Voluntary Extinction
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- Опубліковано 21 лис 2024
- Fanart of the Month: www.deviantart...
Twitter: / solar_sas
Second Channel: / @solarsands2
Music in order of Appearance
Pilotredsun - Deathly
Final Fantasy VII - Costa Del Sol
Boards of Canada - Trasnmisiones Ferox
Half Life 2 OST - Lab Practicum
Oneohtrix Point Never - The Trouble With Being Born
Gavriel - Red Twighlight - In Between Years
Gavriel - Red Twighlight - Hyn
C418 - Perhaps I will never meet you in person
Boards of Canada - Audiotrack 12
Boards of Canada - Up The March Bank
Tobacco - Refbatch
David Benatar - Better to Have Never Been
is what most of this video was based on as much of the video is presenting his arguments and building upon them.
Other sources used:
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positivepsycho...
faculty.washing...
www.bbc.com/ne...
People here wondering how we went from deviant art to this when it absolutely makes perfect sense to me. Have you even been to deviant art.
Yes and i aint going back there.
Is the implication here that browsing Deviantart makes you want humanity to die out?
I've been there and still go back from time to time, I tend to just wish we'd be hit by a meteor shower that can wipe us out.
@@Irisverse Yes
All of this just now does makes sense in this century. We are slowly dying out now . I wish something will kill me when everyone dear to me is gone.
I enjoy the fact that Spongebob has become the embodiment of optimism.
commanda dater
and squid is nihilism
Vandilism
and he has NO KIDS
@@mynamejeff2006 OK just asking but how old is spongebob? He acts like a kid but he has a job and a house like an adult.
I like how solar sands went from reviewing terrible art from deviantart to talks about existentialism
the natural progression
I mean........
it s much better
Yes
Deviantart does that to a person.
This is an incredible video essay. You provide an amazing, unbiased outlook, something which is rare for videos on this topic. New sub!
This is where you end up by just looking at art on deviant art.
Lol
*voring*
Dont do Deviantart kids!
lmao
deviantart is dangerous
When did Solar Sands go from looking at minion porn to talking about how to end all human suffering?
Cause and effect
To be fair, seeing that does drive at least some existentialism in a person
I think you answered your own question
I think the dip happened some time after his first Liminal Spaces video.
Idk but i like his new videos
Y’all remember when Solar Sands did stuff like, “terrible Cuphead OCs”
Ikr? I just remember watching him a couple of years ago talking about bad art and furries and here I am now questioning everything about life after watching his videos
@@natlynxjrgensen3452 i think is legit :V
Yeah lmao!
i want him to make more browsing deviantart :((
I prefer this turn, it feels less cruel and overbearing to discuss these things
SolSands: "people tend to remember good more than the bad..."
Me: i think you got it backwards buddy
SolSands: "people who are mentally healthy"
Me: Ah. I see.
😂😂
This is a real "oh..." moment.
Yup. The lucky, oblivious people who haven't endured the bad things -- such as neglect and solitude, abuse and violence, barbarism and torture, and blatant hatred -- are the people who remember the good things more than the bad things.
These lucky, oblivious people are the ones who are the quickest to (a)denigrate the character of, (b)diminish the experiences of, and (c)justify the bad things that happen to, the unlucky people who had to endure the bad things.
As an anti-natalist Christian, I don't want to wish bad things upon anyone. But I pray that the lucky, oblivious people come to experience the bad things -- that they find themselves immersed in the depths of suffering -- to the extent that takes to force their hearts and minds into compassion and empathy.
@@matthewingerson What a bingo
"The lucky, oblivious" - "(a)denigrate the character of"
"who haven't endured the bad things" - "(b)diminish the experiences of"
"I pray that the lucky, oblivious people come to experience the bad things" - "(c)justify the bad things that happen to"
I think the reference may have been made for our grandparent's era. Today, if one does not remember the negative, we would be destined for a very short life. There will also be little left to remember. The putrefication of humanity has made it essential the remaining good people must remember the negative to simply survive.
Honestly, it's fair that he'd start discussing death after all of that DeviantArt stuff he went through.
Deviantart does some wacky shit to a man
Lmao 💀
@@lemonpie_vanilla I've been seeing that guy in your profile picture everywhere where is he from? Is he from a manga or anime? Or is he just a character the internet made up
@@heroicdesire7971 you are amazing. I hope tonight when you go to bed both sides of your pillows are cold.
God!! 😂 I made a similar comment!! 🤣😂😂 Deviant Art's aside effects.
"The luxuries of a modern life." Shows some weird hotdogs.
I suppose hot dogs don't exist in war torn countries
@@noobnoob8922 I mean probably not that many
@@brad6220 but at least a few, like 12, would probably exist in war torn countries.
I live in a third world and I haven't had a hot dog since the 90's.
@@Diwasho There's more than one world?
_Voluntary Extinction_ could be the title for a kick-ass Death Metal song
good name for a band
I'm not suicidal, it's just _voluntary extinction_ 😎
@@monbub the average virgin suicidal fan vs the average _voluntary extinction_ enjoyer
there's a few metal songs called "voluntary extinction" and "voluntary human extinction" if you search it. some of the bands names are Ringworm, C.H.E.W., and Removalist. the songs are pretty kickin I just listened to them
Self Immolate by King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard. Thrashy goodness.
The whole album is fantastic.
So glad I found this channel. I love the way that you talk about these types of topics in a very logical way, but also makes it pretty easy to follow and makes me think.
You've been getting pretty philosophical lately and I keep enjoying it, keep it up
I started seeing him when he has a devianart Chanel, things change
@@El-s Yeah those are my favorites
Eat your cereal
Yeah it’s really entertaining
@@ezraboren2069 I always do
This channel is the definition of character development
yea same he when from Bad cringey art reviews to this
Its like a sauting sumn yknow what i mean
I subscribed to him when he reviewed Deviantart fetish cringe
@@mur1525 same, that was quite a time
same with lemmino, went from making top 10 rage comics videos to full-blown documentaries
"Death solves all problems; no man, no problem"
- Ryan from Ryan's Toy Review
I really struggle to see how so many have this implicit idea that they're somehow going to be present to enjoy this problem-free state of non-being. There's a big difference between having something that's perfect and not having anything at all.
@@davidschaftenaar6530 I think the idea is that existence is suffering. if you don't exist, you don't suffer.
Why are we ignoring the “Ryan from Ryan’s Toy Review”
Ryan from Ryan's toy review from supermega?
Wasn't it Stalin who said this?
Forgot how old this video is, but it's still so well done! I adore the unapologetic commitment to reasoning out the whole issue in plain terms. "We're talking about this, actually discussing it and those who are scoffing already are about to get really uncomfortable by the amount of sound logic I'll be using."
The logic, at least as presented in the video, isn't really that sound.
Anti-natalism tries to pick apart the level of philosophical foundation that it itself wants to rely upon. For example: inflicting suffering is bad - why? Violating consent is bad - why? Defying one's survival instinct is bad - why? Giving birth is a morally wrong - why? Maybe David Benatar digs into that in his book more thoroughly, but this video left me unimpressed.
I was impressed.
this video has stuck with me precisely because of how strange the logic is. if you can expect a life to be 60% pleasure, 40% pain, it is a net good. but this antinatalism puts the world entirely into the perspective of how much harm procreating is doing. the absence of pleasure may be neutral, and the absence of pain may be positive, but nonetheless a lot of pleasure and a little pain is better than neutral. This is, naturally, disregarded. It's a theoretically utilitarian philosophy
Antinatalism, then, only *actually* makes logical sense if one assumes any new life is going to be more negative than positive, and that the potential near-eternal future of humanity will yield, on average, lives that are more negative than positive. And that *is* just pessimism. Solar sands suggests that a future where all the positive experiences of humanity outweigh past negative ones to be incredibly optimistic, but it just has to be better on average. A lot of lives are there already.
Unless, of course, you go with all the minor pains and discomforts leading every life to be way worse than we think. I also disagree with this. I think pleasure and pain are utterly subjective experiences, and to disregard subjectivity, to add up every tiny pain and say "see that's a lot!" is foolish. They do not add up to more than any pleasure could provide; since these things are subjective, by comparison to a minor soreness for a few minutes the joy of a beautiful painting is not just a few times larger, it is magnitudes larger.
Also, he seems to imply anti-natalism dodges the problem of tons of bad lives being better than a good few positive ones because of total good, but it doesn't dodge it at all! It just does the same thing but for pain! A literal utopia where everyones needs and wants are met for billions is a worse situation, in the view of this philosophy, than one depressed guy. Because one depressed guy is way less suffering than all the mild discomforts of billions!
Solar sands frames this as like a philosophical truth, a sneaky but rational idea hidden behind practical impossibility. It just... isn't rational. It's pessimistic.
@@roadent217 My channel contains a bit more elaboration
@tegxi "I think pain and pleasure are _utterly_ subjective experiences" hence (probably) the crumbly crux of your conclusion. Some of my videos hit on this, such as my "TJ Kirk, Inmendham, Nihilism," my "Hiatus Update II," and most recent "Why Antinatalism (2024)" videos but also some others, and I'll be doing more content on the matter moving forward because it's false but nonetheless a point of confusion time and time again over the years I've listened to, read and argued with (what I perhaps pejoratively, but I would argue, aptly, refer to as) "denialist nihilists" - or 'subjectivists,' 'existentialists,' absurdists,' whatever someone would self-describe as (or not) - the (il)logic of that statement functionally entails value nihilism.
If you like, I can provide a dedicated video response to this comment of yours but again, I have addressed its basic claim a number of times, as can be verified via videos I've uploaded (obviously not going to expect you to scour comments sections of videos on other channels, wherein the vast bulk of my historical argumentation actually resides re: nihilism, subjectivity vs objectivity concerning qualia, and so on)
Sentio-centric AN, properly described, is just brutally realistic (despite many ANs as overtly or _overly_ pessimistic), and certainly rational. My channel covers more elaboration on that and a more complete model...an on-going effort though because the psychological friction to anything in the ballpark or even 'solar' system of these type ideas, is unsurprisingly, tremendous
There’d be one guy who just couldn’t stop pounding it out.
This is one of those top tier jokes that nobody can top and so everyone just likes it silently instead.
This was addressed in the video.
Sex is not considered evil in this ideology. Not using contraceptives is.
@@EspeonMistress00 Oh I know, just a yolk.
That guy is on a mission.
“The story so far:
In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.”
-Douglas Adams
This comment has been approved by the people of Afganistan!
Best opening lines of a book in history. Douglas Adams was one of the best writers of all time.
@@Multitudes-e5n Man's a legend in tens of different languages
Oh no, not again! :)
Absolutely love THGTTU
The concept of anti-natalism is fascinating to me, but the majority of people online seem to only be interested in shitting on other people's joy with children if anything. You were right about the subreddit
edit: after letting this comment simmer for a year and replies still come in all the time I have concluded that both sides of the coin in this discussion are equally as pretentious
i think having children is inherently selfish...would i do it? probably but that makes me selfish too and that's ok
so i think u can understand why people kinda shit on people not realizing that what they're doing is at the end of the day selfish
@@amrsherif3409 Having children is inherently unselfish, you are sacraficing time, food, and money, for something that you get nothing material back.
@@thegrandnil764 you have a child for your own pleasure its not like you have a child for his own sake no its for yours and you get at least 10 years of unconditional love and they take care of you when you get old and for all these pros you birth a slave for capitalism who'll work all his life and statistically he will get depressed in one phase of his life if not more oh and dont let me talk about what happens if your poor he'll live a miserable miserable life
the middle ground is you can say its morally grey you cant say its unselfish
you know whats the definition of unselfishness? Adoption.
@@amrsherif3409 They'll be depressed if they have you as their parental figure that's for sure, go outside, talk with people.
@@ColoringAHouse that's common sense tho im not at a place in my life where i should have a child something most people dont take into consideration
Speaking about eternal damnation and suffering
Shows image of mild back-pain
ah yes, the π of the pain scale
low but never-ending
Is he wrong tho? NO. HE IS NOT
I speak as someone with back-pain
It is
Eternal damnation and suffering.
This is odd for my as a masochist, there are certain things like stress which are never enjoyable, but certain types of pain can be calming, i feel a lot of joy we gain comes from over coming struggles we face in life.
You’re clearly under 35.
@@ClayDress ... my back pain started when I was 16 so maybe
Dont go by age? Backs just fucking suck.
Alright Zeke Jaeger, didn’t think you’d use UA-cam to promote your Eldian extinction plan but pop off I guess
Lol. He probably paid this guy to make the video.
I'm caught up, but there could be others that aren't. Warn for spoilers.
I've been looking for this comment
I literally said this out loud and sought this comment out thank you lmaoooo
didn't think you would be here
2019: haha funny art
2021: should everyone die?
This is more or less my entire life right here sine 2019
Quite the evolution.
Edgy year
OPs comment could also be referring to life before/after the COVID-19 pandemic lol
@@LazyLoonz Not to sound edgy but;
Dinosaurs have been on earth for about 165 million years and humans have been here for only 300,000. It is more likely for us to be extinct before anything interesting happens. But Of course if we lasted longer than dinosaurs if we somehow managed to trust and be loyal to eachother for more than 165 *million* years we might actually have a chance to start a better and stronger species without us ever having to be brutally burnt out of existence :)
I’ve always thought about this idea but couldn’t talk about because, you know people would be concerned while i’m just thinking about it on a purely philosophical level, so I’m really glad you make this video! Got a lot of weight off my shoulders haha
Look up James Scotmore
Just judging by the intro you think about this a lot.....
._____.
Why are u everywhere?
Don’t
Zeke Yeager
Yeah I have been thinking about it for a while
"Our lives may be considerably more bad than we believe"
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Download youtube vanced on your phone and an adblock on your computer ;)
bullshit, it's all in your head, if you want it to be bad, it will be bad
@@ars85202 If only it existed on iOS
@@dexei3150 F
I WAS LITERALLY READING YOUR COMMENT AND THE AD CAME UP 😂
Solar Sands 2017: "haha look at this wild inflation fetish art"
Solar Sands 2021: "what if we just like, let humanity die out"
I mean... after seeing that stuff who wouldn't want humanity to die out
@@hibiscus_utube The weird people who look at that stuff.
the duality of mankind
i see a direct cause and effect lol
It's not what I signed up for and has become worse than the hilarious fetish art ever was.
The artistic choice to use parts of the Half Life 2 soundtrack in this was great, Solar. (For those who haven’t played, you should, and one of the main underlying themes of the plot is the forced sterility of the human race by an invading alien race)
Reminder, 100 sterilization credits grants non mechanical reproduction simulation.
@@thecoolcario9048 Very strong conclusion.
"If it was up to me, I would have chosen to be never been born, but, I do not wish to die, because I was born into this world!" - Willy Tybur
Ah yes a man of Quality
But I wouldn’t mind being born again if it meant I could play catch with you once more
If I over think it too much I end up feeling the same way. Just don't over think it and you will be fine.
@@Tethloach1 that could work with people who arent depressed i guess but when you wake up and the first thing you feel is dread then no it wont work
@@peap1610 I did go through deep dark depression, I made some recovery. depression is complex and anything might help a bit, but it comes down to if the person has any internal strength left. I still had some strength left to survive the so called dread, my will power was great, because I still held on to some hope.
The overthinking wasn't helping at all in fact it was making things worse or harder because, life is absurd and trying to reconcile that was hopeless drowning in depression, and anxiety. If the person can be helped and they have any strength left than anything may help.
i knew i would find some Zeke mentions in the comments lol
Same here bro
www.roblox.com/games/6646658252/McDonalds-Obby-200-Super-Fun
My man, when are you gonna start posting again?
@@gregmill5064 bro what
@@gregmill5064this isn't 2016 lol
Its funny cause even in the bible.
The scriptures do encourage people to adopt and that its a blessing if you do take care of others. This topic really is interesting!
Dude I remember thinking of some edge-case scenarios as a kid, and they tend to turn out to be legit philosophy topics. Like this one or Solipsism. It's trippy to see these ideas being seriously discussed lol
@@user-rf4vc7mt4d you are human bro, we think a lot.
@@Bored-su5op i litterally cannot read your comment in mobile
same book that encourages to dash your infants to the rocks
@@impmadness That was a poem coming from a place of grief and rage against conquerers (the Babylonians) that subjugated the poet's people and, yes, murdered their babies. One thing that's important to understand about the Bible is that it captures the whole range of the human experience and emotion. That verse is the poet essentially wishing justice upon the oppressors of his people in the rawest possible terms ("may they suffer the same atrocities they inflicted on us"). Psalm 137 is a heartwrenching piece from an enslaved people who witnessed their home razed to the ground and people massacred. The Book of Psalms is filled with similar pieces, some even seeming blasphemous, because as a whole it captures all human emotion with unflinching honesty. The Bible doesn't patronize; there's not tidy little footnotes saying "he's just really sad - don't go kill children". You have to interpret it in light of history, culture, literary form (in this case, a poem), author, and setting.
I once joined a child free group. All they did was shame children and "breeders" who were lost and if you came out in their defense they called you a closet breeder or spy. 🙄 The group as a whole is toxic but the individuals I've met personally who are child free or anti natialist are awesome and respect all life. 😊
i'll probably never get children myself but that just sounds like a group of extremely sad people
There's a difference between antinatalists and child free. I dream of adopting once I have my resources and I view most of AN ideas as logic. Children are awesome!
Yeah seeing the clips here of cringe r/antinatalism post is disappointing although from personal experience shouldn’t be surprising anymore
This kind of philosophy has finer levels of critical nuances that’s been elaborated on this video, that your an person is less likely to think about. Unfortunately while the notion itself bears great moral & ethical questions into the forefront, it’s also quite counter cultural & perhaps biologically “unnatural”. Hence there are less spaces for greater discussion & exploration of these questions & notions, and the few that does exist becomes this circle of commiseration & gripe, perhaps because of how few these circles exist in comparison to the majority (hence how predominant the majority is)
I see something similar with atheist/agnostic groups going beyond more valid/sound intellectual & ethical criticism and going lower into spite & intolerance, as it may be an act of externalizing their personal gripe/misfortunes into situations of pseudo projection. This was especially the case back when those ideas & secularism was less popular, or in my personal case, where it still actually is quite controversial there were a lot of instances of violence & harm caused by having these subversive beliefs. Though somewhat fortunately, with time, the people I knew in this circle starts to learn & grow out of that reactive & spiteful kind of thinking
People, once they made up their mind, unfortunately often thinks that their conclusion is the correct one without room for tolerating differences, especially when that difference is a lot more shades apart than what they believe & when those other beliefs have mounting social support and hence pressure against their own belief
I think these factors (limited counterculture space, relatively recent school of thought, & stark contrast with majority) contributes to the “extremization” of these spaces. But it might also be that the people drawn into this line of thinking & social spaces have a lot of mental & personal baggage that contributed to the appeal of this line of thinking, and inadvertently mixes up the two (their personal misgivings vs the ethical & moral argument). Which on the one hand is understandable because I went through a similar process, but it might also be a greater sign that these people (myself included) and society in general are suffering from a significant mental health & wellbeing issue regardless of whether or not we believe in anti-natalism
Look up James Scotmore
groups are cringe
No force in creation can kill me. Not until Solar Sands makes a Tumblr Video.
I've come to love the site after Tumblr readings popped up in my recommendations.
Exactly.
Meh more like Twitter. Tumblr has gotten a bit more chill now since the great raid. Almost all the oppression screamers, man haters, and weirdos moved to Twitter
I think tumblr is the best social media platform
@@t.n.21 same, mosty because no one is really popular since you can't see their account following and it's just a horrible site to argue with someone online. I swear I realized someone @ed me 4 months later
i love how solar sands always considers bothh sides of stories in videos like this without being rude and doing it with respect
Yeah, same, I wish more people could try to do this
Yeah although I think he should make a second part focusing on the other side as well
with respect, yes, but looking at both sides? nah, he didnt
@@richardhobbs7360 yeah he didn't consider the other side as . much
@@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043 yeah, it was definitely a push for the side he agrees with more OR had spent so long learning about antinatalism forgot to do as much on anti-antinatalism
After the end of the world, you are the only one left.
You are on a beach, looking out to the sky, you can feel the heat of the sun and the beach floor beneath you.
I guess you're experiencing some *existential solar sands*
god damn it, why'd I laugh
Why
*m o n o k u m a*
After the end of the world, you are one of only two people left.
You are on a beach, looking out to space, you can feel the heat of the LCL sea and the sand beneath you.
I guess you're experiencing some Human Instrumentality.
After watching 10 seconds of the vid, you scroll down into the comments, just to see this
I guess you could say, these jokes probably disappoint our families
Quantify misery and potentiel misery is a pretty tone death way to justify non existance
Deaf*
Not gonna lie, when I woke up today this was definitely not the discussion I thought I'd be listening to.
Yeah, but although I agree with the fundamental idea that not just humans but ALL sentient beings is better of not being born in the FIRST PLACE. Do not exist in the first place = Literally no problems at all, but big bang happened and we now have all this shits to deal with.
@@boysteacher3818 Only the Last Man would accept such an idea. The Übermensch is not so weak, and neither are the men and women of the past. I’m not anywhere near as strong as they are, but I strive to be like them. Pessimistic nihilism is one of the main drivers of the current violence in society. Negative utilitarianism taken to such an extreme is good for no one.
@@boysteacher3818 genuine question: why is it easy to say that it was the big bang, and not God?
@@DiamondsRexpensive Because it is less far out. Of course, that doesn't rule out god's existence. But it is more plausible to believe that we were created out of chemicals from space.
From yelling at people on deviant art to giving me philosophical questions, you've really evolved.
Solar Sands 2016: "Haha let's browse DeviantArt and see what weird stuff we find"
Solar Sands 2021:
Its now "I'm 14 and this is deep"
@@trolledfrog678 was, you mean
Coincidence? I think not!
If you have children sure they may suffer, but they may also be happy. You’re saving them from pain while also denying them aright to happiness and the human experience which I think almost always outweighs any daily suffering or pain
7:12 "how good do you think your life is"
I am supreme existence i just ate half a baguette of garlic bread all pain previously gained and all pain to come will never match the ecstasy and joy i felt in this moment.
"how good do you think your life is"
well generally its bearable but at the moment not too good. I had a nightmare about the human centipede so I didn't get much sleep. I also dropped my yogurt (strawberry and banana) this morning.
LMAO
Seize the means of garlic bread production, we can end all pain
Life may be full of suffering but we do have garlic bread, so it all evens out in the end
Just a reminder that this was made by someone who has also made a video that has “sexy gru” in the title.
"our lives may be considerably more bad than we believe"
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@Fungo Slungo things can be wrong with your life without you knowing it.
@Fungo Slungo you could have liver cancer and not know it yet
@Fungo Slungo you don't have to be upset by something for it to make your life worse
@Fungo Slungo because you're slowly dying? There's more quality of life than perception
@Fungo Slungo my exact thinking my dude, everything is relative as long as an AI thinks it’s alive it is. As long as a human thinks it’s happy it is. I mean our brain is the measurement regardless of environment.
I have always imagined that in hundreds of years from now people in the future will wonder how bad it must have sucked to waste a third of your life laying in bed unconscious.
Or maybe in the future they'll wonder how did we manage to possibly bare the suffering of being awake during 2/3rds of our life, and they'll make something something like a Matrix where people can choose to go to sleep into and live a happy dream life forever until death.
How about spending nearly a third of your waking life working? Doing something you have no interest or stakes in, for people you don't care about you, just to buy things that you either need to survive or are fooled by those same people that don't care about you into wanting?
@@AveryTarehopefully capitalism ends in the future… and in my lifetime 😓
sleeping is essential biology and i find myself irritated by people who factor it out as meaningless time wasted. your brain is a vastly complicated computer and bioregulator with very gentle self repairing procedures. Also. Sleeping rocks and dreams are an essential part of learning. I mean, maybe people in the future invent a way to forego sleep, and good for them, but you or I are in no position to spit on such an essential and beautiful mechanism which keeps the program running
@@safir2241 The importance of sleep is not lost on me, however if I wish that I was able to obtain all the benefits of sleep in just 2hrs rather than 8hrs. Regardless of what future technology could provide, I believe being awake 24/7 wouldn’t be desirable as all the days blend together in a weird loop. Sleep probably will always be part of the human experience; however, life is painfully short and there’s so much out there to explore and achieve. Regardless of the unique and whimsical nature of dreams, I’d rather spend that time with my actual kids & wife.
Later in the future: A.I. suing creator for bringing it existencial pain for being tasked for coming up with stupid Light Novel names.
The A.I. is right though-
I watched that video.
I wouldn't be surprised if something like this actually happened.
trash bot-
@Ggnkrsfkoqxbk Isn't that second one a real series?
Honestly I love the way he discusses things in an way that approaches all sides of an argument or idea. It's a really good way of putting things into their full perspective and making you think!!
Glad my parents had me, so i can watch solar sands
Make this the pinned comment pls
one thing that's interesting to think about: if you were not born, you would literally never exist, ever. you are the result of your parents, and they created an entirely new being who thinks for themselves and views the world from their own perspective, incapable of imagining what's going on inside anyone else's world. even if time went on forever, you would never be born again. it is impossible to create the same human twice, even identical twins have differences, and are very certainly different people. the chance of your parents having found each other and having you are infinitely impossible, but also infinitely certain, at least from your point of view. because if they hadn't found each other then your point of view would never exist. you probably base all of what you experience on your own timescale, your own past experiences, but those experiences would never exist if you did not. every single thing you think is entirely in your head, and would never have been thought of if it weren't for you, at least in the way you thought of it. you are, at the most personal and most basic level, infinitely unique and infinitely rare, not based on physical appearance or attributes, but on your conscience, which nobody else has. understands or ever will have.
That sounds like a advertisement catch phrase.
@@BigCroca I have never thought about that before. Your comment is really fascinating to me. You have a really good point as well !
@@beamshark another way to think about it is how no matter what, you only know about someone what they choose to show, just like everyone only knows about you what you choose to show, and no matter what it stays that way because people are so individual, and so in control of themselves. think of how complex you are, all the things you know and think about and feel, and how 7,000,000,000 people are just like that, but also entirely different all around the world, and that you and nobody you know will ever even know most of them exist.
The trouble with attempting to discredit our perception of our own quality of life is that the only thing that truly matters is our perception. What does it matter how much suffering goes unperceived? what’s the between unperceived suffering and suffering that was never experienced?
Edit: I apologize for commenting before finishing the video lol. I now see that he briefly mentioned this argument later on
solar sands is one of those guys who does a total shift in their content and just absolutely FLEX in their content creation skills. good work solar, loved you before, love your stuff now.
Reminds me of LEMMiNO, who went from top 10 content to documentaries in a few years. I love it when creators do that.
Didn't Vsauce also start out with low brow content? I vaguely remember an inane video about boobs.
Look up James Scotmore
EMPlemon as well, from youtube poops to interesting documentaries about topics youd have never imagined
Look up Martin Butler
This guy went from browsing DevientArt to rant horrible fetishes to questioning if life and continuing it is a positive
Glory to Arstotzka
@@pufflepoint it is once you see the vids in between, he really made some art when he made videos like "can you spot one object in this photo" those vids are incredible and i think after watching them it gives you more off a reason to live given how interesting everything is in this life
Character development
is there a point to this, everyone seems to make this useless observation and comment it on the video
@@awuuwa Probably something to do with DeviantArt. It does have some questionable stuff.
how interesting, this guy should make a video about Michelangelos unfinished sculptures.
Ah yes, I could see such a video being extremely interesting and entertaining.
do you know what happened to his hazbin hotel video?
Are you a seer
AND HE DID HAHAHA!
@@SM-qv2om he deleted it
I have another counterargument - suffering itself does not have to be bad. It can be part of a road to something better (for example - using Oracle programs is a part of the road to money). Or it can be a motivation to improve something and later lead to not only pleasure, but also satisfaction from achieving something.
While you may believe that, whose to say your theoretical child would say the same. A lot of parents have that mindset and bring people into this world thinking they will feel the same satisfaction they do. To me every birth is bringing another player into the rat race and if that rat doesn't want to participate it is deprived of everything. Kids end up getting punished, abused, kicked out of their homes, and for what? Even kids with "good" lives aren't immune to this. I have a "good" life with a nice house and good parents and a nice school. Why is it suddenly my fault that I'm not happy?
This is a romantic veiw of it, look into the real depths of human suffering, and tell me those people, and children who died, "grew" from the experience, they cannot grow because they are dead, in one particular case that actually happened, a child eaten alive by dogs, that were sent on him by an angry landowner in tzarist Russia, that aside, think about war, the holocaust, the holodomor, a majority of the world's population that don't have the luxury to live in the usa or Europe, etc
I recommend reading the brothers karamazov, or atleast reading the chapter: rebellion.
@@-..._._-. All of the people who experienced all the horrors of the world, le gasp, decided it was worth sharing with their child. Could it be, that they have a complex view of the world that extends beyond mere pleasures of the flesh, however will I cope with these rampant selfishness?
I actually started clapping at the line "wishing to die and wishing to have never been born are two very different things" because it's a thought I've had for so long that I could never fully grasp or put into words at the height of my depression... I didn't want to die, I still don't (I'm much better now), I simply wished it didn't have to be a question of life or death at all... I didn't want that responsibility. The world was all too big for me, and I felt like I could never process fast enough... At one point I begged my mom to put me in some kind of mental hospital where I could "get away from the world and fix myself first" because I seriously felt the world was spinning too fast, and I wanted anything but to get off it and be ignorant.
I don’t know what else to say other than thanks. This right hear are the words I need. It’s strange the way numbness is nicer than pleasure or pain, to sit in it is something I have always chased. People always act as if not constantly pursuing dopamine is strange. They talk about drug addicts “chasing the dragon” yet whenever some doesn’t it’s seen as something to fix. Don’t get me wrong I like to be happy, but I never seem to be able to fondly remember feeling of joy like I can remember feeling of absolute nothing (the feeling of being light)
Ok, sorry for all that. Have a nice day.
@@bstuart8186 No need to apologize! I enjoyed hearing your thoughts on this; it's a topic that can mean so many different things to the individual which I find interesting.
I'm glad you're feeling better😊
Did you find that 'mental hospital'?
oh my god thank you so much for saying this i’ve been struggling for this feeling since forever and it’s so hard for me to say i’m depressed because i don’t have a will to die i just wish i didn’t have to be a person and do things this was just really validating to hear bc you seriously just wrote out my thoughts
Is only humans that think of this. Other animals just breed instinctively. It is the complexity of our own minds which is our downfall and yet the reason we can think to begin with
I think it's more the ego. Our minds are complex and designed to comfort us, we're designed to get set in our ways and find some pride in our beliefs.
Humans can pick a topic as simple as existing and try to find some way to make sense of both living and dying, crafting arguments and beliefs for or against the natural lifespan just to feel some sense of satisfaction or clarity.
Other animal are capability of conscious thinking so I’m not sure if just that Is enough to make humanity unique. We don’t even truly know what makes humans...human.
@@codenamesleepy5367 What even is human, like for real! who decided to call us that, who decided to give us those words D:?
Animals don't have a real concept of death, let alone nonexistence. They don't know that sex leads to procreation either. Saying that anti-natalism is unnatural ignores that animals have no ability to consider, let alone enact, anti-natalist philosophy.
It's only a certain race that thinks like this. And they will be replaced.
t. Zeke Yeager
And Eren Yeager
@@HoovyMain lol catch up w the manga
Here take this
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i was waiting for this comment
glad im not the only one that thought of him
Prof. Benatar *has* once stated that he does not have children.
I'm grateful I had parents that thought about the consequences of having kids.
They had no idea what was going to happen 15 years later but at least they tried.
I feel this, and lucky for you... my mom told me I shoulda have kids and marry because I would end up lonely.
@@vortexsupernovapersonal7801 lmao jfc. has she at least come around?
We must then try to live the best lives we can so that they're right (and I do think that we can live with a net good in the end).
“How will I react if my child finds life to painful and wants to end” defending something my parents should have considered. But they didn’t and now they have me with chronic suicidal depression and thinks I’d suicide a most of the day and has attempted a few times.
And there’s really nothing I can do I try to be happy but nothing really dose so when I get a bit of happiness I keep chasing it but am usually stopped money, lack of friends, self confidence sometimes and anxiety and get really depressed and want to kill my self. Then when I try just to be content with what I have I feel unfulfilled and want to die after a wile. And if I just stew an misery I’ll go for a little longer but eventually want to kill myself
"Questioning everything is an essential part of critical thinking" Certainly your best line of the video. I was always that kid that drove the "do as I say" adults nuts. Haha. Some things never change. Here I am watching a video about antinatalism on UA-cam and enjoying the discussion. =P
Exactly!!
Because solar is a good person that actually explores many things, ideas, myths and other things and doesn’t show any bias over one of those things that he explores.
He just explains it all to us and we all have civil discussions about them.
Civil discussions are terribly lacking in today’s society, you can’t talk about anything without being targeted and called horrible names, just for bringing up the subject and talking about it.
As for antinatalism, I could just imagine how incredibly depressing, historic and unimaginable it would be to see all the remaining human beings slowly die off around you, and then finally be the final human being left alive on the planet, after you watched the last human that you knew die, the thought of now being all alone in a barren wasteland that was once a major city in a former first world country.
Would that person just kill themselves right there on the spot to save themselves the torture, or would they actually enjoy the time that they have left until it is their time to join the human race in the afterlife.
So many thoughts go through my mind on how that would actually play out, and it’s a very scary thing to think about, because once we are gone, are we really gone??
Do we come back somewhere else, as someone else, somewhere in time’s flow??
Do we become a different being entirely??
Or most horrifyingly that’s it??
Endless nothingness of darkness with no light or sound anywhere forever??
The meaning of life and afterlife surely is a fascinating thing.
Yes, probably the best takeaway from the video is the invitation to critical thinking.
I personally can't find myself in agreement with antinatalism but it does shine a light on a lot of problems both phylosophical and practical which I always thought needed to be addressed.
Solar did a great job presenting a controversial point of view without moking it or gloryfying it.
Same, authority figures hate me because I was never satisfied with "that's just the rules" as a reason to do things.
I personally think that the entire argument of antinatilism undervalues the social aspect of relationships, but that is just an opinion.
But questioning things is good
i'm also that kid :3 and im proud of it to be honest. questioning is ALWAYS the right thing to do, never just do what people tell you without thinking about it
"Why are we still here? Just to suffer?"
No according to logic there's no real reason to our existence
@account abandoned those fucking eukaryotes
the first one couldn't just have died
nooo
it had to make a copy of itself, hadn't it?
now I have to pay to keep the government from cutting my water
@account abandoned no there isnt a reason because the universe or anything in existance has no value because value is something humans created.
yet there isnt a reason why we have shouldnt live even if things dont have value
we dont have to live cause theres no reason to that but there isnt a reason to not live so i personally choose to live
@meow purr i guess but that should make us sad though
@meow purr Well, those cases exist, but they are not all, some people genuinely want to take care of others, the thing is that if such parents controlled the kids to never suffer any harm, wouldn't it be a harm to the freedom of their kid?
I'm so much positive about life and optimistic about myself but that doesn't mean that I should voluntarily bring someone in existence to suffer or experience this life , even though I feel happy being here I don't want to bring someone.... I'm an optimist and still love the antinatalist philosophy.
You never know if they will suffer but then again you never know if they won't suffer.There are good and bad things of this world and many people look at the bad things instead of the good things and I understand that.
I LOVE both of your comments SO MUCH !! Thanks you guys, just what I (and other I think) needed!🙏💓💞❤️🔥🖤
Yeah man I am 23M from India, I Love my life, But it took me a lot of suffering to reach this stage and who knows whats future holds for me.
People say you can raise your kid to be best and all, but they don't understand children are not lab rats, you can never control them, you never know from whom they take inspiration and every life responds differently to a given situation there are infinite permutations and combinations. They's no guarantee they'll appreciate/think of life like I do. My life is not easy walk, i am born in a undeveloped country, that too in a small village, I am already facing male pattern baldness at 23, i have no job or gf as of yet but still I appreciate every atom and star and am hopeful for a great future.
One positive for me is i have great parents but I can't imagine the day when they will be gone before me, this suffering is the root of life. That's why I don't want kids.
As buddha also said - life is suffering.
I'm so glad that PilotRedSun is becoming more popular.
His music is
And the Belgograd band? They’re known for Cock N Rolla.
Right? I feel like more and more people find the honey hole every day
He does make very good music
YOOOOOOO I REMEMBER SEEING HIS MUSIC HAVE LIKE 50K, THIS IS EXTREMELY GOOD NEWS, TY FOR THIS
If you are a masochist then existence is a win win.
Ayee my homie
Just don’t be a sadist
damn right,
anyone who has enjoyed a challenging game like darksouls would know how awesome it is to survive in a grim environment. so its a win win
@@NeostormXLMAX Dark Souls Homies Unite
Pain and suffering is not the same thing
This video just gave me a new perspective on Darling and the Franxx. That entire show illustrated that humans will always procreate even if there's a law put in place to "prevent" them from doing so.
Have you heard of Just Stop Oil?
in* the
China's one child policy was...something.
I love how you talk about an uncomfortable topic in a way where no one gets offended. Very good videos! Keep going man! You have a talent for making these :)
The very reason this channel is one of my inspirations
Very true, solar sands is a great writer and articulated his thoughts so clearly and cleanly!
Dont underestimate the power that people have to be offended by anything, one can always argue for and against any subject. I on the other hand liked this video very much
the mere existence of antinatalism offends me
This reminded me of a post I saw on twitter a few weeks ago that really stuck w me, about people that say "how could anyone not want that" when seeing a baby do something cute, as if a baby was some pet, not an entirely other human being, that will grow to have his own views, goals, disappointments, philosophies or whatever...
I’m not an anti-natalist, nor do I agree with anti-natalism but this is a really well made, thought-provoking video as always Solar Sands
idk man i keep thinking about thomas the train fanart
@@fam3871 lmao same
@@matt-st9ox I don't think that those were arguments against anti-natalism just an assessment of some of the members of the community and he even dismissed
Of course there's gonna be some toxic people
It definitely got me to think about anti-natalism in a more reasonable light. But I still disagree heavily with it.
"How good do you think your life is?"
Awful; I sometimes find myself envying the lifestyle of a pinecone.
Look up James Scotmore
Watching this video reminded me of a topic I've always been morbidly fascinated by, which is how the parents of objectively monstrous people - like school shooters and so on - reflect on their decision to procreate. Obviously, they usually deeply regret bringing that particular person into the world, often to the point of fantasizing about extremely elaborate counter-factual versions of their own life in which they didn't wind up having children. Like, "I should have never taken that job in 1978 because it resulted me in moving to Chicago which resulted in me meeting Fred who introduced me to Mary, who would become the mother of our horrible child." I guess you could say that if such people had just been converted to anti-natalism they would have both spared the world a lot of suffering through their decision to procreate, AND spared themselves a lot of mental anguish as well.
Thinking about people like this makes me feel like there can be some narrow utilitarian benefit to at least SOME people being anti-natalists, even if the odds of this being an upside for the rest of us are fairly random. I guess the orthodox anti-natalists would say the fact that we all have the random capacity to produce monster-children is sufficient evidence against procreation - we're all playing a kind of procreative Russian roulette in so many ways. But the rebuttal would be that worst-case-scenarios can also be used as an argument against just about anything - eating, sleeping, moving. Though I guess the anti-natalists would then respond by saying "which is why non-existence is the only safe bet!"
that is indeed interesting and morbid argument however reverse is also true imagine that someone's future child can become next Ghandi or find cure for cancer basically become a hero and hope for people but since their parent is Anti-Natalist that won't happen which will potentially will prolong suffering yes in grand scheme of things someone else will do it but possibility exists
ultimately in my opinion it comes down to parents if someone does conceive a child then they are RESPONSIBLE for them that may be a bit selfish or ignorant of me as I do not have children but I can speak on behalf of my parents as a child parenting is what makes or breaks a child as you mentioned there are school shooters and monsters but rather than shifting focus on procreation question must be asked about parenting that shooter did it for a reason maybe bullying, declining mental health or all together where were parents? they must have seen and help their child get them to Psychiatric ward or something like that but they did not and that is the result while there maybe hundred more who did not go through with it because of support from family
in the end all anti-natalism arguments hinge on bad parenting in my opinion
@@Докторпарадокс Anti-natalism hinges on suffering I believe. Life is too unpredictable that suffering is inevitable. You may be a good parent but your kid could easily be taken out by the next drunk driver. Why should they be subjected to the possible of dying with harm(both mental and physical)
Which is why anti natalism is very strong, not to mention the problem of consent. Nobody willed themself into a life that will cause suffering.
Excuse me for grammars errors.
Final note: Non-existance is way better then existance or at least in my opinion as one can't suffer when they don't exist nor are they aware of existance. While it does cancels out the good of life(netrual since they don't care about the good thing in life), it cancels the bad in life(good since suffering is always bad no matter what). Existance meanwhile has both the really good and the really bad(netrual due to the good and bad cancels each other)making the score in favor of nonexistent. So if you think about it, anti-natalism is one of the most moral ideals.
I love how this channel has gone from making fun of deviantart fetish art to questioning our own existence
Great job Solar you're a top tier channel
That abbreviation tho
Ss teir youtuber
Solar must have discovered that one manga where the guy's fetish is menstrual fluid, and decided that humanity must be stopped.
Voluntary extinction is a natural response to deviantart smut
why is it comforting to know that someone has also had this whole discussion and there’s actually a word for it
Because you’re not alone. And now you know.
its a whole subreddit but please don't go there
@@LtCaveman wasn’t planning on it 💀💀 i know how reddit can be
@@enbyriot9088 i mean there are some interesting arguments and convos but now it's more an hangout sub for ANsts. So they made r/AskAnAntinatalist and r/TrueAntinatalists to keep serious discussion. Altho please don't post low effort posts there.
@@herbertmarcuso6077 r/antinatalist is an absolute cesspool on the other hand, its about as childishly edgy as r/misanthropy
“Some numbnuts starting a nuclear war” that phrase made my day
I can see this video is going to be full of existential crisis
edit: I have watched it and it is not that much.
As per usual
Not so much, yes is very heavy, but life is struggle and happiness in a weird wholesome and crude way, very gray stuff but one must keep going forward. I mean, you can't go back in time and fix things (pls don't, we are going to have a shit ton of AU's).
Mario
@@purpledinosaur5118 Wario
@@MilanesaConPure Luigi
the antinatalism subreddit is probably like that because it's reddit, its just the nature of it
You can make a subreddit about 'teaching a man to fish' and a majority of it will be people getting angry that someone decided to 'give the man a fish' instead
Seeing that subreddit left me with a bitter taste
Pretty much.
@@badbad6763 its like comparing diarrhea and solid shit.
Bunch of incels trying to look cool
@Hunter Smith for sure
That new Attack on Titan episode got SolarSands acting strange.
I want to appreciate the few goods I have, even if I am in pain at the moment, isn’t this little ache worth life’s joys?
We adapt and overcome pain, we should embrace and let ourselves experience joy.
I don’t think I can be responsible enough to be a parent, but I want to still exist, if I had been able to consent to it I might have actually agreed, thinking maybe the presence of this nuanced palate of emotions than to not feel anything.
I think a very big part of it is the community one lives in.
Without being born there is no risk (of suffering),
But if there is risk, there is reward along side it.
And there is the possibility of greatly damaging your offspring.
There is no risk of suffering though; it is an absolute guarantee. There is exceptionally little, if any, possibility of reward though. The possibility for a single drop of water in eternal fires of hell, doesn't make hell worth it. @@PerpetualAgonizingTorment
@@PerpetualAgonizingTormentreward. maybe for you
The creepiest about this is there will be one last person on earth. The only one alive.
It's not fair... There was finally time...
@@IaeyanElyuex my glasses!
Well, depending on how the end of humanity comes around, the last human might die just a microsecond after the past few thousand
@@SenhorAlien truth
As it seems its only the two of us alone in this world m'lady
My immediate thought when clicking this video “Zeke Jeager is that you?”
I can totally imagine Zeke showing this video to hobo Eren in Liberio.
I'm happy I'm not the only one who thought that pfft, he'd love this video
I got sent this video from the attack on Titan discord to explain zekes plan
Ikr😂😂😂
Its funny the timing of this vid lol
I have just realized that I have an illness that could cause my spine to fuse together, so I'm kind of mad I was brought into existence. I think I personally want to continue existence, but I don't want to have children to also experience this. I think people should put more consideration into having children. Like iv know of people with a bunch of kids who didn't even want them.
Sorry to hear that... you have a point though, children are no joke. They are people just like you and me, with their own thoughts, experiences, their own demons. Hell, it’s scary seeing people my own age having children so damn soon. I’m not sure if they realize how much of the rest of their lives they’re going to need to sacrifice to raise them, and that’s assuming they do...
@@abrahamcastaneda3814 imagine deciding to have a child on a whim, just because of societal norms, not giving too much thought about it (or worse, an unplanned child) and then realize life as a parent sucks for you.. and just knowing you are gonna have to raise your kid for at least 20 years when you didn't really want to deep down.
Ankylosing Spondylitis?
I’m sorry to hear that, Fight hard, I’ll be praying for you
I had a vasectomy because I don't wanna pass on my mental illness that I inherited from my mother.
was not expecting the poetic use of rifts era opn in the middle of this video. hell yeah. also this is really really good
so i never want children but even when i was a kid , i thought that if i ever wanted children once im older that i would want to adopt, i think its more important to take care of a child that is already alive and needs a family then create a new child.
Take care of your wife's son
@@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon what
I've always thought of adoption.
That’s how I felt as a kid. Made it much easier to accept the fact I’ll never conceive one naturally. Then I became an adult and screw bringing some poor life into the world today. Focus on the children here now
@@Ajatarra With all respect, if people in Subsaharan Africa under bad conditions and in the past where people worked in factories and had no access to proper medicine produced offspring, we, living in the most technologically and medicinally advanced society,with incomparable luxury compared to the times back then, should definitely not complain about not wanting to bring life because it would be "pain"
For what pain life brings it also brings joy and even the most broken spirit can be revived and made happy again and in the end shouldn't we strive to improve the world for all?
I just realised that this is literally the philosophy of Zeke from Aot
I feel that this was video release time was preplanned just to pick up on the trends
I love that you used a soundtrack from half life 2, a world where an alien invasion stripped humans of the ability to reproduce by preventing a certain protein to form on the planet.
The simple fact remains that you cannot guarantee anyone will not have a life full of tragedy. You cannot rule out that you or those close to you will not be debilitated by some accident, some disease. You cannot guarantee that anyone you know will have a quick, peaceful exit from this life. No one is better off having contracted a horrible disease that leaves them crippled, or getting their spine snapped in an automobile accident. All you can do is pretend and hope that it won't happen to you and those you love, but certainly anyone who has experienced a tragedy didn't think it could happen to them either.
Look up James Scotmore
That's true of practically everything. I can only hope when I give a homeless person a sandwich that he will not choke to death on it. It may happen and it likely has happened. We can't say all such gambling is unethical unless we deem virtually everything unethical.
Look up Martin Butler
@@darkengine5931 Yes. It's true of literally everything in fact. So when you make assumptions of the positive, you cannot guarantee them, so making decisions on a positive value judgement is not any more valid than making them on a negative value judgement. Except the negative value judgement asserts that suffering is bad, we do not like to suffer, and life condemns one to suffer eventually. The positive cannot be guaranteed with any certainty. The negative almost certainly can. Even if you break the odds and don't suffer, somebody else will.
@@cabellocorto5586 I'm not sure I agree with the notion of suffering being bad in such a simplistic way. From my perspective, suffering implies the presence of something very good and dear and valuable to the person. As an example, heartbreaks are certainly not pleasant; they can be quite devastating. And they're also guaranteed to happen for any couple who falls in love and doesn't gradually fall out of love. Even then, one is going to typically die before the other, guaranteeing that the other gets a broken heart. Yet the reason they suffer so much is because they treasured their love so much. Suffering, as I see it, is a symptom of precious things not lasting forever: hearts break, bodies wear and tear, beauty fades, lives end.
The last part is exactly how I feel. A lot of people have children they aren't ready for purely because they were pressured into it, didn't take enough precautions (which can sometimes be their fault and sometimes be the fault of their surroundings for not teaching them how to use protection properly), or didn't research enough before making that decision.
Creating life should be a very informed, researched, thoroughly reasoned out choice.
I've decided not to have kids because I know I would be terrible at it. Some days I get angry extremely easily, I have very low energy most of the time, I have a lot of mental health problems, I don't like the mess or the noise or the constant mental energy it would take to make sure you aren't screwing this kid up for the rest of their life by being careless in some way.
Every single action you take around that child matters and will have an impact on them. It's extremely delicate. My parents failed in that realm. I don't want to risk repeating that toxic cycle because I physically and mentally can't keep up with being responsible for a growing human being. It's better for everyone involved for me to choose not to procreate. If someone else is willing to accept the risks, has done their research, and understands the huge amount of responsibility they're taking on, good for them, I hope the kid does well in life. It's just not for me, and I often get frustrated when I'm told that my decision not to reproduce is "irresponsible" and "selfish" when that couldn't be farther from the truth.
I was mostly raised by social services. If there's one social program that can ALWAYS use more money no matter your politics, it should be public child healthcare/safety because there plainly AREN'T enough safe spaces for children who can't go home. Anyway, I was a newlywed during the Rodney King LA riot in the early 1990s. We were watching live tv when a truck driver got pulled from his cab by a small gang of people who urinated on him and dropped bricks on his head. We both turned to each other in that moment and said the same thing, "let's NOT have kids." The world doesn't need any more people to drive insane. Neither of us ever mentioned any regrets in almost 30 years together. People ask us the secret for long marriage, but we hesitate to say it aloud: "no kids."
Quit over thinking it
same man I get pissed at kids so easily I couldn't be a mom lmaooo
Same
@@YungSteambuns bringing human life into the world is the one thing you should overthink
Let me just say. I’ve watched your content evolve over the years and I’ve followed you since your days of reviewing “cringe” art online. I’ve loved every installment of your newest work, and I feel as if I’ve grown with you as a person as your content matured and evolved. I appreciate and admire your level of analysis on topics such as these, and I have come to truly respect you and the depth of your content. Keep up the amazing work Solar.
I totally agree
i kinda miss the old videos and prefer the art reviews
(i dont want them back because solar seems to be sick of it tho, id rather he be happy analysing this stuff than bored filling content that ppl want)
My thoughts exactly.
Look up Martin Butler
I have thought something similar for a long time. I Thought "Man this sucks. Why would I bring someone into this? Why not just adopt?" I never had anything against having kids. I just thought it made more sense to help someone who was stuck in this world, then to bring someone in to this world.
My exact thought process haha
Damn never thought like that
There's nothing else on t.v. , might as well play the horror game.
That is so so smart
I mean that's great and everything, but adoption is a considerably more difficult, painful and drawn out process than you would think. Many couples literally try for years to adopt a child and are ultimately unable to. It's not as simple as "I want to adopt a kid, and now I have one". Considering that, I don't blame people for wanting to take the simpler and easier route of just giving birth to your own child.
Appreciate you covering this in a fair and interesting way, thank you 💕
2019 Solar Sands: “Look at this art! What were they thinking?!?!”
2021 Solar Sands: “What if we went extinct?”
Wait I’m not on vsauce...right?”
what an original comment
"hey vsauce Michael here"
If by bringing that person to the world you are responsible in someway of all of the pain and suffering that they will experience, then by extension you are also the reason of every single drop of joy and happines in that person's life
Correct.
@@SolarSands I agree
@@SolarSands pretty epic if i do say so myself. and I do
@@SolarSands *Obligatory sempai notice me*
I really like that you bring up topics like this, engaging with these ideas is a good oportunity to argue our own preconcive concive convictions and creat more real and less "romantic" arguments for life and other things.
Yes, but unless you can ensure in some way that there will be an acceptable ratio of pleasure to suffering (acceptable by the child's standards, as these things are subjective) it's too risky a gamble, as a human life is too great a chip to lose.
If I was never brought into this world, I never would have seen Shrek 2, think about that.
Halo 2
@Alvi Syahri 👊
Haha I love you
fuk shrek 2 , i just want to dissapear
But I love Shrek 2
:(
4:55 the use of hl2 music when talking about human extinction via not reproducing is very fitting
imagine not being born into this world
couldn't be me
Imagine not being free lmao couldn't be me
geez Mikasa you're such a slave
Imagine not even living on this world
“Mr. Ksavier, I hope you’re watching!”
-Solar Sands, apparently
Imagine if this is the solution to the Fermi Paradox. All the aliens were just like "f*ck it"
What if an onion news article is right and we live in the lamest part of 5r universe, thus no aliens come over
Oh gosh I hope not. That would be so sad.
The great filter is actually a species-wide midlife crisis
*let's not f*ck it
@@nevermore4455 I agree
It's goddamn creepy when people keep repeating these quotes "life is beautiful", "life is gift", "you should be grateful" like a broken record. It's like they are brainwashed from the core.
All about perspective. There’s people that live a happy life and enjoy their time on earth. Unlike you
@@lethweiblackbelt 👍
@@Ectoplasm99999 But thumbs up means positivity? How can you hate humans and be positive?
iam14andthisisdeep
life is a gift😂😂😂 yep it sure is - larry from his mother's basement agrees
I’ve actually wondered about this before. I personally doubt I’ll ever have children, as I don’t want to fail them. I don’t think I would do a good job raising them.
same here, makes serious relationships kind of difficult though
Aren't these just noble excuses though?
@@apoptose1558 I don’t really want kids, I suppose these are excuses but that’s just an explanation
Very good choice!
@@apoptose1558 I would rather have noble excuses than to have the mistake of bringing up children the way my parents. I'd rather help people that are currently suffering and born than to add more people to that fate.
A similar sentiment is shared among the youths in China, many of them no longer want to have kids because it is so expensive to raise a child up in China
China is massively screwed in the future from a similar way of thinking. They had a huge population boom so they made the one child policy to stop over population, without realizing that it means in a few decades the population is going to decline like crazy and ruin the economy. I think this is going to be a problem in developed countries where people aren't having kids because it's too expensive, and once the old people retire the new generation will have a really hard time living.
this is also literally happening in the us
@@saoz3 Ye
@@saoz3 oh it already a promble. Many countries properly the asian type are suffering from it now. singapore, japan etc
@Shafigh Khalili yeah
" I didn't kill them, I saved their children from suffering " - Zeke jeager
Thanos makes so much more sense now
Still murder.
@@OneEyeShadow Cool motive, still murder
None of the children had a say if they wanted to continue life or not, and those are some messed up thoughts of Zeke, considering the thoughts presented in the video.
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omg you used redpilotsun's music! I love the acheivement album!
I sometimes think the only reason we don't realize just how much everyone suffers is because we evolved toward coping with it all. Think of how really salient lines from popular media end up being used humorously. Lines like, "Why are we still here? Just to suffer?" and, "I never asked for this," end up being repurposed into hilariously absurd concepts. Using a serious expression of amputee PTSD to joke about some mundane odd behavior, or putting a line about our ultimate lack of control in a situation like receiving the wrong order at a restaurant. These things are instantly adapted into humor because we understand how real they are.
There is real evidence that suggests this. Or theories like "Terror Management Theory". The human brain will usually collapse upon itself mentally if face with the full brunt of reality.
It’s sad thinking about it, I remember some memes I used to crack up to but remembering them now makes me feel really depressed, such a world we live in huh?
It's kind of a weird situation though really. Like if someone is terribly sick but they're happy with their life what are you gonna do? No you're not happy your life is terrible! If we can cope with it then how bad can it all really be.
@@Badassmcawsome009 That's why I've never been inspired by disabled motivational speakers. From my perspective, they are just unwittingly flaunting an ability that I don't have. When I see someone able to cope so well with my worst fears, it just makes me think about how much worse it's going to be when I finally lose use of a limb or a sense, because I just don't have whatever they have that keeps them positive and motivated.
Now, Ricky Berwick on the other hand, he gives me hope. You don't get a sense of humor like that without experiencing deep, inescapable internal suffering.
@@Pensive_Scarlet I think an important thing to remember is that everyone in life, no matter how "priveleged" or impoverished, feels suffering of some kind. They feel self doubt. They have fears.
These motivational speakers do not show the sorrow they felt in the past or that which they do now. Those who learn to enjoy life and be happy despite disabilities of all kinds did not do so because they were always like that. They learned it through a trial by fire.
If there's something I've learned as I've made my first awkward steps into adulthood, it's that everyone, despite age and experience, is kind of flying by the seat of their pants.
They are trying their best with what knowledge and skills they have, and hoping that it sticks. It is not what I thought as a child, that adults are just somehow better at everything, but we're all just trying to figure out how to navigate life.
To me, I find that very encouraging. It can be scary for me to do things like want to date and make friends, but if I know that those people are struggling just like I am to figure things out, it helps me feel a bit more confident.
Well, I didn't know my 15yo banter of "I never asked to be born" had not only a proper name but an entire movement behind it. The more you know. What I get from it is: You can never lose the game if you never play it. And the counter-argument for "but you'll never win either" is to question if you are truly winning (sorry for the gamer analogy), coupled with a good siding of nihilism.
It feels like one of those questions/discussions that will never reach a consensus because the opposing parties diverge on a fundamental level, in this case, their world views on life and all. I won't delve into explaining because the video already does it pretty well for both sides, so I'm on the "Life is Good" side, but I respect you if you don't agree on this.
Actually a pretty good analogy
its rare to see such well written comments that even a dumbass like me can understand them but this is defifnitly one of them. you may want to look into writing it could be a lot of fun especially for someone like you that nows how to really articulate an idea. (also sorry for the bad grammar im not a native speaker)
I also agree with snoopi I enjoyed your post and I kinda agree with the whole idea behind this movement
And then the counter argument to questioning whether you're truly winning is asking whether never playing at all is in fact better than losing. This line of thinking doesn't really reveal anything except for just your own personal beliefs. Antinatalism makes assumptions about the nature of life, and so does pronatalism because there isn't anything we _can_ do except assume.
I'm on the life "is" side.