WILL PSVR2 BE A VIABLE PCVR HEADSET? Comparison With Pimax Crystal etc..
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
- The PSVR2 will soon get a PCVR adapter! Time to get back into the headset and think about how viable PSVR2 could be as compared to Pimax Crystal and other PCVR headsets!
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I think a lot of people underestimate the impact brightness can have on immersion. I've never been close to dazzled by headlights in VR like I have in the PSVR2.
but is it also bright without hdr ?
can you test this?
@@der60er Good point, I don't know and maybe we wont know until the adapter is out I guess.
@@AdamsSIMporium so you cant disable hdr on ps ?
because the adapter def. will not support hdr
@@der60er Not as far as I know, then again, it's certainly not an option I've looked for lol.
@@der60er you can play flat games on PS5 using the PSVR2 and in those you can disable HDR. For the games I tested it looks good in both ways. For Assassin's Creed Odyssey in HDR the brightness is similar to my 400 nits monitor, not as bright as an OLED smartphone that surpasses 1000 nits. The color gamut is high and makes the games look vivid. With HDR on the main difference is more detailed highlights.
For your review I'd like to see how the PSVR2 performs with mid range GPUs. 4090s are good to see the full potential of the device, but many will be playing with mid range cards like the 4070 super, very similar in performance to the 3090.
I'd also like to see if the displayport connection offers benefits over streaming to something like Quest 3 in terms of lag, image quality and performance.
I agree. Most people would have something in a 60/70 variant, so seeing how it performs on those types of cards is important. I'm imagining it would put a lot less stress on the system so much better latency and even higher frame rates than Quest 3.
I think the PSVR2 is a viable low end option to consider against the Quest 3 and Crystal Light. Against the Quest 3, the big selling points are the DisplayPort connection (no latency, no compression artifacts from remote streaming) and OLED panels. Versus Crystal Light, I think the main selling point is that it's not made by Pimax. You can expect a more stable and polished experience from the PSVR2 where Pimax has a really bad track record with stability and customer service.
The big game changer will be if the opensource community can get the PSVR2's eye tracking working on PCVR. I will be surprised if they don't, but it's not a guarantee yet. But assuming it does, this will be a PCVR headset with OLED and eye tracking for $600. That will be a big deal for a lot of people out there, especially orphaned Reverb G2 DCS pilots and VRChat players. No other headset on the market will even come close to that.
Definitely what I look for in a VR HMD: "the main selling point is that it's not made by Pimax." :D (had to laugh as a Pimax 5k+ owner...)
@@samcurmudgeon I've owned 5KS, 8KX, and Crystal. Been running Pimax for years up until moving to Bigscreen Beyond recently. I think just about anyone who has owned Pimax will understand what I'm talking about. Heh.
My Reverb G2 had a very similar resolution to the PSVR2 so as a true full bandwidth wired PCVR headset with great controller tracking it will make a great PCVR headset with OLED Displays, and a worthy upgrade from the Index and the Reverb G2.
I just bought one off Swappa and plan to wait for the Sony PCVR adapter. I think once that adapter hits the market, it will be harder to find these used at discount pricing.
Yes PCVR gamers who currently have an Index or a Reverb G2 will be able to see the leap in visual quality OLED makes, Half Life Alyx and Lone Echo 1 & 2 should look great inside the PSVR2.
Reverb G2 has quite a bit higher ppd than PSVR2.
PSVR2 is slightly lower than Quest 2
@@billygunn6185 I have owned both headsets, the PSVR2 is clearer, and sharper with superior black and colour fidelity, a noticeably wider FOV , and much better controller tracking, so a worthy upgrade in my opinion.
@@techinfusions If you don't already own a quest 3 or another PCVR headset I think the PSVR 2 may be worth buying. But I think you would have to be pretty nuts to spend $600 on a headset that is a little better in some ways and a little worse in others. Not too mention all its best features wont work on PC.
OLED + high brightness +great binocular overlap + comfort.
At similar to Quest Pro perceived resolution on PC (should be better than what you see on PS5).
That's an incredible offer for a low-mid price PCVR headset.
So glad we finally have amazing options, and plenty more incoming, particularly for the high end.
Thanks for the impressions!
Quest Pro has much better clarity than the PSVR2, PSVR2 is only 18PPD and doesn't have a full subpixel arrangement. Most disappointing, it uses fresnel lenses so is clear only in the centre, and suffers bad mura. It's not a good PCVR headset unless you absolutely prioritise OLED colours and brightness over everything else.
I've just been playing with the IVRy PSVR2 driver for PC and it's very warped with incorrect FOV but you can tell the PSVR2 is going to be amazing on PC. About the same perceived resolution as a Quest Pro, but is blinding bright.
Sounds amazing. That's exactly what I'd want to hear, couldn't ask for more from this headset tbh.
For a low-medium end PCVR headset, it will be arguably the best option in terms of the overall visual and comfort experience. (Pimax Crystal a bit more expensive and heavier, but higher resolution LCD....take your pick)
I just wish they launched it on PC alongside PS5, instead of waiting this long.
But I'm extremely glad we are now finally getting it at least, so we now have this as an option.
@@zackmac5917 I played a few minutes of Elite Dangerous and in OLED was fantastic, the stars were blinding. Then tried a night race in AMS2, which was similar to GT7 night races, being pure black with just the glow of the dials visible.
I had a love hate relationship with my Crystal, I didn't miss it when I returned it. Not sure if I could completely go PSVR2 from my Aero, but i think I could do 75% PSVR2 on PC and the Aero just for sim racing.
As I said though, the IVRy drivers have warped visuals, like you're zoomed in too much so it loses depth. But the colours and contrast/black levels with the PC are going to be amazing. The brightness in the headset is full on, like when running HDR on PS5.
@@wickfut8917 How is the performance with PSVR2?
@@fabriciofontes2898 Not sure if it'll remain the same with the official drivers, but SteamVR sees 100% scaling as a pretty low resolution, around 2200x2200 per eye. 150% was 2800x2800 and I was running it the games fine with over 200% hitting 3200x3200 per eye - but I do have a 4090, and I run my Aero at 3600x4400 or something daft like that. It appears to be quite easy to run, but it didn't take too well to being super-sampled, unlike a headset such as a HP Reverb which just gets sharper and sharper as you increase the resolution.
It was going for 399€ on sale several times and used starting from 300 it's kinda in its own league at that price... I bought one for PCVR waiting for the adapter.
Sony has said that eye tracking, headset feedback, HDR, adaptive triggers, and haptic feedback (other than rumble) will not be available when using their headset on PC. However given some time I think the modding community will be able to get many of these features working.
Sebastian you forgot one of the most important things: The PSVR2 will look much better on a PC than on a PS5 because of the much higher graphics performance of an RTX 4090, etc.!!
And another very important thing: There will be no compression as with a Quest 3. Therefore the picture will be better (no artifacts, no banding etc.)!!
PSVR2 is a 2000x2040 pentile display, even the Quest 2 has a higher ppd
it wont look better because of the mura
@@MetalDeathHead
The Mura is indeed really bad on the PSVR2!
@@billygunn6185
ad Quest2/3: Re4 Remake looks 1000x better than any Quest 2/3 or any standalone game in general. Even AW2 has very low textures... Unfortunately there is no (native) PCVR version of this fantastic game. 2nd best game after Half Life Alyx.
Concerning the display/ lens hardware of the PSVR2: Sony could have really done a better job...., especially the MURA is very bad and the resoultion should have been 2.5x2.5k or at least 2.2x2.2k....
@@Anakin-dl6eb My point is that PSVR isn't a good headset, apart from the eye tracking, everything is dated
I’m sticking with my QPro/rtx4090/local dimming with Link for sims. Looking forward to the Pimax Super OLED.
I bought Pico 4 on launch and still this the best price/value for PCVR to date, just wondering how many years it will take to overtake it for something in this category.
I would only use it if the dynamic foveated rendering worked on PC.
It has fixed foveated rendering
We need to see what modifications will still come to the PCVR platform that are relevant for the PSVR2. I suspect it will have a comparable image quality to the G2, which is not bad.
I started with the CV1 when Touch launched, Samsung Odyssey, the original PSVR, the Index on launch and finally a PSVR2. 99% of my VR time is spent simracing on PC 9700K @ 5Ghz/3080Ti on the Index. The PSVR2 is a step up in just about everyway except audio. If god rays weren't a thing I think the Index still holds up pretty well overall. I recently spent some time using a Quest 3 paired to a PC with a 12900K/4090 and other than black levels I think overall its a clear step above the PSVR2 with super crisp image movement.
I'm looking forward to trying the PSVR with the PC as well since I own one.
i have psvr 2 i just want them to add eye tracking haptics feedback in the near future hands down best vr headset cos of darker blacks and its cheep cost its very lightweight.
you cant buy any pc vr headset with same set of features under 1000 buck
and with that money you can buy psvr 2 with ps5 under 1000buck and use it on pc and have best games from sony and pc
How does it compare to the Hp Reverb G2? Using MSFS2020?
I will try that once the adapter is out!
Psyched for this. Psvr2 is so comfy and the oled hdr is insane.
HDR will not be supported on PCVR. Foveated rendering with eye tracking will not work either.
@@mitcherny6965 Modders will get it working in time. Sony could activate it down the line when more pcvr uses it.
@@mitcherny6965 mura will be supported though 😂
How does the PSVR2 FOV compare to the Quest 3?
It's about the same, 110° horizontal FOV, but PSVR 2 feels somehow wider than Quest 3 for me, less like staring through diving goggles all the time
@@shapeshifter-theamorphousg3264 Well, that's good. The Quest 3 still feels like goggles to me, so any improvement is welcome. I cannot wait until we can get far better FOV in VR headsets.
I have a 4080 super. I love uevr which of course is seated. I have a quest 3 and a psvr2. Which do you think will give the better experience overall including clarity?
Psvr2 because of Displayport goodness.
@@mixedrealityTV thanks for the response. This will be interesting.
I saw an update on Steam for my VPro2. I tried out my Pro2 again. This will now be my daily VR glasses. Great company, play my racing sims at the highest resolution in 120 Hertz. Good sharp image and superior colors.Very high comfort.
Strange that Sony announces an adapter 2 months ahead of release?
Hi Sebastian! how would you compare bionicle overlap with pico 4?
Pico 4 still wins!
@@mixedrealityTV I wish the pico 4 had display port. But this pico connect is amazing
you can fix the murra by lowering the default brightness witch is pretty dam high for some weird reasons
No that doesnt do anything, only thing you can do is to wear sunglasses while playing, thats removes it somewhat.
@@MetalDeathHead i got the psvr 2 man and i have no murra there are 100s of videos on youtube saying the same thing
@@rinkumultani6515 i dont believe you, its in every headset
Is the meta quest 2 worth buying in 2024? It's a cheap headset at this point and I'm considering buying it.
Dont buy it. Low cost Quest 3s coming out very very soon.
Where can I buy the adapter?
sony will release it soon
I'm interested to see how a higher grade GPU would look in the PSVR2. I'll give it a shot.
still doesnt remove the terrible mura
@@MetalDeathHead The level of mura varies between the games.
@@JPWestmas nah its always there because its fixed in the headset
@@MetalDeathHead sure, but not what I was arguing against.
No foveated rendering and no HDR, I own both a PSVR2 and a Bigscreen Beyond and I'm not excited for it to come to PC without eye tracking, foveated rendering and HDR. I do hope Resident Evil Village VR and Gran Turismo 7 and Horizon Call of the Mountain are ported over though.
i think no eye tracking on pc, but foveated rendering is possible on apps that support it, iirc.
@diamond_s Fixed foveated rendering looks like garbage (I've tried it on 8KX) the dynamic foveated rendering in PSVR2 is literally magic, you can't even tell it's on, but it requires eye tracking.
@@vulcantuminello1127 oh i thought we were getting dynamic eye tracked foveated just not eye tracking functionality for apps. If not itd be BS
why do not you show the COMPARSION through the lensses??
Because the PC adapter for PSVR2 isn't released yet so it cannot be filmed 'through the lens' whilst connected to a PC.
I didn't own a Quest 1 nor a Quest 2, but now I own the Quest 3 and the fact that the Quest 1 had an OLED panel was shocking to me!
Don't sweat it, you've got one of the best optical stack and panel combination out there.
I just tried my friend's Quest 3 last weekend and after not trying the Quest 2, and I was a bit disappointed in the visuals when I tried Space Pirate Trainer (a very familiar game).
I feel like it's extremely rare that we get a "straight upgrade" (without sacrificing something like Fov or tracking) when it comes to VR. It always feels like the "Rift-S situation".
The Quest 3 might be a good one, but still, if I nitpick it hasn't caught up to the colors of the first one and it introduced new limitations with tracking and battery life. G2 didn't sacrifice anything, but only improved resolution iirc.
What I mean by a "straight upgrade" is a product that does EVERYTHING better, even if some of the changes are only a very slight improvement. PSVR-2 seems to be the only one.
The quest 3 is a nice headset, but it is overhyped, while psvr2 is underhyped.
I also liked the quest 1 more than quest 3, but it is probably because it was my first headset.
@@lowrider2756 I totally agree with it being over hyped... Give it to me straight; How would you compare the PSVR-2 (on PS5) to the Quest 3 streaming the same thing from a PC?
I might still buy a Quest 3 because it's "good enough" but it will end up closer to a Beyond in price after the accessories and dedicated router, so I might be better off with a dedicated PCVR HMD. Maybe PSVR-2 if they get all the features working...
I didn't get a chance to see the Quest 3 streaming from PC, but it wasn't really the graphics I was disappointed with. The resolution just wasn't as amazing as some have described it, like "Screen door effect is totally gone!" and "The colors are actually great" and "A much better FoV". I felt like yeah the FoV is a little better when it's cranked against my eyelashes, I could clearly see SDE from the moment I got into the menu, and the colors were okay in bright/ cartoon-ish style games. The Improved FoV was the biggest let down tbh.
The pancake lenses actually are just as good as people say, and I was pleasantly surprised with the passthrough quality (something I don't plan on using very much). It's a wash imo, and I'm tired of waiting for someone other than PiMax to release something with 120°+ FoV.
Sucks that Playstation dropped the price $100 dollars only to bump it back up to its normal price. That's psvr2 for you.
greed... AND bad business decisions are one helluva constant drugs for Sony.
I heard that none of the features that the PSVR2 offer on the PS5 will not work on PCVR, No Eye Tracking, No Headset and Controllers haptic feedback, No HDR.
The most important feature of PSVR2 is OLED and that still works. I'm really looking forward to it as LCD sucks in VR.
@dtz1000 Yes, OLED is Nice. I used my Vive Pro for the longest. But, it is time to move on. I ❤️ my PSVR2, but I was very disappointed they used the Fresnel Lenses. I absolutely hate those. They ruin the whole experience for me. After seeing how clear lenses look, it is hard to go back. I am excited to see what my new Pimax Crystal Light headset is going to offer. It should be here any day now. I just want monitor like quality inside of the headset. I like everything to look sharp and clear without any blurriness. PSVR2 has lots of that.
What I think Sony should do is offer there exclusive games to us PCVR gamers. I would love to explore Horizon Call of the Mountain and Play Gran Turismo 7 with my Pimax Crystal Light headset. 😉👌
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Thank you!
il definitely be playing half life alex other then that there are no other big triple a with best looking graphics sadly on pc except some racing games some some few other small indie games. i wish there was games like elder scrolls or witcher 3 like rpg open world games for vr
dude there are 100s of unreal engine 5 games that look way better than alyx that can be played with UEVR mod
@@MetalDeathHead no they are not the type of games i like to play last good looking game was call of the mountain but thats fk climbing simulator waste of time and money
@@rinkumultani6515 call of the mountain looks like gargabe compared to UE5 games in VR.
@@MetalDeathHead what game are you talking about ?
@@rinkumultani6515 Layers of fears, hellblade 2 and all upcoming UE5 games in VR, alyx graphics arent so good.
PSVR or MetaQuest 3 for wired VR gaming, I have a 4070 so won't be able to get full benefit from the Pimax crystal light
If you will play wired go for the displayport connection.
Psvr2
@@fabriciofontes2898 sorry, could you explain that for me please. I heard the meta doesn't have a dedicated display port which makes the visual quality worse
@@superhans85 I recommend you wait for the reviews of PSVR2 on PC to be sure. I use the PSVR2 on PS5 and will buy the PC adapter. There is no compression or lag on PS5 and on PC it will be the same with the displayport connection. Quest uses streaming even with a cable, the quality can be further improved, but it will never be the same as a true video signal being sent to the device like we do with monitors and TVs.
@@fabriciofontes2898 thank you! I'll wait for the PsVr with port to release. Will there be a big difference in price from the base unit?
PSVR2 for PC, or Quest 3? I currently own a Quest 3 and I have been using it for PCVR but the LCD displays are very distracting in dark scenes. I would love an OLED headset, but I am worried the PSVR2’s fresnel lenses and slightly lower resolution will mitigate the gains from the better colors and significantly deeper contrast…
If you have Q3, forget about PSVR2. You would never want to switch from your Q3 to mura + fresnel lenses. Once you start see mura, you would never be able unsee it. It's like dirty lenses, which you can't clean up. Q3 also has mura, but of a very minor magnitude and you can only see it in a very bright scene, while in PSVR2 you see it everywhere. If you wear glasses, just put some greasy fingerprints on your glasses and try to live with it for a couple of hours. The strength of mura effect varies from headset to headset. If you can test a PSVR2 headset before buying, then go ahead. If you can't, then most probably you'll get something you'll want to smash into pieces on the floor.
My personal experience with PSVR2 is aboslutely TERRIBLE. I was shocked how bad it is.
@@sheeftzHard disagree. It's a tradeoff that will go either way depending on the person. I own both and I really struggle with the Q3s LED panels. Everything seems washed out and forget about any games with dark areas. The mura is not a big deal for me, but I understand it is for some.
I'm also very sensitive to compression and artifacting from Wireless streaming. Despite putting countless hours in trying to perfect my Q3 PCVR setup, it's still noticable and really bothers me. I need a wired PCVR headset.
The pancake lenses on Q3 are phenomenal, and I can't wait for affordable microOLEDs with Pancake lenses to become more affordable. For now though, I choose OLED Fresnel over LED Pancake lenses any day
I have both PSVR2 and Quest 3, and I agree some people will like the display better of either one. Quest 3 has better lenses while PSVR2 has better panels. They each have different aberrations, so its pick your poison as to which bother you the least.
Personally, I see the mura, but I don't find it distracting. Describing it as being like a dirty lens I think isn't a very good analogy and is a bit misleading. It's more like film grain that doesn't move.
Thanks for the responses! I remember the original quest and vive pro and I’m pretty disappointed that it’s 2024 and all the major options feel like a severe downgrade from those in terms of contrast and black levels. I was playing through AC Nexus on the Q3 and the tunnel levels just make the whole screen light grey. I worry about blooming on miniLED panels like on the Crystal Light, but the lenses are an upgrade over the Quest 3’s I hear. Although, I would also have to buy base stations and controllers, effectively tripling the price compared to the PSVR2. The Crystal Super OLED looks fantastic, but it’s $2,000, unreleased as of now, and I don’t want to shell out that kind of money for a headset until varifocal is implemented. I’m hoping the successor to the quest pro has OLED panels and varifocal aspheric glass lenses, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it just had OLED panels and an upgraded iteration of the pancake lenses we have now. I’d also be bummed out that I couldn’t get it to work with Index controllers for such a premium headset, but maybe the next generation of quest pro controllers will add enough features to make that less of a big deal. I guess I’m waiting until September no matter what.
I own both and I will be using PSVR2. The mura is lame, but I prefer PSVR2 in every other way. Mura is less immersion breaking for me than the compression artifacts of streamed PCVR on Quest. If Quest had a native Displayport, it would be a much closer race, in my opinion. The lenses on Quest3 are great but PSVR2 optics are just as good if you can get your eyes close enough to the lenses and lock in a good sweet spot.
Can't wait Palmer Luckey new VR headset
Man, you know it's going to be good. But at what price? Who's the target market? We'll see.
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Sony's reportedly stopped making any more PS VR2 ☠️💀
No.
Fresnel lenses, poor edge to edge clarity, miniscule sweet spot, OLED mura, no HDR on PC.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
Actually it's a great headset. Once you are in the sweetspot you are good. But Mura is a problem.
@@mixedrealityTV Actually I've had it since release (preordered) and I spent dozens of hours in it, so I can formulate my own opinion based on my own experience and comparisons with many other headsets (Quest 2, 3, PSVR1, Index, Pico 4).
Fresnel lenses are outdated in 2024. Sweet spot is a huge problem if you move your body and head in VR (who doesn't?) - either you quickly lose your sweetspot and you need to constantly adjust the headse multiple times t on your head, or you clamp the strap hard on your head so that it;s stable and then the pressure causes pain. Maybe it's better with Globular Cluster or Studioform 3rd party straps, but I did not test it.
It would be a very interesting headset for PC users if sony did not block the cool features like HDR, HMD haptics and eye tracking/DFR :)
@@MKwadratPodcastIt’s not set in stone that Sony blocked the features like eye tracking and HDR. A dev posted that he thinks it’s possible. It’s more likely just the fact that Sony can’t guarantee devs will support those features on PC.
Also I’ve heard that the globular cluster takes away the sweet spot issue for a lot of people.
On pc , HDR, headset feedback, eye tracking, adaptive triggers, and haptic feedback are disabled and won’t work. You are paying for features that will not work on pc as well as paying $60 for the adapter.
Yeah. Hopefully someone will mod system wide eye tracking for the psvr 2. That's all I need. I was super disappointed when that wasn't going to be enabled. Until it has eye tracking, I won't buy the adapter.
this new banana game on steam got me watching videos fully without skipping ahead lol
I hope it doesn't take
Steam
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Ea launcher
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And sony software just to launch
First!
I got this for my UA-cam channel. And i bought it $350 usd . Hopefully the community can back this headset. For eye tracking etc.
In one word... No
I really wish Sony would put in one final effort to make the PSVR good
Even if it means they have to go the Quest route and make a standalone headset on par with the Quest 3 and also let it stream games games from the PS5
The mura makes this the WORST headset out there
The PSVR2 lenses absolutely kill the device, they are some of worst I have ever experienced in any headset I have owned.
still the mura is the worst thing about it
@@MetalDeathHead yeah, it ain't good for sure, but I can get over that, the lenses bug the hell out of me now I have Quest 3. When I had Quest 2 I suppose I could stand the PSVR2 lenses, but once you try pancake lenses there's absolutely no going back...
@@alanharrington What is the difference? i havent tried a headset with pancake lenses, also i heard the 3d effect of quest 3 is bad?
@@MetalDeathHead the pancake lenses are crystal clear with edge to edge clarity, no distortion or blur. The only criticism I have with pancake lenses is the darker edges, like a very slight vignette. You only notice it if you're really looking for it though, which as a VR enthusiast I certainly did, being too critical to be honest. I don't know who's told you that the 3d effect is bad, but that's pure bollox, the 3d effect is fine.
@@alanharrington Actually sebastian here says that the binocular overlap of quest 3 is bad which means less 3d effect, he says that both psvr2 and pico 4 have better 3d effect.
I got psvr2 mura effect makes it complete trash just get quest3 or something better
And don't get me started about the lenses 🤬🤬🤬🤬
Quest 3 also has mura that is stronger or weaker depending on the quality control and instead of mura there is compression artifacts blur in any complex games as well as increased latency that impacts the fast paced games.
@@chadef555 without doubt Q3 has mura, but the only reason it is visible is that the lenses are so clear. When I first got the Q3 I thought that the mura I could see was something Q2 didn't have. However, when I put the Q2 back on to compare, I had to stare through the distortion and blur of the Fresnel lenses of the Q2 to notice that it had it too.
@@chadef555 every headset has its negatives but psvr2 has mura so bad that i don’t really want to put it on and i have 5 other headsets.