GORGEOUS. American Reacts to Stephen Fry on Political Correctness
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- Опубліковано 21 чер 2024
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Stephen Fry is one of the most eloquent and intelligent people in the world, he is beautiful, funny kind and an absolute treasure, he’s on my “ fantasy dinner guest” list
If he's on your list you'll be waiting a helluva long time for dinner since he's on just about everyone else's
@@user-jq7dn9kg8d I know, but it’s nice to dream
Me too. I might not agree with everything he believes in, but he is a cool bloke and I would love to have a chat with him.
Fry and Attenborough at the table. would you get a word in? But then again, would you want to. 😀
You, sir, have been more incorrect on previous occasions.
This man has done so much for us that have suffered from mental health issues,sharing his own.I bow to him.
Boys, girls and women suffer from mental health issues.
Men do not.
We just get the job done, don't got time to sit down and cry.
Stephen Fry is highly intelligent, well read, knowledgeable open-minded, humble and non judgmental. For me, his greatest gift is his ability to come up with and use the perfect word here and there and everywhere to say exactly what he means to say without ambiguity. I could listen to him for hours. I respect and admire him immensely. You should react to the debate he did with Christopher Hitchens about whether the Catholic Church is a force for good.
I second that motion!
Stephen was educated in the Classics. He has a wide vocabulary and a strong command of the language. There was a time when his eloquence wouldn’t have been considered quite so remarkable. The drop in standards of grammar and vocabulary are largely to blame, but no one is allowed to say that anymore. Apparently it’s all good as long as the person you are talking to understands what you’re saying.
And yet, at the end of it all, we all know that people like Stephen are able to communicate more accurately and effectively, and it’s not simple pedantry or self-aggrandisement.
You should definitely watch the Catholic Church debate!
Some say that if you were going to take part in a debate with Christopher Hitchens, and Christopher Hitchens was on the opposing site, you've already lost the debate.
He once said ' You know people have this impression that if you swear you have a low vocabulary. This is Arse-Gravey of the highest calibre'.
If I was EVER stuck in a lift, I hope it's with him
for me it's a tie between Fry, Adam Savage or James May :P
@@mattybob12310 Add Brian Blessed.
I was stuck on a lift onc. It would have been really helpful if Stephen Fry had been there.
Universities used to be the place where "free thinkers" could study, discuss and think outside the box.
Oxford and Cambridge universities didn't become the seat of great thinkers and inventors by telling people what to think and what to discuss, they became that way by NOT limiting what to think or discuss.
Critical thinking is how society is allowed to move forward.
Restricted thinking is how society moves backwards.
I'm a 62 year old straight guy and Stephen fry is the person I most want to hug.
What a beautiful human being.
✌🏻❤🇬🇧
Well said!
A tiny fraction of their history that was true. Historically, until say the late 50s, universities taught orthodoxy. There was a brief window when everyone just got stoned. The west was rich and yes decadent. I recall that Newton famously left university and researched alone. In fact I ask you, when do you feel that universities embraced independent thinking? The middle ages? The 1900s?
*Should* that be their ideal. Yes. But today they are just plain scams.
Oxford and Cambridge??? The places if you didn't tie your tire correctly you would be expelled? The places you needed to be of a certain class to attend in the first place?
@@jeremykothe2847 that's right, the universities where most of the modern world was invented. That's how it used to be, now almost anyone can get in and now they're full of blue hair babes studying subjects that end in debt and unemployment.
In a conversation reciprocal respect is essential
Spoken like a true centrist.
Stephen Fry is such a gem.
Stephen Fry might be the best example of a raconteur...very knowledgeable, very entertaining, very consice yet descriptive, realistic debater and a formidable writer.
He was talking about Harvey Weinstein which led to the Me Too movement
It’s in a way tangentially playing on the Popperian Paradox: to protect tolerance one must be intolerant towards intolerance…
Stephen Fry and Huge Laurie were a double act out of university. They both attended Queen College Cambridge University. That's why they're capable of reasoned and articulate debate.
Huge Laurie also represented Footlights College, Oxbridge on the TV show University Challenge back in the day too! (On the Young Ones, of course)
@@makcity7850 Huge made it big as Dr. Bungalow.
If l‘m permitted to attempt humour without being perceived as a troll… Huge Lorry is my worst fear on the motorway 😂 Unfortunately it appears that spelling correction has not been kind and corrected Hugh to Huge. Well it made me laugh 🤷🏻♂️😊
*Hugh
Hmm, not sure about that.
Many fools, especially politicians have come out of Oxbridge.
Absolutely worth it to watch this full debate. Also, if so inclined, there is an episode of "The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson" where no audience tickets were sold and no other guests were booked. So it's just Craig and Stephen Fry sitting on chairs in the middle of the stage talking about their lives in the UK. Absolutely one of my fav moments in TV history.
If you're looking for intellectual entertainment, watch the intelligence squareed debate with Fry and Hitchen teaming up against the catholic churc.
You said entertainment and recommended devastation
@@tanepukenga1421 shhhh, no spoilers :)
Teaming up against the RC church is what Satan does too
@@CaptainDarrick A pretend thing doesn't do anything but what you pretend.
B@@lazyshooter23It will be very real soon enough
Stephen is always interesting to watch,he will say things most people don't have the nerve/confidence to say publicly,you may not agree with everything he says but it's refreshing and dddenlightening to see/hear.One thing I've learnt in my 76 years is that I'm certain of very little and know little,when I was 20 years Old I was certain of most things and knew everything , now I realise only dictators and despots are people who sure they are right about everything .Glad you enjoyed Stephen, he's a national treasure in the UK .If you would like to see a lighter, humourous side of him watch him in the television show Q .I.(quite interesting) it's humourous and intelligent ❤.
Well done Heidi, you chose really well .
I don't really care about celebrities, and I never get "star-struck". That being said, Steven Fry is the only person I can think of - that I haven't yet met - who's hand I would love to shake and thank for being who he is. A good person, through and through.
I had the chance to do this with Terry Pratchett, for the same reason.
Stephen Fry is the very best that humanity has to offer. Do yourself a favor and do not stop looking into everything you can find from our Mr. Fry.
Steven is a treasure, to bad treasures eventually disappear
Or rather, treasures are (Mostly) spent by the debt of society until they become valued less and less, have been spent entirely, or the nation in which they were taken from claims them back as their own, comforting them in a warm embrace of retirement.. O_o
(I'll be honest, Not sure where my analogy fell off as I was typing it. But I continued regardless.)
The treasure that is Stephen Fry will never disappear, any more than Hitchens or Russel or Twain will...
Call me what you want, how you treat me is what matters.
How true !
No need to feel sorry for others, live your own life and fight your own personal battles that imacts your and your daily existence "personally".
I await the wrath of the do-goodin Woke brigade.You feeling better does not necessarily make the "down trodden" feel any better.
Have you seen any of "A Little Bit of Fry and Laurie?" A sketch comedy show with Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie... Well worth a look.
Great comedy partnership,I loved the sketch where they're a 2 man 'business' discussing corporate takeovers,international expansion etc,I'm almost certain it was based on an 80's soap called 'Howard's way',delusions of grandeur.
Stephen Fry has an amazing life story from skipping school...borrowing a family friends coat to sleep rough which had a credit card in the pocket. Getting arrested for theft of said credit card and spending 3 months in a young offenders institute to getting good grades on his school exams on release and passing the entrance exam for Cambridge to study on a scholarship. Getting an honours degree and meeting his fellow comedy actors during this time like Rowan Atkinson (Mr Bean to many) and Hugh Laurie (of House fame). Both of which he starred alongside in successful tv programs.
He's also talked openly about growing up gay in the 60s and 70s when unfortunately you could still be jailed in the UK if caught liaising with a person of the same sex.
Fry, of course, is indeed a man of broad interests and a depth of knowledge. He attended Cambridge University with Hugh Laurie and Emma Thompson, surely a dynamic trio of life-long friends. In addition to his Cambridge MA, he holds honorary doctorates from five other universities and has authored about 20 books and scripted the comedy series A Bit of Fry and Laurie. My grandkids love his audio book recordings of all the Harry Potter books too.
You do know he putts from the rough, right?
On some things I'm on the left, on some things I'm on the right, on most things I'm somewhere mostly in the middle. In Stephen Frys desired world I'd be a person, in PC culture I'm a traitor, a fool and a self-hater. But they don't bring me arguments, they try to force compliance. If you're taken hostage you may comply but what does it do to the heart? You're not swaying me to your side. Like those climate activists spraypanting stonehenge? I care about the environment, but by trying to be that forceful, my first thought is 'lets go dump some oil in a lake or something'. Let people be people, we're all multifaceted. If there's an extreme action there will be an extreme reaction. PC is how you get people that agree 80% with you to go 'F all you have to say'.
It feels like the problem is people just don't have enough respect for each other's individual experiences. I don't give PC any weight because when I'm speaking to someone, the only thing that matters is how they individually respond to me. The internet removes that connection, and that's why this is almost entirely an internet problem.
I'm left on most things because of the life I've lived. My mother is disabled and unable to work and relies on government housing and social security to have a roof over her head and food. Someone without that experience might look at "welfare" as something to be taken advantage of, something that promotes laziness. I see it as a necessity that does far more good than harm, and the entire reason I pay taxes - to help those who need it and who I cannot personally give everything to myself.
No one should be called a traitor, but I do think there's too little understanding on both sides of this. Different people have different experiences, and some are hurt immensely by decisions that do not at all impact others. So those people are, out of necessity, going to get more upset than others. I feel this any time cutting social security comes up. For some, this means a later retirement. For me, this means my mother loses everything.
We have to stop treating discussions we see online as if they are indicative of the way people act in the real world, most of all. Social media boosts the worst "PC" takes because those are the things that generate discourse. In reality, all "political correctness" is, in an individual conversation, is asking that a person listen to you and respect that your experiences and perspectives might be different. It's courtesy. No one can force it, but we can all expect it from people if they want us to respect them in return.
You do know Fry putts from the rough, right?
I can also greatly recommend Stephen Fry's audiobook, which is just 10 hours of the same kind of amazing eloquence!
Harvey Weinstein is the person being talked about
mmmmm Me too
The problem with an open mind is people trying to put stuff into it - Terry Pratchett
Countries like Denmark have a variety political parties you can vote for in between the extreme left or extreme right. You can argue that nothing gets done then but actually the end result seem to be that in most cases no political party has enough votes alone to make legislations. So they have to include other parties and come to a compromise. I think both the US and the UK could learn from this
Agree. Our democracy seems much healthier that the US and UK
It was once said that Quentin Crisp was the last living wit (obviously when he was still alive).
I propose that it is in fact Stephen Fry.
And I can only hope someone else will take over as intellectual heroes are far and few between these days.
Just subscribed, I adore anything Stephen Fry and love his books too. His autobiographies, his books on myths educate so many and his soothing audible, Harry Potter books are soothing. A fine actor, comedian and tv presenter and humble, gentleman, imo, deserves much recognition. Imo. 🇬🇧👵❤
I'm happy you watched this video. I'm European and I don't subscribe to either political views wholy. I just know that I'm always for freedom of speech. I never liked the religious censorship nor do I like this new political censorship
You can but envy people who can put their thoughts out in such a beatiful way. I do too, in my head, but what vomes out is garbage😊
Political correctness has often been weaponised (for various reasons) to hide incorrectness rather than to allow the actual discussion of it, and how it may be solved. Which, as Mr Fry suggests, is what is really what is needed.
If I remember rightly "the black guy" called Peterson "an angry white guy" which didn't help anyone take him seriously.
I have not seen the whole thing, so I don’t know the context, but as a point of rhetoric, it’s somewhat undercutting your point that _you_ are referring to “the black guy” (quotes or otherwise) but not mentioning his name, while mentioning Peterson’s. Google tells me his name is Michael Eric Dyson, fyi, but again, haven’t watched the thing, not vouching for anyone’s opinion either way, and I’m not presuming anything about what your opinions either, just commenting on the words as written.
@@ferchrissakes How else do you identify the black guy without saying the black guy. It's not racist to use the unique identifying feature to identify someone.
There's nothing negative or racist about being black or pointing out someone is black any more than saying tall or fat, it's just an identifying feature, and the only unique one that helps identify him.
I don't know his name, so physical appearance is obviously the next step in identifying him uniquely out of the four, just as the woman would have identified the only women in the group.
All you're demonstrating is precisely the policing of words and being offended for someone else that Stephen Fry was actually talking about.
Were they even introduced or referenced by name in this clip? I don't remember.
@@daveofyorkshire301 "How else do you identify ..." - oh, well, that's simple. By looking up his name, if you take the time to criticize him. It is not that you referred to him, like he referred to Jordan Peterson, it is that you did not take the time to even look up his name. Which - could - be interpreted to your disadvantage in this case.
@@imcrazedandconfused Why put effort into finding out his name when there is a singular characteristic that easily identifies him? You're so afraid to even say the word black these days it's ridiculous.
He is a black man. That uniquely identifies him in this group, just as the woman identifies the one sat next to him. Get over your prejudice and realize being black or saying black is not an insult, it's merely a descriptive term to uniquely identify someone.
If he had one leg and I said the one-legged man would you be equally insulted on his behalf? Get over your own bigotry and prejudices and don't assign them to me.
Who wrote the rule of not criticizing someone just because you don't know their name? Are you making rules up?
@@daveofyorkshire301 I never thought black is an insult. But you should seriously think about your own bigotry and not mine.
Been a fan of Stephen Fry's tv comedy work since the 80s. A bit of Fry and Laurie was really amazing.. He did that together with Hugh Laurie (aka Dr. House)
Stephen Fry's eloquent way of conversing is that he makes his argumentation intop a poetic discourse
If you going to watch this, be prepared to get your blood boiling, if you like this speech from Fry. The opposing side just drum up Political correct wordsalads.
The term is so often misused.
@@neonwired4978and yet isn't in this particular instance.
YES! There was a move for "non-platforming" but here in the UK there is now no discussion about anything.
As a sociologist it's quite worrying.
He talked about movie producer Harvey Weinstein that demanded young actresses to sleep with him or not get a fair chance on a career or be in movies.
Yes. As Stephen Fry recounts it here, Harvey used to be the head of Miramax studios, which launched the directing careers of Quentin Tarantino and Kevin Smith, amongst others. Weinstein was seen as the most powerful man in Hollywood because of his track record of producing low budget films that did really well at the box office and / or scooped up at awards ceremonies. (Shakespeare In Love being the prime example; he invented the bombardment of the press association in order to get his films Oscar nominated. Good Will Hunting being another ecample.) He leveraged that power to force himself on wannabe actresses, using quid pro quo tactics where sexual favours were returned with movie parts. In the case of some, he would force himself on the unwilling, behaviour which came back to haunt him as he's been jailed for sexual assault. The #Metoo movement started so actors could tell of their exploitation at his, and other predators', hands.
You do know Fry putts from the rough, right?
The whole debate is well worth watching, but TLDR: common sense versus word salads (esp that reverent guy - I know I dislike all organised religion, but he makes me despise christianity even more!)
Love to see you back, hope you get better soon.
Thank you for this reaction. Stephen Fry is one of my favourite human beings.
You do know he putts from the rough, right?
@@scipioafricanus5871 So?
When he mentioned Harvey at the Cannes film festival, he's referring to Harvey Weinstein who sexually abused many women
So many bits of that went on to my "Big Page of Learnings". What an amazing man!
I just saw a few reaction vids of you from a while back, and it was basically you giggling a lot and saying 'wow' a few times.
Now, I see someone clearly articulating their views, not afraid to tackle more serious and complex topics while showcasing an intelligent take on it.
That's awesome. Keep going.
A great serie with Steven is: Jeeves and Wooster, its about the adventures of a wealthy man and his man servant. Quit funny and humorous😊
Series is great adaptation of the Jeeves books.
"the Jeeves books" authored by P. G. Wodehouse, an early 20th century scribbler.
The great irony of this compilation is that its very existence confirms what Stephen says in the beginning; We only listen to the people we like.
To take Stephen Fry's advice against locking ourselves into echo chambers and turn it into an echo chamber is kind of deviously genius. I know this wasn't the intention of the uploader, but it's basically what you do when you only record the argumentative highlights of one part of a four-way debate.
For that reason alone, you should watch the entire debate. Unfortunately, it turns, as most public debates do, into a bit of an unfocused mess, and Stephen himself is guilty of not letting people finish and making jokes on their behalf, despite what he promised in his self-introduction (to listen). But hey, maybe you'll learn something else from watching the debate. It's been too long since I watched it to tell what I learned.
Awesome actor.... Gut wrenching scene when he gets dragged away in v for vendetta
Political correctness is a statment of absolute. This is right, therfore and contrary opinion is absolutely wrong... (tyranny) like he said. We can't afford to be to certain, we need doubt
❤ from Northeast England ❤️
that's not exactly what it means
@neonwired4978
Political correctness is a statement of what is or is not allowed. A forced and absolute dictate. Things that are just frowned upon are politeness.
At least, that's the only way it comes across to me.
If you have a better way to put it, I'd truly like to know
❤️ from Northeast England ❤️
If you don't know Stephen too well, you won't know that for over 40 years his best friend has been Dr House, Hugh Laurie. Another very close friend is Oscar winner Emma Thompson. They were all at Cambridge together. Here's a short clip of Stephen and Hugh ending their 1980s BBC comedy show 'A Bit of Fry and Laurie' as they did each week - with Stephen making them both a cocktail.
This one didn't quite go to plan. ua-cam.com/video/N8IV-w1AvxM/v-deo.html
That's why they were so fantastic in Blackadder 4 together 👍
I do like Fry but he became an insufferable remoaner. Also Emma Thompson likes to fly around the world lecturing us plebs on climate change. Not so much Nanny Mcphee but more Granny Greta.
Freedom of speech is hearing what you don't want to hear, not what you do.
I have never heard of the MUNK debates. thankyou , your interest sparked me to listen to what you liked about Steven Fry, Thankyou I have been educated.
You do know Fry putts from the rough, right?
The two people on the other side of the panel, the supposed people with empathy and compassion, spent the entirety of this debate name-calling and antagonizing.
I’m so happy I found you in the mess of blurred online media.
Great video and reaction 👏
I just found you on UA-cam a few days ago and I love your reactions Admittedly most are 12 months old so it's nice to get something a little more recent. I have subscribed to your channel, keep up the good work. PS. Stephen Fry is a legend!
Love that you enjoyed this, Stephen Fry is an amazing and complicated person, so happy he is still alive given his past. You need to look up Christopher Hitchens if you haven't already... RIP
Great content, thanks
I've been meaning to watch this, but your reaction video popped up in my feed, so we watched it together, thanks! :)
you should also check out his speech on 'the catholic church is NOT a force for good' ;)
Political correctness, thoughts and prayers -- things people say in order to NOT DO ANY thing but just pretend.
Thanks for sharing your experience and thought watching this !
Mr Fry is one of the smartest and most eloquent people I have had the pleasure of meeting through their publications and speeches. A person who doesn't shy away from saying the right words or cracking a joke and is modest enough not to take himself too seriously.
If folk deliberately call you something derogstry out of malice, then they are surely treating you bsdly.
Speech , and even thought , are just as much actions as physical action.
Without malicious thought there could be no malicious actions.
The one word to sum up Stephen's argument is respect, telling other people what they should think is disrespectful, not listening to other's opinions/thoughts is disrespectful, not caring about the welfare of others is disrespectful. What an increasingly large number of people need to learn is RESPECT.
I can listen to Fry talk for days, without interruption.
One thing that you can do is highlight the transcript of such talks - once you have toggled out the timestamps - then transfer via copy and paste - to a 'new message' on your own e-mail site, send to yourself and then download as a PDF and either store on file or print out as a hard copy. I've done this with several talks which are interesting to refer back to.
good idea; A bit complicated process since every operating system has a "note taking" application. Might be simpler to just paste the text there and save/export to a text file - a file format that can also be easily edited.
@@CirTap Well, my executive functioning, as far as computers go, is relatively unpracticed. I just haven't found that particular way of doing it I'll delve into that at a later date. - Probably when I've run out of things to do it with.
The Russell quote about indecision sounds like an inversion of William Yeats poem The Second Coming specifically:
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Having an idea vs having belief seems the core of what Fry and Yeats are getting at. Ideas are fine but when they turn into ideologies-beliefs from which no deviation can be tolerated the ideas are no better than tyrannies of the mind.
We could use that man in The Netherlands, he would speake up a better way !
He gave a lecture in Amsterdam iirc that's on UA-cam.
I am really happy to see you reacting to Stephen Fry. He is always worth listening to.
He also appeared on other similar debates with people like Christopher Hitchins.
It is funny, how these debates are incredibly popular in the Anglo-American world, especially at respected colleges / universities but much less elsewhere. Also, often about topics like religion, or even evolution (as if this is seriously "controversial"), and if you want to hear another eloquent voice with a deep sense of decency, you should react to similar discussions with Richard Dawkins (topic are often atheism and science vs. religion).
Another British voice which you might enjoy is the one of John Cleese (from the legendary Monty Python group), who always spoke his mind in a very eloquent manner, not shy of talking about topics like religion, politics and the absurdity of life.
There are probably many more who are really worth watching for their way to express themselves alone ...
Another word about the topic political correctness and how absurd it is ... I recently saw a black American reactor (or should I have said PoC? sorry can't resist) who said about Mark Twain's Huckleberry Finn, that it is "a book for children which has a lot of bad language, specifically the N-word". And I was deeply shocked, how this is the only content you could remember from it. It was re-released in 2011 with all N-words replaced by "slave". Which is IMHO ridiculous. I mean, it is about the friendship of a poor white kid with a runaway slave, and they want to escape an inhumane situation with a houseboat to flee to Canada, seemingly not knowing the Mississippi flows south due to lack of education, and in the end Huck flees to become a Native American, because he likes freedom much more than the system that wants to "educate" him, after all he has experienced. Removing a "bad word" in this highly debated case just softens the history. And if this is all you remember from this deeply anti-racist, freedom-loving book, that Hemingway called "the beginning of all new American literature", is devastating.
It is not about if you are offended by a word, it is about the actual content, and if you can only remember the offense you felt by reading a book, and not it's actual message, you have to re-learn reading books in the first place.
Really enjoyed your reaction, Heidi, and hope to see much more content like this on your channel. And yes - eloquent language is powerful. And it makes perfectly sense to listen to people who are masters in this field.
Paul Mooney said something similar, racism is not words, racism is when you can't attend school or vote.
I often end my comments with "I'd love to be proven wrong" but I truly mean that I want to be *proven* wrong instead of having an opposite opinion about the matter.
Stephen Fry is a national treasure, and his wisdom just floors me. Hooray for the man!
You would love him in the debate about if the church is good influence on people. He's amazing.
Stephen Fry is just one of the many National Treasures of England. A great actor, writer, director, technophobe, ranconteur, and pure genius! Check out his series of tours driving around America in a London black taxi cab!
A debate like this is so interesting and so refreshing to watch and listen too. Sadly today people are far more likely to watch big brother or love island than this.
The entire debate is WELL worth a listen - if nothing else to see what he is arguing against. Great reaction to a wonderful person who seems to have his critical faculties on full working order. They should maybe try teaching things like rational thinking one day - it's a distinct improvement on tiktok and gender fluidity lessons :P
I really like the very eloquent and thought provoking art of Stephen Fry here, and every time I can bear witness of his wit.
Political correctness in it's current use like the cancelation of speech and thought, the extreme banning of all that are not strongly enough one one side of the isle of the leading force, is so blatantly reminiscent of the works of Orwell, especially 1984 with INSOC standing in for the political thinkers and tinkers of now, that it is really hard to not draw the parallels. The fear of the right makes the left become more and more what they despise the most by banning what they think is incorrect and shall not be spoken of, cause it corrupts the mind and state of the person. We need to return to a culture of debate and reasoning with one another. Acknowledgement that from different perspectives, social standpoints and beliefs, a matter can have several points of view and that they may have value for discussion and not outright banning and dismissing.
We need to have open forums and platforms that allow for this discussions to happen again. But on television, news, even online, thoughts and beliefs get canceled and filtered out and those without a platform to express and debate decent more and more into subgroups of their own, echoing their same beliefs against each other, where they feel free and understood, worsening the rift in society even more.
If only this was shown in every University, not just for the students. A lot of Lecturers could learn from this
There seems to be a nasty trait that has developed in radical politics of "Absolutism" - (on both the Right & Left). If you're not completely with me, that can only mean your completely against me. It allows for no options of ideological "greyscale" - mostly/partially with you etc. I'm mostly on the Left politically but cringe when I hear some of the more......enthusiastic proponents of radical Leftism (SJW Warriors, 101 Pronoun advocates etc.) I think the equivalent on the Right are the MAGA clowns - the problem being these radical Left/Right people are making all of the noise in the media & drowning out us who agree with Stephen Fry!
But sadly, the right still manages to pull at mostly one string. The left is disasembling said rope and have their thousend group which disagree over the the tinyest thing and won't budge.
One of the few people I wish was immortal. So much wisdom, humour, eloquence and humanity in this stiff upper lip package lost to the tooth of time seems like the greatest of crimes to mankind.
I love this man. I followed him since 1989 I guess, when he had a comedy show together with Hugh Laurie. If his name doesn’t ring a bell, you probably know him as the lead character Dr. Gregory House from the series ‘House M.D.’, or just ‘House’. The comedy show was called ‘A Bit of Fry and Laurie’. It was a show unlike anything else I’ve ever watched and thought it was hilarious, even though it was quite hard to follow for the young Dutch boy that I was. I think it’s worth watching some of their sketches, which were partially improvised, here on UA-cam.
Even though there certainly are many differences between the two, he frequently reminds me of Christopher Hitchens. Both very outspoken and both masters with words. They both formed a team in a long debate about the statement “The Catholic Church is a Force for Good in the World”. You’ll be able to find this two hour debate by searching for that statement. Maybe you may need to add the names ‘Hitchens’ and ‘Fry’, but I don’t think it’s a hard search. In all fairness, I thought their opponents made it a little too easy, because the native language of those two is NOT English. Then again, it’s not the debate by itself that I think is impressive. It’s the opening statements and the rebuttals of Hitchens and Fry that are so powerful that it’s almost impossible to disagree (in my opinion).
I’m not sure if this debate, or even just the powerful opening statements, is something you would like to comment on on your channel, because…. well, Americans and religion…, but I’m pretty sure you would be interested in watching this debate.
Sorry, this is just a recommendation for you from someone who feels really strongly about this, especially because it’s not so much about personal beliefs, but about the position of the Catholic Church and what’s wrong with it according to Hitchens and Fry. And I learned many things that I had no idea about before I saw that video. I understand that this may seem like I want to push you into certain directions. I honestly don’t. But I saw how much you admired Stephen Fry and his mindset, just like I do. And I thought this would interest you because of your own points of view that were in line with the wordings of Stephen Fry.
I loved watching this video. Thanks! 🧡🧡🧡
So glad you are feeling better. ❤
Stephen Fry has for many years been known as a smart man who you should listen to.
I really suggest you to watch QI both with him and the next host Sandi Toxvig (Dane living in England) the show is both fun and informative
Stephen Fry is one of the UK most well respected entertainers. He is very well educated, speaks beautifully and he does speak so honestly and openly.you just have to listen and admire. I respect him greatly . Stephen also has a debate with the Catholic Church, that's an interesting watch.
Stephen Fry represents the best of men. Of humanity even. Humble, insightful, caring.
..he got empathy in his heart...real human power.
He's just as eloquent and passionate in a similar debate about the Catholic church (Available to watch on UA-cam).
Stephen Fry is one of the best bits of British culture. Got famous doing sketch comedy in the 80s and if you ever want to read the Harry Potter books, get the British version of the audiobooks which he is the wonderful narrator of.
Yet Fry never ever asks you or us for anything. That is what MP's get wrong. They want the praise and they want us to thank them. They all fight each other and act like children. Nothing is ever created from Governments. Fry never asks us to praise him, he just wants a better world for all and for Politicians to understand what its like to live under their umbrella.
I'm offended.
Not by anything in particular.
Just in general.
You identify as offended? 😂 😉
You'll fit right in then. 😉
@@HailHeidi Now I'm really offended.
What are your pronouns if you identify as offended? Or is it "considered to be offensive" that I don't already know? 😜
Which end is your 'off'?
Simple, no one of any human trait or belief is free from critiscism or alternate opinion. What is important is that we treat each other with respect.
You should check his debate on"Is the Catholic Church a force for good?"Still gives me goosebumps after watching it several times...
I can highly recommend watching the whole lecture
As a man, an American, a human. I am blessed to have lived in this man's lifetime. Steven is one of humanity's greatest treasures! Peace to you and yours little lady 😊
I first watched this debate years ago because Steven Fry who i think is an interlectual genius was speaking , and it was my first introduction to Jordon Peterson who at the time i had never heard of.
They later had a discussion at J.Petetsons request and it was facinating to watch these two interlect's discuss his Stevens artistic side were J.Peterson really opens up about the demonic way he was treated as a result of his being cancelled..
Well worth a watch..
Good stuff
except Peterson lies and has made a whole career out of playing a victim that he never was.
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And another hater..🤔
Yes, exactly that, what you said towards the end, Debate is a dying art form, because as soon as it gets heated, one party just shuts down "no, i don't like that, you're wrong, I'm not entertaining this anymore" like NO, I WANT AN ARGUMENT, ITS HEALTHY FOR BOTH OF US.
Watch his appearance with Nicole Kidman on The Graham Norton Show, watch him in The Discovery of Heaven (2004 iirc), watch him in QI, Blackadder, A bit of Fry and Laurie, watch him in his many documentaries about nature or humanity, listen to his audiobooks or as he reads the Harry Potter audiobooks to you. This man is a fountain of wisdom and human curiosity and kindness packaged in sharp wit. He's the father I wish I had.
Many folk go to great lengths to appear different from others, and join groups, whether politicial, social, or religious , to oppose other groups .
Or it coukd be based on nationalism, or evennskin colour, and gender.
Having travelled quite widely , my experience is that we have much more in common.
Everyone really wants to be peaceful , helpful and friendly
I admire the Dalai Lama who said " my religion is kindness ".
This debate, in full, was a VERY frustrating watch.
I think every conversation that Dyson is included in is frustrating to watch lol.
I have watched the full debate and Stephen Fry and Jordan Petersen just completely outwitted and and outsmarted the other 2, with reason, intellect and just common sense and decency. As a passionate centrist people need to listen more rather than lecture yell at more. I dont agree with all of Jordans politics, or Stephen's, I have my own mind and make my own decisions, but I very much appreciate and respect their intellect and the fact that the have seriously considered all points of view before coming to their own opinion, and as Stephen said, people need to accept the possibility they are wrong. Political correctness is the mother of all negative unintended consequences.
Stephen is a gem. So unbelievably good at putting words on a complex topic like this.
And I agree with him, sometimes it works better to talk straight than trying to navigate a minefield of taboos and forbidden words.
Things can of course be phrased in more polite and elegant manners, but sometimes it's the provocative language that's necessary to get people to understand.
There's a reason why you just yell 'timber!' when a tree is about to fall, rather than 'this tree is about to fall, I'd highly suggest you look around and get out of the way!'
I also haven't forbidden my kids from cursing or foul language, even when they were very little... never said it was a forbidden word or angry about it. I've just told them that it doesn't sound nice and that they could probably find nicer ways to express the same.
There is a big attraction to "Simple". Seeing the world and it's problems as not complex. Simple is attractive, all is easy to understand and so are the simple solutions. The real world is incredibly complex and solutions debateable, nebulous. Modern politics are about selling "Simple", populism wins and we all lose as a result.
I admire him, a great man of our times.
Thoughts and ideas that we never personally test and have tested are not Truths (personal or otherwise), they are Dogmas!
something every day in the Netherlands to make something clear without any rules, but seen as rude or insulting by other countries.
The problem I have when discussing politics, ethics, or any other deep subject, is that oftentimes I cannot even agree on the facts. At that moment, the discussion stops. I can discuss values, ethics, and politics, but I cannot discuss facts. If for example people say to me that COVID was just a flu and vaccination is not helpful or even a conspiracy of the World Economic Forum, I just can't go on.
A national treasure, great intellect, with an English vocabulary estimated at around 100,000 words. Apart from that he is a really nice guy.