Precisely they could have called out "climate change" and taken these governments to court its not hard to disprove, but they remained silent because they are part of the agenda !
Exactly they could have called out the whole "climate change" L ie but chose to remain silent because those pushing that agenda and those pulling the strings at these companies are one and the same
I am not in on these EVs, I think they are a disaster in the making but I disagree, there is a climate change problem, the issue is we are looking in the wrong places to try and fix it.
The climate has been changing since the beginning of time, they is nothing you or anyone cannot do about it. Stopping combustion engine is just pure draconian.
... and all this to address a non-existent or at best a far-from-urgent alleged environmental threat... Politicians are 100 percent to blame for this. Vote accordingly while you still can!
EV`s, a bad solution to a problem that ONLY exist in large cities that have trouble with exhaust pollution from cars (that is only a few cities world wide). Co2 is NOT polution, it is food for plants. And the global warming is a scam. Even if global warming was not a scam the life on earth THRIVES with more Co2 and higher temperatures.
EV madness is an existential threat to proper vehicle makers and they need to fight back... Taycan holds the record for the fastest 150 to 30 ( thousands of pounds ) at 18 months.
If you understand the law of large numbers then no you wouldn't have more. The lottery is a scam that people think they can win by throwing more money at it. @Biosynchro
They can't, all the governemnts are working together to get rid of personal cars to get rid of our mobility and make us eaier to control. Covid was a test sucessful test whereby they got us to willingly stay in our houses and allowed us a maximum of 5 miles to drive.
How dare these car manufacturers put so many of their employees jobs at risk with their woke stupidity. These are real people with families and bills to pay. Wake up and show some respect to your workforce.
Well said! I cant imagine how Jaguars shop floor employees feel in seeing their jobs fragmenting over a cliff month by month as the management go woke and tell them to keep quiet or else!!
This is part of the agenda, so we all rely on universal credit, so the stakeholders capitalists achieve their aiim for the masses: eat bugs, own nothing and be happy
My main concern is how to survive all of these financial and political crisis, especially in light of the US political power scuffle. The government has really called things more difficult for its citizens, and we can't sit back and bear all the consequences of the bad governance.
I think investors should always put their cash to work, especially In 2025, we'll start to see more market diversification. I'm hoping to invest about $350k of my savings in stocks against next year. Hope to make millions in 2025.
I suggest that hiring a portfolio coach is a smart move and that in this case, patience is your best friend. I make a lot of investments and cannot afford to take the risk of doing it alone. Instead, since the rona outbreak began in late 2019, my portfolio has been maintained by a qualified advisor. I only need about $86k more to reach my one million dollar ROI goal
Yes true, I have been in touch with a brokerage Advisor. With an initial starting reserve of $75k, my advisor chooses the entry and exit commands for my portfolio, which has grown to approximately $550k.
Tracy Britt Cool Consulting... has always been at the top of my list.. She is regarded as a genius in her area and well knowledgeable about financial markets. I highly recommend you look her up if you want excellent collaboration.
They won’t be. They never are. The only way to hold them accountable is voting them out. But considering half the voters in any country are complete idiots, there’s not much to be done.
Rich people do not buy digital electric CASIO watches. They buy expensive mechanical (and often hand-built) watches. Luxury and high-performance vehicle buyers are the same. They want well-engineered engine in their cars, not battery and electric motors because once it is electric all vehicles drive the same. The only time electric vehicle make sense are those cheap small city runabout with 20-25kwh battery pack. At least in that application, it makes a strong compelling case as it can make the drive smoother more refined than traditional city cars
Yeah an enclosed glorified golf cart is all people need in town would make sense to sell small ev cars for city use only since that's all their good for and continue to sell ice vehicles for those who drive a lot of miles a day in and out of towns
Nothing that needs endurance, constant high power or quick refilling is a good application of electric propulsion. Those never will be good applications for it.
As a Peugeot 107 owner (with the tough Daihatsu/Toyota 1KR-FE nugget), I totally disagree with your view on the small electric city cars. Yes, they are smoother since they don't even have a manual transmission but city cars as we know them can go out of town because of their efficiency (say doing 60 at 5th gear at ~2700rpm). Electric city cars cannot do that. Not to mention the "15-minute cities" plan, of which electric city cars are a big part.
Nothing like asking their CUSTOMERS what they want to buy instead of asking the GOVERNMENT what they should be selling. Now WE ALL get to pay for their mistakes in the cost of new cars NOT HAPPNING. NEVER gonna buy a new porsche again
It's not that unusual to see old cars that are over fifty years old and in like new condition, I highly doubt any electric car in everyday use will be that old.
@OM617a I drive a jeep cj5 from the mid sixties and I use it for what it was made for and it is definitely in no worse shape now than when it was brand new.
My daily driver will be an '88 Toyota AE92 Corolla that has a carburetor and stick shift. The support for this car is very good and parts are cheap. I know it's slow, but it's dependable. I'll fix some paint. I plan to be driving it past 40 years old. I'm looking for an AE92 or AE101 wagon. Some of this generation Corolla have 1 million owner claimed miles.
The pr statement basically is saying that our attempt to destroy our brand is not going as quickly as we thought it would. It's going to take more time.
I don't understand why these "cars" are so expensive, they are basically a weatherproof PlayStation with four wheels and a drivetrain as advanced as a cordless drill.
My wife worked for a guy who regularly changed his pricey carS. He had an ongoing order for new Ferraris and got the latest one automatically, he would change his top of the range customised Jaguar within a year with only a couple of thousand miles on the clock. He would also buy the odd other high priced cars to 'try out' every so often. All bar the Ferraris would lose money but the Ferraris would gain in value due to rarity. A small judge of his mind set, he would pop over to New York on Concord with his wife for a shopping trip but a comment to my wife for not giving a raise in wages to his most important worker was, "He will only drink it away at the pub".
Car safety druids showed up long before Globull warming and were stonewalled by industry for decades. Then somebody must have thought "What if there were cheap new "profit centres" easily disguised as costly safety mandates ?" Bonus points for realizing that the biggest companies would be helped and the government would be making things tougher for smaller competitors.
And April 23 to March 24 was the most profitable year in the Toyotas history, expanded model lineup, more racing investment, consistently reliable cars, sounds like the plan worked to me
Toyota was smart in sticking with what they are good at; hybrids, and not rushing into EVs. Porsche needs to pump the brakes hard on the EV nightmare they created.
And they knew it was a crock the whole time. They also knew from a price and functionality standpoint that a hybrid achieves as much of the benefits of ev with the least amount of.cost.
Time governments admitted they got it badly wrong. Here in the UK the total cost of the barmy Labour governments drive to net zero is going to cost a mind blowing 328 billion pounds.
They don't care how much it costs. Their concept of gov't is that spending more money solves everything. If it's not working, spend _even more._ If that doesn't work, spend EVEN MORE.
true! It's still not a revolution to change the horse's food :-) It's still a car. But some people thinks maked-up relics from the 19th century are revolutionary.
@SteveLomas-k6k i have a cabin in Lexington, horse country, and horses outnumber EVs probably 10 to one around there, and that's with plenty of EVs being 3rd or 4th vehicles, behind a HD truck, SUV, and/or a sports car.
Anyone putting down over a $150k for an impractical car with just 2 seats and no trunk could care less about fuel economy… they want performance and luxury…. Which goes against the idea of batteries powered vehicles.
Actually MGUY, Aston Martin is the only automaker other than Toyota that has not fully embraced the EV madness. IIRC their boss said that they will keep making ICE vehicle and can just add £15000 on top of the MSRP to make up for the penaulty because their clientele still want and are willing to pay the premium to get ICE engine.
Astons are the only marque I'm still crazy about. It would be unthinkable for them to go under because of EV madness after surviving on the brink for many decades.
It's total madness that is curbing R & D on biofuels and synthetic fuels that can also be carbon neutral while still running cars that are less polluting and more ethical to build than EVs.
When you said nobody that loves Porsche would buy a Porsche EV, I and you know of 1 who did, and regrets it. The MacMaster. Still love your and his vids. Keep up the good work.
Porshe should have never tried to go EV. The ICE fad is not for sports/performance cars. Who wants to spend a quarter million for an EV with the same drivetrain as a Tesla?
Porsche buyers did complain a lot when they changed Cayman / Boxer from 6 cylinder boxer to 4 with turbo even of they made 50hp more power (and can easily be tuned to give 200+ more hp). And they expect people to buy the new planned ONLY electric versions lol. The people that buy Porsche wants REAL cars, not electric toys and many spend 5000 to 10.000 $ modifying their Porsche to give MORE sound !!! ... Even if the electric toy have 500hp more no one will want them.
Yeah, but other EV sales are rising quickly, while gas and diesel sales are dropping. Tesla sales are slowing not because they are EVs, but because Tesla has shit quality, limited models, and terrible service.
Porsche hasn't "finally" realized the importance of ICE cars to their brand, they have been on this for a long time. They've been investing in synthetic fuel research and infrastructure for that very reason. The EV problem is really not a car company problem for the most part, it's been a China problem and a Green government problem. The car companies have been forced into EVs (except the China owned ones which went there to sell China's global domination plans). Governments have been out to destroy the auto industry for a while now, the first major hit was the tens of billions VW had to pay for fooling tests, meanwhile other manufacturers who were doing the same thing got a slap on the wrist, and the reason was that VW embarrassed government bodies.
If they could release the simplest and cheapest ICE car and strip out all the fancy tech stuff, even the electric windows, I bet there would now be a market for it, but I realise they are prevented from doing that. We just want to go from A2B in the most efficient cheapest way possible.
@@Puzzoozoo I was thinking more of a Lada, not sure what a Trabant is? I hear in Moscow they have given up German cars and have now got cheap Chinese ones.
Yep definitely muscle cars are what they are because of their engine power and no battery can ever replace that. Also petrol engines will stay with us for eternity because there is never going to be any jerry can of batteries that is going to have more energy than same jerry can of petrol. The only way to beat petrol engines is to have something nuclear and small to fit in a car and that's another 300 years away from now simply because only few nations so far have nuclear power stations and this idea of having nuclear cars is probably also bad for environment and dangerous in wrong hands so petrol and diesel are winners now and will be winners for eternity.
Yes the acceleration is great, but in the real world EV performance off the line is pointless dick waving exercise. EVs meant to be about economy / ecology. Petrol performance is about nimble handling lightness, man & machine not man and heavy computer. Leave that for the daily grinders.
You can tell what's up by how the insurance companies act and how skittish they are. Their behavior is worth a thousand studies about how ostensibly "safe" EVs are.
So much bullshit FUD. If insurance companies will not touch EVs, then how do the millions of us who drive EVs get them insured? Why did our insurance premium not change when we traded the gas Silverado for an electric Silverado? Also, ICE cars burn more often than EVs. ICE cars, despite the FUD, also are more likely to be written off in a collision.
My wife worked for a guy who regularly changed his pricey carS. He had an ongoing order for new Ferraris and got the latest one automatically, he would change his top of the range customised Jaguar within a year with only a couple of thousand miles on the clock. He would also buy the odd other high priced cars to 'try out' every so often. All bar the Ferraris would lose money but the Ferraris would gain in value due to rarity. A small judge of his mind set, he would pop over to New York on Concord with his wife for a shopping trip but a comment to my wife for not giving a raise in wages to his most important worker was, "He will only drink it away at the pub".
China's EV market is starting to fall apart. Even some of the highly acclaimed EV start up companies have shut up shop due to sales but also due to the warranty repair costs the company has had to fulfil when the cars fail under warranty. As writing this I am currently in Prague and its rare to spot EV's as most cars are either new diesel or petrol cars or 15+ year old cars such as Skoda, Volvo, SAAB and other's.
Lucas, Prince of Depreciation. A few years ago I was in a National Sales Meeting of one of Germany's largest machine tool builders and they were bragging that no Euro Auto or US Mfg had any new IC engines on the board. However that wasn't true because Toyota, Honda and Nissan had new engines in design. I have no interest in doing business with the Germans but all those idiots got sucked into this EV BS because they didn't speak up.
Customers like to make the discovery themselves, they like to workout what is best for their lives. Some customers are like good little children, when the Government (parent) tells them something is a good idea, they do as they're told and rush out to buy an EV, like a good little boy. Adults, tend to want to assess a product or situation and make an informed decision. EVs do have a place in the market and if they do, then EVs should not need incentives or tax breaks, instead they should contribute to the tax take like the ICE cars do.
Have you seen EU version of BMW’s ad? It shows all cool roaring sports cars doing drifts etc, then moves to an electric new bad looking BMW taking turns and doing straight lines. One of the worst ADs i have seen so far. I mean “let’s get them excited and then bore them to death”. Who in the world thought of that?
Its simply a disgrace for another storied brands to go virtue signalling. Especially those with great engine technologies like Toyota, Honda and premium brands like BMW and Porsche,
I’ve been buying new Porsche since my first one in 1984. I have a 991.2 4s presently and went to talk to my dealer about ordering or buying a new 911 turbo s off the lot. I was told even though you’ve bought 4 Porsches from us - you’d need to give us a $50,000 deposit and wait 3 years or so. As for new inventory- there were none - but… there we however several used ones with only several thousand miles on the clock. It seems the only people that get to buy a new 911 in the higher trims are speculators. Then those people abuse the cars for 6 months to a year and then flip them back to the same dealer. Oh and these “pre owned models” are marked up $40,000 to $100,000 over msrp list. They did say I could buy a new Taycan immediately, though. I went from loving the brand to hating it. And here I am with cash, ready to give them $270,000 and they can’t be bothered. Yet - they are laying off people. This is what happens to companies that go woke….
I really cannot understand the people who like modern, watercooled Porsches. I deal with Porsche all my life and I owned, driven and sold literally hundreds of them. But those plastic things with watercooled engines and all that emissions crap do absolutely nothing for me.
not only are chinese sales sliding but I bet all porsches intellectual property is now in the hands of the ccp 🤣 chinese porsche copies are already being sold
For all the people that have so much money they love to waste it on buying a EV, I have some excellent advice for you. Buy shares in companies like Valmet Automotive and other EV related companies, like EV charger makers, EV charger maintenance companies etc. And then you can sit back and watch your money just dwindle away as the the share price goes down and down, but hurry buy them now before the companies go bankrupt like Lion Electric, Arrival, Northvolt, EVBox, Tritium chargers, etc etc Act now before it's to late and they have all gone, EV companies need your money to waste.
Buyin a Boxster and then a 911 Carrera 4S is a dream of mine. So I play around with the Porsche configurator from time to time. I will NEVER buy an electric Boxster/Cayman. Apart from all the negatives of EV cars and there are many, electric cars add too much weight and it defeats the purpose of a Boxster/Cayman being a lighter sports car. I don’t know if it is because Porsche are losing money in China or simply too much greed but the prices for the 911s are entering ridiculous areas. I am aware Porsche has some of the highest profit margins but currently I think they are delusional. Let’s hope the market knocks some sense into Porsche!
Dodge (Stellantis) has fired their EV crazy CEO who cancelled their performance V8s (also brought back MoPar Jesus Tim Kenesis) and just announced that they will be "'reintroducing" their Hemi V8 in trucks immediately and in the new Charger will now be made available with Hemi V8.
Porsche Taycans and Audi e-Tron GT use LG Chem pouch battery cell E66A ( NCM 712 chemistry) These are also used in Chevrolet Bolts and Hyundai Konas LG Chem also make the pouch cells used in the Jaguar i-pace Every single one of those vehicles has had high profile battery issues Pouch cells, even if of high quality, are fundamentally unsuited for use in EV's because of poor structural strength and compromised thermal management. In performance cars, their use is little short of insanity
Ironic timing. I priced up a base Taycan to 260k and considering ordering one as a fun RWD. I keep cars for at least 10 years so the depreciation doesn't bother me. Shannons quoted me $5400 a year for limited (2 times a week) use and that would only drop due to depreciation. Also, looking past the price and depreciation, you'd be silly if you think its not a fun to drive, tech packed luxury car with presence.
I bought a well used (lots of dings and scratches, high mileage) 1974 Carrera for 25,000 Euro about 20 years ago. Today I could sell the thing for 100,000 Euro in less than one day.
Speaking of Porsches retaining their value, in 2004 i sold the wreck of my totaled 964 Targa , which I paid less than the equivalent of 40k € for back in the 90s, for 18k €, the guy only bought it for the engine. The insurance money bought me a two year old 996 Carrera 4 with only 1200 kilometers on it, which I sold in 2008 at a slight profit.
I knew it! I was sure Porsche would flip on EVs. Confirmation came with the last edition of "Christophrorus" the magazine Porsche sends to its customers a few times a year. It had hardly anything to say about EVs. The two or so years previous it was mostly about upcoming EV models and technology.
Last I heart was this summer when they closed down production of Porsche Cayman and Boxter because they are not making them anymore as from now on they will be electric... I have not heard anything about them going back on that ? So now only the 911 and GT4 is sold with combustion engine from Porsche, all the rest is EV`s...
Porsche is not "turning away" from EVs. The Boxster and Cayman ICE are going away, being replaced by EVs. The EV Macan and EV Cayenne are still being launched.
I have a 3.0 litre BMW Z4 E89 SDrive 2010, which I have owned for 8 years. I only have to put my foot down slightly to hear that wonderful sound from the 6 cylinders. It has lost around £650/year in value.
Not only do all ICE vehicle owners have to pay more tax than the miss guided EV brigade but we will all end up paying even more to prop up the failing car industry, failing electrical supply system and unemployed ex car builders. EV's are a disaster which ever way you look at them. The only thing they add is cost.
How to electrify a sports car. Put a good engine in it somewhere , Put a motor/generator between it and the transmission. Connect the transmission to the rear wheels Put small electric motors on each front wheel , Put in a small battery super capacitor pack to mainly power the front wheels and drive motor at launch and out of corners and maybe 20 km of range so it can pass as an EV to fool the evangelists.
A Porsche Taycan is, arguably, the ultimate status positional good : when you buy one of those, you essentially tell your neighbors : That's right! I'm so rich, I can spend over 100k on a garden dwarf!
THE most expensive aspect of getting type approval for a vehicle is tailpipe emissions, take that problem away and you save billions, a very compelling reason for a manufacturer to go electric.
I don’t think the car companies want to build these unpopular cars, they are been forced to by government fuel efficiency standards. I’m sure the companies would prefer not to deal with all this nonsense
The huge supposed profit margins in all upcoming gubmint mandated EVs to be built in a robots only assembly regime must have seemed like heaven on earth had arrived. At least to greedy deluded auto industry execs who had chosen to disregard reality.
Considering the great advances made in ICE technology, and the environmental destruction involved in the mining & production of materials required for EV batteries and motors, I forsee a moment, in the not to distant future, where ICE technology will be less damaging to the environment than EV technology. We will still have to pump oil regardless because of the many & wide uses petroleum products have for modern society.
You’re giving away the game when you say the goal of EV’s is to end all oil exploration. No one has said such a thing. What you want to see is the end of EV’s.
It's 7:30am on the island of Portland, UK. The sun's rising, the seagulls are singing, I'm smoking a joint and watching mguy with a coffee... I feel like this world still has a chance xx
Nothing like going out to buy a performance car and come back with a glorified golf cart.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Or an English milk truck.
Well some of the electric cars go 0 to 100 km/h in 2 seconds, much faster then combustion engine cars. But they are still just impractical heavy toys.
Why are golf carts electric? Is it because golf players don't want to inhale toxic fumes?
only toxic fumes are your cope.
The fastest feature of Porsche's EV
vehicles today, is how quickly
new owners get rid of them.
i thought it was the "depreciation"....
And their depreciation!
Yep, that breaks all speed records! 😂
They go electric, cus the top guys are WEF plants
Please tell this dummy what is WEF?
look at "jaaag"....
Precisely they could have called out "climate change" and taken these governments to court its not hard to disprove, but they remained silent because they are part of the agenda !
Exactly they could have called out the whole "climate change" L ie but chose to remain silent because those pushing that agenda and those pulling the strings at these companies are one and the same
Yep! That about the size of it.
there is no climate problem
Agree.
I am not in on these EVs, I think they are a disaster in the making but I disagree, there is a climate change problem, the issue is we are looking in the wrong places to try and fix it.
The climate has been changing since the beginning of time, they is nothing you or anyone cannot do about it. Stopping combustion engine is just pure draconian.
Fix what specifically?
CO2 is not a pollutant
... and all this to address a non-existent or at best a far-from-urgent alleged environmental threat...
Politicians are 100 percent to blame for this.
Vote accordingly while you still can!
Yes, CO2 = 1/2 of 1% of our air, Nitrogen = 95%. CO2 no problem, only a made up one.
Rockdumb voters are 100% to blame for it.
Vote smarter and try to education some of the rockdumbies.
YOU CAN'T FIX A PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T EXIST.
EV`s, a bad solution to a problem that ONLY exist in large cities that have trouble with exhaust pollution from cars (that is only a few cities world wide). Co2 is NOT polution, it is food for plants. And the global warming is a scam. Even if global warming was not a scam the life on earth THRIVES with more Co2 and higher temperatures.
Great comment ❤
Exactly.
You just need enough of other people’s money
EV madness is an existential threat to proper vehicle makers and they need to fight back... Taycan holds the record for the fastest 150 to 30 ( thousands of pounds ) at 18 months.
If I spent 150,000 pounds over 18 months on the lottery, I would end up with way more than 30,000 pounds.
If you understand the law of large numbers then no you wouldn't have more. The lottery is a scam that people think they can win by throwing more money at it. @Biosynchro
They can't, all the governemnts are working together to get rid of personal cars to get rid of our mobility and make us eaier to control. Covid was a test sucessful test whereby they got us to willingly stay in our houses and allowed us a maximum of 5 miles to drive.
Are these figures what’s happening in the UK?
How dare these car manufacturers put so many of their employees jobs at risk with their woke stupidity. These are real people with families and bills to pay. Wake up and show some respect to your workforce.
Because idiots elect idiotic representatives to tell them they have to do it.
They are the lackies of left wing governments. They will be sorry and broke.
Well said! I cant imagine how Jaguars shop floor employees feel in seeing their jobs fragmenting over a cliff month by month as the management go woke and tell them to keep quiet or else!!
The manufacturers are being forced to go electric. They are not choosing to.
This is part of the agenda, so we all rely on universal credit, so the stakeholders capitalists achieve their aiim for the masses: eat bugs, own nothing and be happy
I don't even own an Automatic, Manual Gearbox all the way. Why on earth would would I want an EV!
So you want a manual EV LOL JOKES
Same here, I'm a manual purist enjoying my rare 6-speed MT F-type! 🚘
@@dave24-73Hyundai IONIQ 5N.
Leftism.
Im with you. If i ever get enough money i will be converting my cars to manual.
My main concern is how to survive all of these financial and political crisis, especially in light of the US political power scuffle. The government has really called things more difficult for its citizens, and we can't sit back and bear all the consequences of the bad governance.
I think investors should always put their cash to work, especially In 2025, we'll start to see more market diversification. I'm hoping to invest about $350k of my savings in stocks against next year. Hope to make millions in 2025.
I suggest that hiring a portfolio coach is a smart move and that in this case, patience is your best friend. I make a lot of investments and cannot afford to take the risk of doing it alone. Instead, since the rona outbreak began in late 2019, my portfolio has been maintained by a qualified advisor. I only need about $86k more to reach my one million dollar ROI goal
Yes true, I have been in touch with a brokerage Advisor. With an initial starting reserve of $75k, my advisor chooses the entry and exit commands for my portfolio, which has grown to approximately $550k.
Please can you leave the info of your Investment advisor here? I'm in dire need for one
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If I won a performance EV, I would sell it as fast as possible.
I wouldn't even enter that competition
@@alivekicking6247 Me too.
That's providing you could find a mug.
@ES-nx7hl 💯 and if someone os offering to _give_ an EV to me? No Ty 😅
You'd have to sell it pretty fast to beat the depreciation !
It's really far more environmentally sound to drive your ICE vehicle for 20+ years than to buy/lease an EV and replace it every 7-10 years.
7? EV fleet vehicles will be swapped out every 3.
But perception.. the brainwashed masses want to be seen driving the right thing. Wearing the mask...
Leases are renewed at 5 yrs tops
Stand on the streets of Bangkok and say that. You been watching too much MISINFORMATION.
Every 4 or 5
The government officials and bureaucrats who are pushing all this need to be held PERSONALLY accountable.
They won’t be. They never are. The only way to hold them accountable is voting them out. But considering half the voters in any country are complete idiots, there’s not much to be done.
I agree. They are the cause of the failures and should be personally held responsible. Of course that will never happen
Too bad they are the ones making and changing the laws. Proles can do nothing besides go to mass strike for example.
@@paulr7547 things are changing. The Reptilians are getting restless. They know they are cornered. They won't last. They will fail before the truth.
No the companies just need to grow a pair and this shit is all over
The Taycan - the only car in history to do 0 to $100k depreciation faster than it does 0 to 100kph acceleration - an inspiring technical achievement.
I have a 1966 beetle, and the engine is the heart of the car. Any other engine or electrification would ruin it.
Rich people do not buy digital electric CASIO watches. They buy expensive mechanical (and often hand-built) watches. Luxury and high-performance vehicle buyers are the same. They want well-engineered engine in their cars, not battery and electric motors because once it is electric all vehicles drive the same. The only time electric vehicle make sense are those cheap small city runabout with 20-25kwh battery pack. At least in that application, it makes a strong compelling case as it can make the drive smoother more refined than traditional city cars
Exactly! Agree 100%
Yeah an enclosed glorified golf cart is all people need in town would make sense to sell small ev cars for city use only since that's all their good for and continue to sell ice vehicles for those who drive a lot of miles a day in and out of towns
Nothing that needs endurance, constant high power or quick refilling is a good application of electric propulsion. Those never will be good applications for it.
As a Peugeot 107 owner (with the tough Daihatsu/Toyota 1KR-FE nugget), I totally disagree with your view on the small electric city cars. Yes, they are smoother since they don't even have a manual transmission but city cars as we know them can go out of town because of their efficiency (say doing 60 at 5th gear at ~2700rpm). Electric city cars cannot do that. Not to mention the "15-minute cities" plan, of which electric city cars are a big part.
Great point, the rich buy proven, quality, engineered items. The only people buying these expensive EVs are virtue signalling types in Hollywood etc.
Nothing like asking their CUSTOMERS what they want to buy instead of asking the GOVERNMENT what they should be selling. Now WE ALL get to pay for their mistakes in the cost of new cars
NOT HAPPNING. NEVER gonna buy a new porsche again
It's not that unusual to see old cars that are over fifty years old and in like new condition, I highly doubt any electric car in everyday use will be that old.
One of my almost daily driven Mercedes is 56 years old. Not mint but in very good order.
@OM617a I drive a jeep cj5 from the mid sixties and I use it for what it was made for and it is definitely in no worse shape now than when it was brand new.
@@klimatbluffen Keep your old cars for as long as possible, in the future real analogue cars will be a rare commodity.
@klimatbluffen Correct, even the Prius (hybrid). You see 1-2 every 6 mos.
My daily driver will be an '88 Toyota AE92 Corolla that has a carburetor and stick shift. The support for this car is very good and parts are cheap. I know it's slow, but it's dependable. I'll fix some paint. I plan to be driving it past 40 years old. I'm looking for an AE92 or AE101 wagon. Some of this generation Corolla have 1 million owner claimed miles.
The pr statement basically is saying that our attempt to destroy our brand is not going as quickly as we thought it would. It's going to take more time.
I don't understand why these "cars" are so expensive, they are basically a weatherproof PlayStation with four wheels and a drivetrain as advanced as a cordless drill.
My wife worked for a guy who regularly changed his pricey carS. He had an ongoing order for new Ferraris and got the latest one automatically, he would change his top of the range customised Jaguar within a year with only a couple of thousand miles on the clock. He would also buy the odd other high priced cars to 'try out' every so often.
All bar the Ferraris would lose money but the Ferraris would gain in value due to rarity.
A small judge of his mind set, he would pop over to New York on Concord with his wife for a shopping trip but a comment to my wife for not giving a raise in wages to his most important worker was, "He will only drink it away at the pub".
yeah it just magnets and coils
It's the materials in the batteries - that's over half the value.
Car safety druids showed up long before Globull warming and were stonewalled by industry for decades. Then somebody must have thought "What if there were cheap new "profit centres" easily disguised as costly safety mandates ?" Bonus points for realizing that the biggest companies would be helped and the government would be making things tougher for smaller competitors.
Ps4 pro is even louder😁
Car makers should put all the effort they put into making EVs into giving politicians hell for inflicting this nonsense on them
Right on!
I'm amazed you named Toyota, who were totally against EVs by their acts and got called out by stupid media for doing less for environment.
True
And April 23 to March 24 was the most profitable year in the Toyotas history, expanded model lineup, more racing investment, consistently reliable cars, sounds like the plan worked to me
Toyota has the most successful electric so far. Prius.
Toyota was smart in sticking with what they are good at; hybrids, and not rushing into EVs.
Porsche needs to pump the brakes hard on the EV nightmare they created.
And they knew it was a crock the whole time. They also knew from a price and functionality standpoint that a hybrid achieves as much of the benefits of ev with the least amount of.cost.
Time governments admitted they got it badly wrong. Here in the UK the total cost of the barmy Labour governments drive to net zero is going to cost a mind blowing 328 billion pounds.
They don't care how much it costs.
Their concept of gov't is that spending more money solves everything. If it's not working, spend _even more._ If that doesn't work, spend EVEN MORE.
All paid for by taxpayers
The true cost will be in the £trillions, do not forget to include loss of industrial capacity and jobs..... Due to sky-high electricity prices.
@@chrissmith2114 Correct
Labour are a Clown show...
Far too many auto makers believed the lie that "EVs replacing internal combustion is like internal combustion replacing horses".
true! It's still not a revolution to change the horse's food :-) It's still a car. But some people thinks maked-up relics from the 19th century are revolutionary.
@@MikeInc79yeah that is like replacing horse with donkey for transportation back then.
Horses are still way more popular than EVs in the US, there's about twice as many!
@SteveLomas-k6k i have a cabin in Lexington, horse country, and horses outnumber EVs probably 10 to one around there, and that's with plenty of EVs being 3rd or 4th vehicles, behind a HD truck, SUV, and/or a sports car.
Senior management are as out of touch as politicians.
EV’s depreciate faster than last year’s laptop……….
Anyone putting down over a $150k for an impractical car with just 2 seats and no trunk could care less about fuel economy… they want performance and luxury…. Which goes against the idea of batteries powered vehicles.
The Taycan GTS is one of the best performing Porsche models ever, and is very luxurious. So you have no idea what you are talking about.
Actually MGUY, Aston Martin is the only automaker other than Toyota that has not fully embraced the EV madness. IIRC their boss said that they will keep making ICE vehicle and can just add £15000 on top of the MSRP to make up for the penaulty because their clientele still want and are willing to pay the premium to get ICE engine.
Astons are the only marque I'm still crazy about. It would be unthinkable for them to go under because of EV madness after surviving on the brink for many decades.
toyota has once landed on ev madness sometimes ago, it's bZ4x.
It's total madness that is curbing R & D on biofuels and synthetic fuels that can also be carbon neutral while still running cars that are less polluting and more ethical to build than EVs.
UK Labour gov is so up with the agenda they would simply up the fine to £100k
Aston Martin is very smart!
When you said nobody that loves Porsche would buy a Porsche EV, I and you know of 1 who did, and regrets it. The MacMaster. Still love your and his vids. Keep up the good work.
Dodge announced it's moving 5.7, 6.2 ans 6.4 Hemi production from Mexico to the USA. So much for no more Hemi V8s.
Yes. That's the good news. The bad news is that there will be damn-all USA jobs created because the plants will be highly automated. . . .
That was in response to Der Fuhrer Trump's new high tariff promises on Mexican made krapito-mobiles.
Porshe should have never tried to go EV. The ICE fad is not for sports/performance cars. Who wants to spend a quarter million for an EV with the same drivetrain as a Tesla?
Porsche buyers did complain a lot when they changed Cayman / Boxer from 6 cylinder boxer to 4 with turbo even of they made 50hp more power (and can easily be tuned to give 200+ more hp). And they expect people to buy the new planned ONLY electric versions lol. The people that buy Porsche wants REAL cars, not electric toys and many spend 5000 to 10.000 $ modifying their Porsche to give MORE sound !!! ... Even if the electric toy have 500hp more no one will want them.
So instead Porsche buyers want a car with the same antiquated drivetrain as a Lada?
You know what else are electric?
Dishwashers.
I didn't know that I need to charge my wife. 🤦
Toasters
And Dysons
@@deanrockett3110 And electric salt and pepper shakers.
This just wants me to go all Tim the tool man Taylor and turn my dishwasher into a gas powered washing beast with more power! Grunt grunt grunt.
I love my 911, the sound is an integral part of the experience, without that it would lose it's soul, I don't want an electric golf cart.
R.I.P. Jagayuar ☹
A man who talks the TRUTH !!
Keep up the good work . EVs
The Blame lays with the 🥬 Politicians who forced this garbage upon the Manufacturers, Diesel will remain the 👑 of Fuel though.
Meanwhile, 50,000 Teslas in storage around the USA and Germany…..
Wrong Typ of Modells.
Yeah, but other EV sales are rising quickly, while gas and diesel sales are dropping. Tesla sales are slowing not because they are EVs, but because Tesla has shit quality, limited models, and terrible service.
We need to stop taking advice from finger wagging politicians, most of whom have never had a useful or meaningful job in the entirety or their life.
and also stop voting for them and their parties.
Porsche hasn't "finally" realized the importance of ICE cars to their brand, they have been on this for a long time. They've been investing in synthetic fuel research and infrastructure for that very reason.
The EV problem is really not a car company problem for the most part, it's been a China problem and a Green government problem. The car companies have been forced into EVs (except the China owned ones which went there to sell China's global domination plans).
Governments have been out to destroy the auto industry for a while now, the first major hit was the tens of billions VW had to pay for fooling tests, meanwhile other manufacturers who were doing the same thing got a slap on the wrist, and the reason was that VW embarrassed government bodies.
If they could release the simplest and cheapest ICE car and strip out all the fancy tech stuff, even the electric windows, I bet there would now be a market for it, but I realise they are prevented from doing that. We just want to go from A2B in the most efficient cheapest way possible.
I would buy one!
You mean the return of the Trabant?
@@Puzzoozoo I was thinking more of a Lada, not sure what a Trabant is? I hear in Moscow they have given up German cars and have now got cheap Chinese ones.
Jeremy Clarkson said it best describing a BMW some years ago. "It's just 16 feet of car".
Have you seen the Miami container explosion?
I have view the Video of this Container Explosion!
Maguey did a video about it yesterday.
Tolle deutsche Aussprache! Respekt!
Love your new intro
Yep definitely muscle cars are what they are because of their engine power and no battery can ever replace that. Also petrol engines will stay with us for eternity because there is never going to be any jerry can of batteries that is going to have more energy than same jerry can of petrol. The only way to beat petrol engines is to have something nuclear and small to fit in a car and that's another 300 years away from now simply because only few nations so far have nuclear power stations and this idea of having nuclear cars is probably also bad for environment and dangerous in wrong hands so petrol and diesel are winners now and will be winners for eternity.
Yes the acceleration is great, but in the real world EV performance off the line is pointless dick waving exercise. EVs meant to be about economy / ecology.
Petrol performance is about nimble handling lightness, man & machine not man and heavy computer. Leave that for the daily grinders.
EV's are surely doomed, their depreciation is huge, they set on fire, the insurance costs are skyrocketing...
You can tell what's up by how the insurance companies act and how skittish they are. Their behavior is worth a thousand studies about how ostensibly "safe" EVs are.
@AlanRoberts-xy4wu the insurance companies won’t touch them. The risk to them having to pay out is greater
So much bullshit FUD. If insurance companies will not touch EVs, then how do the millions of us who drive EVs get them insured? Why did our insurance premium not change when we traded the gas Silverado for an electric Silverado?
Also, ICE cars burn more often than EVs. ICE cars, despite the FUD, also are more likely to be written off in a collision.
My wife worked for a guy who regularly changed his pricey carS. He had an ongoing order for new Ferraris and got the latest one automatically, he would change his top of the range customised Jaguar within a year with only a couple of thousand miles on the clock. He would also buy the odd other high priced cars to 'try out' every so often.
All bar the Ferraris would lose money but the Ferraris would gain in value due to rarity.
A small judge of his mind set, he would pop over to New York on Concord with his wife for a shopping trip but a comment to my wife for not giving a raise in wages to his most important worker was, "He will only drink it away at the pub".
If they want to keep up with changes in battery technology, they should make the battery easier to swap out.
China's EV market is starting to fall apart. Even some of the highly acclaimed EV start up companies have shut up shop due to sales but also due to the warranty repair costs the company has had to fulfil when the cars fail under warranty.
As writing this I am currently in Prague and its rare to spot EV's as most cars are either new diesel or petrol cars or 15+ year old cars such as Skoda, Volvo, SAAB and other's.
China EVs problems are huge.
The Chinese profit dream is over and the EU model will fall in 18 months.
Lucas, Prince of Depreciation. A few years ago I was in a National Sales Meeting of one of Germany's largest machine tool builders and they were bragging that no Euro Auto or US Mfg had any new IC engines on the board. However that wasn't true because Toyota, Honda and Nissan had new engines in design. I have no interest in doing business with the Germans but all those idiots got sucked into this EV BS because they didn't speak up.
Customers like to make the discovery themselves, they like to workout what is best for their lives. Some customers are like good little children, when the Government (parent) tells them something is a good idea, they do as they're told and rush out to buy an EV, like a good little boy. Adults, tend to want to assess a product or situation and make an informed decision. EVs do have a place in the market and if they do, then EVs should not need incentives or tax breaks, instead they should contribute to the tax take like the ICE cars do.
Macmaster documents his EV Taycan journey...
Cost £130,000 three years ago.
Value today £30,000.
That’s not depreciation that’s a disaster.
Lost patience with him years back. 30mins of video that says "my car is shyte"
Have you seen EU version of BMW’s ad? It shows all cool roaring sports cars doing drifts etc, then moves to an electric new bad looking BMW taking turns and doing straight lines.
One of the worst ADs i have seen so far.
I mean “let’s get them excited and then bore them to death”.
Who in the world thought of that?
Its simply a disgrace for another storied brands to go virtue signalling. Especially those with great engine technologies like Toyota, Honda and premium brands like BMW and Porsche,
I'm keeping my 2004 Boxster S as long as possible.
I’ve been buying new Porsche since my first one in 1984. I have a 991.2 4s presently and went to talk to my dealer about ordering or buying a new 911 turbo s off the lot. I was told even though you’ve bought 4 Porsches from us - you’d need to give us a $50,000 deposit and wait 3 years or so. As for new inventory- there were none - but… there we however several used ones with only several thousand miles on the clock. It seems the only people that get to buy a new 911 in the higher trims are speculators. Then those people abuse the cars for 6 months to a year and then flip them back to the same dealer. Oh and these “pre owned models” are marked up $40,000 to $100,000 over msrp list. They did say I could buy a new Taycan immediately, though. I went from loving the brand to hating it. And here I am with cash, ready to give them $270,000 and they can’t be bothered. Yet - they are laying off people. This is what happens to companies that go woke….
I really cannot understand the people who like modern, watercooled Porsches. I deal with Porsche all my life and I owned, driven and sold literally hundreds of them. But those plastic things with watercooled engines and all that emissions crap do absolutely nothing for me.
not only are chinese sales sliding but I bet all porsches intellectual property is now in the hands of the ccp 🤣 chinese porsche copies are already being sold
There is a Taycan copy and it is famed in China for it awful build quality and terrible technology failing.
@@bentullett6068 i know about the Xiaomi SU7, thats china for you cheap knock offs that don't work, all their evs come with a free hazmat experience 🤣
@@bentullett6068 rather like to original then. Mc Master has had loads of recalls to put things right on his Taycan
Even BYD has put it's workers on shorter hours as demand wanes. Chinese EV makers are disappearing due to bankruptcy on a weekly basis.
@@Anonymous-ib8so the Chinese one is even worse from what I have seen on channels reporting the things that the Chinese government try to hide.
For all the people that have so much money they love to waste it on buying a EV, I have some excellent advice for you. Buy shares in companies like Valmet Automotive and other EV related companies, like EV charger makers, EV charger maintenance companies etc. And then you can sit back and watch your money just dwindle away as the the share price goes down and down, but hurry buy them now before the companies go bankrupt like Lion Electric, Arrival, Northvolt, EVBox, Tritium chargers, etc etc Act now before it's to late and they have all gone, EV companies need your money to waste.
I'm glad you pronounced Porsche and Automobilwoche the correct way :)
Buyin a Boxster and then a 911 Carrera 4S is a dream of mine.
So I play around with the Porsche configurator from time to time.
I will NEVER buy an electric Boxster/Cayman. Apart from all the negatives of EV cars and there are many, electric cars add too much weight and it defeats the purpose of a Boxster/Cayman being a lighter sports car.
I don’t know if it is because Porsche are losing money in China or simply too much greed but the prices for the 911s are entering ridiculous areas.
I am aware Porsche has some of the highest profit margins but currently I think they are delusional.
Let’s hope the market knocks some sense into Porsche!
What’s faster then a Porsche ev……….it’s depreciation 👍
Dodge (Stellantis) has fired their EV crazy CEO who cancelled their performance V8s (also brought back MoPar Jesus Tim Kenesis) and just announced that they will be "'reintroducing" their Hemi V8 in trucks immediately and in the new Charger will now be made available with Hemi V8.
Are they bringing back v8 Maseratis?
They've all gone woke ?
Some are woke. Some are following the money. Perhaps xChinax is orchestrating engineering all this.. destruction of all competition.
Porsche Taycans and Audi e-Tron GT use LG Chem pouch battery cell E66A ( NCM 712 chemistry)
These are also used in Chevrolet Bolts and Hyundai Konas
LG Chem also make the pouch cells used in the Jaguar i-pace
Every single one of those vehicles has had high profile battery issues
Pouch cells, even if of high quality, are fundamentally unsuited for use in EV's because of poor structural strength and compromised thermal management.
In performance cars, their use is little short of insanity
LG have always been B grade lithium and a reputation for failures. Always steer clear of that brand.
Ironic timing. I priced up a base Taycan to 260k and considering ordering one as a fun RWD. I keep cars for at least 10 years so the depreciation doesn't bother me. Shannons quoted me $5400 a year for limited (2 times a week) use and that would only drop due to depreciation. Also, looking past the price and depreciation, you'd be silly if you think its not a fun to drive, tech packed luxury car with presence.
"with presence"?
nothing without a manual box is fun to drive
I sold my air cooled 911 for the same price that I paid for it and could have sold it for more if my petrol head niece wasnt the buyer.😂
I bought a well used (lots of dings and scratches, high mileage) 1974 Carrera for 25,000 Euro about 20 years ago. Today I could sell the thing for 100,000 Euro in less than one day.
Speaking of Porsches retaining their value, in 2004 i sold the wreck of my totaled 964 Targa , which I paid less than the equivalent of 40k € for back in the 90s, for 18k €, the guy only bought it for the engine. The insurance money bought me a two year old 996 Carrera 4 with only 1200 kilometers on it, which I sold in 2008 at a slight profit.
I knew it! I was sure Porsche would flip on EVs. Confirmation came with the last edition of "Christophrorus" the magazine Porsche sends to its customers a few times a year. It had hardly anything to say about EVs. The two or so years previous it was mostly about upcoming EV models and technology.
Last I heart was this summer when they closed down production of Porsche Cayman and Boxter because they are not making them anymore as from now on they will be electric... I have not heard anything about them going back on that ? So now only the 911 and GT4 is sold with combustion engine from Porsche, all the rest is EV`s...
Porsche is not "turning away" from EVs. The Boxster and Cayman ICE are going away, being replaced by EVs. The EV Macan and EV Cayenne are still being launched.
How long before the penny drops with all the other car manufacturers?
As always, Liked & Shared.
IMO ---> EVs still suck.
Steam trains are the future 👌 we will be using old technology one day.
You aren’t wrong, the future looks very much like the past, The Cutty Sark will one day be brought out of retirement…
@mcihs2 historical car sales have gone up by 43%. How true this is but people will find an easier way.
In Australia they were going to market a new EV known as the Dunnycan.
what and end up in rows down the bottom of the garden
like pictures of 60 year ago
gb
Thanks
I have a 3.0 litre BMW Z4 E89 SDrive 2010, which I have owned for 8 years. I only have to put my foot down slightly to hear that wonderful sound from the 6 cylinders. It has lost around £650/year in value.
Thanks!
I am lucky to have owned 911, s for the past 12 years and would never never never buy a Porsche EV 😢 let me reiterate that Never
Thank you for pronouncing "Porsche" correctly, Simon. I can't stand it when people say "Porsh," as if it were a French name.
And a 1973 440 road runner kinda guy.
the whole point of a sports car is road presence. The sound of the engine is equally as important as the design.
Keep on to 100k subs, Simon! I'm grateful for your reports! You speak for millions of us.
Not only do all ICE vehicle owners have to pay more tax than the miss guided EV brigade but we will all end up paying even more to prop up the failing car industry, failing electrical supply system and unemployed ex car builders.
EV's are a disaster which ever way you look at them.
The only thing they add is cost.
How to electrify a sports car.
Put a good engine in it somewhere , Put a motor/generator between it and the transmission.
Connect the transmission to the rear wheels
Put small electric motors on each front wheel ,
Put in a small battery super capacitor pack to mainly power the front wheels and drive motor at launch and out of corners and maybe 20 km of range so it can pass as an EV to fool the evangelists.
Keep up the good work Simon, EV's aren't the future.
A Porsche Taycan is, arguably, the ultimate status positional good : when you buy one of those, you essentially tell your neighbors : That's right! I'm so rich, I can spend over 100k on a garden dwarf!
Well, it's like re-introducing a 'Concorde' looking airplane that has a ceiling of 30,000 Ft and a max speed of 450mph, range 600 miles.
and then naming it "Mach III turbo"
I would have pronounced the German trade magazine Automobilwoche as Automobilewoke.
No ozone. No issue
No fuel. Still got fuel
Antarctica sinking. We gonna flood. Nothing happened
Always something for more taxes
THE most expensive aspect of getting type approval for a vehicle is tailpipe emissions, take that problem away and you save billions, a very compelling reason for a manufacturer to go electric.
I don’t think the car companies want to build these unpopular cars, they are been forced to by government fuel efficiency standards. I’m sure the companies would prefer not to deal with all this nonsense
We didn't see that coming....
clairvoyant said that
CLOSED TO UNFOR SEEN Circumstances
The huge supposed profit margins in all upcoming gubmint mandated EVs to be built
in a robots only assembly regime must have seemed like heaven on earth had arrived.
At least to greedy deluded auto industry execs who had chosen to disregard reality.
37000€ is what you lose as soon as you sign a taycan contract thats the price of the battery which brands refuse to buyback in a tradein
Considering the great advances made in ICE technology, and the environmental destruction involved in the mining & production of materials required for EV batteries and motors, I forsee a moment, in the not to distant future, where ICE technology will be less damaging to the environment than EV technology. We will still have to pump oil regardless because of the many & wide uses petroleum products have for modern society.
You’re giving away the game when you say the goal of EV’s is to end all oil exploration. No one has said such a thing. What you want to see is the end of EV’s.
The advert before this video…Antonio Banderas flogging an EV😂
I just checked used Taycans for sale within 50 miles of my residence near Scottsdale. There were 110 cars to buy. Sheesh
It's 7:30am on the island of Portland, UK. The sun's rising, the seagulls are singing, I'm smoking a joint and watching mguy with a coffee... I feel like this world still has a chance xx
DOING THE SAME HERE IRELAND
I don’t need a joint knowing I have a supercharged Jaguar F type waiting for me in my garage.
It's about time!
Stay Safe my good man! Cheers
Was a time here in dublin a porsche was a rare sight on the roads.now there are so many about the wow factor is gone.