HI Petr! I have a CL and a TL2 with an 18 mm and a 11-22 mm zoom and 56 sigma 1.4. with this 3 lenses i am so happy. The cameras are a bit difficult to learn how to used at the beginning , especially for a Canon user like me. But after a year i am really happy about the 2 cameras , light , sturdy and a fantastic sense of being part of a myth. File are amazing . I highly recommend to shot 1600 iso , it release a typical laica grain! Enjoy life Petr!
Hey Mauro, that 11-22m is on my list - heard only good things about that lens! TL2 must be fun with the 18mm pancake, hmm... and I will try that Leica grain at ISO 1600 - thanks for the tip! Cheers :)
Thank you for this video. I used to have a SL2-S beside my Q2 and needed to sell it as of problems with my shoulder, I need to work with a light equipment. Since then I have the CL and appreciate this solid camera especially for its high quality and a great menustructure just as with the SL and Q2. Since I had many cameras in my life I find the CL to be one of the best, much underrated as many people hunt behind big sensors and megapixels. Sure, thats fine, but not essential unless you print A1 or bigger. I had some appreciations and mastershots at LFI and 1x and there is no difference, if the sensor is APS-C or full frame.
I agree with you completely! CL is such an underrated camera and I only hope that Sigma/Panasonic will make a L-mount APS-C camera body that I can use with my TL lenses in future.
The Leica CL is the smallest Leica with the option to use zoom lenses. The user experience is similar to the other digital Leica’s. I own a Leica CL, M10 and SL. But the CL is small and amazing. And comparing the CL with Fuji’s, I own a X-E3, X-H1 and X-Pro 2, the Leica has less clutter and makes even more amazing pictures out of the box
Hi. You sound pretty sure a CL2 is coming - do you think that's likely? With IBSC and a better viewfinder and a small joystick maybe like SL2. That would be amazing. Do you think it will come?
I honestly think Leica CL has the best controls ever. It’s just two simple dials for the three photography essentials: aperture, shutter speed, and ISO, nothing more.
I've been using the the Cl for about three years and I thinks it's great. Its got a and easy to use menu system and it's light weight. Rather than a CL2 what I would really like is longer zoom that the 55-135 that's now available that is sized for APS-C. Yes there full frame L mount zooms available from Lumix and Sigma but they are unnecessarily heavy if you plan on sticking to the APS-C format.
I think we can expect Sigma to release more L-mount APC lenses. I would not bet on Leica bringing longer TL lenses than what's on offer now. Still the CL is great, I agree.
Really want to like this CL, put it into shopping cart many times and deleted many times. But can’t justify the price in comparison to the twin brother wearing Japanese brand. I ended up bought a Q2 instead, it’s full frame, faster lens and bigger sensor for similar price.
I’d really love a CL, but my trusty Sony RX1 still fulfills my need when I’m not carrying my SL2-S, and the RX1 is full frame with that sweet Zeiss glass.
One disappointing thing about the CL is that Leica decided to remove the digital distance scale, which appears on the TL/TL2. This takes away the option to do some easy zone focusing with e.g. the 18mm.
@@PetrGardianTVBecause there is a risk that it would have adversely affected the sales of their digital Ms. I came across a rumour that there will not be a Leica CL2 as they want to exclusively make Full-Frame cameras; however there will be a digital Leica M without the rangefinder focusing, it will be a Mirrorless M.
@@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO Unfortunately, crop sensor is not 'luxury enough' and that is what Leica has become - a luxury brand. It makes sense - you can charge more with bigger margins but it takes away these niche systems like TL2/CL which is a shame. Maybe Sigma will come up with a high megapixel FF camera with EVF based on fp L - such things would allow us to continue using the great Leica L-mount APS-c lenses on modern body.
Hello, Petr, thanks for your review. Could you please comment / advise about the lack of IBIS. It doesn't seem a problem for you, do you have a work round? Gerry
Hi Gerry, IBIS for me is really only crucial for handheld video. For stills the current camera sensors are so good at high ISO that I can always dial it up and keep (relatively) fast shutter speed.
I am new to the world of photography and have been clicking photographs until now on my smartphone. I want to start clicking photographs using a proper camera. Please suggest which one should I purchase.
Fuji X100V - if you can find it. Fuji X-E4 with the new 27mm f2.8 lens - if you want to spend a little bit less. Used Fuji X-E3 with any lens - if you are on budget. Good luck!
thanks for the video. Is it true that the Leica CL has much better colors than the Fujifilm t3? I heard that Leica TL (16Mp) has even better color. Don't you know about it? Share your experience. I want to buy Leica TL based on this idea. Sincerely, Vladimir.
Fuji colours are different from Leica indeed. You can check my comparison between Leica and Fuji 23mm lenses - those were used on the CL and X-PRO 3 - it;'ll give you an idea of the colours. The CL has the classic more saturated Leica colours, which some prefer (me included). In general I do find RAW files from CL easier to work with than from any Fuji camera, the Leica files need less work as well and often don't need anything to be done to them. I can't comment on 16mp TL colours but if it was me I'd go for the TL2, which has same sensor as CL and is miles ahead of T/TL in speed and performance. Hope this helps!
@@PetrGardianTV thanks, I'm thinking of buying a leica CL already. Your answer was very important to me. Did you know that there is a close focus adapter for this system that gives full life to leica M,R optics.
Decisions, decisions. I have to say that as a single body Fuji XT-2 owner, I've been contemplating and scouting my options for a second camera body - being rather curious in regards to a range-finder *style* body - Naturally the Xpro-3 is a natural consideration but this Leica CL from 2017 has my piqued my attention for obvious reasons. It seems like a reasonable entry point into the mystical world of Leica and the lens ecosystem seems far and broad - Plus last but not least, being a Fuji guy, I'm not easily impressed by other manufacturer's out of camera Jpeg efforts. The Leica CL seems to be rather outstanding on the Jpeg front for someone who doesn't care for RAW processing.
I don't shoot SOOC jpegs with my CL but am happy to hear they can be good. If I was buying the CL now, I'd get just the body and then some Sigma lenses. It makes perfect sense and my bank account would be in better shape :)
@@PetrGardianTVSilly question - am I wrong by saying most Sigma lenses have no manual aperture rings? Big no-no for me if that is mostly the case! I prefer full manual operation. I take it the two top CL dials can be set to left dial/shutter speed & right dial/ISO via the menu Petr?- if so, it sounds like perfection to me..
Sigma DG DN full frame primes have aperture rings. The dials on CL can be setup however you want - I keep it as from factory (exp. comp. and aperture) but we are all different :)
@@jorgeperello6049 Thank you, glad to hear that! Keep you Fuji 1.4 then and maybe get some old Leica M-mount lens to try on your X-PRO 2 (with adapter). If you like the experience you can try the same with Leica CL.
I haven't tried it myself but have heard it's the best lens out of the Sigma APS-C trio. The 16/1.4 is great on my Canon M50 and 30/1.4 was very good on my CL (I have reviews of both on the channel). So if the 56/1.4 is even better it will be a great fit for CL (if that FL is what you like and use).
@@heinemans thank you, i already have it. great channell, can you do more with the cl_ please. do you have the sigma 18 50 2.8_ compare with the leica 18 56 thank you
There is only one real Leica -- film M series. This digital thing is just a gimmick which like all digital will be soon forgotten. I see no real reason to buy that instead of anything from Fuji, Canon or Nikon. Maybe only just from curiosity? Yes -- build quality is nice, controls are well though out and unique, overall picture quality is also good. But overall? This is not an M camera with a long list of modern or vintage lenses, with unique style of shooting -- it's just same as using any other digital.
Sorry but I have to disagree. The build quality is far better than nice, picture quality is far better than good and you can use all of the M glass, with the Leica adapter. I have Leica and Nikon bodies and glass and the CL is by far my favourite camera.
It's difficult to compare film and digital cameras. I could agree with you if you said 'the only real Leica is the M series (regardless if digital or film) but I am actually happy Leica decided to keep up with other camera makers and are offering such a wide variety of products that are all really good. CL included.
Hello. You sound pretty sure a CL2 is coming - do you think that's likely? With IBSC and a better viewfinder and a small joystick maybe like SL2. That would be amazing. Do you think it will come?
Hi Kim, based on rumours I've seen online it is likely we will see it before end of this year or it will be at least announced. There is M11 coming in November so the same event may be used to show off CL2 as well. Leica need to keep the APS-C system alive and it's been 4 years since the CL was released. Fingers crossed for CL2! :)
HI Petr!
I have a CL and a TL2 with an 18 mm and a 11-22 mm zoom and 56 sigma 1.4. with this 3 lenses i am so happy.
The cameras are a bit difficult to learn how to used at the beginning , especially for a Canon user like me. But after a year i am really happy about the 2 cameras , light , sturdy and a fantastic sense of being part of a myth. File are amazing . I highly recommend to shot 1600 iso , it release a typical laica grain! Enjoy life Petr!
Hey Mauro, that 11-22m is on my list - heard only good things about that lens! TL2 must be fun with the 18mm pancake, hmm... and I will try that Leica grain at ISO 1600 - thanks for the tip! Cheers :)
Thank you for this video. I used to have a SL2-S beside my Q2 and needed to sell it as of problems with my shoulder, I need to work with a light equipment. Since then I have the CL and appreciate this solid camera especially for its high quality and a great menustructure just as with the SL and Q2. Since I had many cameras in my life I find the CL to be one of the best, much underrated as many people hunt behind big sensors and megapixels. Sure, thats fine, but not essential unless you print A1 or bigger. I had some appreciations and mastershots at LFI and 1x and there is no difference, if the sensor is APS-C or full frame.
I agree with you completely! CL is such an underrated camera and I only hope that Sigma/Panasonic will make a L-mount APS-C camera body that I can use with my TL lenses in future.
The Leica CL is the smallest Leica with the option to use zoom lenses. The user experience is similar to the other digital Leica’s. I own a Leica CL, M10 and SL. But the CL is small and amazing. And comparing the CL with Fuji’s, I own a X-E3, X-H1 and X-Pro 2, the Leica has less clutter and makes even more amazing pictures out of the box
Thank you for sharing your experience with the small but mighty Leica CL :) It does produce excellent images.
There’s also leica TL
Hi. You sound pretty sure a CL2 is coming - do you think that's likely? With IBSC and a better viewfinder and a small joystick maybe like SL2. That would be amazing. Do you think it will come?
I honestly think Leica CL has the best controls ever. It’s just two simple dials for the three photography essentials: aperture, shutter speed, and ISO, nothing more.
Yes, genius controls but sadly often misunderstood.
I've been using the the Cl for about three years and I thinks it's great. Its got a and easy to use menu system and it's light weight. Rather than a CL2 what I would really like is longer zoom that the 55-135 that's now available that is sized for APS-C. Yes there full frame L mount zooms available from Lumix and Sigma but they are unnecessarily heavy if you plan on sticking to the APS-C format.
I think we can expect Sigma to release more L-mount APC lenses. I would not bet on Leica bringing longer TL lenses than what's on offer now. Still the CL is great, I agree.
Really want to like this CL, put it into shopping cart many times and deleted many times. But can’t justify the price in comparison to the twin brother wearing Japanese brand. I ended up bought a Q2 instead, it’s full frame, faster lens and bigger sensor for similar price.
What Japanese twin brother do you mean? Q2 is a fantastic camera - one I lust over, lol :)
I’d really love a CL, but my trusty Sony RX1 still fulfills my need when I’m not carrying my SL2-S, and the RX1 is full frame with that sweet Zeiss glass.
I keep eyeing used RX1s on eBay. Tempting... :)
great channell, can you do more with the cl please, maybe the 18 50 sigma 2.8, thanks
Thank you! I'm trying to get my hands on the Sigma zoom so a review and comparison to other options is in pipeline. More Leica CL videos as well.
@@PetrGardianTV Thank you very much, I have seen each video several times, God bless you, a hug
@@carlosriveros3039 Many thanks! Much appreciate your support.
One disappointing thing about the CL is that Leica decided to remove the digital distance scale, which appears on the TL/TL2. This takes away the option to do some easy zone focusing with e.g. the 18mm.
Good point, thank you. I wonder what was the reason for it.
@@PetrGardianTVBecause there is a risk that it would have adversely affected the sales of their digital Ms. I came across a rumour that there will not be a Leica CL2 as they want to exclusively make Full-Frame cameras; however there will be a digital Leica M without the rangefinder focusing, it will be a Mirrorless M.
@@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO Unfortunately, crop sensor is not 'luxury enough' and that is what Leica has become - a luxury brand. It makes sense - you can charge more with bigger margins but it takes away these niche systems like TL2/CL which is a shame.
Maybe Sigma will come up with a high megapixel FF camera with EVF based on fp L - such things would allow us to continue using the great Leica L-mount APS-c lenses on modern body.
Hello, Petr, thanks for your review. Could you please comment / advise about the lack of IBIS. It doesn't seem a problem for you, do you have a work round? Gerry
Hi Gerry, IBIS for me is really only crucial for handheld video. For stills the current camera sensors are so good at high ISO that I can always dial it up and keep (relatively) fast shutter speed.
I am new to the world of photography and have been clicking photographs until now on my smartphone.
I want to start clicking photographs using a proper camera.
Please suggest which one should I purchase.
Fuji X100V - if you can find it.
Fuji X-E4 with the new 27mm f2.8 lens - if you want to spend a little bit less.
Used Fuji X-E3 with any lens - if you are on budget.
Good luck!
@@PetrGardianTV thank you for the suggestion.
thanks for the video. Is it true that the Leica CL has much better colors than the Fujifilm t3? I heard that Leica TL (16Mp) has even better color. Don't you know about it? Share your experience. I want to buy Leica TL based on this idea. Sincerely, Vladimir.
Fuji colours are different from Leica indeed. You can check my comparison between Leica and Fuji 23mm lenses - those were used on the CL and X-PRO 3 - it;'ll give you an idea of the colours. The CL has the classic more saturated Leica colours, which some prefer (me included). In general I do find RAW files from CL easier to work with than from any Fuji camera, the Leica files need less work as well and often don't need anything to be done to them.
I can't comment on 16mp TL colours but if it was me I'd go for the TL2, which has same sensor as CL and is miles ahead of T/TL in speed and performance. Hope this helps!
@@PetrGardianTV thanks, I'm thinking of buying a leica CL already. Your answer was very important to me. Did you know that there is a close focus adapter for this system that gives full life to leica M,R optics.
@@100knife You will be happy with the CL. I didn't know about the adapter - who makes it?
@@PetrGardianTV Thanks for your help, nice to meet you.
Sincerely, Vladimir.
@@PetrGardianTV I sent you a link in a message, but .... If needed, I can email you a link.
Coming from a Leica X1 user!!! CL now is so expensive
Yes, the used price hit the bottom and keeps rising.
Hi, just bought it used. So far so good
Great to hear! You will not be disappointed :)
I bought a used CL film camera from KEH and got totally dissapointed by it, I sent it back and will stick with my old Nikon .
Understand, it's not for everyone.
@@PetrGardianTV Well It was not so much the camera itself but the service from where I bought it.
Thank you for the video!
You're welcome :) Glad you liked it!
If cl2 put a microphone and a flip up screen I’d have it…
That would be something!
Decisions, decisions. I have to say that as a single body Fuji XT-2 owner, I've been contemplating and scouting my options for a second camera body - being rather curious in regards to a range-finder *style* body - Naturally the Xpro-3 is a natural consideration but this Leica CL from 2017 has my piqued my attention for obvious reasons. It seems like a reasonable entry point into the mystical world of Leica and the lens ecosystem seems far and broad - Plus last but not least, being a Fuji guy, I'm not easily impressed by other manufacturer's out of camera Jpeg efforts. The Leica CL seems to be rather outstanding on the Jpeg front for someone who doesn't care for RAW processing.
I don't shoot SOOC jpegs with my CL but am happy to hear they can be good. If I was buying the CL now, I'd get just the body and then some Sigma lenses. It makes perfect sense and my bank account would be in better shape :)
@@PetrGardianTVSilly question - am I wrong by saying most Sigma lenses have no manual aperture rings? Big no-no for me if that is mostly the case! I prefer full manual operation. I take it the two top CL dials can be set to left dial/shutter speed & right dial/ISO via the menu Petr?- if so, it sounds like perfection to me..
@@PetrGardianTV Still you're right - even though my local camera guy is beyond good to me when I visit. Native Leica glass' is crazy money.
Sigma DG DN full frame primes have aperture rings. The dials on CL can be setup however you want - I keep it as from factory (exp. comp. and aperture) but we are all different :)
Yes, but sometimes it 'makes sense' when buying in used market.
great, can yo do more with the cl please
Thank you! Yes, I have more videos about CL in the pipeline.
Si tengo la x pro2 vale la pena el cambio por esta?? El tamaño y diseño de la cl me encanta
Depende de las lentes que tenga para la X-PRO 2. Pruebe las nuevas lentes fijas Fuji XF f1.4 antes de gastar mucho más en Leica.
@@PetrGardianTV muchas gracias… me encantan tus vídeos. Tengo las 1.4 antiguas
@@jorgeperello6049 Thank you, glad to hear that! Keep you Fuji 1.4 then and maybe get some old Leica M-mount lens to try on your X-PRO 2 (with adapter). If you like the experience you can try the same with Leica CL.
@@PetrGardianTV thanks..
what do you think about the sigma 56 mm and the cl_
I haven't tried it myself but have heard it's the best lens out of the Sigma APS-C trio. The 16/1.4 is great on my Canon M50 and 30/1.4 was very good on my CL (I have reviews of both on the channel). So if the 56/1.4 is even better it will be a great fit for CL (if that FL is what you like and use).
@@heinemans Thanks for the offer, but one is too wide and the other too long for my usual needs.
@@heinemans thank you, i already have it. great channell, can you do more with the cl_ please. do you have the sigma 18 50 2.8_ compare with the leica 18 56 thank you
Thanks for the video
I'm glad you liked it!
Is there any way to setup back button focus on this camera?
No, not that I know of.
I heard that leica háð said no more APC cameras
That's correct.
I want one of those trade my M5 with lens for one of those
You should be able to sell your M5 and get the CL for not much more $$$.
Sunny days .i see.G leica ', and sl2 .done well .than cl .
We need a floppy screen and A mic Adaptor ibis….and boom…
That would be a CL2 :) Imagine...
everything leica makes is made by Panasonic since they have a very big partnership
And that's why Leica M series cameras are hand assembled in Germany.
There is only one real Leica -- film M series. This digital thing is just a gimmick which like all digital will be soon forgotten. I see no real reason to buy that instead of anything from Fuji, Canon or Nikon. Maybe only just from curiosity? Yes -- build quality is nice, controls are well though out and unique, overall picture quality is also good. But overall? This is not an M camera with a long list of modern or vintage lenses, with unique style of shooting -- it's just same as using any other digital.
Sorry but I have to disagree. The build quality is far better than nice, picture quality is far better than good and you can use all of the M glass, with the Leica adapter. I have Leica and Nikon bodies and glass and the CL is by far my favourite camera.
@@petere7396 Peter, enjoy your new camera -- that the most important! Wish you to make great pictures with it and share with us!
It's difficult to compare film and digital cameras. I could agree with you if you said 'the only real Leica is the M series (regardless if digital or film) but I am actually happy Leica decided to keep up with other camera makers and are offering such a wide variety of products that are all really good. CL included.
Glad to hear you like your CL. My M to L adapter is on its way so next is the manual glass experience :)
Odd thing to say, since the Leica M10 is also digital, and any of its M lenses will work fine on this CL.
An over-priced Panasonic built camera with no image stabilisation or tilt screen.
Maybe! But it's still a very good camera that's enojyable to use.
Hello. You sound pretty sure a CL2 is coming - do you think that's likely? With IBSC and a better viewfinder and a small joystick maybe like SL2. That would be amazing. Do you think it will come?
Hi Kim, based on rumours I've seen online it is likely we will see it before end of this year or it will be at least announced. There is M11 coming in November so the same event may be used to show off CL2 as well. Leica need to keep the APS-C system alive and it's been 4 years since the CL was released. Fingers crossed for CL2! :)
CL lines Discontinued now?!
@@gentle.explorer yes :’’(