still all technique and still between all the guys as only gal back then, a Lizzy but late '80's/90's when I started, best years of my life so I look at her and see myself from the past what truly was a huge blast and still miss it up to a huge degree! 😊 ) but back to what I was trying to say, I see what happened but ABSOLUTELY liked to see Exactly what broke, what broke even more and how it all works, a true reminder for me taking me back! So, I loved watching the recovery And the repair! Thank you all, MORR Team! You all have a big fan over here 👊😎🤗
Nice one Matt, you and your impressive crew got the job done and completed the repair to the Banana. What more could one ask for. When I first saw the position of the truck’s front wheels, I didn’t think you were going to get it out on your own, I should have known better by this time, not to doubt you. Stay safe and stay awesome.
Lizzy you are just awesome. You know when you are not comfortable doing something and act on it. Thank you. You saved this grandmother from trying to help you from my chair at home. Lol. All of you guys are awesome too. Love all of y’all. Matt you are a great teacher and you look out for your crew. God bless 👍👍👍👍❤️❤️❤️❤️🌟🌟🌟🌟🙏
Just watched the video with the visit to PA with the bikes and beards guys. I love how much respect you all show Ed. And it was cool seeing him tell stories.
I’m sure you already know, but the cold forged Spicer U-joints are one of the best if not the best oem type U-joint. The next step up would be something like the yukon. Back when my rock crawler was half ton I went through multiple axle shafts due to the skf U-joints until someone told me about Spicer’s being better. Now it’s got D-60’s with cold forged Spicer joints and I have had zero problems.
Great video Matt. That was a nasty trail. Lizzy did good as usual and the rest of the team. What a job repairing those busted parts. Enjoyed it. Thanks 👍👍👍❤️
Couldn’t stop laughing at Matt’s reaction after he pulls the shaft out and sees the damage. Matt, as he’s pulling the shaft: “This one’s ruined too.” After he pulls out the shaft and sees the damage: “Holy smokes!!” Stares in disbelief.
Square body is my favourite truck. Lots of great memories for me. My first truck as a 1985 gmc 350 4 barrel. It was 16 years old when I bought it. Great road trips and camping with that old truck.
Lizzie, When you turn the wheel and it begins squealing just back off just until it quits squealing. You gain no extra turning radius by making the unit squeal. It does damage the pump when you make it squeal.
Yeah I saw the title of the video and my first thought was "Oh they'll be fine. They can fix anything." Matt really does make it look like changing an axle is routine. It's really the reason I love this channel. Matt is one of the most competent off road drivers and one of the most competent mechanics on UA-cam.
@@davidpetro7309 to be fair, Matt's probably changed enough axles over the years to the point where I'd imaging it IS pretty routine. And on the Banana, those front hub are taken apart frequently enough that the bolts don't have time to seize and become tough to remove. 😉
When I started racing motocross (we called it scrambles back then) 55 years ago, I put a Greeves top end on a Villiers engine. It was way faster, but it destroyed three gearboxes before I accepted it was a bad idea and got another bike. It was a lot of fun, and a big learning experience though.
Hey Matt it's easy to narrow a Dana 60. Buy an inner axle cut it shorter then cut new splines on a mill. Grind the weld off and hammer off the ball joint holder then cut the tube hammer it back on and weld it. Be sure it goes on at same angle for steering.
This is definitely one of those deals where you see it on camera and say "why'd they even need a winch?" because it doesn't look as nearly bad an angle as it actually is.
I was thinkin the same thing, but then I realized that the camera has to be creating a bit of an illusion because even Trevor's gut instinct was to grab hold of the rear corner in case it started to teeter up and he had to hop up and put his body weight on it. But yeah, on camera it kinda looked like they could just drive that old chevy up and over and out of there.
Hey dude, Been watching your channel for about a year now and gotta say that the bit here on the u joint extraction and repair is really as interesting as the other recovery content. The editing is what makes it flow so well. I would imagine you might morph from only recovery content to recovery AND rebuild and repair in one video, per video drop.... just my two cents.
East Coast Gear Supply makes a front Dana 60 for XJ with widths at 65.5", 67", or 69.5". Teraflex also builds front dana 60 for TJ in 63.5" or 67". Would that work for you?
I think Matt likes using a common size part so spares are cheap compared to breaking a custom sized axle. That being said, without custom upgraded parts even back when I had one (the 90's) I thought I was pushing my luck with 35" tires on a Ford Dana 44 (78 F-150).
Been binge watching all these Utah recovery videos and find them absolutely fascinating. I think the first one was recommended after HeavyD's Lake Mead rescue and I haven't stopped watching since. I cannot believe how many people get stuck and what were they thinking prior to getting stranded 😳
@@deebiz3500 ya, but I think everyone lacks critical thinking skills these days except you recovery guys that assess the situation and take action. Sure some people don't give a hoot after beaching their 60K$ truck and need assistance ... but I ride dirtbikes and quads and haven't been stranded for my off road adventures.
Another great video. Matt I love your attitude when something goes wrong, your like O well and just fix it. You have a great crew that your teaching too.
wow... first 2 pops were the U-Joint giving out, 3rd pop was the shaft going. If you are gonna break it, might as well do it good! Love the vids and the whole crew, You guys and gals are a joy to watch no matter what you are into. You all rock!
More likely otherway, shaft is heavier, so takes more to pop, that unloading has caused U-joint to unload , your suggested way shaft would be unlikely to pop secondary to the U-joint letting go being the heavier item....
@@davidp8157 Not if the axle locked up after the u-joint snapped, which is a possibility, and likely what happened. U-joint snaps, axle falls and binds, axle gives right behind the splines. If the axle snaps first the u-joints have no torque applied to them to snap, if they were actually moving it would be possible to snap the u-joint afterword but the wheel stops immediately after the first snap, so no inertia to break the u-joint.
I loved when Matt pulled out the axle and the splines had snapped off. Something definitely got bound up and I'm suspecting the yoke on the stub got warped considering the U joint was snapped as well. Might be worth investing in a conversion to double cardan joints if it keeps happening. The wheel being hard over and buried does put a U joint in the weakest position.
when you watch the vid, you see that exactly happen. u-joint fails locking the wheel up (first 2 "thumps"). strain on the shaft snaps the splines clean off (3rd "thump").
@@michaelharris1455 You are absolutely right. It's been a long time since I've messed with smaller stuff like Dana 60s (In comparison to heavy duty axles for massive rigs). It would take a lot of custom fab to do that.
I had a friend who had a backhoe and a Vermeer trencher. A ride on rig that had about a 7 foot long bar with Ginormous chainsaw teeth to dig in the dirt. ANYWAY, it had Dana 60 axles under it. I can't remember how it steered so may still not work but worth looking into at least. Sorry about the banana, but you can't break what you aint got and if you got it you will break it. How else are you gonna learn what needs improvement? Keep doing the good work Matt and be careful out there, Lord knows we need you. God bless
One good thing happening with the parts breaking, soon everything will be like new again…and it looks like things are being disassembled rather easy, no frozen bolts and such! Should have a contest to see when you hit 100 rescues/recoveries with the BANANA! When, where, what and why it is being rescued!!
Saddly we have all busted our dana 44 frontends a time or two. Everytime I was pulling in reverse with good traction. I'm sure you will be super happy once you get your 60 built & installed! Bet it's going to be a tight fit. When we needed more tube surface, we lengthened axle tubes slightly & used a newer style wheel with more positive wheel offset. Sometimes an inch in design can make all the Difference. Love these old SQ bodies & this old gal has a sweet sounding cam in it!
The end of the video is classic "what not to do with a winch and recovery vehicle 101." Never reverse while pulling, never pull while winching and Spicer life series joints or DIE. That POS cheap joint just took out a couple hundred bucks worth of parts for NO reason. If you are going to push the limits of a D44 you need the white seal life series joints and just tack them in place to keep the caps from ejecting under extreme load. I've found that even full circle snap rings will fail and push a cap before the cross will break.
The Banana certainly likes to break front u-joints and front axles or whatever. I think we've seen more videos of it with 3-wheel drive than 4-wheel drive. 😅 It still does its job though... 🤣🤣🤣
Try RCV axles, I've noticed every time you've broke the stub shaft, the wheels have been turned either right or left.. those u-joints are their weakest at that degree of deflection... RCV axles are 10 times stronger at deflection than the u joint axles...
Waste of money in a D44 on 37's that sees any actual abuse. We break them like candy, D60 is what they need as they are making a living with recovery work. There is zero room for mechanical failure like this.
@@bigsexymuthashutyomouth2546 That's what I was thinking too. These folks have a plethora of offroading knowledge and experience, but one of the very first things I ever learned about 4x4s is they really don't like being turned if the hubs are locked in, especially with any sort of load. Seems almost like a rookie mistake to me.
After watching that Chevy recovery, it dawned on me why we never got into anything we couldn't get out of. We just never did anything stupid. Why don't people just get out of the vehicle and walk the trail a bit before committing a couple of tons of truck to an impossible mission. Car keys and beer don't mix!
I was thinking the same thing.. except even with LOTS of beers and weed I always checked before committing to new trails. But I suppose it might be possible these boys had done this trail in a full size at some point when it was all filled up with sand?
One tons baby!!!! We’re using a lot of back spacing to keep the Goat as narrow as possible on its Dana60 build. We’re putting in 35 spline chromoly axles on our tons! The Goat would love some ORI’s 😉 So The Banana deserves some love! Great video as always!!! ❤️🐞
Have you considered a central inflation system for the heavy wreaker? Or at least a built in compressor to air up again. Maybe even some independent air springs for those off camber rescues.
I'm so used to seeing Lizzy in some of the craziest situations and if she wasn't comfortable staying in that truck up that hill then it must of been a tough one. What does that say about Skeeter? He's nuts. 😂
@@mrbmd710 what? You know those are wear an tear parts that are commonly replaced they would not be nearly as old as the truck and on that trail we would definitely hear them popping.
Loved my k20. Had an ex forestry truck so no cat required. I have had full loads of juniper over cab high tipped over fairly good many times and was never worried about rolling. Highway speeds through windy mountain roads loaded and never worried.
The magnetic trick works great sometimes but if you have to much grese on the axel it just slips off, awesome video and great job with the recovering and God bless from GA
You know I really feel like an outsider when I watch what I think is EVERY VIDEO these guys and gals make, and I have no idea who "blur face" is. Can someone fill me in please?
I’m sure you know this , Even with D60 stub shafts go fairly easily , it’s best to not pull in reverse as the front end is loaded pretty hard in that situation and with the wheels turned makes it even worse on the joints
You took the words right out of my mouth. Thats why everybody started building articulated loaders instead of 4 wheel steered in the 70s: Doing the work with an axle with kingpins and U joints requires too much maintenance.
It's generally considered a bad idea to pull with a winch line also. It doesn't take much to create a shock load on a winch line strong enough to destroy the winch by tugging on it with a vehicle. I was really cringing watching Matt and Paul doing it in the last video. Winches really aren't designed to withstand the forces generated when a vehicle hits the end of even a little slack in the line.
Drive it, Break it, Fix it, rinse and repeat. Anyone else would have been royally pissed at the carnage. To the MORR crew its just another day at the office. Its also really interesting to someone who just never pushes his vehicles that hard.
I really question why anyone would take an old stock Chevy truck down into that hole 🤔🤯 It does make for great drama tho... Always love seeing Trevor and Lizzy doing whatever is needed... AND ohmygee Skeeter! 🤩He's a fun, capible & super cute addition to this crew! Matt, you're always all that + a bag of chips... or tacos. Always need me more MORR! 💛💛💛💛💛 Who is blurface?
Thanks! Blurred face is a man of mystery as far as this trail if you go too far off the west side of the main dunes you will get sucked down into this nasty trail
Back when I was a boy from 10 yrs old my parents had a similar truck. It had a plow & I did all the driveways in the neighborhood & even ice fish roads & rinks too. It was awesome. Tell you tips are better when you are a little one lol
Yep, they have a drone, maybe none of the crew on this recovery is trained to use it (a few people I think are though, one being Jefe), or they didn't think to bring it along on this rescue.
The break on the spline end is typical of a fatigue break. In other words, the shaft had gotten weaker over time and was just waiting for a final big load to snap. I think a metallurgist will bear me out on this . Might be time to check the other shafts for little cracks around the circumference, typically where there are sharp corners left by the cutting tool. A smooth shaft snaps in a much different pattern. Twist a piece of schoolboard chalk to see what I mean.
Yes, I have seen that many times. If it was caused by a once off overload, the break is at 45 degrees across the shaft. Twisting chalk is new for me, but I tried it and it clearly shows the 45 degree break.
Had that fatique problem with my old LandRover. It is something that just creeps up on you and one day it lets you down. If the shaft had been brand new, and snapped at the spline, the damage would have been substantial and a magnet will not pull out the remaining bit that would be jammed in there. Definitely a fatigue break, and the other shafts are probably heading the same way
Those stock shaft neck downs are an engineered weak point that concentrates twisting force rather than it spreading over the body of the shaft - which is one of the design traits that makes aftermarket shafts far superior to factory.
I was, too, but then I realised that she could see the angle of the slope better than we could. She takes plenty of risks in her life and maybe she's getting good at deciding her limits.
@@bishwatntl if you don't like it. Don’t do it. If you try, worried you might tip. You will expend 5x the energy, possibly cause it to tip by gunning it (to get out of tippy part.) When you have other driver. The one who wants to, should. I would only joking tease anyone who decided “I don’t like that angle”
I think on the passenger side they should start counting the number of broken axels/ujoints.
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THEY NEED TO SHAVE A LITTLE WEIGHT OF THAT FRONT PASSENGER SIDE / CORNER .... IT'S A LITTLE TO HEAVY ....
Repairs in general, windows, latches, whatever
Lolol but they're swapping it soon so idk how far they'll get
I Believe We Are At 3 or 4...?
My favorite line in this video is when Matt says says its not going to work and Trevor says "Not with that attitude" Classic!
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I have the greatest respect for Lizzy!
She is a great welder and fabricator a very brave young lady when it comes to rescue missions and a lot more.
And she is not to proud to say, nope this is to scary for me! And let someone else take over.
Lizzy you are a great person.
I am the dad of an 18 year old girl and you remind me of her.
I hope Matt knows how lucky he is having you on his team! I think he is.
Yup even lizzy knows her limits
@@ponyboy481 *Exactly* I am glad for Lizzy to have found her comfortable limit when it comes to this part of her job.
@@ponyboy481 she beats those limits eventually. She's gaining so much experience points every day, and this is not her whole life working for Matt.
Lizzy is more man than 80%+ of the guys in this country! I have the utmost respect for that gal. Hell, shes more man than even I am and thats hard to admit!
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I guess. Considering Skeeter still had to take over for her. 🤷🏻♂️
And yes, definitely don't admit that lol.
Great old Chevrolet 4WD pickup! Beautiful!
The FACT that the differential could twist that off is just incredible!! (people don't realize the torque required to do that lol) Matt's response is legit. Lizzy is so darn cute and wonderful! Excellent fabricator! Welder! Keep up the good work every single one of you!
Yeah that takes really much to snap that axle without twisting it.
As a retired heavy equipment mechanic of 45 years I learned a little trick to remove broken axle shafts. It requires a length of round rod ( I used 1/2" most of the time ). 1: Weld a small tab to side of one end. 2: slide a piece of heater hose over most of the length. 3:Attach the ground lead of a stick welder to the housing 4: Attach the stinger to the rod 5: Slide the rod into the housing using the hose as an insulator and weld ( more like stick ) to the the broken piece unhook the stinger when stuck. 5: Extract the broken piece, I have had to attach a slide hammer to get them out. This had worked for me more times than I can count.
Thanks for the great content
Although it’s probably a pain in the neck, I appreciate your positive attitude in the face of a setback. It is a good example for all your viewers and is fun to watch. I’m sure you’re very thankful you were able to drive it out!
There's always a smile and never a negative attitude.🇺🇸🇺🇸 Cheers Cape Town 🇿🇦
That’s a first seeing Lizzy back out on a situation, can’t say I blame her. For as much as you put it through it no wonder more things don’t break.
Watching Matt replace the U-joint shows he rehearsed like an Indy car pit crew changing tires on race day. Now he is back on track for a recovery!
yeah, I was watching that thinking... "he was breaking a lot of u-joints!"
When you've done it 3 or 4 times on that exact vehicle and you effectively designed and built the set up he's running then you probably no all the short cuts lol
This must be very gratifying to you and your wife to have your more than qualified young adults helping in your business. Hats of to you folks!!!!
Hi Matt and team, it's great to see the sense of family and comradery between everyone. Thanks for every enjoyable moment watching your videos 🙂.
Thanks for sharing! Lizzy “I’m welding it’s more funner!” Priceless! Matt “Rory you can have your axle back!”
Really enjoyed this one Matt. I love the old square bodies. Got 4 of them in the family. Very familiar with the power steering belt squeals and the door not shutting right. Typical square body Chevy stuff. As owner of numerous Dana 44s and their cousin the Corporate 10 I find it impressive that you break them that often. Guess that really illustrates the strain bigger tires and lower gears put on stuff when you put extra HP in front of it. Take care guys. Love your channel!
Some chevy trucks came with dual power steering belts. If you look long and hard enough you can find those pulleys although sometimes it is the power steering pump not making enough low rpm pressure. The only thing wrong with the door is the upper hing pin bushings are gone causing it to sag. A new upper door hinge would solve the problem as the hing pin holes are most likely slotted out from wear. A new seat or dash pad is the real bad issue. Very expensive.
@@crazyoilfieldmechanic3195 right on all counts. I've helped the door hinge before by shimming the lower hinge out but it's a band-aid not a fix. The joys of old trucks. Wouldn't trade them for anything though. I put my '79 K20 through heck and back daily on the farm and it starts up every morning wanting more. They don't build them like they used to.
When hitting the steering stop backing off a little usually helps with the squealing, needs to add a #7 to the recovery list.
@@mwfarms I'm sittin' here, watchin' this video, laughin' at all the squarebody slack bein' posted up (not your original comment though) as i've only had one of my squarebodys have a door issue - a well worn upper hinge, on an equally well worn '78 C10. Well, aside from the rust incurred by Ontario Winters, lol!
@@iffykidmn8170 Every one I've owned had the same squeal It's become so natural for me that I can tell right where that stop is and you never hear a peep out of it. Hearing the pump strain, or the belt squeal when someone holds the wheel against the lock is irritating sort of like someone chewing with their mouth open. This one sounded particularly bad, I'm betting all the sand in there doesn't help.
As a ex car mechanic but stopped and went in a different direction, I LOVED this edition! Seeing it break but.. not fully understood what broke.. Edit, it is some years ago.. so.. rust begins to form, 😁 (but inherited technology insight from my dad and working in in it (o.k. what I said, stepped into a different branch, still all technique and still between all the guys as only gal back then, a Lizzy but late '80's/90's when I started, best years of my life so I look at her and see myself from the past what truly was a huge blast and still miss it up to a huge degree! 😊 ) but back to what I was trying to say, I see what happened but ABSOLUTELY liked to see Exactly what broke, what broke even more and how it all works, a true reminder for me taking me back! So, I loved watching the recovery And the repair!
Thank you all, MORR Team! You all have a big fan over here 👊😎🤗
Nice one Matt, you and your impressive crew got the job done and completed the repair to the Banana. What more could one ask for. When I first saw the position of the truck’s front wheels, I didn’t think you were going to get it out on your own, I should have known better by this time, not to doubt you. Stay safe and stay awesome.
And without any warning snapped U joint lol i caught the sarcasm there. Love Matt’s sense of humor. Makes this channel fun to watch.
Time for a Dana 60, use a super duty and cut 9" off the long end to get that stock width.
Love them "Square Bodies" too Skeeter, I have 2 of them, an 85' 3/4 ton, and an 86' half ton...😉
Nice!
Love the last shot of Matt. He looks so proud and happy, as he should. Great team, great recovery 👍 👏 👌 💪
You all make a great team. It’s sure been fun watching MORR continue to evolve.
Lizzy you are just awesome. You know when you are not comfortable doing something and act on it. Thank you. You
saved this grandmother from trying to help you from my chair at home. Lol. All of you guys are awesome too. Love all of y’all.
Matt you are a great teacher and you look out for your crew. God bless 👍👍👍👍❤️❤️❤️❤️🌟🌟🌟🌟🙏
The ole square body sounds niiicceeee!!!
Just watched the video with the visit to PA with the bikes and beards guys. I love how much respect you all show Ed. And it was cool seeing him tell stories.
Honestly, I just love the episodes with Lizzy in them. She is something special..for sure.
bro ur 50
I’m sure you already know, but the cold forged Spicer U-joints are one of the best if not the best oem type U-joint. The next step up would be something like the yukon. Back when my rock crawler was half ton I went through multiple axle shafts due to the skf U-joints until someone told me about Spicer’s being better. Now it’s got D-60’s with cold forged Spicer joints and I have had zero problems.
Great video Matt. That was a nasty trail. Lizzy did good as usual and the rest of the team. What a job repairing those busted parts. Enjoyed it. Thanks 👍👍👍❤️
I kind of enjoyed Matt enthusiastically screaming and gesticulating to tell Ed what's happened ^^
Couldn’t stop laughing at Matt’s reaction after he pulls the shaft out and sees the damage.
Matt, as he’s pulling the shaft: “This one’s ruined too.”
After he pulls out the shaft and sees the damage: “Holy smokes!!” Stares in disbelief.
There is a trade-off in every modification, oh well, we love to watch you guys fix the things you break.
Yep, every time strengthen something, you just move the weak point to another spot, but there will always be a weak point.
Square body is my favourite truck. Lots of great memories for me. My first truck as a 1985 gmc 350 4 barrel. It was 16 years old when I bought it. Great road trips and camping with that old truck.
Scouting on foot might be a great reason to keep a drone charged up. Used on rescue/recovery pretty regularly these days.
They do have one, not sure why it was not with them. Perhaps no one on this rescue was trained to us it, so had to do it the old fashioned way.
@@johnhpalmer6098 - two way radios with headsets would also help for all spotters and drivers
@@truthserum9157 That too.
9:56 Impeccable collaboration
Ed needs to be weatherman as much as possible, Wise weatherman right there!
Lizzie,
When you turn the wheel and it begins squealing just back off just until it quits squealing. You gain no extra turning radius by making the unit squeal. It does damage the pump when you make it squeal.
I love how an axle replacement is little more than a roadside repair for you guys.
Yeah I saw the title of the video and my first thought was "Oh they'll be fine. They can fix anything." Matt really does make it look like changing an axle is routine.
It's really the reason I love this channel. Matt is one of the most competent off road drivers and one of the most competent mechanics on UA-cam.
@@davidpetro7309 to be fair, Matt's probably changed enough axles over the years to the point where I'd imaging it IS pretty routine. And on the Banana, those front hub are taken apart frequently enough that the bolts don't have time to seize and become tough to remove. 😉
I mean if you have everything you need then whats the difference in having it in the garage?
Matt your a great saver. Great show. That white truck was in trouble. Thank's for yankum him out. Johnny loves Lizzy cool. That's my name.
When I started racing motocross (we called it scrambles back then) 55 years ago, I put a Greeves top end on a Villiers engine. It was way faster, but it destroyed three gearboxes before I accepted it was a bad idea and got another bike. It was a lot of fun, and a big learning experience though.
Hey Matt it's easy to narrow a Dana 60. Buy an inner axle cut it shorter then cut new splines on a mill. Grind the weld off and hammer off the ball joint holder then cut the tube hammer it back on and weld it. Be sure it goes on at same angle for steering.
This is definitely one of those deals where you see it on camera and say "why'd they even need a winch?" because it doesn't look as nearly bad an angle as it actually is.
I was thinkin the same thing, but then I realized that the camera has to be creating a bit of an illusion because even Trevor's gut instinct was to grab hold of the rear corner in case it started to teeter up and he had to hop up and put his body weight on it.
But yeah, on camera it kinda looked like they could just drive that old chevy up and over and out of there.
Yeah, that was some sketchy shiz. Lol. The camera definitely didnt do that justice.
yup, when Matt had them put that extra chunk of wood on top of the T to lift that side the calculations blew my mind!
Youran it's worse than it looks
Steepness is really hard to see on a camera. Not sure why.. but nothing ever looks as steep on camera.
Hey dude, Been watching your channel for about a year now and gotta say that the bit here on the u joint extraction and repair is really as interesting as the other recovery content. The editing is what makes it flow so well. I would imagine you might morph from only recovery content to recovery AND rebuild and repair in one video, per video drop.... just my two cents.
That is an awesome little trap those guys got themselves into.
That squared body is a pile
@@comptonoverland7442 No wonder the guy didn't want his face shown, I'd be ashamed too.
Thanks for showing the repairs at the end too! Enjoyed that. Great video as always!
East Coast Gear Supply makes a front Dana 60 for XJ with widths at 65.5", 67", or 69.5". Teraflex also builds front dana 60 for TJ in 63.5" or 67". Would that work for you?
I think Matt likes using a common size part so spares are cheap compared to breaking a custom sized axle. That being said, without custom upgraded parts even back when I had one (the 90's) I thought I was pushing my luck with 35" tires on a Ford Dana 44 (78 F-150).
That old Chevy sounds great.
That square body sounded real good!!
"Lizzy know how to drive a farm truck?" 🥳. Hahaha too funny. Lizzy know-.
Lake Havasu 🌞 Az
Been binge watching all these Utah recovery videos and find them absolutely fascinating. I think the first one was recommended after HeavyD's Lake Mead rescue and I haven't stopped watching since.
I cannot believe how many people get stuck and what were they thinking prior to getting stranded 😳
And even better matt never says anything to the client about how they ended up stuck.
I've adapted that to my business , no complaining to clients !!
@@deebiz3500 ya, but I think everyone lacks critical thinking skills these days except you recovery guys that assess the situation and take action.
Sure some people don't give a hoot after beaching their 60K$ truck and need assistance ... but I ride dirtbikes and quads and haven't been stranded for my off road adventures.
Another great video. Matt I love your attitude when something goes wrong, your like O well and just fix it. You have a great crew that your teaching too.
Now I need to know who "Blur Face" is.
After the chirp she closes the door like a classy woman gentle with her pinky up smirk on her face !!! Go Lizzy!!!!!
wow... first 2 pops were the U-Joint giving out, 3rd pop was the shaft going. If you are gonna break it, might as well do it good! Love the vids and the whole crew, You guys and gals are a joy to watch no matter what you are into. You all rock!
More likely otherway,
shaft is heavier, so takes more to pop, that unloading has caused U-joint to unload ,
your suggested way shaft would be unlikely to pop secondary to the U-joint letting go being the heavier item....
@@davidp8157 Not if the axle locked up after the u-joint snapped, which is a possibility, and likely what happened. U-joint snaps, axle falls and binds, axle gives right behind the splines. If the axle snaps first the u-joints have no torque applied to them to snap, if they were actually moving it would be possible to snap the u-joint afterword but the wheel stops immediately after the first snap, so no inertia to break the u-joint.
AWESOME JOB EVERYONE!... thanks 4 video. be kind.
I loved when Matt pulled out the axle and the splines had snapped off. Something definitely got bound up and I'm suspecting the yoke on the stub got warped considering the U joint was snapped as well. Might be worth investing in a conversion to double cardan joints if it keeps happening. The wheel being hard over and buried does put a U joint in the weakest position.
when you watch the vid, you see that exactly happen. u-joint fails locking the wheel up (first 2 "thumps"). strain on the shaft snaps the splines clean off (3rd "thump").
@@johnhufnagel would have been too much to let out some winch line get around the corner and winch back in again.
Um.....
I've seen double cardan joints on drive lines, but never on an axle shaft, don't know how it would fit.......
@@michaelharris1455 You are absolutely right. It's been a long time since I've messed with smaller stuff like Dana 60s (In comparison to heavy duty axles for massive rigs). It would take a lot of custom fab to do that.
All he needs is some rcvs end of problems
I had a friend who had a backhoe and a Vermeer trencher. A ride on rig that had about a 7 foot long bar with Ginormous chainsaw teeth to dig in the dirt. ANYWAY, it had Dana 60 axles under it. I can't remember how it steered so may still not work but worth looking into at least. Sorry about the banana, but you can't break what you aint got and if you got it you will break it. How else are you gonna learn what needs improvement? Keep doing the good work Matt and be careful out there, Lord knows we need you. God bless
Loved the recovery and the repair; bonus today!
Good rescue guys, to bad the jeep broke but you guys stepped up to the plate and got it handled, as always.
One good thing happening with the parts breaking, soon everything will be like new again…and it looks like things are being disassembled rather easy, no frozen bolts and such!
Should have a contest to see when you hit 100 rescues/recoveries with the BANANA! When, where, what and why it is being rescued!!
Saddly we have all busted our dana 44 frontends a time or two. Everytime I was pulling in reverse with good traction. I'm sure you will be super happy once you get your 60 built & installed! Bet it's going to be a tight fit. When we needed more tube surface, we lengthened axle tubes slightly & used a newer style wheel with more positive wheel offset. Sometimes an inch in design can make all the Difference. Love these old SQ bodies & this old gal has a sweet sounding cam in it!
The end of the video is classic "what not to do with a winch and recovery vehicle 101." Never reverse while pulling, never pull while winching and Spicer life series joints or DIE. That POS cheap joint just took out a couple hundred bucks worth of parts for NO reason. If you are going to push the limits of a D44 you need the white seal life series joints and just tack them in place to keep the caps from ejecting under extreme load. I've found that even full circle snap rings will fail and push a cap before the cross will break.
Matt working from an office chair; priceless!
Might be worth upgrading to rcv axle shafts or something. Much stronger when wheels are turned and torque applied.
They're silly expensive depending on the axle. Like $2,700+ unfortunately.
Yea, RCVs aren't cheap. Looks like they are about $1600/set for that Wagonner front axle if its from a 74-79.
@matt
In 2wd frontdrive mode there is the doubel nm on 1 axle instead of half nm on two axels!!!!!
Great job!!!!!
Morning Matt and crew! Have a great day. Happy Canada day to yall down there!
Wow! Excess of 100 degree temperatures, finding the vehicle, you and your team are awesome!
"Me and Skeeter are gunna wait by the bathroom to be picked up!!"
That ain't right. 🥺
I saw a "Matt's Recovery T-Shirt" in Carson City, Nevada, today. 😁
The Banana certainly likes to break front u-joints and front axles or whatever. I think we've seen more videos of it with 3-wheel drive than 4-wheel drive. 😅
It still does its job though... 🤣🤣🤣
Gotta love Lizzy's enthusiasm... OHH LOVELY, YAY!!!
Try RCV axles, I've noticed every time you've broke the stub shaft, the wheels have been turned either right or left.. those u-joints are their weakest at that degree of deflection... RCV axles are 10 times stronger at deflection than the u joint axles...
Waste of money in a D44 on 37's that sees any actual abuse. We break them like candy, D60 is what they need as they are making a living with recovery work. There is zero room for mechanical failure like this.
@@D3thM3tal - nails it bro.
He has a D60 he just need to put it on
@@D3thM3tal I think this is first time I heard someone complain about D60 being too wide
Use your winch …. More control
Respect mate you treat all cars the same but this old girl got a bit more love
Having the front wheels turned likely helped destroy that Front Drive.
That's what i thought. Just asking for it.
It was more the fact that he was reversing while winching. You'll snap an axle just about every time you are doing this.
@@bigsexymuthashutyomouth2546 That's what I was thinking too. These folks have a plethora of offroading knowledge and experience, but one of the very first things I ever learned about 4x4s is they really don't like being turned if the hubs are locked in, especially with any sort of load. Seems almost like a rookie mistake to me.
Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do….
Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do….
Old Square body looks good. Makes me wish I still had mine.
After watching that Chevy recovery, it dawned on me why we never got into anything we couldn't get out of.
We just never did anything stupid. Why don't people just get out of the vehicle and walk the trail a bit before committing a couple of tons of truck to an impossible mission. Car keys and beer don't mix!
Flag on the back explains it all.
I was thinking the same thing.. except even with LOTS of beers and weed I always checked before committing to new trails.
But I suppose it might be possible these boys had done this trail in a full size at some point when it was all filled up with sand?
So many people in the back country these days it stands to reason some of 'em aint gonna be real bright.....
Keys and alcohol are like peanut butter and jelly. They just go together.
Car keys beer and sand mix very well 🙂.. until they don't🤣🤣🤣🍺🍺🍺🍺🥴🚛 🍺
The 6 things should be made into a song, then a ringtone!! I'd roll that!! 👍
One tons baby!!!! We’re using a lot of back spacing to keep the Goat as narrow as possible on its Dana60 build.
We’re putting in 35 spline chromoly axles on our tons!
The Goat would love some ORI’s 😉
So The Banana deserves some love!
Great video as always!!! ❤️🐞
Have you considered a central inflation system for the heavy wreaker? Or at least a built in compressor to air up again. Maybe even some independent air springs for those off camber rescues.
I'm so used to seeing Lizzy in some of the craziest situations and if she wasn't comfortable staying in that truck up that hill then it must of been a tough one. What does that say about Skeeter? He's nuts. 😂
I don't blame Lizzy for not wanting to be in a that old chevy probably has bad tie rods etc.
@@mrbmd710 time to start leaving her at the shop and get rid of the dead weight.
Skeeter shows us how the door is likely to pop open, still doesn't put on a seatbelt.
@@mrbmd710 what? You know those are wear an tear parts that are commonly replaced they would not be nearly as old as the truck and on that trail we would definitely hear them popping.
@@tylerbailey470 Yea I my 1979 chevy Tie Rods only last me about 50k miles.
Loved my k20. Had an ex forestry truck so no cat required. I have had full loads of juniper over cab high tipped over fairly good many times and was never worried about rolling. Highway speeds through windy mountain roads loaded and never worried.
The magnetic trick works great sometimes but if you have to much grese on the axel it just slips off, awesome video and great job with the recovering and God bless from GA
7.00 Fair play to Lizzie with her big Turtle or Bullfrog or Tadpole eyes but she can really see where she is going
You know I really feel like an outsider when I watch what I think is EVERY VIDEO these guys and gals make, and I have no idea who "blur face" is. Can someone fill me in please?
Love the content, for sure my #1 channel currently! Looking forward to the D60 build!
The fender flare makes a really nice parts shelf...
That engine in that Chevy sounds good
I’m sure you know this , Even with D60 stub shafts go fairly easily , it’s best to not pull in reverse as the front end is loaded pretty hard in that situation and with the wheels turned makes it even worse on the joints
True, cars are designed strong forward.
Hahaha your right heaps of angle buried wheel reverse etc your asking alot of any front axle to be honest
You took the words right out of my mouth. Thats why everybody started building articulated loaders instead of 4 wheel steered in the 70s: Doing the work with an axle with kingpins and U joints requires too much maintenance.
It's generally considered a bad idea to pull with a winch line also. It doesn't take much to create a shock load on a winch line strong enough to destroy the winch by tugging on it with a vehicle. I was really cringing watching Matt and Paul doing it in the last video. Winches really aren't designed to withstand the forces generated when a vehicle hits the end of even a little slack in the line.
@@wirebrush if I’m not mistaken they have their own kinetic winch line
Don’t give up Lizzie ever it’s great experience you’ll remember this stuff the rest of your like please don’t ever give up 💯💪
The DJI Mini would be great for locating vehicles in this situation
Drive it, Break it, Fix it, rinse and repeat. Anyone else would have been royally pissed at the carnage. To the MORR crew its just another day at the office. Its also really interesting to someone who just never pushes his vehicles that hard.
I really question why anyone would take an old stock Chevy truck down into that hole 🤔🤯 It does make for great drama tho...
Always love seeing Trevor and Lizzy doing whatever is needed... AND ohmygee Skeeter! 🤩He's a fun, capible & super cute addition to this crew! Matt, you're always all that + a bag of chips... or tacos. Always need me more MORR! 💛💛💛💛💛
Who is blurface?
Thanks! Blurred face is a man of mystery as far as this trail if you go too far off the west side of the main dunes you will get sucked down into this nasty trail
I can't start my day without my Matt's Off Road Recovery video so if there's nothing new, I start watching the old video's! Love your channel!
You know what Ed just makes the videos....
Nice shirt Skeeter---class act!
Back when I was a boy from 10 yrs old my parents had a similar truck. It had a plow & I did all the driveways in the neighborhood & even ice fish roads & rinks too. It was awesome. Tell you tips are better when you are a little one lol
It’s fun watching the old ones to see how far you guys have come, but you use some serious ingenuity back in the old days
As an old farmer once advised a friend and I riding in his old square body: "Don't fall out the dang door."
I love the way that Chevy motor sounds. :) I just might have an aftermarket cam in it . . . LOL.
If only you guys had a camera that could remotely fly around.
You could spot your stranded customers from the air.
Wait..a...minute....
I know they have one, i see high footage once in awhile, they should also use two way radios headsets.
😆
Yep, they have a drone, maybe none of the crew on this recovery is trained to use it (a few people I think are though, one being Jefe), or they didn't think to bring it along on this rescue.
Matt says you can't see much on the screen due to its size, I've already said about VR goggles.
@@truthserum9157 It's been said, I can't understand why they don't instead of yelling between vehicles.
The break on the spline end is typical of a fatigue break. In other words, the shaft had gotten weaker over time and was just waiting for a final big load to snap. I think a metallurgist will bear me out on this . Might be time to check the other shafts for little cracks around the circumference, typically where there are sharp corners left by the cutting tool. A smooth shaft snaps in a much different pattern. Twist a piece of schoolboard chalk to see what I mean.
Yes, I have seen that many times. If it was caused by a once off overload, the break is at 45 degrees across the shaft. Twisting chalk is new for me, but I tried it and it clearly shows the 45 degree break.
Had that fatique problem with my old LandRover. It is something that just creeps up on you and one day it lets you down. If the shaft had been brand new, and snapped at the spline, the damage would have been substantial and a magnet will not pull out the remaining bit that would be jammed in there. Definitely a fatigue break, and the other shafts are probably heading the same way
Those stock shaft neck downs are an engineered weak point that concentrates twisting force rather than it spreading over the body of the shaft - which is one of the design traits that makes aftermarket shafts far superior to factory.
I’m so surprised that Lizzie handed over the wheel to Skeeter!
I was, too, but then I realised that she could see the angle of the slope better than we could. She takes plenty of risks in her life and maybe she's getting good at deciding her limits.
I'm surprised she don't know to ease off the steering to avoid cooking the belt out it.
She's smart, she knows her limits. That was a lot steeper than it looked on camera.
@@bishwatntl if you don't like it. Don’t do it. If you try, worried you might tip. You will expend 5x the energy, possibly cause it to tip by gunning it (to get out of tippy part.) When you have other driver. The one who wants to, should. I would only joking tease anyone who decided “I don’t like that angle”
I think that despite Skeeter's best efforts Lizzy is still 'top dog'
Oh.. The good ol'days.. Where power steering squeel-skreetch was the norm... Don't miss that