Ever since I got the mic loop years ago, I wore it in a way that prevents the 'wire choking' from happening. Radio on belt; Mic wire goes straight up under vest (where velcro enclosures are), behind the shoulder, through the epaulet on vest, then just under the collar to attach to the mic loop. Aside from it being safer, it's way more comfortable than the wire running across your back. 👍
As a new rookie police officer, I experimented a while with different mic placements. I had it on the shoulder for a while. It does indeed take your focus off. I got into my first scuffle last week when we had a suspect become violent when my Lieutenant attempted to search him. My mic was centered with the cord around my back and it held up thanks to your mic loop despite the tug of war and wrestling match. Thank god I gave my LT my first mic loop a while back (your product, I had two, one black, mine is thin blue line) and he called for assistance during that scuffle. Our mics held up. Thanks again for your products and advice.
I sometimes run the cord under my carrier vest, but if I do wear it across my back, I run it under the large hook and loop agency patch that's there. Makes it harder for someone to grab and use against me.
I was taught different. Out at an academy I went to your we’re not allowed to wear the radio like that due to someone grab the cord on the the back. I didn’t believe that because I don’t see anyone ever turning their back on a suspect unless they are dealing with more than one person. *Disclaimer I am not currently active Law Enforcement. Just looking at getting an earpiece for security related work.*
I'm not in law enforcement but I've used radios with speaker mic's while working security for years. I get that the loop might provide better retention than just the clip(if you're wearing a carrier or something to attach the loop to), but I don't see why one would need to turn their head with the mic on a shoulder or need to reach across their body. That's a training issue, not a mic placement one. I always used my left hand to key the mic(which was on my left shoulder) and never needed to turn my head for the mic to hear me.
Some guys have the dexterity to do that, some don’t. I know that I don’t because I have a large build. If it works for you, then great. However, from a tactical perspective having the mic center chest is optimal. Having you hands centrally located, head up with eyes on your subject is optimal for quick defense. Also, when mobile such as chasing someone it’s much more ergonomic to grab the mic on your chest than the shoulder.
In the army we have these large hand mics that we would carry up at the shoulder if you were the guy who was unfortunate enough to be tasked with carrying the brick.
“You’ve allowed someone the upper hand?” What happens when you’ve got a guy who’s 2x 3x 4x your size and high on PCP? Choking you from behind is unrealistic? Grabbing your gun is unrealistic? That’s wild.
I don't know what to tell you. As far as I'm concerned it is going to take a lot of steps for anyone to start choking me. Let alone someone much bigger than me. Getting yourself into that position doesn't happen immediately. Bottom line, train for these scenarios, and train on how to stay out of them.
I just think it's interesting because I'm former army so I have military background but I have no law enforcement background. I mean as for people trying to grab our weapons it's happened but it's never been something that has been successful because unlike a cop a soldier is never outside the wire unless he has his buddies you have your battle buddies and they are not going to let that happen. So I wouldn't say that likely in the military but again in the military you're never alone you have a lot of backup from the battles around cops off and have to face the enemy alone on the side of the road
I've noticed that when you're running or going hands on EVERYTHING flys off. lol Your radio might be the most important hardware on your belt. I wear it just like you except it's on my right hip over my left shoulder. One thing you could do is run the wires under your shirt and use the smaller PTT mic. I think having things as centerline as you can is a good rule of thumb. And that's non negotiable.
Never cared for the idea of the PTT mic. When adrenaline is a factor small motor skills go out the window. Grabbing a hand mic with the full hand is better in this situation IMO
I see you guys complaining about this gentleman's opinion, but in reality, it all comes down to personal preference and the way you train (if you actually train). Mic on chest can be dangerous yes, but it all comes down on how you ended up in that situation, prior training and what you're going to do about it in that moment. If the lapel mic worries you that much, then use the radio on hand-held mode like the pre-1990's era. No one should give you shit about it. Again, it all comes down to personal preference and training. If you like being "uncomfortable" and walking with a choking hazard around your neck, you're welcome to. If you like to use the radio hand-held where if it falls at any given time, only God will know your location during an emergency situation, you're are also welcome to.
Why do police officers not use the phonetic alphabet? I've always wondered that I've heard them use adam for a replacement for a and boy as a replacement for b it just seems like alpha bravo charlie delta etc would be more uniform because I'm sure it varies from departments I've also wondered because it would simplify things a lot a military singars radio when they're speaking on it we would use the phonetic spelling oftentimes rather than the numbers that I hear police use quite a bit I don't know I guess that the letters were always easier for me to understand then the numbers I couldn't imagine retaining all of these various number codes I mean we had to memorize things like a nine-line medevac or casevac but it was still not as seemingly complicated as all of these 10 4 10 9 ect
I use to wonder the same thing but it just depends on the officer. I'm an explorer with my sheriff's office and asked a deputy and they said they personally like to use phonetic because the alphabet where its like adam boy charles sounds weird compared to alpha bravo charlie. But it just depends on the officer mainly.
I would say that in corrections you might want to be more mindful of being choked by your mic cord, simply due to the fact that they have limited tools to take from you to use against you. We were taught from day one not to cross our mics across our backs, However, I do understand that for most scenarios this would be an unrealistic concern. I have also heard of officers sliding the mic through the shoulder strap of their uniform shirt or vest to add a second level of retention in case it comes unclipped in a fight or chase.
Ralph G The Mic Loop works in conjunction with body armor. If you’re not wearing body armor TML won’t work. There are other product that attach to a shirt button but may not be as secure.
I got a coworker who used to be an EMT. He said he bought a quick disconnect push to talk and used a tuned earpiece. Low profile and you can have a tailor make a 1 inch slot in your polos on whatever side you keep your radio. It QD’s into your adapter that is on your radio. Then your tubed earpiece jacks into your push to talk which is clipped up in between the buttons of your shirt. Law enforcement uses these too so you can run without a line around your back. No mic loop needed for those radio setups
In my opinion, either of the around the back chest setups is the best. I'd much rather have less risk of my suspect stealing my microphone even with a mic loop because honestly, there's always the chance it'll fail. Than just have my wire not pushing up against my back in the car as I've honestly heard some complain about. Best overall format though in my opinion is threading the mic through/under your exterior carrier if you're agency uses or allows them.
𝕲𝖍𝖔𝖘𝖙𝖞𝕯𝖗𝖎𝖕ツ I don’t use a wireless mic. I’m not a fan of the idea, however I can see where it can benefit. Defiantly need a way to anchor it down though.
Why do you keep turning your head as if your AGC enabled radio won’t pick up your voice? I’ve never had to direct my voice. I could keep the mic in my lap below the level of the window while driving and it picks up my normal conversation just fine. No yelling. Enable your AGC.
Ever since I got the mic loop years ago, I wore it in a way that prevents the 'wire choking' from happening. Radio on belt; Mic wire goes straight up under vest (where velcro enclosures are), behind the shoulder, through the epaulet on vest, then just under the collar to attach to the mic loop. Aside from it being safer, it's way more comfortable than the wire running across your back. 👍
Joe B Awesome! Stay safe
As a new rookie police officer, I experimented a while with different mic placements. I had it on the shoulder for a while. It does indeed take your focus off.
I got into my first scuffle last week when we had a suspect become violent when my Lieutenant attempted to search him. My mic was centered with the cord around my back and it held up thanks to your mic loop despite the tug of war and wrestling match.
Thank god I gave my LT my first mic loop a while back (your product, I had two, one black, mine is thin blue line) and he called for assistance during that scuffle. Our mics held up.
Thanks again for your products and advice.
That’s outstanding brother! So glad to hear about this.
I sometimes run the cord under my carrier vest, but if I do wear it across my back, I run it under the large hook and loop agency patch that's there. Makes it harder for someone to grab and use against me.
I was taught different. Out at an academy I went to your we’re not allowed to wear the radio like that due to someone grab the cord on the the back. I didn’t believe that because I don’t see anyone ever turning their back on a suspect unless they are dealing with more than one person.
*Disclaimer I am not currently active Law Enforcement. Just looking at getting an earpiece for security related work.*
Kirk Cabbage Yep. I think that if you’re getting choked by your mic cord, then you’ve used bad tactics.
I'm not in law enforcement but I've used radios with speaker mic's while working security for years. I get that the loop might provide better retention than just the clip(if you're wearing a carrier or something to attach the loop to), but I don't see why one would need to turn their head with the mic on a shoulder or need to reach across their body. That's a training issue, not a mic placement one. I always used my left hand to key the mic(which was on my left shoulder) and never needed to turn my head for the mic to hear me.
Some guys have the dexterity to do that, some don’t. I know that I don’t because I have a large build. If it works for you, then great. However, from a tactical perspective having the mic center chest is optimal. Having you hands centrally located, head up with eyes on your subject is optimal for quick defense. Also, when mobile such as chasing someone it’s much more ergonomic to grab the mic on your chest than the shoulder.
Also as a combatives instructor with my department having the mic placed center chest is best for when in a fighting scenario.
It all depends on the radio. Some you have to talk in to the mic, some you can just talk at the mic
Plus your hands are basically at your mic when in an interview stance if it’s center lined
Great vid. Sorry missed it but caught it at work. Keep safe
In the army we have these large hand mics that we would carry up at the shoulder if you were the guy who was unfortunate enough to be tasked with carrying the brick.
“You’ve allowed someone the upper hand?” What happens when you’ve got a guy who’s 2x 3x 4x your size and high on PCP? Choking you from behind is unrealistic? Grabbing your gun is unrealistic? That’s wild.
I don't know what to tell you. As far as I'm concerned it is going to take a lot of steps for anyone to start choking me. Let alone someone much bigger than me. Getting yourself into that position doesn't happen immediately. Bottom line, train for these scenarios, and train on how to stay out of them.
My comment is work related to manufacturing, how to place it so it doesn’t shut off the volume on me?
If there's someone who's 4x my size, being 1000 lbs, and 25 feet tall, I think the entire world has some problems and not just me.
I just think it's interesting because I'm former army so I have military background but I have no law enforcement background. I mean as for people trying to grab our weapons it's happened but it's never been something that has been successful because unlike a cop a soldier is never outside the wire unless he has his buddies you have your battle buddies and they are not going to let that happen. So I wouldn't say that likely in the military but again in the military you're never alone you have a lot of backup from the battles around cops off and have to face the enemy alone on the side of the road
Good advice!
I think so
I've noticed that when you're running or going hands on EVERYTHING flys off. lol Your radio might be the most important hardware on your belt. I wear it just like you except it's on my right hip over my left shoulder. One thing you could do is run the wires under your shirt and use the smaller PTT mic. I think having things as centerline as you can is a good rule of thumb. And that's non negotiable.
Never cared for the idea of the PTT mic. When adrenaline is a factor small motor skills go out the window. Grabbing a hand mic with the full hand is better in this situation IMO
@@TheMicLoop I concur
However we also always had a long gun in our hands so it's not as if we ever had to reach for something when we were interacting with someone
I see you guys complaining about this gentleman's opinion, but in reality, it all comes down to personal preference and the way you train (if you actually train). Mic on chest can be dangerous yes, but it all comes down on how you ended up in that situation, prior training and what you're going to do about it in that moment.
If the lapel mic worries you that much, then use the radio on hand-held mode like the pre-1990's era. No one should give you shit about it. Again, it all comes down to personal preference and training. If you like being "uncomfortable" and walking with a choking hazard around your neck, you're welcome to. If you like to use the radio hand-held where if it falls at any given time, only God will know your location during an emergency situation, you're are also welcome to.
Why do police officers not use the phonetic alphabet? I've always wondered that I've heard them use adam for a replacement for a and boy as a replacement for b it just seems like alpha bravo charlie delta etc would be more uniform because I'm sure it varies from departments I've also wondered because it would simplify things a lot a military singars radio when they're speaking on it we would use the phonetic spelling oftentimes rather than the numbers that I hear police use quite a bit I don't know I guess that the letters were always easier for me to understand then the numbers I couldn't imagine retaining all of these various number codes I mean we had to memorize things like a nine-line medevac or casevac but it was still not as seemingly complicated as all of these 10 4 10 9 ect
I use to wonder the same thing but it just depends on the officer. I'm an explorer with my sheriff's office and asked a deputy and they said they personally like to use phonetic because the alphabet where its like adam boy charles sounds weird compared to alpha bravo charlie. But it just depends on the officer mainly.
Thx for the video. I was debating where to place my mic.
I would say that in corrections you might want to be more mindful of being choked by your mic cord, simply due to the fact that they have limited tools to take from you to use against you. We were taught from day one not to cross our mics across our backs, However, I do understand that for most scenarios this would be an unrealistic concern. I have also heard of officers sliding the mic through the shoulder strap of their uniform shirt or vest to add a second level of retention in case it comes unclipped in a fight or chase.
If you're getting choked by your mic cord then you've used bad tactics
Any advice for EMS who wears a cotton polo? I'm having issues trying to secure my mic. I use it with an earpiece
Ralph G The Mic Loop works in conjunction with body armor. If you’re not wearing body armor TML won’t work. There are other product that attach to a shirt button but may not be as secure.
I got a coworker who used to be an EMT. He said he bought a quick disconnect push to talk and used a tuned earpiece. Low profile and you can have a tailor make a 1 inch slot in your polos on whatever side you keep your radio. It QD’s into your adapter that is on your radio. Then your tubed earpiece jacks into your push to talk which is clipped up in between the buttons of your shirt. Law enforcement uses these too so you can run without a line around your back. No mic loop needed for those radio setups
I have that same speaker mic it's the RMN5038A it does alright to me the only thing I like about it is has the volume up and down in the front
Bluetooth PTT POD, takes away that cord from behind your back
I agree 100%
In my opinion, either of the around the back chest setups is the best. I'd much rather have less risk of my suspect stealing my microphone even with a mic loop because honestly, there's always the chance it'll fail. Than just have my wire not pushing up against my back in the car as I've honestly heard some complain about. Best overall format though in my opinion is threading the mic through/under your exterior carrier if you're agency uses or allows them.
What is your opinion on the new wireless motorola microphone for APX 6000?
𝕲𝖍𝖔𝖘𝖙𝖞𝕯𝖗𝖎𝖕ツ I don’t use a wireless mic. I’m not a fan of the idea, however I can see where it can benefit. Defiantly need a way to anchor it down though.
how to add mic onto t-shirts? I work on parking team at church to help park vehicles. Steve
The Mic Loop was designed to attached to a Velcro surface such as body armor. If your shirt has Velcro it can attach.
Do you feel a tension in shoulder after a while using your mic like this? Like from your back since the cord wrapped around you . Thanks
Tien Doan I do not.
The cord is actually very loose and moves with your body, I honestly don’t feel it at all unless I’m sitting.
Why do you keep turning your head as if your AGC enabled radio won’t pick up your voice? I’ve never had to direct my voice. I could keep the mic in my lap below the level of the window while driving and it picks up my normal conversation just fine. No yelling. Enable your AGC.
has anyone used earphone connection Bluetooth mic's?
Hi nick
Loop choke Lapel choke Your dead
While it is possible to be choked in that manner, it’s not likely if you’re using good tactics.
Use a Bluetooth one problem solved
YOU DO NOT KNOW ABOUT ANYTHING ABOUT RADIO AND MIC
SASHA I’ve only used one every work day for 11.5 years. I guess I don’t know anything at all. Thanks.
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