@@kabaluwamunyima2620 yaba. Elon has been intergreted into government not for what government has to pay him No boss. It's for what he has. Prof. Chilwa wanted Zambia government to pay for his dreams. I does not work that way. Ever. That is why he failed to work at Zambia railways. Look at Trade Kings or any other manufacturers in Zambia. Are they asking for government to recognize them or pay them for dreams no!! They manufacture and make their own millions. Look at Mikalile. This man wants to be spoon fed. He wanted to start a car assembly plant here in Zambia. He was given a go ahead. He failed.
The only man who tells/ who can tell and spit truth to the governments in good faith. Indeed he loves his country. If you love someone you'd want to tell them the truth and nothing but the truth
The time this country needs such people like you they vanish with our taxes. We need actions not just words because I truly believe in your ideas but i have to see actions moving forward and empower those with great minds
Job well done son of the soil. There's a saying, if one keeps hitting on one spot, the resultant force is going to weaken that spot. Keep up the good work Engineer Prof. Clive Chirwa
But does the government and Zambians in general have the resources to run the same mines? Let's be honest. What will happen is that the same mines will end up on the stock exchange and eventually bought by private IU investors.
A person like him just needs to be used as a consultant in the business sector & especially in the area of engineering. We also need him to supervise projects engaged in making finished products from our minerals
he once was in Zambia but got fired for staying in an expensive house and charged with proceeds of crime. He won the cases and sued for govt. He won and compensated with alot of money
It's the same with Business men. Some people are better off being advisors to the government of the day. That's also a contribution to the well being of the country.
We cannot doubt the integrity of these words shared here... I am only concerned of the fact that, as always, we speak well, clap after the speeches but no one is acting on the same. Can someone challenge me with action points from this gathering and a single action of the same even 5 or 10 years after...
@@tamaniphiri6681 I agree with you. These are just people gathered with the eyes firmly fixed on how they can partake on the Zambian market using politics. Real entrepreneurs like trade Kings, Mikalile etc are out there making actual products instead of having fancy gatherings about dreams.
The best Zambia can get from Professor Clive Chirwa is for him to be the president so that these ideas he can reinforce them , than working under someone who is going to fear him as a threat to his presidency. ... We're tired of none materializing promises. Now it's time for real men of action to lead Zambia.
Prof. Chirwa is a rare gem and true asset whom Zambia as a country has failed to tap into his talent and professional experience due to petty jealousies by some few fellow learned individuals and false accusers, especially during the PF regime when the late president assigned him to help Zambia Railways
The audio is terrible. However I have known Clive Chirwa for almost 2 decades now. Levy Mwanawasa had problems with him. Michael Sata had problems with him? And the last two just ignored him. Now what is the problem? Is the problem himself or the last four presidents? I think our approach with him is that we can ignore the messenger but let us embrace his message. It (message) is our message: it is painful to watch our copper, cobalt, gold, silver, manganese, nickel, uranium, lithium and other minerals leaving our country in their raw form to go and enrich the Chinese, Americans, Switz, British, Australians, Indians, Europeans while we suffer dirt poor! We must nationalise our minerals and all the means of production asap.
But why isn't the cameraman showing us the things prof Clive Chirwa is alluding to? The man is referring to things probably beamed in that presentation room. You will do well to incorporate the presentation.
Too much politics in this country! Developed countries have engaged this man to add to their growth because they understand special skills. We have been sleeping on this man’s contribution to the country. Under the leadership of President Sata he was engaged to develop a modern train and he did a 3D full design and presented it to the president, if not for politics that would be a viable means of modern transport in our country today.
@@davidwalusa51I think you know Zambia is a joke of a country. In that sense he can have the ideas that have worked but here in Zambia it’s all about politics………
These intellectuals should come together and come up with an Industrial policy framework for the mines, energy, manufacturing, agriculture, forestry, Land and other sectors for the next 50-100..
Prof. Chirwa needs to be allowed space and resources to build a team that he can work with to actualize his plans. The problem is there is just too many regulatory bodies. Am not just sure what they are scared of.
Technocrats will always find it hard to function properly in Zambia as long as we don't change the system of governance. Political interference is highly cherished in democracy. If he could be part of the Light of Zambia Movement, his knowledge and experience would be properly tapped into for the betterment of our country
Sata gave this man a chance to serve the nation when he was appointed MD at Railways, were he was tasked to change the face of rail transportation in Zambia. It's his fellow professors like Oliver Saasa who were board members that managed to bring him down before he could do anything sensible
Brilliant submission. Was Govt listening to this? We have what it takes to develop our beloved country. Someone to please copy and paste that formula he alluded to.
You have always spoken well about Zambia.And your ideas are always sound and knowledgeable sir 👌but why is the Zambian government not applying or buying into your knowledge is what i would to know and again just to top it up governments have come and gone, and this man our very own has been around advising rather giving solution and that just makes me wonder who has bewitched us as a country b'coz this is not normal looking at the knowledge this man possesses, oh my Lord! Or if it's jealous, then what kind of jealous na be this please i just can't believe it b'coz his ideas and knowledge are working in other countries, seriously there must be a problem somewhere.
This is "How a life of an Engineer can change lives for better". We the so called "Engineers" of today spend lots of time speaking English, worse with the advent of AI. It will take another Generation to achieve Research driven development through innovation and entrepreneurship like they "the chirwas, gates jobs, bazos, jack ma & musk" did without much of AI. We are now journalists, reporting what others have done.
I actually though of that zambia mines must not have access to international the government must be the sole buyer of copper if we can't make value addition to our copper atleast we can generate revenue from it...
He was asking for millions of dollars from the government. He failed at Zambia Railways. That was the genesis of his criticism and failure in Zambia. As an entrepreneur, he was supposed to break even within the economy with his brilliant ideas and not lean on politics and demand a high pay cheque from the government. The likes of Dangote or Elon Musk provided solutions directly to people. With due respect, manufacture something. Look at trade kings. Stay away from politicians and short cuts to wealth.
These guys have made it outside Zambia, there idears are good but only to big companies,coz in Zambia ssm can grow everything is badly taxed banks interest rate is very high ,just to maintain business account you need K100 per month how do you grow, even to win a contract from GRZ its not easy corruption all over
This message was just too important for it's presentation. The video was poorly done and presentation, making very challenging for this important message to more visible
Maybe Sata failed to work with him because of public embarrassment. I also wouldn't if he has not engaged me in private but runs to trash my efforts in public. Education is trash, lobito corridor is trash, trash trash trash. Okay, yes and true to some extent. Question is how many private engagements have been done and how many changes have been suggested to improve the trashed undertakings? Maybe the PS excused himself from this public trashing. We need him to help the country in a dignified way. Even small kids deserve some level of respect through their mistakes and chasing of shadows.
He is living out of his time and bringing old glory to a different generation. He is also trying to solve too many problems without a clear philosophy. He is trashing the west but at the same time benefiting from their investments. He should be proving with facts and not cheap politicking. Many experts have tried to argue from enlightened school of thought but end up performing badly once given instrument of power. Power is sweet and it should never be given to hungry people.
@@paulnkumbula2465is there anyone benefiting from 'western investment' in Zambia apart from Hakainde Hichilema who gets bribes to undermine his country, literally?
In his quest to spark interest I lost interest during his first 7 minutes introduction. Since I'm not one of the educated illiterates in this country as he said it I stopped to research his claims in the intro most of them which are not verifiable. Like him designing the ford fiesta, writing of the 216 standard, being the reason the world wears seat belts. His company having over 200 engineers, when it barely has 30 employees.. Don't be the credulous educated illiterate in our country..Do your research 😂
This HH of ours can't do that, especially where mining is concerned, coz he has decided to put the mines in the hands of the colonizers, his masters when majority of the people are suffering
The reason why we don't develop in Zambia politicians are too powerful, hence they think they are engineers, they are professors, they are lawyers, they are technocrats themselves, when in actual sense most politicians are village fools, who should just be listening to the technocrats on how to run the affairs of the nation
The Elon Musk of Zambia - he needed to head a separate special unit under the President so that he doesn't get tainted in the polarised governance system in most government ministries and SOEs.
The government does not work… I went to CBU because you were the Dean… but when I got there… you were no where to be seen… so I dropped out and went to law school… I can’t be taught by lesser men
What he has , can no implemented in zambia but on pap theories like imf and wb economic theories No one will be willing to wait. In zambia people are lazy wants free hand outs, talking about investment that may take 10years 15yrs, will be accused of lying. So better stay there
The man is just an academician. Let him stick to his field, where he has done wonders I must admit. When he talks economics, he is just mumbling. We can use him in the field of engineering.
We should certainly use him in the field of engineering & make Zamcab, which should be mandatory for taxis & minibuses or buses. Malaysia made their own car to be used for taxis & no other car was allowed to be used for taxis (from what I was told there) & now their car industry has developed & is also found in other countries. We can do the same too
He is stepping on a lot of toes for an engineer or academician. He should understand the concept of globalization and comparative advantage. Most of his thoughts can be challenged from different perspectives. He is just a politician still at the end of it all. Let him just start a party🤭
@@muhammadnawaz5039 unless if you think you can survive without others. As for Zambia we cant survive without others even the same copper you need to sell it to others and dont forget we are not the only ones producing it.
I'm trying to grasp what the professor is saying, but it looks like an empty talk. These are signs of a psychopath. He has the opportunity to help this country but he is failing. I wonder what advise he gives the west.
There something he did which did not impress sata. These are people are good at talking not helping zambia. No wonder we are even failing to make tooth picks or razor blade. Chinese are the people who are making these things
O think you don't know the person you are talking about this man. This man is a gem! That's why whites can not. Let go of him. They can't really do without people like him in technological advancement
You obviously did hear what he was saying or you decided not to hear. Look him up. With all the projects that he is helping other countries and his achievements. You have the audacity to say his just good at talking? He tried to help this country and because of the dull politics you rubbished his work. He is one of the few Zambian who are making global impact and have a passion to help his country. It's just lack of political will, remember good solutions mostly don't have the backing of the pipo we owe money.
@@natashailunga4818 Which countries has this Congole Refugee helped iwe mwankole? He was head of Zambia Railways for years. What did he achieve or change there? Other than being an adviser? as he always claims. He profession is Engineering. And not Advisory. Any one can be an adviser, even a Baboon sometimes can advise you better, but, a Baboon will never, ever, be an Engineer.
It is not Sata per se. If I remember well, it was the Zambia Railways Board that suspended and fired him. He won the case and got compensated for his wrongful dismissal.
Wow! A knowledgeable man whose practicality is this versatile is a national asset, his wits in transportation left me in awe, it's jaw dropping 😮
this guy has a deep pool of knowledge and experience which can benefit some sectors of our country. We need to find a place for him
They are afraid of him……that’s why they can’t bring him in Zambia. They think he’ll be a threat
Just like how Elon has been integrated into the govt
@@kabaluwamunyima2620 yaba. Elon has been intergreted into government not for what government has to pay him No boss. It's for what he has. Prof. Chilwa wanted Zambia government to pay for his dreams. I does not work that way. Ever. That is why he failed to work at Zambia railways. Look at Trade Kings or any other manufacturers in Zambia. Are they asking for government to recognize them or pay them for dreams no!! They manufacture and make their own millions. Look at Mikalile. This man wants to be spoon fed. He wanted to start a car assembly plant here in Zambia. He was given a go ahead. He failed.
I must admit The Prof hit the nail on the mining sector...He couldn't have said it any better 🤝👌👌
The only man who tells/ who can tell and spit truth to the governments in good faith. Indeed he loves his country. If you love someone you'd want to tell them the truth and nothing but the truth
Our government will do well to use him where he’s good with his talents than treat him like the way Sata & PF treated him.
The time this country needs such people like you they vanish with our taxes. We need actions not just words because I truly believe in your ideas but i have to see actions moving forward and empower those with great minds
Job well done son of the soil. There's a saying, if one keeps hitting on one spot, the resultant force is going to weaken that spot. Keep up the good work Engineer Prof. Clive Chirwa
"Umupama pamo utula ing'oma". 😂😂 I get your point.
@williammuma5144 well spoken.
This man has what it takes to develop Zambia
Only if we make the head of state
Him*
And we tried to pull him down in Zambia. This man can help the nation look up. He's brilliant.
Wise advice Prof. Clive. Will support your innovation. Yes we can…
We need that train project to be revived in Zambia
He tried that. He was arrested.
This is a man who was consulted by NASA, and we locked him up
Yes & GRZ should engage him on it than leave it to the Chinese alone
It can't work because we have educated useless and jealous people
Great ideas Africa really can transform itself. Prof you're right. Mines must be owned by Zambia government and Zambian.
But does the government and Zambians in general have the resources to run the same mines? Let's be honest. What will happen is that the same mines will end up on the stock exchange and eventually bought by private IU investors.
I wish this man and many more like him could lead our country too. Zambia is searching for true messiahs to deliver her from the chains of poverty.
A person like him just needs to be used as a consultant in the business sector & especially in the area of engineering. We also need him to supervise projects engaged in making finished products from our minerals
Zambians let's protect this man by all cost🤝🤝🤝
he once was in Zambia but got fired for staying in an expensive house and charged with proceeds of crime. He won the cases and sued for govt. He won and compensated with alot of money
It would be great to have an Engineer to be leader of our beloved country. Let him stand for presidency we shall vote for him
I am with you on that one and to draw an industrial policy framework that would be in place for the next 50-100 years..
He was heading Zambia Railways and has he bus, which have had limited success. I haven't seen any qualities to show he can successfully run a country
They fought him tooth and nail some of these useless politicians including some useless Prof.
You should campaign for him
It's the same with Business men. Some people are better off being advisors to the government of the day. That's also a contribution to the well being of the country.
This is a man for the moment
. Hope the Government Republic of Zambia will utilise him
I love his integrity
If he were to stand, I would vote for him, no question about it.
We cannot doubt the integrity of these words shared here...
I am only concerned of the fact that, as always, we speak well, clap after the speeches but no one is acting on the same.
Can someone challenge me with action points from this gathering and a single action of the same even 5 or 10 years after...
Imagine how the Zambia Railway system would be now, if Government took his vision serious.
@@tamaniphiri6681 I agree with you. These are just people gathered with the eyes firmly fixed on how they can partake on the Zambian market using politics. Real entrepreneurs like trade Kings, Mikalile etc are out there making actual products instead of having fancy gatherings about dreams.
One of the best to ever do it
The best Zambia can get from Professor Clive Chirwa is for him to be the president so that these ideas he can reinforce them , than working under someone who is going to fear him as a threat to his presidency. ... We're tired of none materializing promises. Now it's time for real men of action to lead Zambia.
I think let's try this man
Prof. Chirwa is a rare gem and true asset whom Zambia as a country has failed to tap into his talent and professional experience due to petty jealousies by some few fellow learned individuals and false accusers, especially during the PF regime when the late president assigned him to help Zambia Railways
The audio is terrible. However I have known Clive Chirwa for almost 2 decades now. Levy Mwanawasa had problems with him. Michael Sata had problems with him? And the last two just ignored him. Now what is the problem? Is the problem himself or the last four presidents? I think our approach with him is that we can ignore the messenger but let us embrace his message. It (message) is our message: it is painful to watch our copper, cobalt, gold, silver, manganese, nickel, uranium, lithium and other minerals leaving our country in their raw form to go and enrich the Chinese, Americans, Switz, British, Australians, Indians, Europeans while we suffer dirt poor! We must nationalise our minerals and all the means of production asap.
Unfortunately the slides are not visible to us so following is difficult.
We will update the video and make available one with slides soon
But why isn't the cameraman showing us the things prof Clive Chirwa is alluding to? The man is referring to things probably beamed in that presentation room. You will do well to incorporate the presentation.
This man came under the leadership of Sata, but remember how he was treated by his opponents like a criminal
This man did nothing at zambia railways, imagine look at his age where has he been, what has he done for the country, too much comedy in zambia.
Too much politics in this country! Developed countries have engaged this man to add to their growth because they understand special skills. We have been sleeping on this man’s contribution to the country. Under the leadership of President Sata he was engaged to develop a modern train and he did a 3D full design and presented it to the president, if not for politics that would be a viable means of modern transport in our country today.
Imagine. Yet NASA, consults him regularly
@@malexmalembeka4995which NASA and what did he do there? Most Zambians you just say things because of social media rumors.
@@davidwalusa51I think you know Zambia is a joke of a country. In that sense he can have the ideas that have worked but here in Zambia it’s all about politics………
Volume not properly edited
Cameraman this is not 1980 show us the products the prof is talking about
Insightful
Wise man
These intellectuals should come together and come up with an Industrial policy framework for the mines, energy, manufacturing, agriculture, forestry, Land and other sectors for the next 50-100..
Prof. Chirwa needs to be allowed space and resources to build a team that he can work with to actualize his plans.
The problem is there is just too many regulatory bodies. Am not just sure what they are scared of.
@mukumbutasimasiku5875 you make a very good point right there
Technocrats will always find it hard to function properly in Zambia as long as we don't change the system of governance. Political interference is highly cherished in democracy. If he could be part of the Light of Zambia Movement, his knowledge and experience would be properly tapped into for the betterment of our country
Sound quality is horrible 😢😢
If only we had more of such men
Prof just come be our president...we at tired of visionless politician 😢
The man you can only find in England books of engineering
❤
The President needs to be close friends with him.
Sata gave this man a chance to serve the nation when he was appointed MD at Railways, were he was tasked to change the face of rail transportation in Zambia.
It's his fellow professors like Oliver Saasa who were board members that managed to bring him down before he could do anything sensible
❤❤❤❤❤❤
Brilliant submission. Was Govt listening to this? We have what it takes to develop our beloved country. Someone to please copy and paste that formula he alluded to.
You have always spoken well about Zambia.And your ideas are always sound and knowledgeable sir 👌but why is the Zambian government not applying or buying into your knowledge is what i would to know and again just to top it up governments have come and gone, and this man our very own has been around advising rather giving solution and that just makes me wonder who has bewitched us as a country b'coz this is not normal looking at the knowledge this man possesses, oh my Lord! Or if it's jealous, then what kind of jealous na be this please i just can't believe it b'coz his ideas and knowledge are working in other countries, seriously there must be a problem somewhere.
This is "How a life of an Engineer can change lives for better". We the so called "Engineers" of today spend lots of time speaking English, worse with the advent of AI. It will take another Generation to achieve Research driven development through innovation and entrepreneurship like they "the chirwas, gates jobs, bazos, jack ma & musk" did without much of AI. We are now journalists, reporting what others have done.
I actually though of that zambia mines must not have access to international the government must be the sole buyer of copper if we can't make value addition to our copper atleast we can generate revenue from it...
I also remember another frustrated Zambian professional Dambisa Moyo. What can we do as ordinary citizens?
It really unsettles me on why Dambisa has not been brought closer to her country and yet she's making a big impact globally.
Zambia is sleeping on this man. We need to give him the chance to help us
He was asking for millions of dollars from the government. He failed at Zambia Railways. That was the genesis of his criticism and failure in Zambia. As an entrepreneur, he was supposed to break even within the economy with his brilliant ideas and not lean on politics and demand a high pay cheque from the government. The likes of Dangote or Elon Musk provided solutions directly to people. With due respect, manufacture something. Look at trade kings. Stay away from politicians and short cuts to wealth.
Zambian government why cant we use this man to develop our country.
Is there an action plan to this ? Please someone tell me. We don’t just want good speeches, we need strategic deliberate actions fostering such ideas
These guys have made it outside Zambia, there idears are good but only to big companies,coz in Zambia ssm can grow everything is badly taxed banks interest rate is very high ,just to maintain business account you need K100 per month how do you grow, even to win a contract from GRZ its not easy corruption all over
This message was just too important for it's presentation. The video was poorly done and presentation, making very challenging for this important message to more visible
His salary and other demands were too outrageous for Zambia. He even refused to stay in kabwe and was driving from lusaka
He is not humble enough to help us. Just listen to his message.
Maybe Sata failed to work with him because of public embarrassment. I also wouldn't if he has not engaged me in private but runs to trash my efforts in public. Education is trash, lobito corridor is trash, trash trash trash. Okay, yes and true to some extent. Question is how many private engagements have been done and how many changes have been suggested to improve the trashed undertakings? Maybe the PS excused himself from this public trashing. We need him to help the country in a dignified way. Even small kids deserve some level of respect through their mistakes and chasing of shadows.
He is living out of his time and bringing old glory to a different generation. He is also trying to solve too many problems without a clear philosophy. He is trashing the west but at the same time benefiting from their investments. He should be proving with facts and not cheap politicking. Many experts have tried to argue from enlightened school of thought but end up performing badly once given instrument of power. Power is sweet and it should never be given to hungry people.
@@paulnkumbula2465is there anyone benefiting from 'western investment' in Zambia apart from Hakainde Hichilema who gets bribes to undermine his country, literally?
We are failing to utilize our own. Who cursed us?
If you stand for presidency in 2026 many people will vote for you
In his quest to spark interest I lost interest during his first 7 minutes introduction. Since I'm not one of the educated illiterates in this country as he said it I stopped to research his claims in the intro most of them which are not verifiable. Like him designing the ford fiesta, writing of the 216 standard, being the reason the world wears seat belts. His company having over 200 engineers, when it barely has 30 employees.. Don't be the credulous educated illiterate in our country..Do your research 😂
President HH should appoint him as a minister of mines
This HH of ours can't do that, especially where mining is concerned, coz he has decided to put the mines in the hands of the colonizers, his masters when majority of the people are suffering
The reason why we don't develop in Zambia politicians are too powerful, hence they think they are engineers, they are professors, they are lawyers, they are technocrats themselves, when in actual sense most politicians are village fools, who should just be listening to the technocrats on how to run the affairs of the nation
Sir Mr Sata gave you a platform to use your massive knowledge in Zambia... What happened? Did you accept or u refused.
Government listen if you have ears...
Why can't he enter Zambia as an Entrepreneur or Consultant or Advisor?
The Elon Musk of Zambia - he needed to head a separate special unit under the President so that he doesn't get tainted in the polarised governance system in most government ministries and SOEs.
He is an excellent engineer but probably not as good a businessman, definitely not in the class of Dangote. Intellectuals tend to over analyse
The government does not work… I went to CBU because you were the Dean… but when I got there… you were no where to be seen… so I dropped out and went to law school… I can’t be taught by lesser men
Too much unnecessary applause!
What he has , can no implemented in zambia but on pap theories like imf and wb economic theories
No one will be willing to wait. In zambia people are lazy wants free hand outs, talking about investment that may take 10years 15yrs, will be accused of lying.
So better stay there
The man is just an academician. Let him stick to his field, where he has done wonders I must admit. When he talks economics, he is just mumbling. We can use him in the field of engineering.
He is not just academic but very practical, he is just a threat to the Zambian bureaucracy, who make a free back from a gullible populace.
We should certainly use him in the field of engineering & make Zamcab, which should be mandatory for taxis & minibuses or buses. Malaysia made their own car to be used for taxis & no other car was allowed to be used for taxis (from what I was told there) & now their car industry has developed & is also found in other countries. We can do the same too
Engineers do economics my dear...
Nishi you enjoy our country being in poverty
@kabaluwamunyima2620 I know, but he hasn't. Check his CV
Sadly, we have failed to utilize him. Others are ad benefited from.
He is stepping on a lot of toes for an engineer or academician. He should understand the concept of globalization and comparative advantage. Most of his thoughts can be challenged from different perspectives. He is just a politician still at the end of it all. Let him just start a party🤭
Do you think 'globalisation' has been good?
@@muhammadnawaz5039 unless if you think you can survive without others. As for Zambia we cant survive without others even the same copper you need to sell it to others and dont forget we are not the only ones producing it.
🤭
I'm trying to grasp what the professor is saying, but it looks like an empty talk.
These are signs of a psychopath.
He has the opportunity to help this country but he is failing.
I wonder what advise he gives the west.
So have just wasted my time listening to an engineer turned polotishani
There something he did which did not impress sata. These are people are good at talking not helping zambia. No wonder we are even failing to make tooth picks or razor blade. Chinese are the people who are making these things
Look at the bigger picture
O think you don't know the person you are talking about this man. This man is a gem! That's why whites can not. Let go of him. They can't really do without people like him in technological advancement
You obviously did hear what he was saying or you decided not to hear. Look him up.
With all the projects that he is helping other countries and his achievements. You have the audacity to say his just good at talking?
He tried to help this country and because of the dull politics you rubbished his work.
He is one of the few Zambian who are making global impact and have a passion to help his country. It's just lack of political will, remember good solutions mostly don't have the backing of the pipo we owe money.
@@natashailunga4818 Which countries has this Congole Refugee helped iwe mwankole? He was head of Zambia Railways for years. What did he achieve or change there? Other than being an adviser? as he always claims. He profession is Engineering. And not Advisory. Any one can be an adviser, even a Baboon sometimes can advise you better, but, a Baboon will never, ever, be an Engineer.
It is not Sata per se. If I remember well, it was the Zambia Railways Board that suspended and fired him. He won the case and got compensated for his wrongful dismissal.