Thanks for checking out my video 🙏🏼 I didn’t forget, I used Tenacity as a pre-emergent on this video so surfactant is not needed, I didn’t have any live weeds to get rid off.
Cool video series. I have a small 10x40 yard so it is pretty easy to pull by hand every coupl3 weeks since I only get weeds in the corners back corners where the wind brings the seeds in and deposits them, the rest of the series I’ve enjoyed.
I use blue die to make my lawn look full and vibrant just before rental inspection they always compliment me on how good the lawns look lol it's just blue die
Just purchased Tenacity today, did not know you can use Tenacity the day after seeding. Was going to use Tenacity first and wait a few weeks before over seeding. This helps me stay within the window of over seeding. Thank you!
Please come and do my yard in Indiana . Great video. I'm a first time home owner and have enjoyed these helpful videos. I had no clue of how to treat my yard.
Actually, you can use other types of herbicides besides Meso/Tenacity when seeding, but since it is safe for your type of grass, it's probably the best choice. I know when I was seeding my Zoysia I bought some Quinclorac (great for crabgrass) and I remember looking at the label (which everybody does, right?), it said it is safe for applying before seeding, during seeding, during germination, on established and even dormant Zoysia awns. My front lawn is Zoysia and it's filling in very nicely this year, but I'm going to redo my back lawn (about 10,000 sq. ft.) and put down some Kentucky Bluegrass so I'll definitely be using Tenacity myself. I don't recall but I think 2, 4D is safe on most turfs during seeding as well. 2, 4D is a great and inexpensive broad leaf herbicide. Most (at least many) herbicides that contain multiple products for a broad spectrum of control have 2, 4D listed as the first active ingredient. One reason is it kills so many types of weeds and another reason is because it is so inexpensive. Did you put down fertilizer or iron supplements in those two weeks?
@@ShortCutLawn I have a 450 sqft yard 3200 sqft yard 9000 sqft yard 3200 sqft yard It is too expensive to do everything I want to do year round. So my yards are on a yearly rotation. This year my 450 sqft and one of my 3200sqft yard is getting worked on. That 3200sqft one is FILLED with ruts hidden by st Augustine.
Awesome series....exactly what I intend to do in spring..!! Only extra is to kill off some thick blade weed grass first...any suggestions on a total weedkiller to use which will break down prior to dethatching and seeding...?
Good ‘ol glyphosate will do the trick. I typically apply it 2-3 times in a span of about 2 weeks to completely wipe out everything. I continue to water in between application so I can see any survivors. Technically you can plant seeds same day as your last glyph application, reason is glyphosate has already broken down by the time seeds sprouted. But, I don’t practice this technique, I wait another week before I put the seeds down. 👍🏼 (Wear proper PPE specially when using Glyphosate)
@@ShortCutLawn thats just the info to hear.....yes I can spray just the weed sections, I have some blue dye for the weed killer..!! Then deep scarify and then reseed the bald patches and overseed the rest. I'm looking forward to next spring now..!! Did a cut, gentle scarify and autumn treatment today to help the good grass to be healthy as possible for next year. Thanks very much for your reply....much appreciated 👍👍
I love Tenacity, but I cannot use it because it's not safe to use on a Zoysia lawn or I'd have used it on my recently renovated lawn. It's a bummer...it really is a great product. :-/ I did a total renovation including renting a sod cutter and removing 2 inches of soil to lower my lawn, which removed most of the weed seeds too, but I still have some minor weed issues that are coming under control with 2, 4D and Quinclorac. The Goose grass has been removed by hand until it dies off this winter and I can put down some pre-emergent herbicides next year to get the rest under control. Just as a heads up, a lawn care professional told me for best results, you should rotate which pre-emergent you use so you're rotating the type of pre-emergence herbicide every 1-2 years so you do not build up a resistance. I love the transformation you had in just those few weeks. I was cracking up when you pulled out the tiller and used it to mix the top dressing, and like me, you were so excited to get the job going you overlooked cleaning the tiller and weed seeds first. Thank goodness for Tenacity!
Hi and thanks for the message I am from Puerto Rico and I have Zoysia Manila on my lawn I am a super rookie on this but I am trying to find zoysia seeds for overseeding and cannot find them. As a comment they recommended my Basagran for thin leaves and confront for round leaves weeds I applied them a few days ago already seeing the effect on both. I think it will take me a full month to try to see the full results and then planning to cut, detach, aerate, topdress and fertilize wait 2-3 weeks cut and see the results any imput on zoysia will be great. Thanks
@@rondapro Charlie, there are several types of Zoysia grass. There are 3 basic types, and the type from Japan is the only one that can produce seeds, or a hybrid using this Japanese type of Zoysia. I used Zenith Zoysia seed which is SUPER small, but 1 pound of seed can cover 1,000 sq. ft. so it goes a long way. I bought mine off of amazon.com and the vendor was (I think) Super-Sod. Last year they had weather issues and didn't get the seed harvest they expected so I had to buy 3 bags of 2 pound bags of seed for 6 pounds total for my 5,000 sq. ft. front lawn. Bad weather delayed me putting down my seed and it did not establish enough to where I could put down a pre-emergent herbicide to fight off winter weeds so my yard is a mess this year, but what young Zoysia made it though the winter (which was most of it) is already green so I'll be able to use some post-emergent herbicides to fight back those weeds. The Zoysia is already pushing out above ground runners to spread through the rest of the front lawn so 95% of my lawn should be fully covered in Zoysia before our first frost which is usually the last week of October, but I'll be able to put down a pre-emergent and keep 99% of the weeds out. Honestly, I'm still pretty excited with the current growth considering how late I had to put down seed. I do not know how well Zenith Zoysia will mix into your existing Zoysia as some Zoysia has thin blades and others have medium blade so you'd want to make sure the blade thickness is close and the normal color is close if you cannot find the exact seed type you want. Or you can just fertilize normally and allow your existing Zoysia to spread. Your soil test will tell you exactly what fertilizer to put down. I'm due to put down some 16-4-8, but I'm going to put down the 16-4-8+iron because iron is a micro-nutrient that gives your lawn a deeper green. I also suggest seeing if you can find some Milorganite. It has a little nitrogen so be careful how much nitrogen you put on your Zoysia as too much nitrogen can cause thatch problems, but the Milorganite is a great food for a lawn as it is organic matter. If you bag your clippings you'll probably want to put back a little more fertilizer and Milorganite to make up for the material removed by bagging your clippings. If you don't have many weed issues, just mulch the clippings using a good mulching blade. Personally, I'm currently bagging all of my clippings because I want to remove as much weed seed as possible, but once I get my weeds under control I'll stop doing that. I found a lot of great information at "Lawn Care Academy" too. Best of luck!
@@rondapro Charlie, if you are having trouble finding the same seed you put down, just get a soil test if you haven't already, put down the correct fertilizer amounts per the soil test, and allow the Zoysia to spread naturally. My last soil test is telling me to put down X pounds of 16-4-8 per every 1,000 sq. ft.. I'll probably get some 16-4-8+iron as iron pushes a little more green into the grass as a micro-nutrient. I also suggest putting down some Milorganite if you have access to it. Do not put down that much, or adjust the amount of nitrogen you put down to a little lower amount as Milorganite has some nitrogen in it as well. Milorganite is a great organic filler that is not fertilizer heavy that gives plants organic matter to use for growth. It smells, and if you look up how Milorganite is made it will make sense. :0) If you have some spots of dense Zoysia growth you can find a plugging tool on Amazon. I don't have the link, but the one I'm planning on purchasing for the exact same use is green and it has 3 rings you can put around the bottom that stop the plugging tool from going past the desired depth. The bottom of the plugging tool is slightly smaller than the tube above it so they are easy to remove from the tube. It's green...I don't recall much else? I do remember there was a 1 star review that was really dumb that had photos with it where the tool was beat all to crap like he was jumping up and down on it to get it to go into soil that had almost nothing but rocks, and he was saying it was a crap tool because the bottom bent. Well genius, it's made for going into soil, not cutting into rock. If your lawn didn't have pre-emergent herbicides on it from the winter, you can go to www.DoMyOwn.com and get recommendations from their professional staff on which herbicides you can use on certain weeds that will not harm your lawn. Their products cost a little more, but I don't mind paying a little more in trade for the professional help they can provide me. Also look for their 60 episode UA-cam video series where one of their staff that isn't a lawn care professional goes through the steps of fixing his lawn. I loved those because he made a few mistakes along the way and he points them out and tells you how to avoid them. He hides the names of the products he used because he has Bermuda Grass, and what works well on Bermuda Grass may harm other types of turf, so he didn't want people just buying what he used without talking to someone to make sure what they bought would fit their needs. I have Zenith Zoysia and 2, 4D is a great and inexpensive herbicide, and I also put down Quinclorac which is great for killing crabgrass and if I remember correctly, is also a broadleaf weed killer like 2, 4D. I double checked with the Super-Sod guy (3rd generation SOD farmer with 15,000+ acres of Zoysia) and both were safe to put down on newly germinated Zenith Zoysia. If you check into some university studies (I found this out on UA-cam), putting down more than one type of herbicide for a certain type of weed will give you something like 85-95 times better kill rates than just a single type of herbicide. I put this on my new Zoysia lawn before it was established enough to mow the first time with absolutely no harm, and it took out a lot of my weeds and my crabgrass too, and that was only doing half strength. I followed up with the other half of the mix for a split application and it finished off weeds that were not even on the list of controlled weeds, like Sedge. I had several spots of sedge in my newly germinating lawn last fall and the first application really weakened the weed, and the second part of the split application must have finished it off. I mowed for the first time several days later and I did not see any sedge last year or this year. Oh, if you buy the plugging tool, I'd recommend getting a few bags of top soil that has starter fertilizer in it to back fill the holes where you pulled the plugs from so the Zoysia can fill that back in quicker. This link is to a guy that owns a lawn care company in Utah. He has several videos that will help you figure out many different types of lawn issues and this one talks about pre-emergent herbicides, which are the best thing overall for stopping weeds besides having a healthy and full lawn of grass. That's the great thing about Zoysia! As long as you feed it properly and do not put down too much fertilizer, you do yearly core aeration (probably not required the first year), and put down a pre-emergent herbicide in the spring and fall (after the grass has grown in enough and is established), Zoysia will fill in so densely it will choke out many types of weeds. One thing many people do in areas where Zoysia goes dormant is put down annual Rye Grass so there is green growth in the cooler months, but I'm not sure if it gets cold enough in Puerto Rico for Zoysia to really go dormant for long, so your lawn care regime will be a little different because of that. Congratulations on your Zoysia lawn. I've seen many many videos of lawn care professionals and golf course attendants where they have all said they have Zoysia for their own lawn, or they wish that they had the right conditions around their house for Zoysia because they think it is just such an amazing grass.
Thank you so much for all the info..questions does Scott kentucky bluegrass work with tenacity..and can I sprayed tenacity to kill all the weeds and wait till weeds die and then over seeds and then reapply tenacity again..
I love your video, can you give some tips. Can you use tenacity while seeding. Which step I should do first, and after put down tenacity how long to wait before water your lawn again thank you
Hi, I have a question, after your apply for tenacity, are you wait for few hours until it dry then water or you just water the lawn after you right after you apply? Thanks
I use it as a pre-emergent so I water soon after, if I was treating live existing weeds then I’d wait for it to dry and get absorbed through the leaves. 👍🏼
So basically this will suppress the weeds from potentially growing from the compost you used to level and top dress your lawn while not effecting the grass seeds from sprouting that you put down? Can I use this on Bermuda? Great video by the way!!!
Thanks Minh! I’ve never personally used it on bermuda grass but it seems like there is some restrictions, please go to domyown.com for further details.
Great results! I'm very excited to start this process in the next couple of days, since the weather started to change already. I have some areas that need to be level really badly. Question: Should I then spread the seed on top of the soil and then rake it in since I'm gonna go quite heavy with it in some areas?
Technically these steps may be tough to do on a tall st. Augustine lawn as this steps are mainly catered for low to medium cut lawn. Tenacity herbicide also has some limitations with st.aug grass. If you properly mulch your clippings you should be fine. Long clippings will build up and eventually chokes up your lawn.
Hi Jordan, I’m not using any mower on this particular video but I have a couple of mowers, Honda HRR216 rotary mower set to 1” inch, and a cylinder mower Edwin 2.0 by Swardman set to 5/8”.
Per www.domyown.com “... Tenacity herbicide is safe to use in a yard will pets will frequent as long as they are out of the area during the application. They can safely return after the area has dried.” My personal opinion; i’d wait at least 1 week or 7 waterings before I let pets or kids on the lawn. Might be overkill but that’s my opinion and that’s what I do.
Thanks. I didn’t have to, i used it as a pre-emergent. If i was treating live weeds then yes I should have used surfactant. Leftover were used on our front yard.
Hi I purchased a house that has a bunch of weeds, early spring I applied granule weed killer and fertilizer. I live in Virginia. Weed still strong. I had other areas with no grass that I put some seed on it. Right now, these areas have sprouted. Is ok to use tenacity over them?
I’ve used it during seeding so far, i don’t want “shock” those new sprouts with fresh chemicals, I’d wait maybe another week then use Tenacity. My point is by the time my seeds sprouted on the 6-7th day the chemicals aren’t that strong anymore at that point.
Worked awesome for weeds, Thank you, My new seeds seem to be sprouting white instead of green though, Is there something that can be done or is it doom? Thank you for any help.
Whitening is a known side effect of Tenacity, I’ve seen weeds turned white but not so much with my actual bluegrass. It’s possible that you might have went a little heavy on your rate? I think you should be fine, the whitening should go away after a few days.
Tenacity does not harm grass seedlings. So you can apply anytime. That’s the main appeal of Tenacity, it will kill most weeds during seeding but not the grass seeds itself. Just be mindful of the application rate, i go about 1/2 to 2/3 the recommended rate. Note: don’t use on Zoysia, Kikuyu, and Bentgrass.
Just stumbled on your channel. Great stuff. First year I started doing my own lawn work. And first year over seeding Bermuda myself with winter rye in October. Should I follow the same steps. Live in Southern California. Thanks in advance.
Guillermo, as much as I love bermuda I have no experience with it. A lot of people overseed with rye and a lot of people hates it as well. Have you been to thelawnforum.com? I’m pretty sure you’ll find your answer over there. Good luck 👍🏼
No i did not use any growth regulator. (My answer, copied from a similar question).. “Considering that I watered this thing 3 times a day, you’re right this should have been over grown at 17days. I did a “clean up” mow four days in that maybe chopped 1/2 inch off. This bluegrass has compact growth in nature plus i trained it to grow between .5-.75 inch. At this mow height the grass plant itself “mutates”, the grass’s inter-nodes grows so close to each other and that keeps the grass plant from having vertical growth. ....to simplify the answer, the grass plant weren’t growing vertically but rather the grass blades were growing longer and mostly sideways. “
I just bought tenacity with a surfactant and I have about 2000 sq foot backyard that I started working on finally after moving into a new house 1.5 years ago. I must say it was a mess and so far rototilled half so far out of all weeds and used Anderson’s organic fertilizer along with Humic DG and Super Juice with amazing results but my question is can I apply the Tenacity now while new seeds are coming up . I am getting weeds in my new sod with the new germination. Not a lot but some. I was told you need to wait 1 year before using it on new sod and seed. Is this the case? I am putting down tall fescue grass in the northwest Arizona desert and watering nearly 5 to 6 times a day due to extreme drought and high heat. No rain in sight for the next 3 months straight.
Since Tenacity is both pre and post emergent herbicide i’d say you can put it down anytime. BUT not about the new sod rule that you mentioned, you may wanna do a little bit more research, last thing we want is to harm your new sod. Aside from that, seems like you got this whole grass thing down pretty good 👍🏼
I applied my 1'st app of Tenacity 17 day's ago, and the 2'nd app 5 days ago to 10,000 sq ft of tall fescue to control mostly nimblewill, but less of other weeds also. So, far I'm not very impressed, at all. I followed directions, used a surfactant and blue dye. Any suggestions? Thanks John
@@Johnny53kgb-nsa nimblewill took two apps for me to see some real whitening that sticks. I'd give it one more app - I'm doing that on my seeding application. I've also got bentgrass I think.
@@emerickscott I'm starting my 3'rd application to my whole lawn of tall fescue to kill out the nimblewill. I'm starting to see some results from the previous applications, so maybe I just need to be more patient. Good luck with the Bentgrass! JohnG
Not at all, I figured that organic compost that i used should be good enough. I bet you’re excited to use your new toy 🙂👍🏼 what made you go with blue note?
@ShortCut Lawn It seems to do well here in the transition zone. I needed a small amount so I was calling around for a nice KBG cultivar. Hogan Seed was super nice and sold me 5lbs for a good price compared to SSS.
Just regular ferts from the big box store when needed. My favorite is Green Max by Scotts. Also got some N-ext products but I haven’t use them this year yet.
Ive been looking into switching to tenacity for my accounts. Right now im using 3 way an barricade for pre-M. Are the rates different for using post vs pre with tenacity?
Go to DoMyOwn.com and look up Tenacity. They have PDF versions of the label, SDS and others for every pesticide I've ever looked up there. They can also help you identify weeds if you come across some that you do not recognize. Great site.
Hot tip! Avoid watering in direct sunlight in middle of day :) The heat and wind will help the evaporation and the watering is less efficient. The magnifying effect from sun-rays hitting the water-droplets will burn your grass, and all the hard work is for nothing. Best time is in the morning or evening.
Surfactant is used on post emergent application so the product will stick to the leaves of the targeted weeds . I applied Tenacity here as a pre-emergent so surfactant is not needed.
No PPE at all? am I naked on this video? I thought I’m wearing shoes, sox, long pants, long sleeves shirt, gloves, mask and hat? I guess I need to wear astronaut suit next time to satisfy your standards 👨🚀
@@ShortCutLawn your normal attire isn't PPE. Don’t take my word for it, go look it up under the manufactures guidelines 😊 At least get yourself a pair of wellie boots, green nitrile glove and a proper spray mask. An old employer of mine didn’t provide the right PPE for me and now I suffer from occupational dermatitis on my hands. I learnt the hard way…. Nice video by the way.
If you’re willing to fund the Proper PPE send it my way, I’ll email you my address. The main thing is to “protect” myself, I could wrap myself in plastic bags but as long as i am “protected” that’s all that matters. I rinse and wash these clothes separately and my yard shoes never enters my home. Well,..nobody’s perfect, one of my tenacity app video I was actually wearing shorts 😬 NOT exactly sure what was I thinking, I didn’t realize it until a viewer pointed it out. I’m with you 100% on protecting ourselves from these chemicals, but it’s the manner of your initial comment (No PPE at all) that got me all fired up. Have a good day 👍🏼
Forgot a key ingredient more important then the blue dye =/ Surfactant which enables it to stick to the grass.
weeds not grass LOL
Thanks for checking out my video 🙏🏼
I didn’t forget, I used Tenacity as a pre-emergent on this video so surfactant is not needed, I didn’t have any live weeds to get rid off.
I just did this yesterday and my neighbors thougt I was coloring my lawn to make it look darker LOL
What a difference! I loved the date by day comparison.
Cool video series. I have a small 10x40 yard so it is pretty easy to pull by hand every coupl3 weeks since I only get weeds in the corners back corners where the wind brings the seeds in and deposits them, the rest of the series I’ve enjoyed.
I use blue die to make my lawn look full and vibrant just before rental inspection they always compliment me on how good the lawns look lol it's just blue die
Before we go to football games we use the same blue dye for our hair.
Just purchased Tenacity today, did not know you can use Tenacity the day after seeding. Was going to use Tenacity first and wait a few weeks before over seeding. This helps me stay within the window of over seeding. Thank you!
You can apply it on the same day, it just got too dark for me to apply it on the day that i seeded.
Great videos... They’re packed with useful info and you’re dominating that lawn
Thanks Thomas 👍🏼
Thanks for sharing.
Please come and do my yard in Indiana . Great video. I'm a first time home owner and have enjoyed these helpful videos. I had no clue of how to treat my yard.
Thanks 🙏🏼 glad you enjoyed the videos. If you have any questions please don’t hesitate to ask.
Randomly stumbled upon your channel...Nice work on that yard!
Thanks 👍🏼
Love it.. I typically also roller in new seeds but this shows it probably doesnt matter quite so much
😎👍🏼 i use a roller too on a new seeding, not so much on overseeding.
@@ShortCutLawn ahh thanks.. 🙂
I use a surfactant to the tank 1 ounce per gallon to help tenacity stink to the weeds.
Yes, but I used it as a pre-emergent on this video so surfactant is not needed.
Actually, you can use other types of herbicides besides Meso/Tenacity when seeding, but since it is safe for your type of grass, it's probably the best choice. I know when I was seeding my Zoysia I bought some Quinclorac (great for crabgrass) and I remember looking at the label (which everybody does, right?), it said it is safe for applying before seeding, during seeding, during germination, on established and even dormant Zoysia awns. My front lawn is Zoysia and it's filling in very nicely this year, but I'm going to redo my back lawn (about 10,000 sq. ft.) and put down some Kentucky Bluegrass so I'll definitely be using Tenacity myself. I don't recall but I think 2, 4D is safe on most turfs during seeding as well. 2, 4D is a great and inexpensive broad leaf herbicide. Most (at least many) herbicides that contain multiple products for a broad spectrum of control have 2, 4D listed as the first active ingredient. One reason is it kills so many types of weeds and another reason is because it is so inexpensive.
Did you put down fertilizer or iron supplements in those two weeks?
Those of you with a small yard like this, consider yourselves lucky.
I lust over bigger lawns but you’re absolutely right, every once in a while I’m very thankful over this very manageable lawn that i have. 👍🏼
@@ShortCutLawn I have a
450 sqft yard
3200 sqft yard
9000 sqft yard
3200 sqft yard
It is too expensive to do everything I want to do year round. So my yards are on a yearly rotation. This year my 450 sqft and one of my 3200sqft yard is getting worked on. That 3200sqft one is FILLED with ruts hidden by st Augustine.
Awesome series....exactly what I intend to do in spring..!! Only extra is to kill off some thick blade weed grass first...any suggestions on a total weedkiller to use which will break down prior to dethatching and seeding...?
Good ‘ol glyphosate will do the trick. I typically apply it 2-3 times in a span of about 2 weeks to completely wipe out everything. I continue to water in between application so I can see any survivors. Technically you can plant seeds same day as your last glyph application, reason is glyphosate has already broken down by the time seeds sprouted. But, I don’t practice this technique, I wait another week before I put the seeds down. 👍🏼
(Wear proper PPE specially when using Glyphosate)
Wait,..looks like you want to save your existing lawn and just kill off some weeds?
Glyphosate will get rid of everything.
@@ShortCutLawn thats just the info to hear.....yes I can spray just the weed sections, I have some blue dye for the weed killer..!! Then deep scarify and then reseed the bald patches and overseed the rest. I'm looking forward to next spring now..!! Did a cut, gentle scarify and autumn treatment today to help the good grass to be healthy as possible for next year. Thanks very much for your reply....much appreciated 👍👍
Nice video and great work!
Wow, your Kentucky bluegrass geminates very fast. I have to wait for a month before I see some action.
I think keeping it watered is the key,..on average i see germination in 6 days.
I would have a landscaping company apply the herbicide.
I use tenacity to rid pesky crabgrass from centipede lawns, it works
Great job!!
Thanks Rebecca 👍🏼
I just hand mixed over 30 tons of clay i pulverized and mixed with compost. Im exhausted. After regrading 20 tons of dirt out.
Great results my friend. I did all the steps except the herbicide part. Wish me luck for a great result like yours.
👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 wishing you all the luck! Just don’t forget proper watering. I’d appreciate a before and after photos? 🙂👍🏼
I love Tenacity, but I cannot use it because it's not safe to use on a Zoysia lawn or I'd have used it on my recently renovated lawn. It's a bummer...it really is a great product. :-/ I did a total renovation including renting a sod cutter and removing 2 inches of soil to lower my lawn, which removed most of the weed seeds too, but I still have some minor weed issues that are coming under control with 2, 4D and Quinclorac. The Goose grass has been removed by hand until it dies off this winter and I can put down some pre-emergent herbicides next year to get the rest under control. Just as a heads up, a lawn care professional told me for best results, you should rotate which pre-emergent you use so you're rotating the type of pre-emergence herbicide every 1-2 years so you do not build up a resistance. I love the transformation you had in just those few weeks. I was cracking up when you pulled out the tiller and used it to mix the top dressing, and like me, you were so excited to get the job going you overlooked cleaning the tiller and weed seeds first. Thank goodness for Tenacity!
Hi and thanks for the message I am from Puerto Rico and I have Zoysia Manila on my lawn I am a super rookie on this but I am trying to find zoysia seeds for overseeding and cannot find them. As a comment they recommended my Basagran for thin leaves and confront for round leaves weeds I applied them a few days ago already seeing the effect on both. I think it will take me a full month to try to see the full results and then planning to cut, detach, aerate, topdress and fertilize wait 2-3 weeks cut and see the results any imput on zoysia will be great. Thanks
@@rondapro Charlie, there are several types of Zoysia grass. There are 3 basic types, and the type from Japan is the only one that can produce seeds, or a hybrid using this Japanese type of Zoysia. I used Zenith Zoysia seed which is SUPER small, but 1 pound of seed can cover 1,000 sq. ft. so it goes a long way. I bought mine off of amazon.com and the vendor was (I think) Super-Sod. Last year they had weather issues and didn't get the seed harvest they expected so I had to buy 3 bags of 2 pound bags of seed for 6 pounds total for my 5,000 sq. ft. front lawn. Bad weather delayed me putting down my seed and it did not establish enough to where I could put down a pre-emergent herbicide to fight off winter weeds so my yard is a mess this year, but what young Zoysia made it though the winter (which was most of it) is already green so I'll be able to use some post-emergent herbicides to fight back those weeds. The Zoysia is already pushing out above ground runners to spread through the rest of the front lawn so 95% of my lawn should be fully covered in Zoysia before our first frost which is usually the last week of October, but I'll be able to put down a pre-emergent and keep 99% of the weeds out. Honestly, I'm still pretty excited with the current growth considering how late I had to put down seed. I do not know how well Zenith Zoysia will mix into your existing Zoysia as some Zoysia has thin blades and others have medium blade so you'd want to make sure the blade thickness is close and the normal color is close if you cannot find the exact seed type you want. Or you can just fertilize normally and allow your existing Zoysia to spread. Your soil test will tell you exactly what fertilizer to put down. I'm due to put down some 16-4-8, but I'm going to put down the 16-4-8+iron because iron is a micro-nutrient that gives your lawn a deeper green. I also suggest seeing if you can find some Milorganite. It has a little nitrogen so be careful how much nitrogen you put on your Zoysia as too much nitrogen can cause thatch problems, but the Milorganite is a great food for a lawn as it is organic matter. If you bag your clippings you'll probably want to put back a little more fertilizer and Milorganite to make up for the material removed by bagging your clippings. If you don't have many weed issues, just mulch the clippings using a good mulching blade. Personally, I'm currently bagging all of my clippings because I want to remove as much weed seed as possible, but once I get my weeds under control I'll stop doing that. I found a lot of great information at "Lawn Care Academy" too. Best of luck!
@@rondapro Charlie, if you are having trouble finding the same seed you put down, just get a soil test if you haven't already, put down the correct fertilizer amounts per the soil test, and allow the Zoysia to spread naturally. My last soil test is telling me to put down X pounds of 16-4-8 per every 1,000 sq. ft.. I'll probably get some 16-4-8+iron as iron pushes a little more green into the grass as a micro-nutrient. I also suggest putting down some Milorganite if you have access to it. Do not put down that much, or adjust the amount of nitrogen you put down to a little lower amount as Milorganite has some nitrogen in it as well. Milorganite is a great organic filler that is not fertilizer heavy that gives plants organic matter to use for growth. It smells, and if you look up how Milorganite is made it will make sense. :0) If you have some spots of dense Zoysia growth you can find a plugging tool on Amazon. I don't have the link, but the one I'm planning on purchasing for the exact same use is green and it has 3 rings you can put around the bottom that stop the plugging tool from going past the desired depth. The bottom of the plugging tool is slightly smaller than the tube above it so they are easy to remove from the tube. It's green...I don't recall much else? I do remember there was a 1 star review that was really dumb that had photos with it where the tool was beat all to crap like he was jumping up and down on it to get it to go into soil that had almost nothing but rocks, and he was saying it was a crap tool because the bottom bent. Well genius, it's made for going into soil, not cutting into rock. If your lawn didn't have pre-emergent herbicides on it from the winter, you can go to www.DoMyOwn.com and get recommendations from their professional staff on which herbicides you can use on certain weeds that will not harm your lawn. Their products cost a little more, but I don't mind paying a little more in trade for the professional help they can provide me. Also look for their 60 episode UA-cam video series where one of their staff that isn't a lawn care professional goes through the steps of fixing his lawn. I loved those because he made a few mistakes along the way and he points them out and tells you how to avoid them. He hides the names of the products he used because he has Bermuda Grass, and what works well on Bermuda Grass may harm other types of turf, so he didn't want people just buying what he used without talking to someone to make sure what they bought would fit their needs. I have Zenith Zoysia and 2, 4D is a great and inexpensive herbicide, and I also put down Quinclorac which is great for killing crabgrass and if I remember correctly, is also a broadleaf weed killer like 2, 4D. I double checked with the Super-Sod guy (3rd generation SOD farmer with 15,000+ acres of Zoysia) and both were safe to put down on newly germinated Zenith Zoysia. If you check into some university studies (I found this out on UA-cam), putting down more than one type of herbicide for a certain type of weed will give you something like 85-95 times better kill rates than just a single type of herbicide. I put this on my new Zoysia lawn before it was established enough to mow the first time with absolutely no harm, and it took out a lot of my weeds and my crabgrass too, and that was only doing half strength. I followed up with the other half of the mix for a split application and it finished off weeds that were not even on the list of controlled weeds, like Sedge. I had several spots of sedge in my newly germinating lawn last fall and the first application really weakened the weed, and the second part of the split application must have finished it off. I mowed for the first time several days later and I did not see any sedge last year or this year. Oh, if you buy the plugging tool, I'd recommend getting a few bags of top soil that has starter fertilizer in it to back fill the holes where you pulled the plugs from so the Zoysia can fill that back in quicker. This link is to a guy that owns a lawn care company in Utah. He has several videos that will help you figure out many different types of lawn issues and this one talks about pre-emergent herbicides, which are the best thing overall for stopping weeds besides having a healthy and full lawn of grass. That's the great thing about Zoysia! As long as you feed it properly and do not put down too much fertilizer, you do yearly core aeration (probably not required the first year), and put down a pre-emergent herbicide in the spring and fall (after the grass has grown in enough and is established), Zoysia will fill in so densely it will choke out many types of weeds. One thing many people do in areas where Zoysia goes dormant is put down annual Rye Grass so there is green growth in the cooler months, but I'm not sure if it gets cold enough in Puerto Rico for Zoysia to really go dormant for long, so your lawn care regime will be a little different because of that. Congratulations on your Zoysia lawn. I've seen many many videos of lawn care professionals and golf course attendants where they have all said they have Zoysia for their own lawn, or they wish that they had the right conditions around their house for Zoysia because they think it is just such an amazing grass.
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Thank you so much for all the info..questions does Scott kentucky bluegrass work with tenacity..and can I sprayed tenacity to kill all the weeds and wait till weeds die and then over seeds and then reapply tenacity again..
I love your video, can you give some tips. Can you use tenacity while seeding. Which step I should do first, and after put down tenacity how long to wait before water your lawn again thank you
Yes, U can do this at the same time.
Did you remember to add a surfactant to that tank?
I didn’t have to, i used it as a pre-emergent. If i was treating live weeds then yes I should have used surfactant.
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Hi, I have a question, after your apply for tenacity, are you wait for few hours until it dry then water or you just water the lawn after you right after you apply? Thanks
I use it as a pre-emergent so I water soon after, if I was treating live existing weeds then I’d wait for it to dry and get absorbed through the leaves. 👍🏼
My lawns is around 600 sq feet , is it still measurable with the provided syringe ?
How has that Chapin held up? Lawn looks fantastic btw.
It did, didn’t have the usual leak that most owners complained about.
So basically this will suppress the weeds from potentially growing from the compost you used to level and top dress your lawn while not effecting the grass seeds from sprouting that you put down? Can I use this on Bermuda? Great video by the way!!!
Thanks Minh! I’ve never personally used it on bermuda grass but it seems like there is some restrictions, please go to domyown.com for further details.
Great results!
I'm very excited to start this process in the next couple of days, since the weather started to change already.
I have some areas that need to be level really badly.
Question: Should I then spread the seed on top of the soil and then rake it in since I'm gonna go quite heavy with it in some areas?
Yes that’ll work, to increase your chance of early germination cover those areas with a thin layer of peat moss 👍🏼
@@ShortCutLawn thanks a lot!
Does the dye stain the concrete and pavers?
Would all these steps help out for St Augustine here in Texas? Also, does bagging while mowing prevent from having to dethatch your lawn?
Technically these steps may be tough to do on a tall st. Augustine lawn as this steps are mainly catered for low to medium cut lawn. Tenacity herbicide also has some limitations with st.aug grass. If you properly mulch your clippings you should be fine. Long clippings will build up and eventually chokes up your lawn.
After overseeing you don't mow the grass until the seeds fully sprout correct?
Yes, that’s correct.
What kind of herbicide can use to bermuda grass?please help me if you know.texas
Hi do you happen to know the song playing during your video...we like it...thanks
that is do you know the name of the song at the video's beginning to half way through the video
what kind of mower are you using on this, what length is the cut. Looks really nice!
Hi Jordan, I’m not using any mower on this particular video but I have a couple of mowers, Honda HRR216 rotary mower set to 1” inch, and a cylinder mower Edwin 2.0 by Swardman set to 5/8”.
Hell of a place to store your backpack on your kids bicycle you know that probably has residues on it right.
Keep up the good work
I’ve heard that Tenacity stuff works well, but it’s way too expensive.
Yes it works great but yeah you’re right it’s a bit expensive $103/8oz
ShortCut Lawn I just saw it on Amazon for $69.00 go get some.👍🏼
ShortCut Lawn $65 on domyown.com
I apologize,..not sure why I said $103 , I paid $65.53 @ domyown.com
What are your thoughts on using Tenacity with a dog that runs in the yard.
Per www.domyown.com
“... Tenacity herbicide is safe to use in a yard will pets will frequent as long as they are out of the area during the application. They can safely return after the area has dried.”
My personal opinion; i’d wait at least 1 week or 7 waterings before I let pets or kids on the lawn.
Might be overkill but that’s my opinion and that’s what I do.
ShortCut Lawn Thanks.
Very nice! Did you add surfactant to your mix? Also what do you do with the leftover tenacity in your backpack container?
Thanks. I didn’t have to, i used it as a pre-emergent. If i was treating live weeds then yes I should have used surfactant. Leftover were used on our front yard.
Hi I purchased a house that has a bunch of weeds, early spring I applied granule weed killer and fertilizer. I live in Virginia. Weed still strong. I had other areas with no grass that I put some seed on it. Right now, these areas have sprouted. Is ok to use tenacity over them?
I’ve used it during seeding so far, i don’t want “shock” those new sprouts with fresh chemicals, I’d wait maybe another week then use Tenacity. My point is by the time my seeds sprouted on the 6-7th day the chemicals aren’t that strong anymore at that point.
Worked awesome for weeds, Thank you, My new seeds seem to be sprouting white instead of green though, Is there something that can be done or is it doom? Thank you for any help.
I assume you’re talking about Tenacity?
@@ShortCutLawn yes, I also did use scouts starter + weed control
Whitening is a known side effect of Tenacity, I’ve seen weeds turned white but not so much with my actual bluegrass. It’s possible that you might have went a little heavy on your rate? I think you should be fine, the whitening should go away after a few days.
According to the Tenacity label, it's expected for seedlings to come up white but will regain color after some time. You should be okay...
Hey, I apply tenacity to my lawn to kill the weeds but now the weeds have turn white what should I do next?
Reapply Tenacity 2-3weeks after the first application. Leave the weeds alone to die, do not pull them off.
After applying Tenacity how long should I wait to re-sead? Does anyone know?
Tenacity does not harm grass seedlings. So you can apply anytime.
That’s the main appeal of Tenacity, it will kill most weeds during seeding but not the grass seeds itself.
Just be mindful of the application rate, i go about 1/2 to 2/3 the recommended rate.
Note: don’t use on Zoysia, Kikuyu, and Bentgrass.
@@ShortCutLawn thankyou so much. I just applied this today, cant wait to see results lol
Just stumbled on your channel. Great stuff. First year I started doing my own lawn work. And first year over seeding Bermuda myself with winter rye in October. Should I follow the same steps. Live in Southern California. Thanks in advance.
Guillermo, as much as I love bermuda I have no experience with it. A lot of people overseed with rye and a lot of people hates it as well.
Have you been to thelawnforum.com? I’m pretty sure you’ll find your answer over there.
Good luck 👍🏼
Thank you!
did you spray a growth inhibitor? Otherwise I don't get how your lawn can barely have grown in height in two weeks.
No i did not use any growth regulator.
(My answer, copied from a similar question)..
“Considering that I watered this thing 3 times a day, you’re right this should have been over grown at 17days. I did a “clean up” mow four days in that maybe chopped 1/2 inch off. This bluegrass has compact growth in nature plus i trained it to grow between .5-.75 inch. At this mow height the grass plant itself “mutates”, the grass’s inter-nodes grows so close to each other and that keeps the grass plant from having vertical growth.
....to simplify the answer, the grass plant weren’t growing vertically but rather the grass blades were growing longer and mostly sideways. “
@@ShortCutLawn thanks! that's great
how come you don't do this stuff in the fall instead? i keep reading that fall is the time for dethatching
detatching can really be done anytime. if you have a lot of thatch build up, better to get it up sooner than waiting until the fall.
Did you overseed in the spring in this video
This was from spring last year and yes I overseeded then, this year no.
How does it work on Dallisgrass???
I just bought tenacity with a surfactant and I have about 2000 sq foot backyard that I started working on finally after moving into a new house 1.5 years ago. I must say it was a mess and so far rototilled half so far out of all weeds and used Anderson’s organic fertilizer along with Humic DG and Super Juice with amazing results but my question is can I apply the Tenacity now while new seeds are coming up . I am getting weeds in my new sod with the new germination. Not a lot but some. I was told you need to wait 1 year before using it on new sod and seed. Is this the case? I am putting down tall fescue grass in the northwest Arizona desert and watering nearly 5 to 6 times a day due to extreme drought and high heat. No rain in sight for the next 3 months straight.
Since Tenacity is both pre and post emergent herbicide i’d say you can put it down anytime. BUT not about the new sod rule that you mentioned, you may wanna do a little bit more research, last thing we want is to harm your new sod. Aside from that, seems like you got this whole grass thing down pretty good 👍🏼
I applied my 1'st app of Tenacity 17 day's ago, and the 2'nd app 5 days ago to 10,000 sq ft of tall fescue to control mostly nimblewill, but less of other weeds also. So, far I'm not very impressed, at all. I followed directions, used a surfactant and blue dye. Any suggestions? Thanks John
Nimblewill not responding at all to Tenacity?
@@ShortCutLawn No I haven't seen much response yet.I sprayed two complete apps so far.
@@Johnny53kgb-nsa nimblewill took two apps for me to see some real whitening that sticks. I'd give it one more app - I'm doing that on my seeding application. I've also got bentgrass I think.
@@emerickscott I'm starting my 3'rd application to my whole lawn of tall fescue to kill out the nimblewill. I'm starting to see some results from the previous applications, so maybe I just need to be more patient. Good luck with the Bentgrass! JohnG
Did you fertilize at all after overseeding? Got my SunJoe today and some BlueNote seed as well.
Not at all, I figured that organic compost that i used should be good enough. I bet you’re excited to use your new toy 🙂👍🏼 what made you go with blue note?
@ShortCut Lawn It seems to do well here in the transition zone. I needed a small amount so I was calling around for a nice KBG cultivar. Hogan Seed was super nice and sold me 5lbs for a good price compared to SSS.
Loved the transformation...what would you say was the cost per sq feet?
About $.09/sq.ft not including the cost of the Sun Joe dethatcher.
@@ShortCutLawn Thanks
Nice transformation!! What are you using for fertilization?
Just regular ferts from the big box store when needed. My favorite is Green Max by Scotts. Also got some N-ext products but I haven’t use them this year yet.
@@ShortCutLawn Thanks ShortCut Lawn thats some amazing work thanks for the fert info.
What kind of grass do you have?
Kentucky Bluegrass.
You forgot surfactant.
I was using it as a Pre-emergent, surfactant is used when you’re dealing with live existing weeds.
@@ShortCutLawn What type of grasses are they?
It’s Kentucky bluegrass with a little bit of rye.
@@ShortCutLawn Looks good. :)
Ive been looking into switching to tenacity for my accounts. Right now im using 3 way an barricade for pre-M. Are the rates different for using post vs pre with tenacity?
Go to DoMyOwn.com and look up Tenacity. They have PDF versions of the label, SDS and others for every pesticide I've ever looked up there. They can also help you identify weeds if you come across some that you do not recognize. Great site.
Sorry for the spelling, Herbicide=Herbecide, Herbecide=Herbicide 😁
Hot tip! Avoid watering in direct sunlight in middle of day :) The heat and wind will help the evaporation and the watering is less efficient. The magnifying effect from sun-rays hitting the water-droplets will burn your grass, and all the hard work is for nothing. Best time is in the morning or evening.
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He didn't use a surfactant smh.
Surfactant is used on post emergent application so the product will stick to the leaves of the targeted weeds . I applied Tenacity here as a pre-emergent so surfactant is not needed.
No PPE at all. You need to have more respect for the chemicals you are using
No PPE at all? am I naked on this video? I thought I’m wearing shoes, sox, long pants, long sleeves shirt, gloves, mask and hat? I guess I need to wear astronaut suit next time to satisfy your standards 👨🚀
@@ShortCutLawn your normal attire isn't PPE. Don’t take my word for it, go look it up under the manufactures guidelines 😊
At least get yourself a pair of wellie boots, green nitrile glove and a proper spray mask. An old employer of mine didn’t provide the right PPE for me and now I suffer from occupational dermatitis on my hands. I learnt the hard way….
Nice video by the way.
If you’re willing to fund the Proper PPE send it my way, I’ll email you my address. The main thing is to “protect” myself, I could wrap myself in plastic bags but as long as i am “protected” that’s all that matters. I rinse and wash these clothes separately and my yard shoes never enters my home. Well,..nobody’s perfect, one of my tenacity app video I was actually wearing shorts 😬 NOT exactly sure what was I thinking, I didn’t realize it until a viewer pointed it out. I’m with you 100% on protecting ourselves from these chemicals, but it’s the manner of your initial comment (No PPE at all) that got me all fired up. Have a good day 👍🏼
@@ShortCutLawn haha apologies, at Least I got your attention 🙈😁🤦♂️🤪
Electronic music sucks. Enjoyed the video otherwise.